KKK's Confederate Flag Rally in South Carolina

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  • Indeed they did. I can't remember what news network it was exactly, but I remember one was even going as far to say that those two fucks used Doom, I shit you not, as training for the shooting.

    Didn't people shit their pants because those fucks that shot up Columbine played Doom?

  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited July 2015

    @Aaira wrote:
    a witch hunt implies a hunt, if she went around groping people to check who had a dick, that would've been a witch hunt, this wasn't.

    That's the exact opposite of a witch hunt, as it entails searching for proof. The term witch hunt originated from the witch hunt in Salem, Massachusetts in the 1690s, where people simply stated that women were witches, and these women were then convicted as witches without verifiable proof.

    @Aaira wrote:
    nobody has to check anyone's genitals, ffs, in the US you don't even have to get surgery to get gender reassigned documents, that alone would be far less prone to exploits than "sincere, self-reported gender identity"

    Everyone gets held up on the term "gender identity" and ignores the other part of rules like this, "gender expression". These rules are together for a reason. A man can't just simply go into a woman's room dressed as a man and say that he feels like a woman. He'd have to actually make an actual effort to dress like a woman as well, as without that he wouldn't meet the "gender expression" part of the rules.

    The thing that people don't seem to realize is that transgender people make a large effort to adapt to the cultural norms of their transitioning gender, as passing as that gender is important to them. If a woman dresses and has a haircut "like a man" that person is almost certainly a masculine woman who was genetically born a woman, such as the woman I mentioned above.

    Aaira posted: »

    "going around the gym telling people they let men in the women's locker room" is just your interpretation, the only thing we know from the a

  • Yeah I remember that.

    Indeed they did. I can't remember what news network it was exactly, but I remember one was even going as far to say that those two fucks used Doom, I shit you not, as training for the shooting.

  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited July 2015

    To be fair, there actually was something to be said about that case, not that he played Doom itself, but that he created a mod for Doom which allowed people to shoot in an accurate recreation of his school. That definitely should have been a warning sign, as should the shooting at Red Lake High School. That kid killed nine people and himself, but before doing it he put up a Flash animation on Newgrounds of a man shooting several people and then committing suicide. Parents, teachers, and fellow classmates really need to be more aware of warning signs such as these.

    Didn't people shit their pants because those fucks that shot up Columbine played Doom?

  • I don't see creating a Doom map of his school as a warning sign. If I knew how to make maps for games I would probably start with places I know. But to be fair, I am not a psychopath.

    Jennifer posted: »

    To be fair, there actually was something to be said about that case, not that he played Doom itself, but that he created a mod for Doom whic

  • I think it helps in a small way. Flying a racist flag on a government building sends the message that racism is okay. Taking it down sends the opposite message. The fact that the KKK is throwing a shit-fit should be evidence that taking down the flag was worthwhile. The stuff you're talking about is engrained into our culture and is pretty much impossible to solve overnight. I'm not sure there's much the government can do about it other than taking small steps to discourage racism.

    Clord posted: »

    Thing about going against racism. Our language is quite racist to write properly if someone wants to take it that far. White person simpl

  • edited July 2015

    well

    Scaeva posted: »

    This is what William Tappan Thompson, the creator of that flag, had to say about a similar flag he created called the Stainless Banner: "

  • Great argument. 10/10

    well

  • Well, thing is, slavery still exists pretty good in 2015. Don' see you worrying about that? Not much you can do though, my argument still stands from earlier. People are very knowledgeable about the flag now, seeing the media has used it as a scapegoat to further more maek whites look lik the most evil destructive race of all time. 4 years ago, you would have drove past the confed flag at someones house and not really cared. But now, you're all ready to get the witch hunt for all the skinhead white black haters who fly the confed flag.

    Great argument. 10/10

  • I don't care, I just found it funny how you totally ignored his entire well stated and verified argument and claimed he was anti white for having the facts.

    Well, thing is, slavery still exists pretty good in 2015. Don' see you worrying about that? Not much you can do though, my argument still st

  • Nothing funny about it, I can't change waht he said. Still doesn't make my picture wrong, lol. hehe

    I don't care, I just found it funny how you totally ignored his entire well stated and verified argument and claimed he was anti white for having the facts.

  • But his picture was right. You decided to ignore that and label him in an attempt to discredit his information. I don't care about the picture, I just wanted to point out the issue here.

    Nothing funny about it, I can't change waht he said. Still doesn't make my picture wrong, lol. hehe

  • Not much of a point in posting his little quotes either.

    The pic I posted (truth) has no reference to any white supremacy. So he decides to research the creator and point out that he was a white supremacist. So completely ignore the meaning behind the flag which revolves around Christianity and try to discredit my information.

    But his picture was right. You decided to ignore that and label him in an attempt to discredit his information. I don't care about the picture, I just wanted to point out the issue here.

  • May I ask you a question? Rhetorical because I'll ask it anyways, where is the link for proof of the flag's meaning? The Christian meaning in the flag, if it is there or not, doesn't mean it doesn't have racial meaning behind it too. The flag was used in a war for slavery and then used many other times against minority groups during their struggle for equality and even then today. Just because it is Christian, it doesn't excuse the other meanings from the flag's use.

    Still, you again use the tactic of avoiding my point. You called him anti white as a way to discredit his information, rather than attempt to support your own.

    Not much of a point in posting his little quotes either. The pic I posted (truth) has no reference to any white supremacy. So he decides

  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited July 2015

    It's true that simply creating a map of your school doesn't necessarily mean that you're planning anything sinister. One of my first animations took place in my high school (although, of course there was no violence in it at all. It did poke fun at the principal, but in a friendly manner (I had him pointing at his watch yelling to get to homeroom, as he did that every day, never fail), and even he got a chuckle out of it when he saw it). The newgrounds animation isn't exactly proof of anything either, as I'm sure there were kids out there who created gory films as well who didn't turn out to be psychopaths either.

    But at the very least, both instances should lead people close to that person to take a closer look into that person's mental state. If that person is creating things like that, plus has depression on top of it, then that definitely should be taken as a warning sign.

    I don't see creating a Doom map of his school as a warning sign. If I knew how to make maps for games I would probably start with places I know. But to be fair, I am not a psychopath.

  • edited July 2015

    The Medairamagician...who are you referring to exactly?

    I'm not in favor of slavery where it currently exists, and I've always been against the flying of the Confederate flag on government buildings. It didn't take a shooting for me to form an opinion on that. Unlike those who defend the flying of Confederate flags, I'm also familiar with the history of both the flag and the cause that it represented.

    No one mentioned modern slavery in this thread because it has absolutely nothing to do with the Confederate flag, which is what this thread is about. That people didn't veer off topic to discuss modern day slavery doesn't mean they don't care about it.

    Well, thing is, slavery still exists pretty good in 2015. Don' see you worrying about that? Not much you can do though, my argument still st

  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited July 2015

    @themadeiramagician wrote:
    People are very knowledgeable about the flag now, seeing the media has used it as a scapegoat to further more maek whites look lik the most evil destructive race of all time. 4 years ago, you would have drove past the confed flag at someones house and not really cared. But now, you're all ready to get the witch hunt for all the skinhead white black haters who fly the confed flag.

    This isn't new at all. Here's an article on the flag in South Carolina which calls for it to be removed from the state capitol in 2000, as this article was written way back in 1999. The confederate flag removal that is happening right now only deals with the flag on government property.

    The only other organization that called for the removal of the confederate flag was NASCAR, and that was just a request, not an order. People are still flying the flag, and so far NASCAR hasn't forced them to take it down. If it did come to them forcing them to take it down (which I highly doubt they will), they do have the right to do so as even though the people at the events are ticket holders, they are still on private land.

    The situation is nowhere near the level where you state it to be. There are no national movements to remove the flag from individual people's properties. Groups of people have wished that the confederate flag wouldn't be placed on private property since the confederate flag was created. While it's true the amount of people in that group has become larger over the years, nothing ever came of it because people have a right to fly whatever flag they want on their own property because of the right to freedom of expression in the first amendment of the United States constitution. That hasn't changed, and it never will.

    @themadeiramagician wrote:
    The pic I posted (truth) has no reference to any white supremacy. So he decides to research the creator and point out that he was a white supremacist. So completely ignore the meaning behind the flag which revolves around Christianity and try to discredit my information.

    It's true that the Confederate flag was created using Christian symbols, but just calling something a Christian organization doesn't absolve it from any less than Christian intent. The way that Christianity is used by that organization determines whether it is racist, and the people who created the flag and those who led under that flag definitely twisted the words of the Christian Bible to support slavery, just as the flag for the Ku Klux Klan used the exact same Christian imagery in their flag, and twisted the words of the Christian Bible to support the idea of white supremacy.

    As I posted earlier, the Confederacy twisted the words of the Christian Bible to suggest that slavery of African Americans was the will of God. That link may come from a liberal news site, but it doesn't make the speeches that they quoted any less true.

    @themadeiramagician wrote:
    Well, thing is, slavery still exists pretty good in 2015. Don' see you worrying about that? Not much you can do though, my argument still stands from earlier.

    I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you trying to suggest that people are focusing on the confederate flag and ignoring slavery that is still happening? They aren't. The media is reporting on that too.

    Well, thing is, slavery still exists pretty good in 2015. Don' see you worrying about that? Not much you can do though, my argument still st

  • edited July 2015

    I don't think doing a doom map would be considered as enough strong evidence to commit someone forcibly to mental institution. Warning signs are not enough unless a person literally goes to school property and draws text with his own blood or something on the wall.

    Jennifer posted: »

    It's true that simply creating a map of your school doesn't necessarily mean that you're planning anything sinister. One of my first animat

  • edited July 2015

    Not sure what my point was but it was something along the lines.

    End of the day it's just a flag, it's people who give it a meaning. Also the flag itself is part of the human history.

    Taking it down is fine and they can even burn it if they want.

    mosfet posted: »

    I think it helps in a small way. Flying a racist flag on a government building sends the message that racism is okay. Taking it down sends t

  • JenniferJennifer Moderator
    edited July 2015

    Forcing someone to a mental institution is a little harsh. By following up on warning signs, I merely meant to get that person help to have them see a therapist for their depression and violent thoughts. If they show huge tendencies towards violence in those sessions, then yeah, the mental institution might be warranted then. But it's possible just talking to someone might help.

    Clord posted: »

    I don't think doing a doom map would be considered as enough strong evidence to commit someone forcibly to mental institution. Warning signs

  • edited July 2015

    my similitude of dick checking was inaccurate(as having one would be reasonable proof), but simply stating "they let men into the women's room" is still not, in any way, a witch hunt.
    she didn't go around calling random people men in disguise (save for that initial case who might or might not have been correct but that was never implied to be correlated to the unjust punishment of said individual), she did not go around looking for transgender people, she did no hunting of any sort.

    "sincere self-reported gender identity" is a direct quote from the gym's official statement, the emphasis isn't as much on gender identity or expression but on self-reported, no discrimination over wether the self-reported transgendeder passed a "cultural norms" test was not said nor implied, according to this statement you simply need to self-report your gender identity, no further proof of passing seems to be needed.

    Jennifer posted: »

    @Aaira wrote: a witch hunt implies a hunt, if she went around groping people to check who had a dick, that would've been a witch hunt, th

  • if your italian half is from south italy then you're probably, like, one 5th black

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I'm Mixed Race between Native American and Italian. I don't fit in with normal White People, or Native Americans. I am my own Race, and min

  • I am my own race.

    Aaira posted: »

    if your italian half is from south italy then you're probably, like, one 5th black

  • hat definitely should have been a warning sign

    IMO , you can't prepare over certain situations, this is one of them. Who would think that someone would go out and shoot people at Church, it doesn't even register in my mind. Its one of the few places i don't go armed.

    Jennifer posted: »

    To be fair, there actually was something to be said about that case, not that he played Doom itself, but that he created a mod for Doom whic

  • No, you're made up several different races.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I am my own race.

  • i kinda doubt you're the only half native half caucasian human in the world.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I am my own race.

  • edited July 2015

    Random thought here, but honestly, at this point I feel like supporters of the flag are making a far bigger deal out of this than those who are in favor of banning it in certain places. This doesn't even have to be an issue, but apparently supporters of the flag are just as "sensitive" (if not more so) about this issue as the people who want to ban the flag. Banning the flag isn't some sort of attack on your culture, please try and get over it. There is no good reason to keep fighting this.

  • Heh, same here but with a healthy dose of Black Irish and German.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I'm Mixed Race between Native American and Italian. I don't fit in with normal White People, or Native Americans. I am my own Race, and min

  • It's not even a ban, really. Just removing it from public institutions.

    Belan posted: »

    Random thought here, but honestly, at this point I feel like supporters of the flag are making a far bigger deal out of this than those who

  • i kinda doubt you're the only half native half caucasian human in the world.

    Maybe not, but i am not a part of "white Culture" or "native American." I am my own person. I have never felt accepted in either culture, so i decided to make my own Race. If Catlin Jenner can do it, why can't I.

    Aaira posted: »

    i kinda doubt you're the only half native half caucasian human in the world.

  • i think you're getting confused with Rachel "orangeface" Gonzales

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    i kinda doubt you're the only half native half caucasian human in the world. Maybe not, but i am not a part of "white Culture" or

  • I think it makes perfect sense, I don't fit in with either group, i made my own. Same as he/she did. Understand?

    Aaira posted: »

    i think you're getting confused with Rachel "orangeface" Gonzales

  • honestly she fits in with the women group better than some women i know

    Rachel "born to be black" Gonzales, on the other hand...

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    I think it makes perfect sense, I don't fit in with either group, i made my own. Same as he/she did. Understand?

  • honestly she fits in with the women group better than some women i know

    You do know its a man right?

    Aaira posted: »

    honestly she fits in with the women group better than some women i know Rachel "born to be black" Gonzales, on the other hand...

  • edited July 2015

    legally, she's a woman; physically, she's closer to intersex.

    this is a thread about KKK

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    honestly she fits in with the women group better than some women i know You do know its a man right?

  • edited July 2015

    "Male body must mean she's male" argument. In legal sense it doesn't work like that.

    Personally I accept the gender someone tells they are.

    CrazyGeorge posted: »

    honestly she fits in with the women group better than some women i know You do know its a man right?

  • CrazyGeorgeCrazyGeorge Banned
    edited July 2015

    I'm a dolphin, i just masquerade on the internet as a human so people take me seriously.

    Clord posted: »

    "Male body must mean she's male" argument. In legal sense it doesn't work like that. Personally I accept the gender someone tells they are.

  • legally, she's a woman; physically, she's closer to intersex.

    Splain lucy. Wut u mean Legally.

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    Aaira posted: »

    legally, she's a woman; physically, she's closer to intersex. this is a thread about KKK

  • What happened to this thread. We went from the KKK ---> General flag debate ---> Rachel Gonzales and dick-checks in locker rooms.

    What the hell?!

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