Now I realize that my mentioning of the Second Amendment, and God, is not A popular thing to do, certainly not in this day in age where political correctness and secular thinking is the order of the day
Eh, probably because people don't want to see anyone shoving religion down their throats. Political correctness has nothing to do with it, if you quote God and the Bible in order to make a point then you have no point at all.
This is truly a sad occurrence, and it is sad that people possess the inhumanity to go and commit such atrocities.
This very incident prov… morees that we need guns, and why we need them, despite what some people think on the subject.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights!
Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they come from God.
Now I realize that my mentioning of the Second Amendment, and God, is not A popular thing to do, certainly not in this day in age where political correctness and secular thinking is the order of the day.
It takes strength and courage to believe in something greater than yourself, to believe that instead of being products of random chance, that we as people are the products of intelligent design. and that being the products of design, that we have the right to defend ourselves!
But those are my beliefs and I will stand fast by them, even at the risk of be… [view original content]
So are various people told to live normal lives until they get their orders or something?
I mean, they even had a baby which they abandoned at moment's notice, well knowing they wouldn't come back to take care of them.
It just feels that people are planted around the world, they act normal and then they get "that" contact which they feel as their duty to obey no matter what.
It's ridiculous to think that there could be families in the various countries living normal lives over decades, seemingly nothing being wrong and them being very social, then one phone call causes them massacre everyone around them and go to their "deathmatch."
You keep coming back to dealing with others like them, but how might you do that? Anything you find about their personality is already documented as a telltale sign that the actions are possible, but it doesn't mean they will actually do anything. Depression. Check. Social anxiety. Check. Psychopathic tendencies. Check. Racism. Check. Religious. Check. Will they commit the atrocity? Who knows? And yet again all of this information that would be vital to "preventing" these atrocities would still be available to people interested in it. As for not sharing their motives, that would, at least in part, stop them from spreading their ideology (and more importantly stop others with similar violent ideologies from seeing others' getting continuous attention).
In any case, I stand by my stance. But this conversation has grown stale, not to mention it's not like it would ever be implemented, so until next time, adieu.
And how do you spread a political agenda of any type?
Do you think the Charleston shooter needed his name and face out there to comm… moreunicate what his agenda was? Or the guy who shot up a Planned Parenthood? Or any terrorist ever? These people don't care about their name or face being famous. They care about their acts. And unless you don't report the acts themselves (which, again, would be horrifically irresponsible), there's nothing you can do to keep them from gaining infamy. What you can do is look at these people, examine who and what they are, and figure out how to deal with others like them.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights! Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they come from God.
Wait. . . what? That makes absolutely no sense.
EDIT: I've honestly been trying to cut back on the "religion is crap" comments lately, but your post has me on the verge of a meltdown.
This is truly a sad occurrence, and it is sad that people possess the inhumanity to go and commit such atrocities.
This very incident prov… morees that we need guns, and why we need them, despite what some people think on the subject.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights!
Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they come from God.
Now I realize that my mentioning of the Second Amendment, and God, is not A popular thing to do, certainly not in this day in age where political correctness and secular thinking is the order of the day.
It takes strength and courage to believe in something greater than yourself, to believe that instead of being products of random chance, that we as people are the products of intelligent design. and that being the products of design, that we have the right to defend ourselves!
But those are my beliefs and I will stand fast by them, even at the risk of be… [view original content]
But if the Bill of Rights is God-given, why did he give different ones to different countries?
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And it has gotten to tell poin… moret where Government is starting to remove God from the courthouses, and anything that is remotely religious from public grounds. Like it did with the statue of the Ten Commandments removed from the Oklahoma courtyard grounds. Even though it is from the Ten Commandments, and the teachings of Christ, that many of our laws are based on.
“The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian Religion.” 1797, The Treaty of Tripoli, initiated by President Washington, signed by President John Adams, and approved by the Senate of the United States.
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for t… [view original content]
God created all men equally, regardless of skin color, or what area of the world they live in. he has given to each man free will, and thus … morehe allows each man to carve his own path.
But that does not mean the he condones acts of violence, perversion, etc.
And for those who continue to do such things, he will hold them accountable!
That is why most people nowadays do not care for religion, nor believe in God.
That is why many people say "there is no God", even though every person believes in something!
They did not want to be held accountable to anything or anyone for what they do, but rather would continue to go on living the way they do regardless if it affects anyone else.
And it has gotten to tell point where Government is starting to remove God from the courthouses, and anything that is remotely religious from public grounds.
Like it did with the statue of the Ten Commandments removed from the Oklahoma courtyard grounds.
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On the news tonight, they questioned a local mosque about the incident, and asked if their mosque ha radicalized these people.
One of the leaders said and I quote: "There is nothing radical about Islam."
As I heard him say that I thought to myself: "If that is so, then what's the deal with people like Osama Bin-Laden, terrorists groups like Aquieda, ISIS, and others like them, who all claim to be Muslim?
If there is nothing radical about Islam, then how do you account for all the acts of senseless violence that are occurring because of these groups?"
Plus, look at how the Muslims tried to conquer Europe!
It wasn't until they beaten back by the French, that the Pope called for a crusade against them.
The point is, the Muslims threw the first punch!
It looks to be 1-3+ shooters, so far at least 14 innocent people have been killed along with two of the suspects, as well as one suspect bei… moreng in custody and another's whereabouts being unknown. It hasn't been disclosed yet, but it's most likely that the guns used (either AK-47 or AR-15) were illegally obtained, as most guns used in shootings usually are. The shooters' motive has not been released yet either, as far as I know. What really makes my blood boil is that this shooting happened at a center for people with developmental disabilities. Absolutely despicable.
EDIT: Now that more information has been released, we know that 14 people were killed and 21 were wounded at a Christmas party being hosted at a center for people with developmental disabilities. The 2 shooters, who were shot and killed by the police, were husband and wife, both Muslim. The husband was also allegedly in contact with Islamic extremists. I won't jump to conclusio… [view original content]
On the news tonight, they questioned a local mosque about the incident, and asked if their mosque ha radicalized these people.
One of the l… moreeaders said and I quote: "There is nothing radical about Islam."
As I heard him say that I thought to myself: "If that is so, then what's the deal with people like Osama Bin-Laden, terrorists groups like Aquieda, ISIS, and others like them, who all claim to be Muslim?
If there is nothing radical about Islam, then how do you account for all the acts of senseless violence that are occurring because of these groups?"
Plus, look at how the Muslims tried to conquer Europe!
It wasn't until they beaten back by the French, that the Pope called for a crusade against them.
The point is, the Muslims threw the first punch!
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights! Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they… more come from God.
Wait. . . what? That makes absolutely no sense.
EDIT: I've honestly been trying to cut back on the "religion is crap" comments lately, but your post has me on the verge of a meltdown.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights! Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they… more come from God.
Wait. . . what? That makes absolutely no sense.
EDIT: I've honestly been trying to cut back on the "religion is crap" comments lately, but your post has me on the verge of a meltdown.
On the news tonight, they questioned a local mosque about the incident, and asked if their mosque ha radicalized these people.
One of the l… moreeaders said and I quote: "There is nothing radical about Islam."
As I heard him say that I thought to myself: "If that is so, then what's the deal with people like Osama Bin-Laden, terrorists groups like Aquieda, ISIS, and others like them, who all claim to be Muslim?
If there is nothing radical about Islam, then how do you account for all the acts of senseless violence that are occurring because of these groups?"
Plus, look at how the Muslims tried to conquer Europe!
It wasn't until they beaten back by the French, that the Pope called for a crusade against them.
The point is, the Muslims threw the first punch!
I understand that these problems need to be addressed, but it's seriously only been about a day since it happened. It's a time of mourning, not debating.
America just needs to get rid of guns for fucks sake, why don't we hear about the same scale of mass shootings anywhere else excluding terro… morerist related attacks? Regardless of all the people who say, "it's not the gun it's the person", true, but a gun can enter a school or crowded and shoot everyone dead in minutes, a knife, or fists, or anything else, can't do that. Stop the guns you stop the shootings, it's that simple. Maybe it will save some lives along the way.
My opinion folks.
Anyway, may the victims rest in peace. It's truly terrible.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights! Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they… more come from God.
Wait. . . what? That makes absolutely no sense.
EDIT: I've honestly been trying to cut back on the "religion is crap" comments lately, but your post has me on the verge of a meltdown.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights! Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they come from God.
If the Constituion came from God, how can we have the 13th Amendment. It prohibits slavery, something which I'm pretty sure Jesus was okay with.
Or is it only the first 10? In which case God took the time out to make a special prohibition against quartering soldiers in private homes? (the 3rd Amendment). Not to mention that I think God would have a little problem with the 1st Amendment. No establishment of religion? What about having no gods before me or make no graven images?
This is truly a sad occurrence, and it is sad that people possess the inhumanity to go and commit such atrocities.
This very incident prov… morees that we need guns, and why we need them, despite what some people think on the subject.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights!
Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they come from God.
Now I realize that my mentioning of the Second Amendment, and God, is not A popular thing to do, certainly not in this day in age where political correctness and secular thinking is the order of the day.
It takes strength and courage to believe in something greater than yourself, to believe that instead of being products of random chance, that we as people are the products of intelligent design. and that being the products of design, that we have the right to defend ourselves!
But those are my beliefs and I will stand fast by them, even at the risk of be… [view original content]
It's a thing for American right-wingers to add weight to their political stances by claiming they know what God wants and God is on their side. Kenny/Lee is claiming that God wrote the constitution and therefore God thinks people should have all the guns they want. It's the kind of argument that's an embarrassment to responsible gun owners, like myself.
This behavior is a big reason why our political system is so cocked up right now.
I understand that these problems need to be addressed, but it's seriously only been about a day since it happened. It's a time of mourning, not debating.
My uncle and I were just watching a press conference for this - the FBI believes it's "terrorism". Whether or not that's true, I'd be terrified to live in this area right now.
May the living stay calm and the dead rest in peace.
It's a thing for American right-wingers to add weight to their political stances by claiming they know what God wants and God is on their si… morede. Kenny/Lee is claiming that God wrote the constitution and therefore God thinks people should have all the guns they want. It's the kind of argument that's an embarrassment to responsible gun owners, like myself.
This behavior is a big reason why our political system is so cocked up right now.
This is truly a sad occurrence, and it is sad that people possess the inhumanity to go and commit such atrocities.
This very incident prov… morees that we need guns, and why we need them, despite what some people think on the subject.
It's in our Constitution, it's in the Bill of Rights!
Those are our sacred rights, and they are given to us not buy any man, but rather they come from God.
Now I realize that my mentioning of the Second Amendment, and God, is not A popular thing to do, certainly not in this day in age where political correctness and secular thinking is the order of the day.
It takes strength and courage to believe in something greater than yourself, to believe that instead of being products of random chance, that we as people are the products of intelligent design. and that being the products of design, that we have the right to defend ourselves!
But those are my beliefs and I will stand fast by them, even at the risk of be… [view original content]
It's a thing for American right-wingers to add weight to their political stances by claiming they know what God wants and God is on their si… morede. Kenny/Lee is claiming that God wrote the constitution and therefore God thinks people should have all the guns they want. It's the kind of argument that's an embarrassment to responsible gun owners, like myself.
This behavior is a big reason why our political system is so cocked up right now.
I am just saying. Between the elements of objective reasoning and those of the far-right that have little more arguements beyond the Constitution and the Bible, she seems much more credible thereof (for what it is worth). I still do not agree with her, but I would take her thinking over some other people of the far-right.
I'm just wondering, and I'm probably just a cold hearted person, but do you actually mourn things like this, or at least for any significant length of time?
I understand that these problems need to be addressed, but it's seriously only been about a day since it happened. It's a time of mourning, not debating.
I NEVER said God wrote the constitution.
No that was done by men.
But the principles they incorporated into it, many are derived from the Bible.
I believe that God gives us the Moral right to defend ourselves and our families.
And that it is not up to mere man to decide whether or not we can do that, nor how we can do that!
It's a thing for American right-wingers to add weight to their political stances by claiming they know what God wants and God is on their si… morede. Kenny/Lee is claiming that God wrote the constitution and therefore God thinks people should have all the guns they want. It's the kind of argument that's an embarrassment to responsible gun owners, like myself.
This behavior is a big reason why our political system is so cocked up right now.
Mass shootings are increasing. ISIS is growing and threatening nations. The world really is entering an insane era. We all have to remain calm and get braver now. Because soon enough, the war of humanity will be right at our doorsteps.
Mass shootings are increasing. ISIS is growing and threatening nations. The world really is entering an insane era. We all have to remain calm and get braver now. Because soon enough, the war of humanity will be right at our doorsteps.
"A time of mourning" is most specifically for those affected. It's just a sign of respect not to argue about why it happened and focus on remembering those who were lost.
I'm just wondering, and I'm probably just a cold hearted person, but do you actually mourn things like this, or at least for any significant length of time?
I NEVER said God wrote the constitution. No that was done by men. But the principles they incorporated into it, many are derived from the Bible.
Ah, my mistake for taking that a bit too literally. I still don't get what God has to do with any of this. Mass shootings are a national security matter, not a theological one.
Putting aside the constitutional / religious jargon, what to you have to support your claims that we need fewer firearm restrictions, rather than more.
I NEVER said God wrote the constitution.
No that was done by men.
But the principles they incorporated into it, many are derived from the … moreBible.
I believe that God gives us the Moral right to defend ourselves and our families.
And that it is not up to mere man to decide whether or not we can do that, nor how we can do that!
I too shall apologize; I misunderstood what you were getting at.
I would still disagree with you though, while Judeo-Christian values certainly have had a lot of influence in the US, I'd say the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is more a product of contemporaneous Enlightenment ideals and the tradition of the Magna Carta, not to mention banning a couple of things that were particularly irksome before and during the war (as I mentioned, the 3rd Amendment).
On a side note, I'm not sure I'd agree with your interpretation of Christianity either. I don't think it gives the right to self-defense; preserving Christian tenants includng thou shalt not kill, even if it leads to your death, is kind of the point. Defense of others might be a bit more tricky.
I NEVER said God wrote the constitution.
No that was done by men.
But the principles they incorporated into it, many are derived from the … moreBible.
I believe that God gives us the Moral right to defend ourselves and our families.
And that it is not up to mere man to decide whether or not we can do that, nor how we can do that!
No offence taken. Yeah, it can be more gruesome but the thing is, unlike bullets, with a sword you can at least see where it's coming and you have a chance at dodging since it's slower. And melee weapons wouldn't do as much collateral damage as, like, a bomb blowing up a building/room full of people. With just melee weapons there's, even though small, a beneficial chance for surviving an attack.
You say that until you compare the pain of being stabbed to death with an unsharpened pencil to a single bullet. Not that I think either should happen to you, don't take this that way, but one is a lot more gruesome than the other.
Precisely. It is like I said; people keep acting as if this ISIL is a true threat to the globe, when in fact, between the multiple militias fighting them on the ground and the airstrikes, their chances of outliving this decade are ever so progressively slimming.
Precisely. It is like I said; people keep acting as if this ISIL is a true threat to the globe, when in fact, between the multiple militias … morefighting them on the ground and the airstrikes, their chances of outliving this decade are ever so progressively slimming.
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Eh, probably because people don't want to see anyone shoving religion down their throats. Political correctness has nothing to do with it, if you quote God and the Bible in order to make a point then you have no point at all.
So are various people told to live normal lives until they get their orders or something?
I mean, they even had a baby which they abandoned at moment's notice, well knowing they wouldn't come back to take care of them.
It just feels that people are planted around the world, they act normal and then they get "that" contact which they feel as their duty to obey no matter what.
It's ridiculous to think that there could be families in the various countries living normal lives over decades, seemingly nothing being wrong and them being very social, then one phone call causes them massacre everyone around them and go to their "deathmatch."
You keep coming back to dealing with others like them, but how might you do that? Anything you find about their personality is already documented as a telltale sign that the actions are possible, but it doesn't mean they will actually do anything. Depression. Check. Social anxiety. Check. Psychopathic tendencies. Check. Racism. Check. Religious. Check. Will they commit the atrocity? Who knows? And yet again all of this information that would be vital to "preventing" these atrocities would still be available to people interested in it. As for not sharing their motives, that would, at least in part, stop them from spreading their ideology (and more importantly stop others with similar violent ideologies from seeing others' getting continuous attention).
In any case, I stand by my stance. But this conversation has grown stale, not to mention it's not like it would ever be implemented, so until next time, adieu.
Wait. . . what? That makes absolutely no sense.
EDIT: I've honestly been trying to cut back on the "religion is crap" comments lately, but your post has me on the verge of a meltdown.
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"But how can one be moral without the blood-soaked abrahamic god peering over their shoulder?"
When are you going to give up this bogus argument?
On the news tonight, they questioned a local mosque about the incident, and asked if their mosque ha radicalized these people.
One of the leaders said and I quote: "There is nothing radical about Islam."
As I heard him say that I thought to myself: "If that is so, then what's the deal with people like Osama Bin-Laden, terrorists groups like Aquieda, ISIS, and others like them, who all claim to be Muslim?
If there is nothing radical about Islam, then how do you account for all the acts of senseless violence that are occurring because of these groups?"
Plus, look at how the Muslims tried to conquer Europe!
It wasn't until they beaten back by the French, that the Pope called for a crusade against them.
The point is, the Muslims threw the first punch!
Correlation is not causation.
If there was any time when it's acceptable to go full-Dawkins, this is probably it. This shit is making me nauseous.
Yep, sacred, God-given rights to a 13th century Chinese invention.
Yes, I'm sure a new born baby Muslim was one of all Muslims to throw the first punch.
I understand that these problems need to be addressed, but it's seriously only been about a day since it happened. It's a time of mourning, not debating.
I'm religious myself, but I honestly don't understand Kenny/Lee is on about.
This whole world is fucked.
You know that he isn't going to watch that lol, the Devil put it there to test our faith.
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If the Constituion came from God, how can we have the 13th Amendment. It prohibits slavery, something which I'm pretty sure Jesus was okay with.
Or is it only the first 10? In which case God took the time out to make a special prohibition against quartering soldiers in private homes? (the 3rd Amendment). Not to mention that I think God would have a little problem with the 1st Amendment. No establishment of religion? What about having no gods before me or make no graven images?
It's a thing for American right-wingers to add weight to their political stances by claiming they know what God wants and God is on their side. Kenny/Lee is claiming that God wrote the constitution and therefore God thinks people should have all the guns they want. It's the kind of argument that's an embarrassment to responsible gun owners, like myself.
This behavior is a big reason why our political system is so cocked up right now.
Fair call. Was just riled up in my original comment and it created discussion.
He's either a very, very good troll or he's completely beyond help. Every time I think he couldn't say anything more wrong, he tops himself.
The FBI is saying it was terrorism now.
My uncle and I were just watching a press conference for this - the FBI believes it's "terrorism". Whether or not that's true, I'd be terrified to live in this area right now.
May the living stay calm and the dead rest in peace.
It gives people like Ayn Rand credibility.
By the way, this is not meant to be taken seriously..........................still.
Woah woah woah! Let's not get carried away here! This is the Stephanie Meyer of political science we're talking about.
I don't get it. How can you look at your 6 month old child, hand the child to your mother, and then go murder innocent people. Mind boggling.
I think that was the biggest lol I've had in a while.
Biggest. Fucking. Lol.
I am just saying. Between the elements of objective reasoning and those of the far-right that have little more arguements beyond the Constitution and the Bible, she seems much more credible thereof (for what it is worth). I still do not agree with her, but I would take her thinking over some other people of the far-right.
I'm just wondering, and I'm probably just a cold hearted person, but do you actually mourn things like this, or at least for any significant length of time?
I NEVER said God wrote the constitution.
No that was done by men.
But the principles they incorporated into it, many are derived from the Bible.
I believe that God gives us the Moral right to defend ourselves and our families.
And that it is not up to mere man to decide whether or not we can do that, nor how we can do that!
Mass shootings are increasing. ISIS is growing and threatening nations. The world really is entering an insane era. We all have to remain calm and get braver now. Because soon enough, the war of humanity will be right at our doorsteps.
Isis isn't growing. You're seeing its death throws.
"A time of mourning" is most specifically for those affected. It's just a sign of respect not to argue about why it happened and focus on remembering those who were lost.
Ah, my mistake for taking that a bit too literally. I still don't get what God has to do with any of this. Mass shootings are a national security matter, not a theological one.
Putting aside the constitutional / religious jargon, what to you have to support your claims that we need fewer firearm restrictions, rather than more.
SOMEBODY GETS IT! I thought the day would never come.
I too shall apologize; I misunderstood what you were getting at.
I would still disagree with you though, while Judeo-Christian values certainly have had a lot of influence in the US, I'd say the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is more a product of contemporaneous Enlightenment ideals and the tradition of the Magna Carta, not to mention banning a couple of things that were particularly irksome before and during the war (as I mentioned, the 3rd Amendment).
On a side note, I'm not sure I'd agree with your interpretation of Christianity either. I don't think it gives the right to self-defense; preserving Christian tenants includng thou shalt not kill, even if it leads to your death, is kind of the point. Defense of others might be a bit more tricky.
Sorry for the late response.
No offence taken. Yeah, it can be more gruesome but the thing is, unlike bullets, with a sword you can at least see where it's coming and you have a chance at dodging since it's slower. And melee weapons wouldn't do as much collateral damage as, like, a bomb blowing up a building/room full of people. With just melee weapons there's, even though small, a beneficial chance for surviving an attack.
Precisely. It is like I said; people keep acting as if this ISIL is a true threat to the globe, when in fact, between the multiple militias fighting them on the ground and the airstrikes, their chances of outliving this decade are ever so progressively slimming.
A newborn baby cannot be a Muslim.
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Exactly have them stay in their hellholes if they want to have their lesser culture so much.