Do you know much about the female Thor or comics in general? Is she one of many different story arcs/timelines? If so I don't see the problem is using an established hero and telling a new story.
If you want a specific super hero then make that super hero, don't ruin an already established character in order to fit whatever bullshit agenda is popular this week.
Do you know much about the female Thor or comics in general? Is she one of many different story arcs/timelines? If so I don't see the problem is using an established hero and telling a new story.
So I've done some research! Female Thor is just a stop gap as "Thor" appears in comics in the future. So yeh female Thor is canon while Thor is not worthy. I agree it seems off that she takes the name of Thor an addition to his powers.
Did you find why he is unworthy ? I know it happend in original sin when the whatcher was killed and all the secrets where exposed. But i never found the reason why.
So I've done some research! Female Thor is just a stop gap as "Thor" appears in comics in the future. So yeh female Thor is canon while Thor is not worthy. I agree it seems off that she takes the name of Thor an addition to his powers.
So I've done some research! Female Thor is just a stop gap as "Thor" appears in comics in the future. So yeh female Thor is canon while Thor is not worthy. I agree it seems off that she takes the name of Thor an addition to his powers.
Nick Fury said something to Thor which made him unworthy, but we don't know what Nick said! It's likely the writers don't know yet. The comic forums are not happy about it anyway
Did you find why he is unworthy ? I know it happend in original sin when the whatcher was killed and all the secrets where exposed. But i never found the reason why.
Because the prequels (at least the first two) completely fail at being entertaining films with compelling characters and a good story and are just more interested in shoving in new garbage rather than giving the audience something meaningful to dive into. Force Awakens is a pass the torch kind of film that brings Star Wars back to its roots and actually feels like a film with compelling characters and an actual story. An unimaginative cash grab? Nah, I'd say Attack Of The Clones was the ultimate awful cash grab while Force Awakens feels like an authentic sequel made by filmmakers who care deeply about the material. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Since I have actually seen the film, I can say that it's very far away from being propaganda but if it is the OT is no different and if these same people say the OT isn't guilty of what they're accusing of Force Awakens being then they're probably a bunch of hypocritical idiots that have no idea what they're even complaining about and are just offended by something different they're not used to. It's a horrifying thought, but I feel like these SJW pandering accusations wouldn't exist if Finn were white and Rey was a male.
Because the prequels (at least the first two) completely fail at being entertaining films with compelling characters and a good story and ar… moree just more interested in shoving in new garbage rather than giving the audience something meaningful to dive into. Force Awakens is a pass the torch kind of film that brings Star Wars back to its roots and actually feels like a film with compelling characters and an actual story. An unimaginative cash grab? Nah, I'd say Attack Of The Clones was the ultimate awful cash grab while Force Awakens feels like an authentic sequel made by filmmakers who care deeply about the material. Of course, that's just my opinion.
The structure is more of an amalgamation of what the OT was and stood for. Of course, Disney made the movie to make a lot of money but plenty of studios do that even Lucasfilm back when they were making the prequels. Even Universal was looking to make tons of money when they were making Jurassic World, which from last I heard was a film you really loved and got into when it first came out while ALOT of people called it a "lazy, unimaginative, unremarkable, piece of dogshit" cashgrab. At the end of the day with any film, what matters is the execution, and Force Awakens was everything I wanted it to be, even if it is a soft reboot of A New Hope but that didn't keep me from loving the characters and finding the film so engaging.
The structure is more of an amalgamation of what the OT was and stood for. Of course, Disney made the movie to make a lot of money but plent… morey of studios do that even Lucasfilm back when they were making the prequels. Even Universal was looking to make tons of money when they were making Jurassic World, which from last I heard was a film you really loved and got into when it first came out while ALOT of people called it a "lazy, unimaginative, unremarkable, piece of dogshit" cashgrab. At the end of the day with any film, what matters is the execution, and Force Awakens was everything I wanted it to be, even if it is a soft reboot of A New Hope but that didn't keep me from loving the characters and finding the film so engaging.
I'm not trying to make my opinion fact, but your opinion isn't fact either. We both just different interpretations and perspectives. Let's leave it at that.
P.S. I really enjoyed Jurassic World and didn't really agree with a lot of the negativity surrounding it.
So having a strong female lead in a high budget movie is somehow wrong?
Kind of pathetic how they must make those excuses to justify why it's so. They could just come out and tell the truth that they simply don't like strong females in real life.
It's 21th century guys, women are allowed to be strong and independent without raising it as "feminism" card. They don't need to be 16/7 in Kitchen making your favorite dishes.
I'm not trying to make my opinion fact, but your opinion isn't fact either. We both just different interpretations and perspectives. Let's l… moreeave it at that.
P.S. I really enjoyed Jurassic World and didn't really agree with a lot of the negativity surrounding it.
Yeah, I don't think it's common sense either. Speaking of the Star Wars community, it's a little disgusting in how a lot of the "angry minority" keeps acting like EVERY SINGLE Star Wars fan should be outraged at Disney and start boycotting every Star Wars thing Disney puts out though it's really not fair to the other group of fans who are perfectly understanding and are happy that they're getting new Star Wars stuff of course, they don't fully love EVERYTHING Disney is doing but they're NOT throwing a pathetic fit over something they don't have much control over.
Oh yeah, I'm also not a fan of this whole "Rey is a Mary Sue" bullshit.
So having a strong female lead in a high budget movie is somehow wrong?
Kind of pathetic how they must make those excuses to justify why … moreit's so. They could just come out and tell the truth that they simply don't like strong females in real life.
It's 21th century guys, women are allowed to be strong and independent without raising it as "feminism" card. They don't need to be 16/7 in Kitchen making your favorite dishes.
This is nothing but people drumming up controversy over nothing, just like SJW's do. Whoever wrote this probably sees SJW propaganda in everything. The idea of women needing to be submissive housewives is dying. People are tired of everything turning into a race/gender issue, and I don't blame them. This is what SJW nonsense does, in my opinion.
So having a strong female lead in a high budget movie is somehow wrong?
Kind of pathetic how they must make those excuses to justify why … moreit's so. They could just come out and tell the truth that they simply don't like strong females in real life.
It's 21th century guys, women are allowed to be strong and independent without raising it as "feminism" card. They don't need to be 16/7 in Kitchen making your favorite dishes.
This almost sounds like it was written by the same guy that got offended over the red Starbucks cups. Mainly because they're bitching and moaning about a topic that nobody gives a shit about and will never ever take seriously.
No but in all seriousness, I imagined someone sitting in a room and then they thought to themselves, "Y'know, it's been a while since somebody's been offended," and then just decided to write this article.
This is nothing but people drumming up controversy over nothing, just like SJW's do. Whoever wrote this probably sees SJW propaganda in ever… moreything. The idea of women needing to be submissive housewives is dying. People are tired of everything turning into a race/gender issue, and I don't blame them. This is what SJW nonsense does, in my opinion.
This almost sounds like it was written by the same guy that got offended over the red Starbucks cups. Mainly because they're bitching and mo… moreaning about a topic that nobody gives a shit about and will never ever take seriously.
No but in all seriousness, I imagined someone sitting in a room and then they thought to themselves, "Y'know, it's been a while since somebody's been offended," and then just decided to write this article.
I can understand the Mary Sue argument. Between her precocious grasp of the force, a knowledge of spacecraft technology that rivals Han's, and her own climbing and hand-to-hand combat abilities, Rey does come off as being somewhat omni-capable. She's also extremely kind-hearted and quickly gains the admiration of the other characters in the story. I didn't mind it myself, as this is pretty par for the course for any "Chosen One" in a fantasy, but I do want to see her struggle a bit more in the next film.
Yeah, I don't think it's common sense either. Speaking of the Star Wars community, it's a little disgusting in how a lot of the "angry mino… morerity" keeps acting like EVERY SINGLE Star Wars fan should be outraged at Disney and start boycotting every Star Wars thing Disney puts out though it's really not fair to the other group of fans who are perfectly understanding and are happy that they're getting new Star Wars stuff of course, they don't fully love EVERYTHING Disney is doing but they're NOT throwing a pathetic fit over something they don't have much control over.
Oh yeah, I'm also not a fan of this whole "Rey is a Mary Sue" bullshit.
Do you know much about the female Thor or comics in general? Is she one of many different story arcs/timelines? If so I don't see the problem is using an established hero and telling a new story.
I felt there was a justification to her talents namely in how the film used visual storytelling in showing people how she operated as a scavenger and a survivor out in the desert. Also, I thought a Mary Sue was flawlessly perfect at everything whether it be externally and internally but Rey isn't perfect, she accidently releases the monsters on Han's ship, she fully believes Finn's lie, she's afraid of herself and her Jedi destiny, she runs away from Kylo out of fear (twice). She's just a strong female character who is tough and fends for herself but has her weaknesses as well as being very likeable and spunky. I still think this wouldn't be as big of a Mary Sue issue if Rey were male but that's just how I see it. Hopefully things will get cleared up in Episode 8.
I can understand the Mary Sue argument. Between her precocious grasp of the force, a knowledge of spacecraft technology that rivals Han's, a… morend her own climbing and hand-to-hand combat abilities, Rey does come off as being somewhat omni-capable. She's also extremely kind-hearted and quickly gains the admiration of the other characters in the story. I didn't mind it myself, as this is pretty par for the course for any "Chosen One" in a fantasy, but I do want to see her struggle a bit more in the next film.
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Do you know much about the female Thor or comics in general? Is she one of many different story arcs/timelines? If so I don't see the problem is using an established hero and telling a new story.
It is the original timeline as far as i know.
So I've done some research! Female Thor is just a stop gap as "Thor" appears in comics in the future. So yeh female Thor is canon while Thor is not worthy. I agree it seems off that she takes the name of Thor an addition to his powers.
Did you find why he is unworthy ? I know it happend in original sin when the whatcher was killed and all the secrets where exposed. But i never found the reason why.
Well, she doesn't so much as "take" the name as much as he gives it to her: http://madmansmind.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Thor-004-018.jpg
She does come to embrace it as her role, though, stating something along the lines of "the world needs a Thor."
Nick Fury said something to Thor which made him unworthy, but we don't know what Nick said! It's likely the writers don't know yet. The comic forums are not happy about it anyway
Because the prequels (at least the first two) completely fail at being entertaining films with compelling characters and a good story and are just more interested in shoving in new garbage rather than giving the audience something meaningful to dive into. Force Awakens is a pass the torch kind of film that brings Star Wars back to its roots and actually feels like a film with compelling characters and an actual story. An unimaginative cash grab? Nah, I'd say Attack Of The Clones was the ultimate awful cash grab while Force Awakens feels like an authentic sequel made by filmmakers who care deeply about the material. Of course, that's just my opinion.
Since I have actually seen the film, I can say that it's very far away from being propaganda but if it is the OT is no different and if these same people say the OT isn't guilty of what they're accusing of Force Awakens being then they're probably a bunch of hypocritical idiots that have no idea what they're even complaining about and are just offended by something different they're not used to. It's a horrifying thought, but I feel like these SJW pandering accusations wouldn't exist if Finn were white and Rey was a male.
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The structure is more of an amalgamation of what the OT was and stood for. Of course, Disney made the movie to make a lot of money but plenty of studios do that even Lucasfilm back when they were making the prequels. Even Universal was looking to make tons of money when they were making Jurassic World, which from last I heard was a film you really loved and got into when it first came out while ALOT of people called it a "lazy, unimaginative, unremarkable, piece of dogshit" cashgrab. At the end of the day with any film, what matters is the execution, and Force Awakens was everything I wanted it to be, even if it is a soft reboot of A New Hope but that didn't keep me from loving the characters and finding the film so engaging.
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I'm not trying to make my opinion fact, but your opinion isn't fact either. We both just different interpretations and perspectives. Let's leave it at that.
P.S. I really enjoyed Jurassic World and didn't really agree with a lot of the negativity surrounding it.
So having a strong female lead in a high budget movie is somehow wrong?
Kind of pathetic how they must make those excuses to justify why it's so. They could just come out and tell the truth that they simply don't like strong females in real life.
It's 21th century guys, women are allowed to be strong and independent without raising it as "feminism" card. They don't need to be 16/7 in Kitchen making your favorite dishes.
Because everything has to be a social justice issue, sigh...
Seriously, this felt like much less of a propaganda film than Mad Max Fury Road, and even that barely felt like it had a feminist message.
That's literally my motto on IMBd lol
Good to know you liked Jurassic World too
Yeah, I don't think it's common sense either. Speaking of the Star Wars community, it's a little disgusting in how a lot of the "angry minority" keeps acting like EVERY SINGLE Star Wars fan should be outraged at Disney and start boycotting every Star Wars thing Disney puts out though it's really not fair to the other group of fans who are perfectly understanding and are happy that they're getting new Star Wars stuff of course, they don't fully love EVERYTHING Disney is doing but they're NOT throwing a pathetic fit over something they don't have much control over.
Oh yeah, I'm also not a fan of this whole "Rey is a Mary Sue" bullshit.
No, it's not wrong. What is wrong is that a strong female lead has to be called a SJW pandering Mary Sue nowadays. It's unbelievable.
Haven't seen the movie yet, can't say. But from what I've heard and seen, they're wrong.
This is nothing but people drumming up controversy over nothing, just like SJW's do. Whoever wrote this probably sees SJW propaganda in everything. The idea of women needing to be submissive housewives is dying. People are tired of everything turning into a race/gender issue, and I don't blame them. This is what SJW nonsense does, in my opinion.
This almost sounds like it was written by the same guy that got offended over the red Starbucks cups. Mainly because they're bitching and moaning about a topic that nobody gives a shit about and will never ever take seriously.
No but in all seriousness, I imagined someone sitting in a room and then they thought to themselves, "Y'know, it's been a while since somebody's been offended," and then just decided to write this article.
The horseshoe is strong with this one.
The Starbucks thing turned out to be satire. So I hope its the same guy. If the author here is actually serious, that makes me sad.
Considering this is the male equivalent of Jezebel, I think it's fair we don't take these guys seriously at all.
I'm not sure I get what you mean.
Look at the amount of people in the comments section agreeing with the guy though. Jesus Christ.
Rednecks, rascists and assholes everywhere.
SJW practice and anti-SJW practice fall in rather well with the horseshoe effect. I just put it in Star Wars lingo.
Oh okay. Thanks. I tend to miss the joke sometimes.
I can understand the Mary Sue argument. Between her precocious grasp of the force, a knowledge of spacecraft technology that rivals Han's, and her own climbing and hand-to-hand combat abilities, Rey does come off as being somewhat omni-capable. She's also extremely kind-hearted and quickly gains the admiration of the other characters in the story. I didn't mind it myself, as this is pretty par for the course for any "Chosen One" in a fantasy, but I do want to see her struggle a bit more in the next film.
Yes. It's canon and yes, from scenes i've seen, it's a SJW thor.
I felt there was a justification to her talents namely in how the film used visual storytelling in showing people how she operated as a scavenger and a survivor out in the desert. Also, I thought a Mary Sue was flawlessly perfect at everything whether it be externally and internally but Rey isn't perfect, she accidently releases the monsters on Han's ship, she fully believes Finn's lie, she's afraid of herself and her Jedi destiny, she runs away from Kylo out of fear (twice). She's just a strong female character who is tough and fends for herself but has her weaknesses as well as being very likeable and spunky. I still think this wouldn't be as big of a Mary Sue issue if Rey were male but that's just how I see it. Hopefully things will get cleared up in Episode 8.