Conscription/Draft
Does your country have it? How do you feel about it? How does it differ between sexes (IE some countries, women have no responsibility, others, women have to go into social service for the same period).
For example, in the US, 18 year olds have to register for the draft, but there hasn't been one (except a backdoor draft) since Vietnam. In Korea, all males are required to go into military service for about two years. Women have no such responsiblity. If I remember correctly, France doesn't have a draft anymore, but our parents generation had to serve in the army for a time and women had to do an equally long period of civil service.
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Not everyone can be a soldier, but that doesn't mean not everyone can contribute. What is wrong with the draft? I think men and women should both serve our country.
I don't feel strongly one way or the other. But, if I had to choose, I would pick mandatory service of some sort. There are negatives to every situation, but overall I think it's better to have a draft.
Israel has the sexiest military.
I don't really like the draft and my country has it. I think if were gonna have the draft both male and females should sign up, not just men.
Conscription shouldn't exist.
If it does exist then discriminating against women by trying to 'protect' them from war and implying they arent capable enough is dumb, and men, women, and non binary folks should all have to sign up.
It's bullshit that I can get drafted but a women with a higher physical level then me can't.
I don't fucking care what your excuse is, unless it's like a disability or something like that.
I do think it should never be totally eliminated. These things are a fail-safe, God forbid when they're activated.
I agree about the women part, but,
The draft is very strange, because it's not about age or physical ability, oftentimes its about potential contribution to the economy. The age for draft registration is 18; I'm 26 and though I'm just as fit as an 18 (at least age-wise, I'm a fatass, but that's not age exclusive) I'm one of the last people to be drafted. And, if memory serves me correctly, the draft age only goes up to 28. People that age and older are phsycially fit to be soldiers, but the point is that at that age you are productive enough that you have more economic value as a working adult than as an overseas soldier. Same reason people in college got deferrals in Vietnam.
I'd go back if they asked me to.
Frankly given the unstabability of the world, lowering world resources, increasing population its only a matter of time till another world war.... It always happens humans keep increasing until a big disaster regulates them again, disease used to be enough now it takes war. Its inevitable and I'm top of the list if it happens
In another fifty Years America will have Terminators, so at that point its GG for 3rd world countries that get in America's way. Technology is moving so fast its almost scary.
Here's another thing - would having a draft help prevent war? Specifically, would Americans had pushed back harder against going into Afghanistan and especially Iraq if most of them felt like there was a chance they would have to go? Would there have been more push back against staying, as there was in Vietnam?
México does have a system in place and every citizen is "required" to do military service, however it isn't really enforced and it's super easy to avoid, if you do it it's because you chose to, really, I think this is probably for the best considering the rocky relationship between the government and it's people, mostly due to rampantly cynical corruption that they don't even try to hide.
In any case what do I think about it?
If there was a war and I was drafted I would not want to go, so I guess I'm against it because I wouldn't want to be forced to that.
Of course my political situation is much more different from you guys so whatever, I'd be more likely to side with rebels than the government though I don't think I'd participate in a war, specially considering México's history, sure the "good" guys will win but just like in all previous occassions they will get betrayed and in the end it'll be people with completely different political ideologies that actually end up in power, I guess I've just run out of hope or something.
Added this to my list of copypastas. Thanks.
I heard there was a Isis base destroyed a few days ago in Mexico.
I don't think that ever happened, I never heard anything about this before and there are no news talking about it and I can't even find it on the Interenet, which considering you claim this to be recent then it would be extremely easy to find.
Is that like the 'prayer rug' they found on the border that turned out to be a balled up sweatshirt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H2wbPKNMQI
Yes, we have it. Our population isn't huge, and we need all the manpower the army can get.
They send you to aptitude tests, health exams and a "job interview" at 16, mine are all coming up next month, and the date most join is at 18, when we graduate (more or less).
I think it depends on how much your country needs it, we need it more than any country I can think of right now, since the army here is basically made up of people like us. I don't resent it, and I'll try to make the best of it, do something I like.
Everyone has to sign up in my country, men and women. Also women can join the ground troops just like men, but it's less common. They can basically have every part a man could have in the military.
lmfao
I gotta give credit to Israel. Bunch of bad asses when it comes to war.
Killing hundreds of children is badass?
All militaries so eager for war they bomb UN shelters are gross.
I can't think of one military in the whole of the middle east that isn't gross. Maybe Jordan, they do a relatively good job of not committing war crimes.
Oh and turkey, if that counts.
What?
Yeah but isn't that because they need the extra firepower, rather than being actual moral progress?
Partly, but a decent amount of girls end up wanting to do the small jobs (secretaries, education) or humanitarian aid like the one that is in Nepal as we speak. They have everyone join because they need us, but at least women are being mixed into everything and aren't brainwashed that they can't do it :P
Yes, but the cost of that is being brainwashed into thinking conscription is okay.
I personally value freedom from war over freedom from sexism, but they#re both reasonably big issues.
I fucking hate it when I hit the like button and not the reply.
Besides the fact that using the word 'gross' in a conversation about war and alleged killing of children and bombing shelters makes me not want to respond, I'm referring to the times Israel has repelled invasion. I call the Wehrmacht bad asses as well, despite some of their terrible actions. Frankly, I don't care if Israel has done what you are claiming it has. Tell me, what major military hasn't done something horrific in their history? If there is one I actually like to know because I like knowing this kinds of things, they're interesting.
I'm sure @AWESOMEO will address your speech far better than this, so I just wanted to clear up what I meant.
The problem is that we'd be in greater danger if we wouldn't recruit people... I know it means taking our freedom to an extent, but this is kind of the thing about living here... It's dangerous. At least they don't actually force you to fight, since there is a variety of jobs to choose from.
And you know this how...?
Not this again... We're not "eager" to do it, but when they store weaponry in places that were built for shelter, bombing those places to prevent them from launching air strikes on Israeli population is what we need to do as an army. They aim at us with the intent to kill us, it's their ideology to kill us, we bomb their weapon stashes (which are UN shelters, because it's smarter to hide them where we wouldn't think it's hidden). Killing children isn't the goal, it's war casualties of the crammed population of the Gaza Strip because they themselves elected Hamas, it's their own fault that this situation was created, we tried to make covenants - they broke each and every one.
The Hamas is using UN's aid to perform jihads and religious cleansing of infidels, they're using all the resources the world (as well as Israel) collectively nurture them for terrorism.
I don't know the particular situation Flog is talking about, but I'm guessing it goes something like Hamas put their missiles next to the shelter and started launching, and convinced the children and other innocents to stay (convince... right), and Israel had no other choice. This is a common occurence.
I have respect for Israel. They are strong when faced with such terrible enemies. Have the messed up? Surely. War isn't like a chess game.
I recently did a Model Arab League situation as Saudi Arabia in the Joint Defense Council. In preparation, I read a thing about the turbulent history of Israel and the Arab nations. And they invaded, Israel kicked their asses and gained land. That I admire.
Granted at the end of it we were given a crisis that a Turkish commercial plane was shot down by Israeli jets in Lebanese air space which lead to World War 3, but i digress.
How do I know they have the sexiest military? Well I searched "Israeli soldier" (or something close to that) because I was curious about what their uniform looked like, and I found a lot of pictures of the women soldiers wearing..... well not much.
Oh, I thought you meant sexiest as in "sexist" xD
Well, I guess it's because most soldiers you'd see on the internet are 18-21, and they haven't quite matured enough to realize that their job isn't to take naked pictures & an M-16 xP
It isn't their job, but I'm not complaining if they make it a hobby. Lol jk.... sorta.
When you're 18-21 and just want to have fun living (especially when drafted into a hectic war) I can see why this stuff would occure. No harm in it, as far as I can tell. Just young people being young people. "How am I ever gonna get to be old and wise, If I ain't ever young and crazy?"
They have a mandatory service requirement for men and women if I remember correctly, which means it's probably one of the least sexist militaries lol.
Yeah, that was what my first post was saying :P
It's not alleged, it's fact. Hundreds of children DID die. That's just truth.
Israel repelling invasion = fine. Bombing UN shelters, killing children? Not fine.
No, not at all.
This was last year when Israel used air strikes on civilians in the gaza strip.
One must be aware of all consequences of one's actions, not just intended ones.
If someone runs over a man while they were drunk, they are responsible, even though they were trying to get home rather than kill a man.
I didn't say we didn't do it or that we weren't responsible for it, I said that it was a result of protecting the nation they were formed to protect.
We were aware that it was risky, but those weapons were used to kill civilians of our own, as well as for holding resources they were using to dig underground tunnels that were meant to reach settlements with Israeli families, to commit jihad and bomb them. They've started doing it again lately, I expect we might take action, but what else were we supposed to do? Also, we didn't know that the Hamas was using the civilians as human shields, you do know that a decent amount of the casualties is a result of them using innocent people (who wanted to get out of there) as human shields, right?
I don't really like the idea of being in the military. I don't think we should resort to war unless we absolutely need to, and I'm put off by the awful things soldiers do in ANY country. No one is a hero. I don't want to be a part of ending someone's life who could have been put into the war unwillingly like myself, I don't want to kill people for a cause I might not believe in, I don't want any of it.
I doubt I would make a good soldier if they drafted me, not that I'd be a good candidate anyway because of my mental health. If I had to play a part in a war I'd choose to be a medic and be in the "saving" role instead of the "killing" role.
How does women as infantry work out? It's a cause in process here, but I'm not sure how I feel about it. Many men still prioritize women's lives and wellbeing, so it could cause problems in a pinch. Also women are genetically physically weaker than men. Does the Israeli military have equal expectations between the sexes to be infantry?