Is "paedophilia" sexual orientation?
goinoutwithabang
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Is it? This has been discussed on many forums but i want to see what you guys think. Serious replies please.
Some evidence shows that men are actually attracted to 10-14 year olds.
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I think it's classified as a mental disorder, I read it might be a "serotonergic dysfunction", but whether it's intrinsic or extrinsic, I feel bad for them. I also have mad respect for celibate pedophiles who fight their urges and even get a vasectomy so they won't be able to do anything.
wether you call it sexual orientation or mental illness, the problem is that this thing's actualization implies child abuse.
i do believe pedophiles should seek "treatment" (basically courses on how to fight one's urges) not because of the classification of their whatever but for the dangers to others it might cause
don't think there's any problem with people watching loli (not real life, cus that'd create market for child abuse) porn tho
How would a vasectomy prevent them from doing anything?
I heard someone suggesting giving a vasectomy to pedophiles, so I thought it also stops blood flow to the penis for some reason. My bad :P
Don't know what "paedophilia" is but pedophilia isn't
I hope these info graphics are BS, because I'm very alarmed by them. I also feel bad because if it's true it's not helping the "men are monsters" viewpoint some women have. Wow, this really makes me uneasy so I hope it isn't true.
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Ew bro. This is just unsettling.
You're probably thinking of chemical castration, not a vasectomy.
Let's take these statistics at face value and say that an estimated 40 percent of males in the normal population do have pedophilia (I don't honestly think it's that high, but that's the information from the graphics you are referring to). Your perceived number of men who have pedophilia has sky rocketed (which is obviously why you've said what you've said) and yet the number of people that have actually committed pedophilia related acts has not changed....
Do you see the flaw in your logic? Why an increase in known people that suffer from pedophilia coupled with a completely nonchanging number of people that commit acts based on the mental disorder is the direct opposite of supporting the notion that "men are monsters"?
I feel sick from reading that. It'd make you not want to trust having your kids around anybody, god...
Cool it, I didn't say I believed it or that I thought men are monsters. I just said that I really hope those numbers aren't true.
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My statement is no less true. If I have said something incorrect I hope you will point it out so i can readily apologize. As it stands you are part of what I view as the problem, because you view being something as wrong. Say for example that I want to kill my boss... I want to stab him in the throat and pluck out his eyes with a spoon (in all actuality I love my boss). Does that make me mentally ill? Probably. But posting stigma to the problem doesn't fix the problem, and it doesn't make people affected with the problem want to seek help for it. Whether you face your own problems or not is irrelevant.
I hope they don't ban you, they really have little reason to. But please, tell me how you really feel about it, because as it stands you believe that this lends support to theidea that "men are monsters."
As for calling you out? I also mentioned AWESOMEO... but that doesn't count because it wasn't negative? I gave examples of who I agreed with and who I did not. I'm sorry you took offence to that, I guess.
No, pedophilia is definitely NOT a sexual orientation. It is a psychiatric disorder and should be treated as such; any action taken by these individuals is a criminal offense.
Why? Because the people who think like that are wrong? Immoral? Gross? Deserving of scorn? Ridicule? Hatred?
Why does the number of people increasing that do think like this make you hope that it's not true? Because more of them are now going to commit acts based on these thoughts? Unless you find something innately wrong about thinking something, then I don't understand your reasoning.
Is it wrong that an alcoholic thinks about drinking? Wishes he could take a swig?
Again, if I'm misunderstanding just explain
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this is messed up dude i accidentaly click on here due to my touchscreen being glitchy again and find this this is crazy
I... don't know what to feel about this.
Paedophilia is British English.
Wow, way to be overly alarmist (not you, the resources I mean).
Even if a relatively high number (20%) have a particular fantasy it does not mean that it its either predominant or that they would ever act upon it. A relatively high percentage of women (I can find the study if you really want) have rape fantasties. That doesn't mean that they have any desire at all to be raped (or even any of them).
Also, how do each of these studies being cited define children? The author of the graph gives his categories, but the subjects he cites don't necessarily match up. If were talking about minors, especially in the case of the case of the 89% (I don't know if it was the same study, but another study I had read did a similar test with 14-15 year olds), than it's basically meaningless. Yes, 'young biological adults' can cause arousal in men. Basically, that study means they showed a bunch of men pictures of 'young biological adults' with breasts and pubic hair, and bloodflow increased to their penis, measured by a penile plethysmograph. If you were to ask those men 'well, would you do it?' I'm sure you'd be well under 89%.
Basically, the guy is being completely sensationalist.
As to the topic question, what delineates a paraphilia and an orientation, I'm honestly not sure, and I'm not even sure where the line between the psychological, the medical and political is. Orientation is in part a matter of identity, but where they has psychiatric validity, versus where it is a political construction, is unclear. Identity, while socially constructed, has a real effect on the individual's psyche. There's political pressure to have certain things identified as paraphilias and others as orientations - to call something an orientation legitimizes it in the public eye, and the APA is subject to scrutiny on that basis.