I get why she did it and why she felt that way, and I feel sorry for her because I think her life after Asher (and maybe even before) must h… moreave been really crappy. Still, the fact she's in la la land kind of undermines the justification of everything she does in episode six for me. It struck me as a little messed up right away that she just assumed that their marriage is something Asher would just agree to, I mean, he hasn't been stuck in a house for four plus years, maybe he's moved on! I respect her for making her own choices and trying to work things out herself, but she really didn't have her head 100% on her shoulders and had unrealistic expectations from the first and in episode six she seemed to gain a really selfish aspect. The marriage was obviously something she wanted and talked Ludd into somehow because if it would have been fine, why didn't they just get married before... it concerns me too that if you kill Ludd she stabs Asher, … [view original content]
I always thought that she never found out about the port ambush, and as a result couldn't warn them. But my main problem with her was what she does differently depending on which brother you save. If Rodrik lives and Asher dies, she warns you of the attack, but if Asher lives and Rodrik dies, she doesn't seem to care about Rodrik's death and wants to have peace between the houses. What's up with that?
She may have warned you that Ludd and Gryff are coming, but why the hell wouldn't she warn us about the ambush that Asher was the target of?
This woman is playing games.
Because she is a hypocrite and incredibly naive. She constantly tries to justify her awful family's atrocities and then she wants us to basically forget everything they have done, yet when Asher kills Gryff or Ludd and gains revenge for what they have done to his family, she stabs him in the back.
Let's go over what her family (especially her fat fuck of a father) has done:
Ludd smiled as Ethan was murdered by the psychopath known as Ramsay then says that the Forrester's brought it on themselves
Tells Ryon that his father died because he was a coward and fills his head with lies while he was being held hostage
The Whitehills have done nothing but humiliate and mock the Forresters, and basically shit all over their home as well as destroying their Ironwood
Gryff and the rest of the Whitehill garrison murder Rodrik at the harbor
After all this, Gwyn honestly expects us to submit to her evil family? I don't think so
I think it's really stupid that during the playthrough with Asher, when he and Gwyn are talking. Asher mentions the ambush, and Gwyn says it's all in the past. Like are fucking kidding me? Gryff kills Asher's brother and attempts to murder him in the process, and what does Gwyn say about that? "It's all in the past." LIKE REALLY bitch? Your dumbass family killed Rodrik like three hours ago.
The Whitehills seem so very Saturday Morning Cartoon Evil that I doubt it is even possible to portray them as sympathetic even through their own eyes. Ludd is like one of the villains from Captain Planet... bein all "Mwahaha! I will steal all your forests and cut them down!" ... Dude doesn't even care about the future of his own house if there is an opportunity to do something evil and then gloat about it.
They're complete failures as Westerosi characters.
Like I said in my previous post, that might give us a better view of whatever Gwyn is doing to help in Highpoint. However, even if Ryon's on… morely occasionally abused in the manner you described, the player character is still the victim and it won't really solve much in terms of eliciting sympathy for the antagonists as a whole (which is the point I'm trying to make). Playing as an actual Whitehill, getting to see events through their eyes and interact with other family members through them is the best way to balance the scales.
damn I didn't even hate Gwyn till i read this. This post is like a fine line of hater-aid that is cooling to drink and settles down the throat smoothly.
I don't really get it. I hated Ashley for being christian in a sci-fi setting mostly, and also somewhat for her annoying G.I.Jane attitude. Then I hear everyone else hates her because of racism... and I'm all like "of course she is... because she is religious".
But that doesn't really matter now anyway. I left Ashley to die on Virmire every time.
Mass Effect 3 is all about hating Kai Leng.
For what it is worth, I didn't much like Javic nor Zaaed either. Javic bothered me because he hates AI, and I like EDI (also Javic has an African accent for some bizarre reason, and it seems completely stupid for him to randomly speak with an African accent after learning the language from Shepard's brain). Zaaed is just another useless soldier-boy who is full of himself. I don't like the soldier class much. James bothers the hell out of me too. Useless meat-lump.
that s the same thing with alot of games for example:
Mass effect 3 which incorporates choices in the game: paragon and renegade
have a ve… morery hated character named: Ashley who is supposedly racist because she said this line towards a non sentient alien (doesnt talk also irrational)
which fixes the things in the first game (One of them cause there are a lot of em) : i cant tell the aliens from the animals (which was aimed specifically to those aliens named keepers) everyone hated her whilst characters like: Javik who is a major A-hole racist gets alot of praise and Zaaed a mercenary who tried to let civilians be burned just to get his target was liked by the fans ...
@Differic. If Telltale chose to do this, i.e. take Gwyn from being a hated conspirator against the Foresters to actually being a victim of … moreher own families actions <-----------THIS, this would be more in keeping with GRRM's style than killing off everyone in sight!
GRRM himself does this when he takes Tyrion, who for most of the story he had made everyone sympathise with. He flipped this on it's head and made us see a darker more monstrous side to him. Then he took Jamie whom everyone had previously despised and though his POV chapters showed us a different more likeable side to him.
I'm like... halfway through the last presently extant book. Tyrion, having just been captured by Jorah, has thus far not done anything I'd regard as ethically unjust to the best of my knowledge.
I hope we can. Cant fucking believe she stabbed Asher. And her and her stupid peace. I was like "shut it woman, you dont know your father!" She was naive. Her father never wanted peace. She was stupid the whole game. but I tolerated her up until she stabbed Asher (the man she loved) because she at least was trying to help. But fuck her. The Whitehills all suck big time.
I hope, I wanted to kill her since the first moment she appears.
This is the problem with establishing a supposed romantic interest in the past to a character that I don´t see or hear till they tell me "remember this person? yeah you loved her soooooo much". No, I don´t, I don´t know this person, I don´t like her lies and I certainly don´t trust no fucking whitehills, so, INTO THE PIT FIRE WITH HER!!
A Dance of Dragons. The only thing I can really think of that was horrible was the way he treated a prostitute. Its been a while since I read it. Mostly Tyron was just really obnoxious and annoying.
... Which book was the fifth again?
I'm like... halfway through the last presently extant book. Tyrion, having just been captured by Jorah, has thus far not done anything I'd regard as ethically unjust to the best of my knowledge.
Because she is a hypocrite and incredibly naive. She constantly tries to justify her awful family's atrocities and then she wants us to basi… morecally forget everything they have done, yet when Asher kills Gryff or Ludd and gains revenge for what they have done to his family, she stabs him in the back.
Let's go over what her family (especially her fat fuck of a father) has done:
* Ludd smiled as Ethan was murdered by the psychopath known as Ramsay then says that the Forrester's brought it on themselves
* Tells Ryon that his father died because he was a coward and fills his head with lies while he was being held hostage
* The Whitehills have done nothing but humiliate and mock the Forresters, and basically shit all over their home as well as destroying their Ironwood
* Gryff and the rest of the Whitehill garrison murder Rodrik at the harbor
After all this, Gwyn honestly expects us to submit to her evil family? I don't think so
He's already said his reasons for hating her ,which I disagree with, but respect.
Firstly thanks, and I hope you realise I feel the … moresame about your opinions, I like debate about things, disagree to opinions not people.
Also i've already mentioned everything I think about Gwyn however to approach your other points
Sarah in TWD, people hated her because she couldn't be something she was not.
I've also discussed Sarah a lot and overall I agree she got hate exaggerated to what the character did. However again I think that for the vast majority of players, they didnt hate sarah. They just didnt care. This is arguably just as bad and I admit there was a group of players who did want sarah to die, but even these players were just about inaction. To compare in season 1 the hate ben got was even worse, after episode 3 there were numerous threads about wanting to kill ben and that there should have been an option to push him of… [view original content]
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She may have warned you that Ludd and Gryff are coming, but why the hell wouldn't she warn us about the ambush that Asher was the target of?
This woman is playing games.
I always thought that she never found out about the port ambush, and as a result couldn't warn them. But my main problem with her was what she does differently depending on which brother you save. If Rodrik lives and Asher dies, she warns you of the attack, but if Asher lives and Rodrik dies, she doesn't seem to care about Rodrik's death and wants to have peace between the houses. What's up with that?
Because she is a hypocrite and incredibly naive. She constantly tries to justify her awful family's atrocities and then she wants us to basically forget everything they have done, yet when Asher kills Gryff or Ludd and gains revenge for what they have done to his family, she stabs him in the back.
Let's go over what her family (especially her fat fuck of a father) has done:
After all this, Gwyn honestly expects us to submit to her evil family? I don't think so
I think it's really stupid that during the playthrough with Asher, when he and Gwyn are talking. Asher mentions the ambush, and Gwyn says it's all in the past. Like are fucking kidding me? Gryff kills Asher's brother and attempts to murder him in the process, and what does Gwyn say about that? "It's all in the past." LIKE REALLY bitch? Your dumbass family killed Rodrik like three hours ago.
The Whitehills seem so very Saturday Morning Cartoon Evil that I doubt it is even possible to portray them as sympathetic even through their own eyes. Ludd is like one of the villains from Captain Planet... bein all "Mwahaha! I will steal all your forests and cut them down!" ... Dude doesn't even care about the future of his own house if there is an opportunity to do something evil and then gloat about it.
They're complete failures as Westerosi characters.
I'd just like to take a moment out of my busy day to say... that is one of the best comments I've read all day. Anywhere. =D
I don't really get it. I hated Ashley for being christian in a sci-fi setting mostly, and also somewhat for her annoying G.I.Jane attitude. Then I hear everyone else hates her because of racism... and I'm all like "of course she is... because she is religious".
But that doesn't really matter now anyway. I left Ashley to die on Virmire every time.
Mass Effect 3 is all about hating Kai Leng.
For what it is worth, I didn't much like Javic nor Zaaed either. Javic bothered me because he hates AI, and I like EDI (also Javic has an African accent for some bizarre reason, and it seems completely stupid for him to randomly speak with an African accent after learning the language from Shepard's brain). Zaaed is just another useless soldier-boy who is full of himself. I don't like the soldier class much. James bothers the hell out of me too. Useless meat-lump.
When did Tyrion ever do anything dark or monstrous?
You must not have read book five. Before that, there was the bowl of brown.
... Which book was the fifth again?
I'm like... halfway through the last presently extant book. Tyrion, having just been captured by Jorah, has thus far not done anything I'd regard as ethically unjust to the best of my knowledge.
I hope we can. Cant fucking believe she stabbed Asher. And her and her stupid peace. I was like "shut it woman, you dont know your father!" She was naive. Her father never wanted peace. She was stupid the whole game. but I tolerated her up until she stabbed Asher (the man she loved) because she at least was trying to help. But fuck her. The Whitehills all suck big time.
I hope, I wanted to kill her since the first moment she appears.
This is the problem with establishing a supposed romantic interest in the past to a character that I don´t see or hear till they tell me "remember this person? yeah you loved her soooooo much". No, I don´t, I don´t know this person, I don´t like her lies and I certainly don´t trust no fucking whitehills, so, INTO THE PIT FIRE WITH HER!!
A Dance of Dragons. The only thing I can really think of that was horrible was the way he treated a prostitute. Its been a while since I read it. Mostly Tyron was just really obnoxious and annoying.
You have now convinced me, Gwyn is a bitch.
when bonnie was being a bitch in episode 5 i was like: DID TELLTALE JUST BUTCHER BONNIE S ENTIRE FREAKING CHARACTER?
I highly doubt we will have to kill her, she is a good character and is the only person that truly made sense in the game
I'll kill her the first chance I get.
I love how divisive she is. She is a well written character regardless of your opinion
Most likely since Asher's ending with Gwyn is determinant but then again who knows.