INSANE THEORY. AJ DIED DURING EPISODE 5?

i know it probably sounds crackpot, but I liked it when i thought of it. What if AJ died during the shoot out with the Russians and everyone was humouring Kenny and Clem because their mental health was about to crack. Clem's personality was dissociative, unemotional, and just distant from things, while Kenny was looking for whatever he could find to give him purpose. If they realised AJ was dead then neither of them would have reason to live, especially as Clem inadvertently caused the shootout which killed him.

This is why AJ was so quiet and didn't need to be fed and This is why it always fell to Clem to look after the baby. No one wanted to hold a dead baby. This is why Bonnie and Mike saw no problem with sentencing a baby to die. This is why Jane was so worried about Clem getting attached to the kid and why she refused to hold it until Clem forced her. Jane, not wanting to crush Clem's belief, pretends that the baby pukes on her, and Clem, being delusional, sees the puke go on Jane.
At the end, Jane tries to show Clem and Kenny that the baby isn't alive, but disguises it as she's trying to show Clem what Kenny is really like. Of course, it all goes wrong, and shit hits the fan. When Kenny is dead, Clem suddenly hears the baby crying. It's here where Jane realises that Clem has gone mad and opts to stay with her, allowing her to keep the baby.

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  • Yeah... insane theory is right amigo.

    The show has proven that they don't have the stones to kill a baby and I highly doubt TellTale has the stones either. And even if they did, they wouldn't do it in such a convoluted and bizarre way.

  • The show has proven that they don't have the stones to kill a baby and I highly doubt TellTale has the stones either

    Good thing is game based on comics.

    Yeah... insane theory is right amigo. The show has proven that they don't have the stones to kill a baby and I highly doubt TellTale has the stones either. And even if they did, they wouldn't do it in such a convoluted and bizarre way.

  • I'm sorry if i sound rude, but that sounds fucking stupid...

  • I know right

    I'm sorry if i sound rude, but that sounds fucking stupid...

  • Thats fucking stupid Ben

  • Not like they're going to do it regardless if it's based off of the comic or not. The comics go to some real extremes that most people just aren't ready for, video games today just scratch the surface of terrible things that can happen to children and I don't think TellTale is going to dip their hand into that bucket.

    Yemeth posted: »

    The show has proven that they don't have the stones to kill a baby and I highly doubt TellTale has the stones either Good thing is game based on comics.

  • plot shield keeps aj alive through the cold and hunger.

  • WOW

  • Well in S1 we can kill Duck and the walker kid(we even have different choices how to kill him). But game doesn't need to show how AJ dies, his death doesn't need to be graphic. I think writers can kill AJ, if they want it.

    Not like they're going to do it regardless if it's based off of the comic or not. The comics go to some real extremes that most people just

  • I like this theory. It's dark as hell, and actually kind of plausible.

  • That's just it though and my point, with Duck he's shot off-screen and the zombie kid is pointless since he's a zombie, there's no feeling attached to it, we simply won't see something as graphic as readers of the comics have seen; baby shot, kid who gets an eye blown-out from a gun but lives, kids getting beheaded. I'm not saying there needs to be graphic kills of kids or hoping AJ will die, just pointing out how the OP's theory is false and why it wouldn't happen.

    I'm sure they could kill AJ now, when/if there is a 3rd season since he'd be a couple years older but if they did it'd be something tame I bet, my point there is that we're not going to see something as brutal as that in a game right now.

    Yemeth posted: »

    Well in S1 we can kill Duck and the walker kid(we even have different choices how to kill him). But game doesn't need to show how AJ dies, his death doesn't need to be graphic. I think writers can kill AJ, if they want it.

  • There's no evidence for this theory. So no.

  • It's plausible that Clem would be carrying a dead kid with her for days?

    sialark posted: »

    I like this theory. It's dark as hell, and actually kind of plausible.

  • more plausible than Kenny surviving a herd of Walkers.

    It's plausible that Clem would be carrying a dead kid with her for days?

  • No, neither are actually.

    Anthorn posted: »

    more plausible than Kenny surviving a herd of Walkers.

  • That theory is really fucked up dude... Jesus... I love it though. I think that'd be an awesome idea.

  • video games today just scratch the surface of terrible things that can happen to children

    I'd love to refer you to 5 games that completely say otherwise. If you'd want me to.

    Not like they're going to do it regardless if it's based off of the comic or not. The comics go to some real extremes that most people just

  • It's plausible that Clem would be carrying a dead kid with her for days?

    Yup. And it's plausible that she could have hallucinated AJ being okay. A walker baby poses no threat to anybody, as it has no teeth to bite and it has no strength to attack. A newborn's fingernails too aren't likely to break the skin of an adult or even a child. Newborns can't smile a day after they're born (they have to learn how to smile from others) and so Clem probably hallucinated that too, when AJ smiled in the game. Hell, given how little AJ made sense in the game, in how little he cried and how he didn't even need to eat anything or need any diapers, this theory actually makes a ton more sense than the game canon does.

    It's plausible that Clem would be carrying a dead kid with her for days?

  • XD That's why it's called a "theory" lol.

    DoubleJump posted: »

    There's no evidence for this theory. So no.

  • Go for it, I'm all ears.

    video games today just scratch the surface of terrible things that can happen to children I'd love to refer you to 5 games that completely say otherwise. If you'd want me to.

  • The baby cried at the end of the Episode 5 and the person you picked to live would hear it with you so no, the baby is alive.

  • Works on a metaphorical level (Kenny and Clem being the only ones dumb enough to not see that the baby has no chance) but not a literal one. Neither were as far gone to start hallucinating.

  • Okay, so the whole hallucination thing stems from Clem's mental state as OP has stated before right? While she has gone through several traumatic events, don't you think it would be more likely that she would be seeing/hearing things that she's familiar with, like Lee? Why would she be hallucinating over some baby that she barely knows and hasn't grown strong feelings for? Throughout the whole season, Clem thinks back to Lee and even has a dream/memory about him, if anything or anyone would bring her comfort, it'd be him. But that's even if you believe her mind has become so fragile which I don't believe it has and there's no evidence to it. If she was hearing voices/things, seeing things, or occasionally losing consciousness I might be able to bite, but Clem appears to have it together.

    And as far as AJ crying/smiling, that's simply TellTale taking some liberties there. For most people, seeing a baby smile makes them happy and that was to make the player grow more attached. The lack of crying is the same, babies cry a lot, TellTale just didn't want to be annoying the players with the amount of crying that would normally be happening since it can be loud, and at times non-stop. And you can add the diapers onto the list of things TellTale either didn't want to bog down players with or naturally thought it was a bad idea to do, while it may have made things feel more genuine, this is a video game about zombies not nanny-simulator.

    sialark posted: »

    It's plausible that Clem would be carrying a dead kid with her for days? Yup. And it's plausible that she could have hallucinated AJ

  • Silent Hill: Homecoming, Sad Satan, Slender: The Arrival, Heavy Rain (Although Heavy Rain is more or less a kinda sorta) and Call of Duty. (I mean, just look at the poor children who play that game. They've become disgusting creatures.)

    Go for it, I'm all ears.

  • Sad Satan was a hoax from the deep webthough. At least...I think it was.

    Silent Hill: Homecoming, Sad Satan, Slender: The Arrival, Heavy Rain (Although Heavy Rain is more or less a kinda sorta) and Call of Duty. (I mean, just look at the poor children who play that game. They've become disgusting creatures.)

  • You're right about Homecoming, although I don't think we ever see the kid's deaths, just their nightmare machinations I think, (I've only seen an LP of it). Never heard of Sad Satan, I'll probably take a look and I thought the kids just went missing in Slender? And you're right about Heavy Rain too, although the kids just drown, nothing too violent which is more of what I meant.

    Rofl, you are my new favorite person on the forums for that COD bit, too true! XD

    Silent Hill: Homecoming, Sad Satan, Slender: The Arrival, Heavy Rain (Although Heavy Rain is more or less a kinda sorta) and Call of Duty. (I mean, just look at the poor children who play that game. They've become disgusting creatures.)

  • You're right about Homecoming, although I don't think we ever see the kid's deaths, just their nightmare machinations I think,

    Kinda. The story is that every kid in town is getting sacrificed by the town cult to the old gods of Silent Hill. And some fucked up shit happens to each kid.

    Never heard of Sad Satan,

    It's a disturbing game made by an insane psychopath, and it uses audio clips of molestation, murder, and satanic worship ceremonies. It's on the... eh hem... Deep web.

    I thought the kids just went missing in Slender?

    Yes, but the story of Slender: The Arrival takes it a bit too far with what happens to the kids. Murder, Slavery, etc.

    And you're right about Heavy Rain too, although the kids just drown

    True.

    Rofl, you are my new favorite person on the forums for that COD bit, too true! XD

    Well thank you. :)

    You're right about Homecoming, although I don't think we ever see the kid's deaths, just their nightmare machinations I think, (I've only se

  • There were two versions, the fake version with artificial sounds created by a sane person. And the real version on the Deep Web created by one fucked up bastard.

    Sad Satan was a hoax from the deep webthough. At least...I think it was.

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  • Kind of implausible , don't you think , considering Jane. She doesn't seem like the type to sugarcoat that kind of thing happening.

  • "But the baby was dead all along!!" Hahaha. Sorry but this sounds like a twist fit for The Twilight Zone, not The Walking Dead.

    Think on how Mike was holding the baby as he was crossing the ice. Was he pretending then to, as you say, humor Kenny and Clem?

    Plus, the other characters only seem to respond to Kenny's 'irrational' behaviour, whereas they talked about this at length with Clem and treated her normally, for the most part.

  • Directed by: M. Night Shyamalan.

  • Oh ;; I think the one someordinarygamers played was the real version but i wasn't sure if it was real.

    There were two versions, the fake version with artificial sounds created by a sane person. And the real version on the Deep Web created by one fucked up bastard.

  • the problem with this theory is, if Clem was imagining the baby crying in the car after the fight, how did she know exactly where to run to to find him?

  • well, if we're being technical, the word theory means it's backed up by a whole bunch of evidence and is generally known as a law, but not quite there. This is more of a hypothesis.

    sialark posted: »

    XD That's why it's called a "theory" lol.

  • edited November 2015

    Oh for goodness' sake. I knew someone would go and look up the definition of "theory." I even considered saying "hypothesis" instead myself. But lighten up, you guys. Don't take things so seriously.

    I happen to like the idea of the OP, but I don't think that's what really happened, jeez. There's no way TT will start season 3 and say, "Surprise! AJ was dead all along!" with Clem and a zombie-version of AJ. I just thought the OP's idea was an interesting one, is all.

    well, if we're being technical, the word theory means it's backed up by a whole bunch of evidence and is generally known as a law, but not quite there. This is more of a hypothesis.

  • edited November 2015

    lol look it up? Or you can just have at least an elementary school education.

    Plus this feels more like a crummy fan-fic.

    sialark posted: »

    Oh for goodness' sake. I knew someone would go and look up the definition of "theory." I even considered saying "hypothesis" instead myself.

  • No it's fine it was more of a joke. We all knew what you meant. :P

    sialark posted: »

    Oh for goodness' sake. I knew someone would go and look up the definition of "theory." I even considered saying "hypothesis" instead myself.

  • She actually picked up on the smell of the rotting body of the baby, but in her delusional state, her mind covered up the truth by compensating with auditory sensation rather than olfactory sensation, fooling her into thinking she heard the cries of the baby

    Bam, now this theory is even more dark and morbid

    the problem with this theory is, if Clem was imagining the baby crying in the car after the fight, how did she know exactly where to run to to find him?

  • It's a fun idea for AJ haters to toss around in their head, but even they have to agree there's absolutely no way this could be true.

    Deltino posted: »

    She actually picked up on the smell of the rotting body of the baby, but in her delusional state, her mind covered up the truth by compensat

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