Ludd's Army.
Me and my friend counted all the Whitehills we could see when Rodrik was on the battlements and we got around 132-5, some were quite fuzzy and they were all moving but that doesn't seem too much but I think the scenes after that made it look like they were a unending wave. When the gate finally fell a wave of Whitehills came through but if you look behind that no one else is there you even see the bare landscape behind so it looks like they were running low on men anyway. However I didn't count the men in Ludd's camp.
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And when you go to escape all of ludds army is gone.
So we left the Whitehills quite weak then.
No, Telltale just forgot that there are still 450 people out there. Either Ludd held back most of his army (which would be insanely stupid), or it's a pretty big mistake on Telltale's part. There are other mistakes like this, for example Asher getting the family sword from his Sentinel when Rodrik clearly had it during his final stand.
If I remember right Royland says there are 500 men in the Whitehill Army. The Forresters probably have somewhere between 50 and 100 men. We obviously aren't going to see everyone, that just doesn't happen with Telltale games.
No Rodrik clearly didn't.
Yes he did, rewatch the scene
Asher said that, but something is wrong with TT if there going to give a number at least make right to how many they're going to put on screen and even if there was 500 Whitehill bannerman that would be enough to take down any and every minor house in the North which is ridiculous as House Whitehill is a minor house and should have a maximum of 50-60 men it's just bad storytelling, and also what was the point in the Andros sellsword plot if the Whitehills already had a army big enough to match houses like Stark and Bolton.
Rodrik did not have the Forrester Sword with him at the harbour maybe you need to rewatch it.
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Pause at 2:23 and 2:27. That is the Forrester family sword. Besides, why would he, the Lord of House Forrester, not carry the family sword?
Maybe Royland just overestimated it? Also they do have the backing of the Bolton's, and didn't lose a massive amount of soldiers at the Red Wedding, nor did any of them run away like when Ethan died.
No it isn't that's just a regular greatsword and I think you know that.
There's no excuse it's simply too much men.
That's not the greatsword but if Rodrik survive he is riding on horseback with it but with Asher alive he has to get the sword from ironrath so it's still an mistake
Well 130 men against probably not even 20. So I don't think Royland underestimated.
That's a regular greatsword. This is the Forrester family sword:
House Forrester definitely didn't have even close to 50.
It's not the family sword. He wasn't carrying it because Plot (so Asher could get it later.)
Right? Those five hundred men were bullshit. How were those two Houses even rivals of the Whitehills can muster more men than most second-tier as much men as some first-tier houses?
I think it was over 20 but still they didn't stand a chance with that Ram that can smash down a Portcullis and thick Ironwood barrier in under a minute.
This game was notorious for having men / losing men to fit the scene.
Where were the 20 elite archers that were with Rodrik/Asher? If I were in charge they would have been atop that wall, picking off Whitehills for 200 yards (longbow accuracy range) while they approached the gate pushing that ram. Instead you see only whitehill archers up there.
Rather than put the effort into showing them firing arrows and dropping here and there until they were wiped out, it was easier to simply write them out like they snuck off during the night.
500 men is too much for House Whitehill, given the fact that the Boltons have 1,500 of their own men at this time who survived the war in the South. However, people should remember that not all the soldiers can be depicted at one time. Back in Episode 3, if you choose to remove Gryff from Ironrath and have Royland as your Sentinel, he'll say he can muster about 40 Forrester Men-at-Arms. By my estimates, Asher would've brought a long at least twenty-pit fighters with him for them to be worth while. So in terms of the defense, the Forresters had at least 60 men, they will have been fighting on the walls and around the hold too.
The funny thing is we only had 1 archer in the final battle and he missed his shot against Ludd.
As well as crossbowmen on the walls, if you play as Rodrik and give the order to return fire, groups of crossbowmen fire a few volleys and kill some Whitehills, it's a pretty cool scene.
Those 20 elite Glenmore archers were sent home by Ramsey in Episode 5 but if Lord Glenmore were to send them back that would of made a big difference.
You should play Rodriks story you'll see a lot more Forrester bannerman.
So you really think if we had 20 elite archers on the wall we could of pushed back a force of 500+ men ?
60 men vs 132-135 whitehills. I think we could of won. If not for those archers.
Yes. That's the entire point of castles walls. They're meant to help less men fight off more men.
Yes, but where the fuck were they when the garrison of 20 Whitehill men were tormenting and antagonizing his lord? Talia even said in episode that they had too few men to deal with the Whitehill solidiers.
Well, theoretically a garrison of 20 men holding a castle could defend against maybe 300 men, but I don't think 500.
Most of their smallfolk soldiers probably don't live in Ironrath, I think the few soldiers that do live there are some household guards and their professional warriors (like Norren, but I don't think they have anymore). I'd imagine they summoned them from their homes after Gryff was detained; having them arrive while he was there could have caused some major issues.
Strange that they would actually come when summoned, smallfolk soldiers usually aren't loyal when odds aren't in their lord's favour.
They are good stats but maybe if the Forrester Bannerman weren't so accident prone they would of stood a chance.
The Forrester are brave sons of b.......
That's the point, their wasn't 500 soldiers so why did they say their was when 500 soldiers is clearly too much for such a tiny poor House like Whitehill.
They do have too much soldiers for such a low-tier house. I wonder, where does Ludd even get the gold enough to have that much men and to send it to Andros in great amounts, considering that Whitehills basically had no ironwood before Ramsay's first cameo, that their craftsmen suck and that Boltons care too little to supply them gold for warmongering.Of course, they did not loose most of their men (and the gold spared on them) at the Twins, but that shitstain of a household has 500 men, seriously?
Cause there might as well be 500?
btw it's there not their.
I'm only estimating based on what they should have, not what we see. His house having about 50 men along with a couple of "militia" or "smallfolk" solders makes sense to me. Of course we never see that many people in one area.
Since the Whitehills have been clear cutting Ironwood trees, and using the wealth from it to even lobby the king, I don't think they are poor. If anything they've become rather wealthy by clear cutting the trees. Which in the longer term of course leads to failure, but short term it increases their coffers quit a bit.
I don't read the books so someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but can't a low tier house also be wealthy? I was under the impression that they have been clear cutting the forest and growing wealthy from the sale. I'm assuming a house can be "low-tier" well also being rich. I don't see Ludd being able to hire Andros and Morgyn well having no money. And since we know he has been building an army from King's Landing threw Andros I don't think we can assume they are poor. Low tier or not, they have to of made a considerable amount of gold from those logs.
If Ironwood is as important as it is made up, and therefor as valubale, if the Whitehills are indeed cutting down every tree in their path it makes sense that they would have a sudden large influx of cash flow. Even though it's not sustainable. Which is why Ludd wanted the Forrester's as his bannermen if Rodrik is dead, he knows they can keep the forrest going and therefor continue to make his family rich even after his wasteful clear cutting.