What has happened to our justice system?
Everywhere we look, it seems that people are getting away with almost anything they want.
The Courts use to punish wrongdoers, but now, Iis letting them go with hardly anything more than a slap on the wrist.
What is happening?
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It seems half the people think we are too strict and the other half think we are too leniant. However for me America is pretty hard on criminals (though frankly I think thats the right approach).
"Everywhere we look, it seems that people are getting away with almost anything they want" exactly!
But isn't the problem of immigration.
Bill O'Reilly is a shitty old raisin.
I'm sure these numbers weren't skewed in the slightest.......
right?
EDIT: "Everywhere we look, it seems that people are getting away with almost anything they want."
No, it doesn't. That's why when we rarely see these things we are dumbfounded and outraged.
You realize crime is at an all time low, yeah?
For a country that has the highest incarceration rate ever, America's justice system has collapsed a long time ago.
Raisins are more respectable than him.
I dunno, maybe. I'm no fan of raisins though.
Fox News? Haha.
It's just a racket now. Too much money involved for any real justice to be done.
So much spotlight is being put on crimes without punishments over the many many crimes with punishments.
Denmark is much easier on criminals and focus on rehabilitation rather than punishment. Thanks to that, a very small number of criminals return to being criminals when they get out. Meanwhile a very large number of criminals return to their wrong behavior when they get out in the U.S
He is right. There is no justice in this world unless you take it by force. I've been a victim of criminal justice system, so next time someone crosses me, good luck.
pfft, you should see what the guy who has been the italian prime minister for a total of ~9 years managed to get away with.
The American prison system is an abusive, underfunded hell pit run by monkeys with guns. Criminals are let off into society only to commit more crimes because the only thing they know how to do is spend their time in a cell. Civilians have access to war machines - civilians who are not only untrained to use such weapons but also ones lacking the sanity, common sense and proper moral compass to not shoot innocent people.
And we wonder why folks are misbehaving.
Thread: What kind of changes would you like to see in our Justice system?
I'd like to see:
1- The crimes of Rape and Murder be punishable by death.
As well as the crime of dealing Crack, Meth, Heroin, as many of the people who deal those drugs often target children.
2 - The crime of child molestation be punished by castration.
It would prevent a possible re-offense by the offending party, as well as send a very strong and clear message that there are severe consequences for this type of heinous crime.
We as a society say we hate child molesters?
Then let's act like it!
3 - For the crime of theft, I'd like to see the thieves be sentenced to hard labor, doing different jobs for the community, much like the chain-gangs use to do back in the day.
Why should they be allowed to sit on their butt in jail and do nothing, after they stole from an average working citizen?
The only thing with that is, I'd like to see that there be regulations as to how the prisoners would be treated.
They'd still be expect to work hard, but would not be abused.
4 - I'd like to see our prison system change.
Instead of having these people be housed in concrete buildings, instead have them be housed cheaply in Army tents, and have that apply to both blue collar and white collar criminals.
It would seriously cut down on expenses.
Plus, if Army tents are good enough for the men who fight and defend this country, than they're good enough the criminals.
Why should criminals get better living conditions than our soldiers, so to speak?
5 - I would like to see lie-detector tests be admissible as evidence in court trials.
What's the point of still having them performed, if they are not allowed to be used to help determine a person's guilt or innocence?
6- I'd like to have brought back that if a man and a woman engage in sexual activity, and a pregnancy results from it, that the two will then have to get married.
It used to be done years ago, and it is foolish that it was discontinued.
Now I know many will say that that is a huge violation of civil rights.
However, doesn't the child who is going to be born deserve to have both a mom and a dad in his life?
Plus, it's time someone should try to put a stop to all these deadbeat parents who are walking around.
Time that someone make them step up, act like adults, and take responsibility for their actions.
7 - I would like to see abortion outlawed completely.
Even if the child in question was the result of a rape, it still has the right to be born.
Though the circumstances are indeed tragic, the child should not have to pay for the sins of it's father.
And in that case, I would think that it would only be fair that the Government set up an aid program for the single moms, if something like that does not exist already.
8 - I am a strong advocate of "Kate's Law."
And it something I would love to see turned into a reality.
9 - I would like to see an end to gun control.
The 2nd amendment was put in place for a reason.
Plus, all gun-control is going to do is make it harder for the average Joe to obtain a firearm.
It's not gonna stop the criminal, as they just do business with the back market.
10 - I would like to see the 5th amendment apply, even during a grand jury trial.
It's put in place for a reason, and should be a right that people should be able to use.
11 - Despite the Supreme Court's ruling on homosexual marriage, I think that people of faith should not be forced to participate in an event that goes against their conscience.
Forcing people to do so is a clear and utter violation of the 1st amendment.
Religious people should still have their rights upheld.
After all, that's why America claimed independence from Britain, so they we could have religious freedom.
12 - I would like to see all the red tape done away with, and have it made easy for the veterans to receive the benefits they were promised.
They held up their end of the bargain, now it's time for Washington to hold up it's end.
It's called being responsible.
How about you?
Sounds like somebody misses the Middle Ages.
Perhaps it might have something to do with the lack of religion in peoples lives. Just saying, the last 30-40 years, we wanted to seperate our nation from religion, one good thing about religion encourages good behavior, now we don't have that.
For #3, why not just cut off the thief's right hand? Seems more in line with the rest of those points.
Don't they do that in muslim countries.
Lack of religion in people's lives has nothing to do with individuals misbehaving, especially considering that most criminals in prison are most likely religious. I would go into more details but I won't at the moment.
I would build a colony on the moon and send all murderers/rapists Hilary Clinton there.
If there are aliens on the moon, maybe they'll stop abducting normal people and abduct Hilary, and keep her.
Are you cereal? It has everything to do with it. Think about how many single parent families are out there, because one left, one decided not to take care of their kids, then bad shit happens. No father figure in their lives, where are men going to learn how to be men? I had to join the military to learn how to be a man, because my dad was absent most of my life.
After they get caught you mean.
can you edit your thread title and put "American Justice System" so people don't get confused?
Only in countries that follow the Hanbali school of Islam...so basically just the Saudis and ISIS.
Does he realize that he's basically asking to live in Protestant Iran?
Trump is gonna win as long as he don't screw it up. GOODBYE SANCTUARY CITIES.
I hope not.
That man having the final say in diplomatic matters scares the hell out of me.
Yes, I'm serious. If lack of religion was truly the reason why individuals misbehave then explain to me why countries that have significant populations of irreligious people, like Japan and Sweden, have one of the smallest crime rates in the world, whereas, countries with a very significant religious population usually tend to have higher crime rates?
What you mentioned has nothing to do with religion though. That has more to do with people making reckless decisions (whilst still being religious) as well as the father/mother being a deadbeat in not wanting to take care of the child (whilst they too may also be religious). Just look at the Duggar family. They are about as religious as you can get while still doing deplorable actions.
No, even while they commit the crimes.
I'd say "No", and it would be bad enough, but I think the answer is "Yes" and he seems to be 100% approving of it.
And Obama doesn't?
I'd post the mind blown pic, but you get the jist.
He will win, Americans are sick of illegal aliens, and that is what he is going to win on.
Why? Because they're pretty much all the same. All Swedish, All japanese. America is everyone's problems. Is there racism in Japan? No because everyone is pretty much the same race, Japanese. Get with the program, you can't compare America to any other Country, because what created it makes it unique.
There are a lot of religious killers out there. They want to go to hell.
No, there have been serious blunders, but the United States reputation abroad has improved under Obama.
Trump is rash, needlessly disrespectful and casually racist. Three qualities that are anathema to good diplomacy (and good governance in general).
But alas, we're veering off topic.
Then why do countries that are very homogeneous while also having a significant religious population still have higher crime rates, like many countries in Africa and some European countries?
And you have to be widely misinformed if you think racism doesn't exist in Japan (racism exists in every country by the way, so I'm not sure what this has to do with the debate). Hell, Japanese tend to be very racist and xenophobic to other Asian nationalities as well as Japanese born outside of Japan. And even if you use the whole argument "they're the same", that still doesn't explain why the country has the lowest crime rate in the world while also being significantly irreligious.
I seriously doubt that all those religious criminals in prison secretly want to go to hell. That, and you pretty much just admitted that lack of religion doesn't cause people to misbehave since you now know that there are religious people who do, you know... commit crimes. Sometimes they do it in the name of religion.
Yeah, that's why we have the world's largest prison population. It's because people aren't being punished.
to be fair if everyone obeyed to the fundamental buddhist teachings, people would probably not do crime
but i don't want to believe there's no other alternative
violent crime's at an all time low anyways, why buy a gun and risk your life robbing someone when you can steal more with a smile and a nice suit?
A person can get a gun and start immediately - you don't need years of an expensive education. Most people who go the suit and tie route are already pretty well off.
True, but his argument was that the reason people misbehave is due to a lack of religion in people's lives which simply isn't true, and I brought up other countries to help prove my point. And like you said, crime is decreasing, especially here in America, however more and more people (mainly the younger generation) are also becoming more irreligious or simply just don't care about religion. I'll give you the Buddhist teachings, though I'm still willing to bet that some people would still find excuses and justifications to commit crimes even if they followed Buddhism. If a person wants to commit a crime they are going to do it regardless whether they are religious or not.
No, that is not what I'm talking about.
And please do not compare me to those people in Iran, because I am not like them.
I'm not even of that nationality!
I'm referencing some old school tactics that use to be done here in the USA.
For example, forcing people to get married after there has been a pregnancy, it is something that use to be enforced back in the day, here in America.
And, it was a good thing, because it made people accountable for what they did.
Having a child, whether on purpose or otherwise, is a very serious deal.
And it's hardly fair for the mom to shoulder all the responsibility.
It use be called a shotgun wedding, and it was founded on the belief that premarital sex was wrong.
Now I'm not saying premarital sex is wrong, but if a pregnancy does result, then the parents should be forced to raise the child together.
(The term "shotgun wedding" is an American colloquialism, though it is also used in other parts of the world. It is based on a hyperbolicscenario in which the pregnant female's father resorts to coercion (such as threatening with a shotgun) to ensure that the male partner who caused the pregnancy goes through with it, sometimes even following the man to the altar to prevent his escape. The use of violent coercion to marry is no longer legal in the United States, although many anecdotal stories and folk songs record instances of such intimidation in the 18th and 19th centuries. Purposes of the wedding include recourse from the male for the act of impregnation and to ensure that the child is raised by both parents as well as to ensure that the woman has material means of support. In some cases, a major objective was the restoring of social honor to the mother.)
Outlawing abortion all together, there are many who feel it should be.
Even in the case of rape, yes rape is a terrible thing, but it still does NOT justify murder.
By doing that, the mother is essentially taking her grief out on the child, and that is wrong.
Two wrongs do not make a right!
And I'm not the only one who feels that way.
The idea of bringing back the chain gangs, is to ensure that the people who commit crime do not get basically a free pass.
Besides you have all that manpower, so why not put it toward servicing society?
There is NOTHING cruel about forcing these people to work, doing hard laboring jobs that benefit our society.
As for the idea of putting all these criminals in army tents, there's a prison warden in Arizona who does just that.
And it makes sense!
And the idea of castration of all these child molesters, after what they've done to their victim, why should their human rights be observed after they've violated the human rights of another, in this case a child?
I sincerely hope you're not defending them!
Can't put this any better.