House Forrester was also on the up and up. They were still sworn to House Glover but are friends with the Tyrells and the vanguard of the Starks. This kind of thing happened all the time in the medieval era.
I don't read the books so someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but can't a low tier house also be wealthy? I was under the impression that t… morehey have been clear cutting the forest and growing wealthy from the sale. I'm assuming a house can be "low-tier" well also being rich. I don't see Ludd being able to hire Andros and Morgyn well having no money. And since we know he has been building an army from King's Landing threw Andros I don't think we can assume they are poor. Low tier or not, they have to of made a considerable amount of gold from those logs.
If Ironwood is as important as it is made up, and therefor as valubale, if the Whitehills are indeed cutting down every tree in their path it makes sense that they would have a sudden large influx of cash flow. Even though it's not sustainable. Which is why Ludd wanted the Forrester's as his bannermen if Rodrik is dead, he knows they can keep the forrest going and therefor continue to make his family rich even after his wasteful clear cutting.
Since the Whitehills have been clear cutting Ironwood trees, and using the wealth from it to even lobby the king, I don't think they are poo… morer. If anything they've become rather wealthy by clear cutting the trees. Which in the longer term of course leads to failure, but short term it increases their coffers quit a bit.
House Forrester was also on the up and up. They were still sworn to House Glover but are friends with the Tyrells and the vanguard of the Starks. This kind of thing happened all the time in the medieval era.
Guys, I remind you there's a reason why the Whitehills have x10 to x20 the Forrester forces.
All of the Forrester forces were massacred a… moret the Red Wedding.
As Bolton Bannermen, the Whitehills were DOING THE MASSACRING.
Remember, the Boltons were conspirators in the Red Wedding even if they didn't break guest rite (because it wasn't their house).
I'd say the Forresters brought about 150-200 Bannerman to fight for the Starks and left about 30-40 men behind I'd say that's a reasonable amount of men but obviously most were smallfolk called to arms. However Ludd pulls 500 armed soldiers out of his arse all by the playthrough were pretty unstoppable and well trained.
Guys, I remind you there's a reason why the Whitehills have x10 to x20 the Forrester forces.
All of the Forrester forces were massacred a… moret the Red Wedding.
As Bolton Bannermen, the Whitehills were DOING THE MASSACRING.
Remember, the Boltons were conspirators in the Red Wedding even if they didn't break guest rite (because it wasn't their house).
Guys, I remind you there's a reason why the Whitehills have x10 to x20 the Forrester forces.
All of the Forrester forces were massacred a… moret the Red Wedding.
As Bolton Bannermen, the Whitehills were DOING THE MASSACRING.
Remember, the Boltons were conspirators in the Red Wedding even if they didn't break guest rite (because it wasn't their house).
Exactly Gregor took some\most of his soldiers to help the starks at the red wedding but even so he must've left some soldiers back at ironrath to protect the keep from enemies (like the whitehills) that see this as an opportunity to strike. I'm sure he was smart enough to know that there was an IF that he wouldn't survive. And the soldiers he left in ironrath should be enough to defend the keep and stop the constant bullying from the whitehills.
Do you not watch Game of Thrones? Jon snow led 100 or less men against hundreds maybe thousands of Wildings and prevailed. Now they had a bigger and better wall then Ironrath... But it's plausible in GoT
Okay, so if we're to go by medieval standards for Houses, GRRM GoT numbers for small Houses, and all the game's canon lore:
The Forresters have about 10-15 men, not including Royland or smallfolk in the first episode, while the Whitehills would hold about 50 to 100 men, not including Ludd.
When Gryff and Co show up, add another 10-20 men (don't want to ride the road without protection) making it 40 Whitehills to 10 Forresters, and Highpoint would go down to 90-80 men.
Glenmores, being elite, count for double, so it's 40 Whitehills and 50 Forresters when they show up.
With Arthur dying, Glenmores are gone, making us fall back to 10 Forresters.
Duncan (My playthrough, and I killed him) let's the Whitehills free, meaning there are no Whitehills left in Ironrath.
Now, Mira uncovers a plot for thousands of sellswords for the Whitehills, but is thwarted because Andros is slaughtered by Cersei and thus cannot leave King's Landing, so the sellswords leave with their purses full and no killing.
Over in Meeren, the Pit Fighters total 25 men and according to game lore, amount to 250 sellswords. (''1 Pit Fighter is worth any 10 sellswords'' - Beshka the Basilisk)
Asher's Pit Fighters arrive. I'm not 100% sure of numbers, but I think 5 Forresters die (excluding Asher/Rodrik) and 7 Pit Fighters are killed as well.
Back at Ironrath, we see 7 archers on the wall, and smallfolk soldiers would be between 5-35 men, the Pit Fighters are 18 (180 worth), meaning Ironrath has between 192-215 soldiers worth. With the Whitehills showing up, their numbers should be about 200 men.
Now adding main characters (Rodrik/Royland. May be different for other choices) the Forresters host the equivalent of 250 men, more than enough to kill the Whitehills.
Ironrath could not have fallen.
Snuck into the camp.
Ironrath could not have fallen
Let the Pit Fighters burn the tower and kill a bunch of soldiers.
Ironrath could not have fallen
Beheaded Ludd and killed Harys, and without their leader no man would want to keep fighting, and the strongest of them was killed by a man who had a goddamn claymore through his gut
IRONRATH COULD NOT HAVE FALLEN, EXCEPT BY TELLTALE FUCKING UP SO TERRIBLY A BLIND MAN COULD HAVE WRITTEN IT BETTER
That last battle was just one more instance of the recurring theme in this game.
Soldiers vanish when its convenient for the story. You surely wouldn't be able to get away if there were still any out there, thus there just aren't any there anymore.
Really felt playing this like you are just supposed to disregard logic altogether to not be annoyed by some of the instances.
Okay, so if we're to go by medieval standards for Houses, GRRM GoT numbers for small Houses, and all the game's canon lore:
The Forrester… mores have about 10-15 men, not including Royland or smallfolk in the first episode, while the Whitehills would hold about 50 to 100 men, not including Ludd.
When Gryff and Co show up, add another 10-20 men (don't want to ride the road without protection) making it 40 Whitehills to 10 Forresters, and Highpoint would go down to 90-80 men.
Glenmores, being elite, count for double, so it's 40 Whitehills and 50 Forresters when they show up.
With Arthur dying, Glenmores are gone, making us fall back to 10 Forresters.
Duncan (My playthrough, and I killed him) let's the Whitehills free, meaning there are no Whitehills left in Ironrath.
Now, Mira uncovers a plot for thousands of sellswords for the Whitehills, but is thwarted because Andros is slaughtered by Cersei and thus cannot leave King's Landing, … [view original content]
I'd say the Forresters brought about 150-200 Bannerman to fight for the Starks and left about 30-40 men behind I'd say that's a reasonable a… moremount of men but obviously most were smallfolk called to arms. However Ludd pulls 500 armed soldiers out of his arse all by the playthrough were pretty unstoppable and well trained.
Also why does it say if you kill Ludd his army will disperse when it doesn't. Stupid.
But I understand that you have to lose so Season 2 can continue but you have to wonder how things would have turned up if the Glenmore's backed us up like your Sentinel said they would also why the f... does Asher say there's 500 Whitehills outside the gate when there isn't so many mistakes.
Okay, so if we're to go by medieval standards for Houses, GRRM GoT numbers for small Houses, and all the game's canon lore:
The Forrester… mores have about 10-15 men, not including Royland or smallfolk in the first episode, while the Whitehills would hold about 50 to 100 men, not including Ludd.
When Gryff and Co show up, add another 10-20 men (don't want to ride the road without protection) making it 40 Whitehills to 10 Forresters, and Highpoint would go down to 90-80 men.
Glenmores, being elite, count for double, so it's 40 Whitehills and 50 Forresters when they show up.
With Arthur dying, Glenmores are gone, making us fall back to 10 Forresters.
Duncan (My playthrough, and I killed him) let's the Whitehills free, meaning there are no Whitehills left in Ironrath.
Now, Mira uncovers a plot for thousands of sellswords for the Whitehills, but is thwarted because Andros is slaughtered by Cersei and thus cannot leave King's Landing, … [view original content]
Like I said, the whole point is the Boltons backstabbed the Starks at the Twins.
Hence they and their bannermen don't get murdered.
Hence all the Stark Loyalists did.
It's why the Whitehills have an incredible advantage.
I guess I disagree. The Forresters aren't the Forresters of the books who are a third tier house. The Forresters are more of a 2nd tier House and seem to a combination of the Glovers and the Manderlys. They probably had a force every bit as large as the Whitehills prior to the Red Wedding but the casualties of the Red Wedding and War of Five kings has left them devastated. Remember, we're already dealing with desertion in the first episode and that's probably not limited to one guy stealing some weapons.
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Guys, I remind you there's a reason why the Whitehills have x10 to x20 the Forrester forces.
All of the Forrester forces were massacred at the Red Wedding.
As Bolton Bannermen, the Whitehills were DOING THE MASSACRING.
Remember, the Boltons were conspirators in the Red Wedding even if they didn't break guest rite (because it wasn't their house).
If I knew that, why would I post this here? It really looked the same to me, perhaps I didn't look close enough
House Forrester was also on the up and up. They were still sworn to House Glover but are friends with the Tyrells and the vanguard of the Starks. This kind of thing happened all the time in the medieval era.
That's what I thought but still too much.
But you'd think they could afford a good defence.
Actually it may be just a random event with no meaning but I saw Whitehills being killed at the Twins.
I'd say the Forresters brought about 150-200 Bannerman to fight for the Starks and left about 30-40 men behind I'd say that's a reasonable amount of men but obviously most were smallfolk called to arms. However Ludd pulls 500 armed soldiers out of his arse all by the playthrough were pretty unstoppable and well trained.
But...did GREGOR took his whole army to the wedding and they all got killed? Seroiusly?
WOW I bet you feel proud.
Exactly Gregor took some\most of his soldiers to help the starks at the red wedding but even so he must've left some soldiers back at ironrath to protect the keep from enemies (like the whitehills) that see this as an opportunity to strike. I'm sure he was smart enough to know that there was an IF that he wouldn't survive. And the soldiers he left in ironrath should be enough to defend the keep and stop the constant bullying from the whitehills.
Do you not watch Game of Thrones? Jon snow led 100 or less men against hundreds maybe thousands of Wildings and prevailed. Now they had a bigger and better wall then Ironrath... But it's plausible in GoT
Wow, hurtful
Okay, so if we're to go by medieval standards for Houses, GRRM GoT numbers for small Houses, and all the game's canon lore:
The Forresters have about 10-15 men, not including Royland or smallfolk in the first episode, while the Whitehills would hold about 50 to 100 men, not including Ludd.
When Gryff and Co show up, add another 10-20 men (don't want to ride the road without protection) making it 40 Whitehills to 10 Forresters, and Highpoint would go down to 90-80 men.
Glenmores, being elite, count for double, so it's 40 Whitehills and 50 Forresters when they show up.
With Arthur dying, Glenmores are gone, making us fall back to 10 Forresters.
Duncan (My playthrough, and I killed him) let's the Whitehills free, meaning there are no Whitehills left in Ironrath.
Now, Mira uncovers a plot for thousands of sellswords for the Whitehills, but is thwarted because Andros is slaughtered by Cersei and thus cannot leave King's Landing, so the sellswords leave with their purses full and no killing.
Over in Meeren, the Pit Fighters total 25 men and according to game lore, amount to 250 sellswords. (''1 Pit Fighter is worth any 10 sellswords'' - Beshka the Basilisk)
Asher's Pit Fighters arrive. I'm not 100% sure of numbers, but I think 5 Forresters die (excluding Asher/Rodrik) and 7 Pit Fighters are killed as well.
Back at Ironrath, we see 7 archers on the wall, and smallfolk soldiers would be between 5-35 men, the Pit Fighters are 18 (180 worth), meaning Ironrath has between 192-215 soldiers worth. With the Whitehills showing up, their numbers should be about 200 men.
Now adding main characters (Rodrik/Royland. May be different for other choices) the Forresters host the equivalent of 250 men, more than enough to kill the Whitehills.
Ironrath could not have fallen.
Snuck into the camp.
Ironrath could not have fallen
Let the Pit Fighters burn the tower and kill a bunch of soldiers.
Ironrath could not have fallen
Beheaded Ludd and killed Harys, and without their leader no man would want to keep fighting, and the strongest of them was killed by a man who had a goddamn claymore through his gut
IRONRATH COULD NOT HAVE FALLEN, EXCEPT BY TELLTALE FUCKING UP SO TERRIBLY A BLIND MAN COULD HAVE WRITTEN IT BETTER
That last battle was just one more instance of the recurring theme in this game.
Soldiers vanish when its convenient for the story. You surely wouldn't be able to get away if there were still any out there, thus there just aren't any there anymore.
Really felt playing this like you are just supposed to disregard logic altogether to not be annoyed by some of the instances.
That was kind of the point. You don't leave behind your army when you go on the march in Medieval Warfare.
Well, Bolton in the show was behind the Red Wedding with Frey so either way the Whitehills wouldn't lose any soldiers.
I didn't see any Whitehills killed at the twins but maybe that was a mistake.
Like I said, the whole point is the Boltons backstabbed the Starks at the Twins.
Hence they and their bannermen don't get murdered.
Hence all the Stark Loyalists did.
It's why the Whitehills have an incredible advantage.
XD.
Also why does it say if you kill Ludd his army will disperse when it doesn't. Stupid.
But I understand that you have to lose so Season 2 can continue but you have to wonder how things would have turned up if the Glenmore's backed us up like your Sentinel said they would also why the f... does Asher say there's 500 Whitehills outside the gate when there isn't so many mistakes.
We all know about the Red Wedding already, its just that the Whitehillls shouldn't have a army of that size, at all.
I guess I disagree. The Forresters aren't the Forresters of the books who are a third tier house. The Forresters are more of a 2nd tier House and seem to a combination of the Glovers and the Manderlys. They probably had a force every bit as large as the Whitehills prior to the Red Wedding but the casualties of the Red Wedding and War of Five kings has left them devastated. Remember, we're already dealing with desertion in the first episode and that's probably not limited to one guy stealing some weapons.