Which "determinant" storyline (Asher/Rodrik) did you like more?
I just finished playing both versions, and I really liked that the storylines were quite different. The way each brother talked about the fallen one made me teary-eyed - especially Rodrik telling stories about him and Asher getting drunk together to Beskha ;_; I think overall I found Rodrik's storyline a lot more depressing than Asher's though, am I the only one with this impression? With Asher there were moments that were still uplifting, it gave you at least the illusion to be able to turn the situation to your advantage up until the very end; while when playing as Rodrik I felt kind of doomed from the very first minute, the Whitehills acted a lot more ruthless (I was shocked that they would shred Asher's body to pieces and show us his head, while if Asher is Lord they at least give Rodrik's body back), Elissa's death kind of hit me harder because I wasn't expecting it (while on Asher's POV she was willing to drink the wine and sacrifice herself from earlier on), and then the final stab...seeing Elaena being dragged away crying for help and only being able to lift your hand desperately to her and nothing more. Well, thanks for that added bit of happiness, Telltale T___T
I'm not sure I'd say one storyline was better than the other, but at least with Asher I did feel more in control up until the very last. If you played both, which one did you like more?
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I think Asher had way more variety. Rodrick has more emotion. I prefer ashers though I think, the whitehill s don't seem pure evil.
I've only seen Asher so far but look interesting.
I prefer Asher but I love Rodrik's as well.
I feel that Rodrik's story is more action-oriented. There are more war stuff and Rodrik secured his image as Lord of war. Despite the depressing stuff, Rodrik still have more closer family scenes than Asher. Such as Talia hugging her brother, Elaena kissing him, Ellissa hugging him. I definitely felt that Rodrik has a much closer relationship with his family than Asher's version did.
Asher's story has more intrigue to it. Which are cool too. I haven't seen the version where he decides to ambush instead of using poison. I felt Asher's story has a lot more effort put into it, but ultimately I prefer Rodrik's story better, because of his deeper connection to his family and I have him end up with Talia and Royland. Despite his slim chance of surviving, at least Rodrik will be with his dear little sister and loyal Sentinel.
I haven't seen Asher's story yet, but I loved Rodrik's quite a bit. It sure cemented him as one of the biggest badasses in the entire series. Seriously, this man keeps taking abuse from seemingly everything, and nothing every crushes him. Holy shit.
Asher's story was beautiful... But I'm pissed that Talia couldn't even hug me!!! Wtf!
Rodrik was a complete badass in episode 6. He is indeed a Man of Iron.
Unbreakable Rodrik Forrester indeed. He was a badass in the War of the Five Kings, survived getting stabbed and crushed by a horse at the Red Wedding. Was told he would never walk again but managed to beat expectations. Survived month's of abuse from Gryff, lost several close family members, and got really fucked up during the battle of Ironrath. And yet, he keeps going, is there a better definition of a badass?
Perhaps they wanted to compensate the fact that so far Asher was "action-man" and Rodrik was just healed so it was a good time to finally show his war prowess (he definitely lived up to his old fame!). And I agree with you on Rodrik's bonds with his family and Sentinel - they just made a lot of things that happened harder to watch, though
Especially with Elissa's death scene...I felt what Rodrik felt. I felt grief and was so angry. I'm glad that Rodrik managed to kill Harys.
Yes, it was heartbreaking. His mother had always been by his side when he was weak and recovering, giving him strength and advice, and she ultimately saved him again. It was so crushing watching him hold her hand in the midst of the mayhem and you really did feel his anguish. This damn game has killed my feelings so many times I've lost count by now ;_;
By the end, I was just as tired and exhausted as Rodrik. I felt as hopeless despite all the soldiers I have slain. But I didn't have him show any weakness so I have him say "The North Remembers!" Because even if they all die here, the North will remember the Forrester's story.
But Rodrik lives barely. Talia and Ryon lives. Royland is with them. And Gared is marching south. As long as they are alive, they will keep fighting for the better tomorrow or die trying, but at least they tried.
She basically vanishes in the Asher version. I remember seeing her in Rodricks
I've only played the Asher storyline but I think I like te small detail about Asher's body being cut up instead of Rodrick.
Gwyn says that Ludd is scared of Asher which might be why he didn't do anything to Rodrick's body, kinda showing how much of a coward he is
Definitely Asher, i think there's more choice in Asher line ! and more passionate ! Not that Rodrik's line not good , but there is something that Rodrik couldn't compare to Asher !
I think we basically did a lot of the same things, in my Rodrik playthrough he said that too. Defiant to the last! One of the little things I loved is that in that moment when they think they're about to die (before the Sentinel rescues you), both Asher and Rodrik have dialogue options that allow them to stay true to themselves even at the very end - with Asher I picked the humorous one, something like "just don't strike my good side (of the face)", and that was so very him to joke even in the face of death. I really hope we're going to see something go finally better for this family in s2 after going through so much - and us with them!
I agree, that was a good detail - even if I wanted to scream when I saw what they did to Asher! With Rodrik the fight has grown personal since quite some time, while with Asher Ludd is more wary because he doesn't know what to expect from an ex-sellsword-become-Lord. I played Rodrik's version first, and knowing what they'd do to Asher if Rodrik was alive made me a lot less inclined to go along with Gwyn's requests when I replayed as Asher. She might have meant well, but her family is sh*t and can't be trusted.
I loved Asher's speeches in this episode! He is definitely Lord material, even if he can't see it himself
I am definitely glad I played both options because I am so torn, a lot of things I love about both of them.
Yes I agree !!!! And I play both of the lines too with differen choices , but really Asher's my fav! Rodrik is so mature and Asher is so passionate !
I loved playing Asher as someone not wanting to be Lord but did it so well.
Rodrik's path was so much better, he is the true lord of Ironrath and showed this in the episode. His connections with everyone was truly touching and his leadership overshadows Asher in every aspect. Rodrik the unwavering!
Well, can Rodrik say "Not my good side"?
No?
Asher: 1
Rodrik: 0
Rodrik isn't Asher and shouldn't be.
It all comes down to preference. No one is better than the other. They are both equals in badassery and lordship.
Jeez Dave I thought you could sense my joking manner through your computer monitor (still joking lol)
But I think it's hilarious how Rodriks last moments could've been regret while Asher's would've been comedy
What kinda sister is that! And Elena too?! Jeez I know Rodriks dead but can't you at least say hi!!!!
I wanted to stab them both.. I wish it was Duncan and Gwyn who found me instead of that snot nosed Forrester.
She really made me hate her for that play through... I gotta pull it together real quick
Well Ashers fight scene with Gryff on the Table, while everyone are fighting was better than Rodrik killing Ludd/Gryff in the Enemy Base. Also, the Asher Moment with Gwyn were so beautiful and...there is some good potential if Gwyn safes you.
But Rodriks storyline makes him somehow so much more badass. U must be one hell of a man to survive a slaughter on you one time. But this man survived it two fucking times man! Also the relationship to him and the house seemed so much better and more intense. I somehow prefer Rodrik more...but Ashers was definetly good too.
Well, like I said in the post, I think overall the whole Rodrik POV this episode was more emotionally charged, so a humorous sort of remark there would've felt completely out of place to me (plus it's not really in character for him). It was totally perfect for Asher though, I chose that option without second thoughts - he always easily won the Witty Comeback Contest throughout the episodes (Mira only stole the sceptre from him in ep.4 imo ^-^)
I actually felt like Asher's was more depressing. Especially when we talked about Rodrik. How he was everything Asher wasn't. And then to watch your mother drink the poison, get stabbed by your ex-betrothed.. And to almost die until getting saved by Royland... Who in mine didn't make it (I presume). I was more depressed for Asher's... Although Ludds dead so we win technically
I love Roderick but I always felt Asher had the best story. He just wanted to get back home, and as soon as he did he lost another brother.
Asher's was better definetly. It felt more.... I don't know the word I'm looking for. Interesting I suppose. I felt he had the better dialogue options and choices as well. "Not the Face" equals Classic.
Ehhh, Rodrik's version is okay, but nothing compared to Asher's. Love Gryff's death in Rodrik's version though.
Well, maybe that's personal then
I don't know, Elissa's death scene saving Rodrik from Harys, the shock and helpless rage in his voice and him holding her hand in the midst of the chaos hit me harder than the poisoning scene. And also seeing Elaena dragged off like that and not being able to do anything...and also (way before) having to witness my little brother (Ryon) being forced to lift up the spike with Asher's head impaled on it, that was seriously f***ed up and made me scream outright at the screen! Also both brothers get the almost-death situation and then being saved by their Sentinel last minute. And I guess you can kill Ludd in both POVs; I only stupidly didn't as Rodrik, but I thought Ryon would die if I didn't follow Gryff in the camp...which doesn't seem the case. I might want to replay that :S
Heh, this was my exact dilemma back when they threw us the choice in ep.5. Rodrik was my favourite (even if I love Ash to pieces too, so choosing between them was the hardest thing they could've asked of me), but I felt saving Asher could lead to more plot potential. I ended up choosing with my gut and not my mind back there (which I suppose fits my "Instinct and Nobility" final stat xD), but I was super glad I had an AU playthrough, because both POVs this episode were really worth playing in my opinion, and Asher's did make us players feel like we had more options.
Rodrik was my canon choice, but his story was more brutal and depressing than Asher's. With Asher, you at least had a few potential good moments, but everything always seemed to go wrong as Rodrik.
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That's not the reason, it was way more about the betrothal aspect.
That scene looked bizarrely glitchy on the PS4 but it was cool otherwise, yup.
I prefer Rodrik as a character over Asher, but I think that their story threads in this episode both fit them.
For my Rodrik, all I wanted against the Whitehills was to get even and wipe them all out. Having Gryff on his knees, and then finishing him off, seemed like the perfect turn around for a man who can't be broken.
But for Asher, I wanted to at least have the chance of peace (especially considering that trying to make peace is a big theme of the ASOIAF books.) I had him let down his family to marry Gwyn, in the hope that maybe the fighting would end. But fate is a fickle mistress for the star-crossed lovers...
I like Asher's story better, it is more interesting than Rodrik's
imo Asher is better, as he tries to make things better. With Rodrik.. its pretty much 'Lets fuck everybody up."