But what if the person was raped and doesn't want to get married, or way simpler; they just don't feel like it. How would it be good for the kid if they don't want to be together? It seems like a recipe for disaster.
Also shouldn't prisoners be helped and taken care of instead of treated like dogs in cages. The purpose of jail is rehabilitation just as much as it is protecting other citizens.
Also it seems kind of edgy to cut someone's prick off because they raped. We should just cut someone's hands off if they assault someone. Dismemberment is barbaric.
No, that is not what I'm talking about.
And please do not compare me to those people in Iran, because I am not like them.
I'm not even of … morethat nationality!
I'm referencing some old school tactics that use to be done here in the USA.
For example, forcing people to get married after there has been a pregnancy, it is something that use to be enforced back in the day, here in America.
And, it was a good thing, because it made people accountable for what they did.
Having a child, whether on purpose or otherwise, is a very serious deal.
And it's hardly fair for the mom to shoulder all the responsibility.
It use be called a shotgun wedding, and it was founded on the belief that premarital sex was wrong.
Now I'm not saying premarital sex is wrong, but if a pregnancy does result, then the parents should be forced to raise the child together.
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As I said, for the crime of rape, I think they should be executed.
People who go into prison often come out worse than they were when they went in.
And which is more barbaric?
Dismemberment of a man who raped a child?
Or the rape of the child itself, something the child will have to live with forever?
But what if the person was raped and doesn't want to get married, or way simpler; they just don't feel like it. How would it be good for the… more kid if they don't want to be together? It seems like a recipe for disaster.
Also shouldn't prisoners be helped and taken care of instead of treated like dogs in cages. The purpose of jail is rehabilitation just as much as it is protecting other citizens.
Also it seems kind of edgy to cut someone's prick off because they raped. We should just cut someone's hands off if they assault someone. Dismemberment is barbaric.
As I said, for the crime of rape, I think they should be executed.
People who go into prison often come out worse than they were when the… morey went in.
And which is more barbaric?
Dismemberment of a man who raped a child?
Or the rape of the child itself, something the child will have to live with forever?
Exactly!
But it sends a powerful message that that behavior is wrong, and it will not be tolerated.
Basically, the perpetrator would bring it on himself.
That's because the jail system in America is fucked up, and they treat prisoners like shit. If they emphasised helping instead of restraining, criminals would start getting better. There are countries that pulled it off.
Both are barbaric, but because someone was barbaric doesn't mean you have to be barbaric to him and cut his dick off. That's why we have jails.
As I said, for the crime of rape, I think they should be executed.
People who go into prison often come out worse than they were when the… morey went in.
And which is more barbaric?
Dismemberment of a man who raped a child?
Or the rape of the child itself, something the child will have to live with forever?
What you're proposing is a state that regulates its citizens' personal lives, discourages secularism and resorts to barbaric punishments when people step out of line. Forgive me, but it sounds suspiciously like the Christian Caliphate of Kenny/Lee.
It's certainly not an America I'd want to live in.
No, that is not what I'm talking about.
And please do not compare me to those people in Iran, because I am not like them.
I'm not even of … morethat nationality!
I'm referencing some old school tactics that use to be done here in the USA.
For example, forcing people to get married after there has been a pregnancy, it is something that use to be enforced back in the day, here in America.
And, it was a good thing, because it made people accountable for what they did.
Having a child, whether on purpose or otherwise, is a very serious deal.
And it's hardly fair for the mom to shoulder all the responsibility.
It use be called a shotgun wedding, and it was founded on the belief that premarital sex was wrong.
Now I'm not saying premarital sex is wrong, but if a pregnancy does result, then the parents should be forced to raise the child together.
(The term "shotgun wedding" is an American colloquialism, though it is also used in other parts o… [view original content]
Exactly!
But it sends a powerful message that that behavior is wrong, and it will not be tolerated.
Basically, the perpetrator would bring it on himself.
Despite the Supreme Court's ruling on homosexual marriage, I think that people of faith should not be forced to participate in an event that goes against their conscience
They're not being forced though. As far as I know, religious institutions are not forced to perform gay marriages.
Thread: What kind of changes would you like to see in our Justice system?
I'd like to see:
1- The crimes of Rape and Murder be punis… morehable by death.
As well as the crime of dealing Crack, Meth, Heroin, as many of the people who deal those drugs often target children.
2 - The crime of child molestation be punished by castration.
It would prevent a possible re-offense by the offending party, as well as send a very strong and clear message that there are severe consequences for this type of heinous crime.
We as a society say we hate child molesters?
Then let's act like it!
3 - For the crime of theft, I'd like to see the thieves be sentenced to hard labor, doing different jobs for the community, much like the chain-gangs use to do back in the day.
Why should they be allowed to sit on their butt in jail and do nothing, after they stole from an average working citizen?
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Depends on which religion you're talking about. Even as a Christian (not a very "good" one though, since I don't agree with many of the rules), I can say that the Bible hasn't exactly been the best source of information when it comes to obeying the law, and it definitely hasn't halted wrongdoers in their tracks in the past. Greed and murder are both forbidden, yet some of the greediest men ever claimed to be devout Christians, and no book has managed to stop them from killing innocent people (Crusades, anyone?). The Bible says to defend the weak, yet it's no surprise that children are being molested behind closed doors by the ones who are supposed to bring the light of God into a cruel, unholy world.
Believe it or not, we humans are a pretty amazing species. We have complex emotions (empathy being one that keeps people from committing crimes). We have the ability to think for ourselves and make moral choices while learning from the mistakes of others. People can believe in a god if they want to, but we aren't robots - we don't need instructions or a list of do's and don'ts to keep us in line.
And we wonder why folks are misbehaving.
Perhaps it might have something to do with the lack of religion in peoples lives. Just say… moreing, the last 30-40 years, we wanted to seperate our nation from religion, one good thing about religion encourages good behavior, now we don't have that.
Depends on which religion you're talking about. Even as a Christian (not a very "good" one though, since I don't agree with many of the rule… mores), I can say that the Bible hasn't exactly been the best source of information when it comes to obeying the law, and it definitely hasn't halted wrongdoers in their tracks in the past. Greed and murder are both forbidden, yet some of the greediest men ever claimed to be devout Christians, and no book has managed to stop them from killing innocent people (Crusades, anyone?). The Bible says to defend the weak, yet it's no surprise that children are being molested behind closed doors by the ones who are supposed to bring the light of God into a cruel, unholy world.
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but the United States reputation abroad has improved under Obama.
Who respects Murica? Not Russia, Not Iran. Again who? The weakest man we have ever had for president. All he does is want to appease people with words and money, but in life not everyone thinks like Obama. We are not all rich black guys who pretend we are poor, to get elected. Like take Vladimir Putin, ex KJB linked to multiple homicides. Ok, this guy doesn't respect Obama at all, because he knows he can do whatever he wants, and all Obama will do is talk about it.
Trump is rash, needlessly disrespectful and casually racist
Trump is a smart man, he knows how to play the game. He knows that people are tired of PC bullshit and just want to see America fixed. He might be all those things, but guess what people are sick and tired of Illegal aliens. In Columbus its a sanctuary city, for any illegal to live here. Illegals can't own property but they can have a drivers license. That makes sense.
No, there have been serious blunders, but the United States reputation abroad has improved under Obama.
Trump is rash, needlessly disresp… moreectful and casually racist. Three qualities that are anathema to good diplomacy (and good governance in general).
But alas, we're veering off topic.
and no book has managed to stop them from killing innocent people (Crusades, anyone?).
innocent Muslims??? Hrmm..... I don't know about that. I don't think Christians would of went there for the weather.
Despite the Supreme Court's ruling on homosexual marriage, I think that people of faith should not be forced to participate in an event that… more goes against their conscience
They're not being forced though. As far as I know, religious institutions are not forced to perform gay marriages.
Like he said, their not being forced to conduct gay marriage.
However they are in violation of civil rights laws, which prohibit businesses from refusing service to certain kinds of customers.
Every time I hear social conservatives whining about "attacks on religious rights", I throw up in my mouth a little. You can bet that they're the same people who'd go apeshit if a Muslim bakery refused to make a cake for some catholic kid's confirmation party.
They're not being forced?
Than how do you explain this?
Baker in Colorado forced to bake wedding cake for homosexual couple
And now it … morelooks like the Colorado baker could even face jail time.
And the incident in Colorado is not an isolated case.
In Oregon, similar incidences are also popping up.
Oregon bakery sued for refusing to bake a wedding cake for lesbian couple
Oregon Bakey owners might lose their home for refusing to make a wedding cake for lesbian couple, due to religious beliefs
Andit's also happening in Ireland.
Irish Baker refuses to bake gay wedding cake, based on religious beliefs
Irish Bakery owner found guilty of discrimination for refusing to bake a wedding cake for homosexual couple
So they're not being forced?
Evidence points to the contrary!
(Incidentally I do not know why some of the videos posted twice.)
Who respects Murica? Not Russia, Not Iran. Again who?
Our allies and strategic partners. Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Canada, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Brazil, Australia, need I name more?
The weakest man we have ever had for president. All he does is want to appease people with words and money.
Soft power is the keystone of effective diplomacy. You can't solve every problem by thumping your chest like an ape and bombing countries you don't like. I know it's Donald's specialty, but It's certainly not a good way to make friends.
but in life not everyone thinks like Obama. We are not all rich black guys who pretend we are poor, to get elected.
How willfully ignorant are you? Obama never ran on a "I'm a poor black man" platform. He was a senator for Christ's sake. It was refreshing for a lot of people, to see a Presidential candidate who doesn't come from old white money.
Like take Vladimir Putin, ex KJB linked to multiple homicides. Ok, this guy doesn't respect Obama at all, because he knows he can do whatever he wants.
True. Just like his predecessor, Dubya who allowed Russia to invade and occupy Georgia (a NATO member!) and only responded with a words of "condemnation". So run that bullshit line by me again.
Trump is a smart man, he knows how to play the game.
He knows fuck-all about government and managed to almost drive daddy's successful business into the ground on numerous occasions.
He might be all those things, but guess what people are sick and tired of Illegal aliens. In Columbus its a sanctuary city, for any illegal to live here.
Guess what George, we have much bigger problems. The majority of people, including Republicans in congress agree with that, at least to a degree. Besides, what plan does he have for this besides "WE BUILD BIG WALL MAKE MEXICO PAY". Like that'll ever happen. Mexico is in the middle of a decade-long civil war, in case you hadn't noticed.
Trump is 1% Policy, 99% rhetoric and hot air. He's barely fit to give a speech, let alone run a country. I'm also surprised that you, as a veteran, would support a draft dodger who heavily implied that he thinks POW's are cowards.
but the United States reputation abroad has improved under Obama.
Who respects Murica? Not Russia, Not Iran. Again who? The weakest… more man we have ever had for president. All he does is want to appease people with words and money, but in life not everyone thinks like Obama. We are not all rich black guys who pretend we are poor, to get elected. Like take Vladimir Putin, ex KJB linked to multiple homicides. Ok, this guy doesn't respect Obama at all, because he knows he can do whatever he wants, and all Obama will do is talk about it.
Trump is rash, needlessly disrespectful and casually racist
Trump is a smart man, he knows how to play the game. He knows that people are tired of PC bullshit and just want to see America fixed. He might be all those things, but guess what people are sick and tired of Illegal aliens. In Columbus its a sanctuary city, for any illegal to live here. Illegals can't own property but they can have a drivers license. That makes sense.
Firstly, they are not being forced to preside over and validate a marriage.
Secondly, the arguement you are presenting validates discrimination. How are these people refusing service to others because of their sexual orientation any different than the racist men who refused non-caucasian people service during the time of the Jim Crow laws?
Also, the USA did not declare independence from the British Empire for the sake of religeous rights (Both places were mostly Protestant and Catholic). They did so rather due to the fact that the then-colony had amassed a sense of national identity and that the British imposed many high taxes.
They're not being forced?
Than how do you explain this?
Baker in Colorado forced to bake wedding cake for homosexual couple
And now it … morelooks like the Colorado baker could even face jail time.
And the incident in Colorado is not an isolated case.
In Oregon, similar incidences are also popping up.
Oregon bakery sued for refusing to bake a wedding cake for lesbian couple
Oregon Bakey owners might lose their home for refusing to make a wedding cake for lesbian couple, due to religious beliefs
Andit's also happening in Ireland.
Irish Baker refuses to bake gay wedding cake, based on religious beliefs
Irish Bakery owner found guilty of discrimination for refusing to bake a wedding cake for homosexual couple
So they're not being forced?
Evidence points to the contrary!
(Incidentally I do not know why some of the videos posted twice.)
No, but they didn't just sail to the Holy Land to kill Muslims. When the Catholic Church traveled to capture Jerusalem during the first Crusade, they attacked French and German cities that held many Jewish communities. In fact, the Jews were considered even more of a threat than the Muslims because they were closer to home than the Holy Land was. And yes, innocent. The only "wrongdoing" these people had committed were that they had the audacity to believe in something other than the Roman Catholic Church.
During the second Crusade, the Church authorized a crusade to sack Lisbon and execute Moorish civilians, and in the Cathar genocide they called for a crusade to exterminate the Albigensians simply because of their superstitious beliefs. Innocent men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces. Civilians were also butchered during the sack of Béziers.
and no book has managed to stop them from killing innocent people (Crusades, anyone?).
innocent Muslims??? Hrmm..... I don't know about that. I don't think Christians would of went there for the weather.
Firstly, The Russian Federation and Iran have not had good relations towards the US for the better part of the last fifty years (close to 100 in Russia's case). However, the relations between the US and its allies (e.g. us) have improved considerably while he has been in office.
Secondly, I would hazard to guess that you believe him to be a weak politician because he uses diplomacy instead of shows of aggression? Modern politics live off diplomacy. You simply cannot walk about showing off your power and demanding respect like a dictator, as it will make your image look bad, and thus taint your allies out of association. Your allies would leave you one by one.
Speaking of dictators, while I would not go so far as call Putin a dictator, he has so much more power over the Federal Assembly
than all other US presidents ever had over Congress. He has more room and strength of which to exercise with within his country.
Trump may be smart, but that is the world of economics. This is politics: an entirely different ball game, Loudness and bluntness is not the way to get the job done most of the time. If you do not believe me, ask Kim Jong-un, King John, Hideki Tojo or Adolf Hitler.
but the United States reputation abroad has improved under Obama.
Who respects Murica? Not Russia, Not Iran. Again who? The weakest… more man we have ever had for president. All he does is want to appease people with words and money, but in life not everyone thinks like Obama. We are not all rich black guys who pretend we are poor, to get elected. Like take Vladimir Putin, ex KJB linked to multiple homicides. Ok, this guy doesn't respect Obama at all, because he knows he can do whatever he wants, and all Obama will do is talk about it.
Trump is rash, needlessly disrespectful and casually racist
Trump is a smart man, he knows how to play the game. He knows that people are tired of PC bullshit and just want to see America fixed. He might be all those things, but guess what people are sick and tired of Illegal aliens. In Columbus its a sanctuary city, for any illegal to live here. Illegals can't own property but they can have a drivers license. That makes sense.
So we consistently see lower amounts of crime across the board (I would say in all facets of crime, but I'm not sure on that, so I'll say most) so we should stop what we are doing and revert to more barbaric means of intimidation and punishment?
Exactly!
But it sends a powerful message that that behavior is wrong, and it will not be tolerated.
Basically, the perpetrator would bring it on himself.
I may sound as if I am parroting when I say this, but the reason so many criminals come out of jail to reoffend in the US is because the US judicial system has a larger emphisise on punishment versus rehabilitation. It is like with a child, as my mother says: "If you focus on punishing the child for their behaviour, they will only resent you in return. If you try to encourage them not to, they are more inclined to follow."
People respond aggresively to negativity, respond encouraged to positivity and respond aspiring to advance to constructive critisism. There has to be balance in the system.
As I said, for the crime of rape, I think they should be executed.
People who go into prison often come out worse than they were when the… morey went in.
And which is more barbaric?
Dismemberment of a man who raped a child?
Or the rape of the child itself, something the child will have to live with forever?
innocent Muslims???
Christians would of went there for the weather
No, but they didn't just sail to the Holy Land to kill Mus… morelims. When the Catholic Church traveled to capture Jerusalem during the first Crusade, they attacked French and German cities that held many Jewish communities. In fact, the Jews were considered even more of a threat than the Muslims because they were closer to home than the Holy Land was. And yes, innocent. The only "wrongdoing" these people had committed were that they had the audacity to believe in something other than the Roman Catholic Church.
During the second Crusade, the Church authorized a crusade to sack Lisbon and execute Moorish civilians, and in the Cathar genocide they called for a crusade to exterminate the Albigensians simply because of their superstitious beliefs. Innocent men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces. Civilians were also butchered during the sack of Béziers.
So we consistently see lower amounts of crime across the board (I would say in all facets of crime, but I'm not sure on that, so I'll say mo… morest) so we should stop what we are doing and revert to more barbaric means of intimidation and punishment?
Why?
True. Just like his predecessor, Dubya who allowed Russia to invade and occupy Georgia (a NATO member!) and only responded with a words of "condemnation". So run that bullshit line by me again.
Who respects Murica? Not Russia, Not Iran. Again who?
Our allies and strategic partners. Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, C… moreanada, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Brazil, Australia, need I name more?
The weakest man we have ever had for president. All he does is want to appease people with words and money.
Soft power is the keystone of effective diplomacy. You can't solve every problem by thumping your chest like an ape and bombing countries you don't like. I know it's Donald's specialty, but It's certainly not a good way to make friends.
but in life not everyone thinks like Obama. We are not all rich black guys who pretend we are poor, to get elected.
How willfully ignorant are you? Obama never ran on a "I'm a poor black man" platform. He was a senator for Christ's sake. It was refreshing for a lot of people, to see a Presidential candidate who doesn't come from old white money.
Like take Vladimi… [view original content]
Huh, you're right. I could've sworn they were. I know we have some kind of strategic partnership. The point still stands, the U.S has a long track record of not directly confronting Putin.
True. Just like his predecessor, Dubya who allowed Russia to invade and occupy Georgia (a NATO member!) and only responded with a words of "condemnation". So run that bullshit line by me again.
Georgia isn't a NATO member.
Yeah, and that's too bad. He can't be dealt with by using sanctions alone and the U.S. has both the means and influence to deal with him. But they don't.
Huh, you're right. I could've sworn they were. I know we have some kind of strategic partnership. The point still stands, the U.S has a long track record of not directly confronting Putin.
How though? How do you deal with him without causing a huge, violent confrontation? The only way we've really managed to control him is by taking away Russia's sphere of influence. It's an effective strategy, but has made him even more volatile.
Yeah, and that's too bad. He can't be dealt with by using sanctions alone and the U.S. has both the means and influence to deal with him. But they don't.
I may sound as if I am parroting when I say this, but the reason so many criminals come out of jail to reoffend in the US is because the US … morejudicial system has a larger emphisise on punishment versus rehabilitation. It is like with a child, as my mother says: "If you focus on punishing the child for their behaviour, they will only resent you in return. If you try to encourage them not to, they are more inclined to follow."
People respond aggresively to negativity, respond encouraged to positivity and respond aspiring to advance to constructive critisism. There has to be balance in the system.
So what? Should we give no prisoners a chance because some of the can't be reformed.
I don't care if they're murderers. Give them a task, teach them how to read or how to do a trade, let them find some meaning in their imprisonment. When you stop treating people like animals, great things can happen.
How though? How do you deal with him without causing a huge, violent confrontation? The only way we've really managed to control him is by taking away Russia's sphere of influence. It's an effective strategy, but has made him even more volatile.
Abortion can be terrible, I agree. However, people who are too young and don't want a baby should have another option. If two sixteen year olds have sex and then a pregnancy occurs, they can't be married legally yet, and they're too young for a baby. The option still needs to exist.
Thread: What kind of changes would you like to see in our Justice system?
I'd like to see:
1- The crimes of Rape and Murder be punis… morehable by death.
As well as the crime of dealing Crack, Meth, Heroin, as many of the people who deal those drugs often target children.
2 - The crime of child molestation be punished by castration.
It would prevent a possible re-offense by the offending party, as well as send a very strong and clear message that there are severe consequences for this type of heinous crime.
We as a society say we hate child molesters?
Then let's act like it!
3 - For the crime of theft, I'd like to see the thieves be sentenced to hard labor, doing different jobs for the community, much like the chain-gangs use to do back in the day.
Why should they be allowed to sit on their butt in jail and do nothing, after they stole from an average working citizen?
The only thing with that is, I'd like to see that there be re… [view original content]
Despite the Supreme Court's ruling on homosexual marriage, I think that people of faith should not be forced to participate in an event that… more goes against their conscience
They're not being forced though. As far as I know, religious institutions are not forced to perform gay marriages.
Abortion can be terrible, I agree. However, people who are too young and don't want a baby should have another option. If two sixteen year o… morelds have sex and then a pregnancy occurs, they can't be married legally yet, and they're too young for a baby. The option still needs to exist.
Personally I'm okay with gay marriage, but we fucking fought for religious beliefs, and I can see that the Government doesn't give a shit about anyone.
They're not being forced?
Than how do you explain this?
Baker in Colorado forced to bake wedding cake for homosexual couple
And now it … morelooks like the Colorado baker could even face jail time.
And the incident in Colorado is not an isolated case.
In Oregon, similar incidences are also popping up.
Oregon bakery sued for refusing to bake a wedding cake for lesbian couple
Oregon Bakey owners might lose their home for refusing to make a wedding cake for lesbian couple, due to religious beliefs
Andit's also happening in Ireland.
Irish Baker refuses to bake gay wedding cake, based on religious beliefs
Irish Bakery owner found guilty of discrimination for refusing to bake a wedding cake for homosexual couple
So they're not being forced?
Evidence points to the contrary!
(Incidentally I do not know why some of the videos posted twice.)
I agree, abortion should be outlawed. It's messed up to murder a child, and there is no way to justify it. Also, on the case of Rape, just set the child for adoption, better than killing it.
Shotgun marriage? I'm honestly conflicted on that. The people should raise that child, but I also think that adoption may be the better option. Though, if you fuck up, you fuck up. People should live with that, instead of setting it away as if it was nothing.
And Child Molesters? I say they should get the death sentence.
I feel like the making a prisoner work should be a option for the prisoner, because some people just can't handle working for a long while. Granted, I'd work just to help my country.
No, that is not what I'm talking about.
And please do not compare me to those people in Iran, because I am not like them.
I'm not even of … morethat nationality!
I'm referencing some old school tactics that use to be done here in the USA.
For example, forcing people to get married after there has been a pregnancy, it is something that use to be enforced back in the day, here in America.
And, it was a good thing, because it made people accountable for what they did.
Having a child, whether on purpose or otherwise, is a very serious deal.
And it's hardly fair for the mom to shoulder all the responsibility.
It use be called a shotgun wedding, and it was founded on the belief that premarital sex was wrong.
Now I'm not saying premarital sex is wrong, but if a pregnancy does result, then the parents should be forced to raise the child together.
(The term "shotgun wedding" is an American colloquialism, though it is also used in other parts o… [view original content]
That's bullshit.
Personally I'm okay with gay marriage, but we fucking fought for religious beliefs, and I can see that the Government doesn't give a shit about anyone.
It IS confusing, which causes a lot of misconceptions. Until a couple weeks ago, I didn't even realize that "right to refuse" had been struck down by the civil rights act.
How willfully ignorant are you? Obama never ran on a "I'm a poor black man" platform. He was a senator for Christ's sake. It was refreshing for a lot of people, to see a Presidential candidate who doesn't come from old white money.
Yeah i'm sure he didn't get any money from old white people, and you are questioning my ignorance. Classy.
Who respects Murica? Not Russia, Not Iran. Again who?
Our allies and strategic partners. Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, C… moreanada, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Brazil, Australia, need I name more?
The weakest man we have ever had for president. All he does is want to appease people with words and money.
Soft power is the keystone of effective diplomacy. You can't solve every problem by thumping your chest like an ape and bombing countries you don't like. I know it's Donald's specialty, but It's certainly not a good way to make friends.
but in life not everyone thinks like Obama. We are not all rich black guys who pretend we are poor, to get elected.
How willfully ignorant are you? Obama never ran on a "I'm a poor black man" platform. He was a senator for Christ's sake. It was refreshing for a lot of people, to see a Presidential candidate who doesn't come from old white money.
Like take Vladimi… [view original content]
How willfully ignorant are you? Obama never ran on a "I'm a poor black man" platform. He was a senator for Christ's sake. It was refreshing … morefor a lot of people, to see a Presidential candidate who doesn't come from old white money.
Yeah i'm sure he didn't get any money from old white people, and you are questioning my ignorance. Classy.
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But what if the person was raped and doesn't want to get married, or way simpler; they just don't feel like it. How would it be good for the kid if they don't want to be together? It seems like a recipe for disaster.
Also shouldn't prisoners be helped and taken care of instead of treated like dogs in cages. The purpose of jail is rehabilitation just as much as it is protecting other citizens.
Also it seems kind of edgy to cut someone's prick off because they raped. We should just cut someone's hands off if they assault someone. Dismemberment is barbaric.
As I said, for the crime of rape, I think they should be executed.
People who go into prison often come out worse than they were when they went in.
And which is more barbaric?
Dismemberment of a man who raped a child?
Or the rape of the child itself, something the child will have to live with forever?
The person who gets dismembered has to live with it forever too.
Exactly!
But it sends a powerful message that that behavior is wrong, and it will not be tolerated.
Basically, the perpetrator would bring it on himself.
That's because the jail system in America is fucked up, and they treat prisoners like shit. If they emphasised helping instead of restraining, criminals would start getting better. There are countries that pulled it off.
Both are barbaric, but because someone was barbaric doesn't mean you have to be barbaric to him and cut his dick off. That's why we have jails.
What you're proposing is a state that regulates its citizens' personal lives, discourages secularism and resorts to barbaric punishments when people step out of line. Forgive me, but it sounds suspiciously like the Christian Caliphate of Kenny/Lee.
It's certainly not an America I'd want to live in.
Why not just put their heads on a spike and be done with it.
They're not being forced though. As far as I know, religious institutions are not forced to perform gay marriages.
Depends on which religion you're talking about. Even as a Christian (not a very "good" one though, since I don't agree with many of the rules), I can say that the Bible hasn't exactly been the best source of information when it comes to obeying the law, and it definitely hasn't halted wrongdoers in their tracks in the past. Greed and murder are both forbidden, yet some of the greediest men ever claimed to be devout Christians, and no book has managed to stop them from killing innocent people (Crusades, anyone?). The Bible says to defend the weak, yet it's no surprise that children are being molested behind closed doors by the ones who are supposed to bring the light of God into a cruel, unholy world.
Believe it or not, we humans are a pretty amazing species. We have complex emotions (empathy being one that keeps people from committing crimes). We have the ability to think for ourselves and make moral choices while learning from the mistakes of others. People can believe in a god if they want to, but we aren't robots - we don't need instructions or a list of do's and don'ts to keep us in line.
innocent Muslims??? Hrmm..... I don't know about that. I don't think Christians would of went there for the weather.
Who respects Murica? Not Russia, Not Iran. Again who? The weakest man we have ever had for president. All he does is want to appease people with words and money, but in life not everyone thinks like Obama. We are not all rich black guys who pretend we are poor, to get elected. Like take Vladimir Putin, ex KJB linked to multiple homicides. Ok, this guy doesn't respect Obama at all, because he knows he can do whatever he wants, and all Obama will do is talk about it.
Trump is a smart man, he knows how to play the game. He knows that people are tired of PC bullshit and just want to see America fixed. He might be all those things, but guess what people are sick and tired of Illegal aliens. In Columbus its a sanctuary city, for any illegal to live here. Illegals can't own property but they can have a drivers license. That makes sense.
They presumably went there to help the Byzantine Empire fend off the Turks. Then they went to "reclaim" the Holy Land from the Mamluks.
In that situation, the crusaders were basically foreign raiders, plundering and sacking cities.
Of course, the Islamic realm paid the Europeans back in kind, when they annexed everything from Greece to southern Poland for hundreds of years.
They're not being forced?
Than how do you explain this?
Baker in Colorado forced to bake wedding cake for homosexual couple
And now it looks like the Colorado baker could even face jail time.
And the incident in Colorado is not an isolated case.
In Oregon, similar incidences are also popping up.
Oregon bakery sued for refusing to bake a wedding cake for lesbian couple
Oregon Bakey owners might lose their home for refusing to make a wedding cake for lesbian couple, due to religious beliefs
Andit's also happening in Ireland.
Irish Baker refuses to bake gay wedding cake, based on religious beliefs
Irish Bakery owner found guilty of discrimination for refusing to bake a wedding cake for homosexual couple
So they're not being forced?
Evidence points to the contrary!
(Incidentally I do not know why some of the videos posted twice.)
Like he said, their not being forced to conduct gay marriage.
However they are in violation of civil rights laws, which prohibit businesses from refusing service to certain kinds of customers.
Every time I hear social conservatives whining about "attacks on religious rights", I throw up in my mouth a little. You can bet that they're the same people who'd go apeshit if a Muslim bakery refused to make a cake for some catholic kid's confirmation party.
Our allies and strategic partners. Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Canada, Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Brazil, Australia, need I name more?
Soft power is the keystone of effective diplomacy. You can't solve every problem by thumping your chest like an ape and bombing countries you don't like. I know it's Donald's specialty, but It's certainly not a good way to make friends.
How willfully ignorant are you? Obama never ran on a "I'm a poor black man" platform. He was a senator for Christ's sake. It was refreshing for a lot of people, to see a Presidential candidate who doesn't come from old white money.
True. Just like his predecessor, Dubya who allowed Russia to invade and occupy Georgia (a NATO member!) and only responded with a words of "condemnation". So run that bullshit line by me again.
He knows fuck-all about government and managed to almost drive daddy's successful business into the ground on numerous occasions.
Guess what George, we have much bigger problems. The majority of people, including Republicans in congress agree with that, at least to a degree. Besides, what plan does he have for this besides "WE BUILD BIG WALL MAKE MEXICO PAY". Like that'll ever happen. Mexico is in the middle of a decade-long civil war, in case you hadn't noticed.
Trump is 1% Policy, 99% rhetoric and hot air. He's barely fit to give a speech, let alone run a country. I'm also surprised that you, as a veteran, would support a draft dodger who heavily implied that he thinks POW's are cowards.
Firstly, they are not being forced to preside over and validate a marriage.
Secondly, the arguement you are presenting validates discrimination. How are these people refusing service to others because of their sexual orientation any different than the racist men who refused non-caucasian people service during the time of the Jim Crow laws?
Also, the USA did not declare independence from the British Empire for the sake of religeous rights (Both places were mostly Protestant and Catholic). They did so rather due to the fact that the then-colony had amassed a sense of national identity and that the British imposed many high taxes.
No, but they didn't just sail to the Holy Land to kill Muslims. When the Catholic Church traveled to capture Jerusalem during the first Crusade, they attacked French and German cities that held many Jewish communities. In fact, the Jews were considered even more of a threat than the Muslims because they were closer to home than the Holy Land was. And yes, innocent. The only "wrongdoing" these people had committed were that they had the audacity to believe in something other than the Roman Catholic Church.
During the second Crusade, the Church authorized a crusade to sack Lisbon and execute Moorish civilians, and in the Cathar genocide they called for a crusade to exterminate the Albigensians simply because of their superstitious beliefs. Innocent men, women and children were butchered by the Pope's forces. Civilians were also butchered during the sack of Béziers.
Firstly, The Russian Federation and Iran have not had good relations towards the US for the better part of the last fifty years (close to 100 in Russia's case). However, the relations between the US and its allies (e.g. us) have improved considerably while he has been in office.
Secondly, I would hazard to guess that you believe him to be a weak politician because he uses diplomacy instead of shows of aggression? Modern politics live off diplomacy. You simply cannot walk about showing off your power and demanding respect like a dictator, as it will make your image look bad, and thus taint your allies out of association. Your allies would leave you one by one.
Speaking of dictators, while I would not go so far as call Putin a dictator, he has so much more power over the Federal Assembly
than all other US presidents ever had over Congress. He has more room and strength of which to exercise with within his country.
Trump may be smart, but that is the world of economics. This is politics: an entirely different ball game, Loudness and bluntness is not the way to get the job done most of the time. If you do not believe me, ask Kim Jong-un, King John, Hideki Tojo or Adolf Hitler.
So we consistently see lower amounts of crime across the board (I would say in all facets of crime, but I'm not sure on that, so I'll say most) so we should stop what we are doing and revert to more barbaric means of intimidation and punishment?
Why?
I may sound as if I am parroting when I say this, but the reason so many criminals come out of jail to reoffend in the US is because the US judicial system has a larger emphisise on punishment versus rehabilitation. It is like with a child, as my mother says: "If you focus on punishing the child for their behaviour, they will only resent you in return. If you try to encourage them not to, they are more inclined to follow."
People respond aggresively to negativity, respond encouraged to positivity and respond aspiring to advance to constructive critisism. There has to be balance in the system.
You know what, nevermind its dumb.
Because Bill O'Reilly said so. He's an expert on everything, you know.
Georgia isn't a NATO member.
Huh, you're right. I could've sworn they were. I know we have some kind of strategic partnership. The point still stands, the U.S has a long track record of not directly confronting Putin.
Yeah, and that's too bad. He can't be dealt with by using sanctions alone and the U.S. has both the means and influence to deal with him. But they don't.
How though? How do you deal with him without causing a huge, violent confrontation? The only way we've really managed to control him is by taking away Russia's sphere of influence. It's an effective strategy, but has made him even more volatile.
But on the other hand, there are some people that cannot be reformed.
So what? Should we give no prisoners a chance because some of the can't be reformed.
I don't care if they're murderers. Give them a task, teach them how to read or how to do a trade, let them find some meaning in their imprisonment. When you stop treating people like animals, great things can happen.
I don't know, really. I'll just say that he'd become volatile no matter what.
You cannot know that until you try to reform them.
Abortion can be terrible, I agree. However, people who are too young and don't want a baby should have another option. If two sixteen year olds have sex and then a pregnancy occurs, they can't be married legally yet, and they're too young for a baby. The option still needs to exist.
Yeah, but they don't have the right to deny same-sex couples of practicing their religious rights. Poor, persecuted Christians.
How is abortion the only point that disturbed you enough to comment on lmfao.
That's bullshit.
Personally I'm okay with gay marriage, but we fucking fought for religious beliefs, and I can see that the Government doesn't give a shit about anyone.
You make some good/bad points.
I agree, abortion should be outlawed. It's messed up to murder a child, and there is no way to justify it. Also, on the case of Rape, just set the child for adoption, better than killing it.
Shotgun marriage? I'm honestly conflicted on that. The people should raise that child, but I also think that adoption may be the better option. Though, if you fuck up, you fuck up. People should live with that, instead of setting it away as if it was nothing.
And Child Molesters? I say they should get the death sentence.
I feel like the making a prisoner work should be a option for the prisoner, because some people just can't handle working for a long while. Granted, I'd work just to help my country.
This world, so confusing.
We fought for civil rights too. If a bakery can refuse to serve gays, what's keeping a resteraunt from refusing to serve blacks?
You bring up a good point Max.
(EDIT: This stuff is confusing. I think I'll stick to talking about TFTB and GOT.)
It IS confusing, which causes a lot of misconceptions. Until a couple weeks ago, I didn't even realize that "right to refuse" had been struck down by the civil rights act.
Yeah i'm sure he didn't get any money from old white people, and you are questioning my ignorance. Classy.
What I meant is that Obama isn't a W.A.S.P, like every other present besides Kennedy.
I'll admit I was a bit rude, but it IS completely ridiculous to attribute all of Obama's electoral success to his skin tone.