Assisted Suicide - your thoughts
While playing Life Is Strange: Episode 4, this issue came up when Chloe asked Max to help her commit suicide. That scene really emotionally affected me and left me in tears. I was unable to make a decision for a long time. But I finally decided to accept her request to ease her suffering.
This is a very controversial issue that is legal in 5 states in the USA including Oregon, where the game takes place.
What choice did or would you make? What are your thoughts about this issue? Is it right or wrong to help people kill themselves?
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I think if people are for sure going to die (like a life threatening disease they've gained) then they should be allowed to be assisted in it. If not I think they should be getting mental help rather then getting assisted in committing suicide.
Basically this.
I was reading a story in the news that was very similar to the Max & Chloe situation, it involved two brothers, one was paralyzed from the neck down and was told he'd be a vegetable type state for the remainder of his life and was driven miserable by it so much that he asked his younger brother to kill him. I guess there were no plugs or anything so the next day the younger brother brought a concealed pistol into the hospital and shot him. He was never convicted of anything as the court agreed he was so traumatized by all the pain his brother was in killing him seemed liked the merciful thing to do.
Me personally, I don't find suicide selfish nor wrong. I try to empathize with people who would want to do that and do my best to convince them otherwise but truthfully it is their decision and if they feel they want to die it's only for themselves to decide.
Well said
Assisted suicide?
I support it.
Suicide is the coward's way out. You know how many people i known that killed themselves. A lot. Fuck that. There is no such thing as a "terminal" disease, as soon as you give up hope , then it becomes a TERMINAL disease.
Medical science would disagree with your stance on hope.
I don't give a fuck what they think. Medical science was cutting out peoples brains fifty years ago, to treat depression. Its called a lobotomy. "Medical science " its a joke.
Interesting take. Yes, medical science was not, nor is it, perfect. But it does a hell of a lot more for unhealthy people than hope does. If you get cancer, just hope it goes away! Got shot? Hope away the hole in your body! Hope is good for your emotional wellbeing, which can translate into more subtle health benefits, but it doesn't compare to actual medical help. I'll take a hospital over hope any day, and any rational person would. If you're sick, and are continually told it's terminal, it's very, very likely it's terminal... with or without you hoping it not.
When medical science becomes not about the money, i might actually come around, but i don't see that ever happening, why do you think Aids hasn't been cured?
And yet hope is even less helpful than the "medical money trap". If your last hope is hope itself you might as well start praying, an equally useless wishing well.
Hang on, if it's legal in Oregon then why did Chloe need to get Max to do it because her parents refused, doesn't she have a legal right to it?
Lets be honest here, Medical Science is a business. Doctors are at best higher educated car mechanics, who don't really know what is wrong with you, without tossing pills at you or some other procedure you will have to pay for. Its a business, they don't care if you get better, they make money regardless.
Yeah, but I guess her parents didn't care about the law and no one was there to enforce it until Max came along.
You are the master at making assumptions and stereotyping an entire group of people. Most Doctors, believe it or not, actually want to help people and get them to feel better. Pills and other things can help people with most chemical issues in their bodies while surgeries can allow doctors and surgeons successfully solve problems. Is it a business? Of course, everything is a business. However, thinking all doctors could care less if people get better is ignorant at best.
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Yes, and many people disagree with them. You are someone who says I'm annoying and many people on the forums would disagree with you. Thanks for ignoring my entire post and jumping straight to the insults.
So people suffering from intolerably painful diseases should do what exactly? Suck it up and wait? What's wrong with dying in a dignified manner on one's own terms?
I'm all for it. For obvious reasons the way it happened in the game would be a legal nightmare for Max but if the will to die can be proven without coercion I don't see a problem with it.
Even if it is just a business, and doctors only do what they do for money (which is preposterous), that doesn't make your argument any more valid. Hoping is not going to save your life.
Such a difficult and heart wrenching question. I believe it should be our choice whether we want to live or die. When somebody is trapped in a body that can't heal or the pain is unbearable they should have the right to decide not someone else.
But I couldn't assist in such thing... Maybe I could bring myself to that... but that'd destroy my life, my soul and probably my sanity.
Hold on. If doctors were all about the money, why would they ever tell people they have a terminal illness? A terminal illness means there's no treatment, which means no money for the doctor.
Plot hole. Dontnod is based in Paris so the writers probably didn't realize it was legal in Oregon.
If you wanted to come up with an actual explanation, you could say that she didn't know her rights. Which doesn't even make sense to me.
You're referring to euthanasia.
I believe that it's okay for you to kill someone who suffers from a no-chance-of-survival illness.
I'm sure they missed that detail, Euthanasia was legal since 1997.
I believe Max wasn't even taught of her own human rights. Look at me, I'm 17 and didn't even know that we have 30 human rights!
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Not before you've exhausted all your options of helping the person. Getting out of it is always possible, no matter how hard it might seem (emotionally speaking). But situations like Chloe had are ones I support.
I did it because I hate her character and want to see her die numerous times, but I also support it.
I'm not against it to be honest, everyone is free to do what they want with their lives, however involving someone else is kinda cruel, unless they're absolutely 100% sure that it's the right thing to do you're going to leave them feeling guilty for the rest of their lives, if I'm honest considering how much guilt I still feel from holding someone at knife point and wanting to kill them but not doing it, well I don't think I could handle it, it would probably eat away at me until I went insane or killed myself, so I wouldn't do it but I wouldn't judge someone who did either, I understand life is complicated and that sometimes the cards you are given are terrible so it's unfortunate but sometimes it's better to step out of the table.
There needs to be strong legal safeguards in place, in order to stop people being coerced into it (for their inheritance etc). In principal I support it.
In LiS, I didn't do it as I didn't think it should Max's decision. William and Joyce should've be involved and even if they didn't agree with Chloe's decision, they should've had the chance to say goodbye.
While I believe that suicide should be an absolute last resort, I still think that whether life is worth living is subjective to each individual, so it's their choice whether to live or not.
No, unless the person who would be killed agrees to it and even then there should be "safety" net in form of delay if they change their mind. Most people just after accident etc are not "stable enough" to decide of such matters by themselves. We shouldn't encourage the easy way out because otherwise it might be done because of they are not just feeling well at a moment. Also it should only be done under "terminal illness."
My god that is just sad.
Wait...what?! You almost knifed someone?
I've never seen so much ignorance before in a person. Jesus...
I think people who are paralyzed or terminally ill should always have the option to be "killed". I can totally understand it if people would want to die if they know they will die eventually or never recover.
My grandma has late stage Alzheimer's and is in a home. She's gotten to the point where she pretty much forgets how to use a toilet. Sometimes, I think that smothering her with a pillow would be the merciful thing to do.
Do they have child euthanasia in Oregon? Chloe is not an adult yet.
Anyway, it was an easy choice for me.
I knew a few people who got euthanized and Im glad they had that choice. The only weird thing about it is hearing the date they are going to die. Usually you dont know when someone is going to die.
I hate suicide, I think it's horrible...Except for when you are slowly dying from a terminal disease with no possibility of recovery. Then I think someone should be allowed the option of a fast way out.
Damn that sounds morbid. Sorry to hear that dude.
Thanks, it is kinda morbid, but that's old age for ya. I really wouldn't mind if someone gave me the Old Yeller treatment if I got like that.