No one else is alive!
This is something I want to talk about here because honestly, this is something that I feel has to change with this game and quick.
As of right now, Clem and AJ are the only characters that are not dead or who have a determinant or unknown status. That means that after 2 seasons of the walking dead, there are only 2 characters with the status of alive. To make matters worse, Clem is the only developed character who has this status. Now, as compelling of a character as Clem is, it gets really old when the same character is set down to be the only survivor at the end of a season. Surely they can't keep this going into a 3rd season?
That's the advantage the comic and the TV show (to a really, really small extent), has over this game. You get a WHOLE cast of characters that have developed and changed as the story has progressed, and they've lasted longer than a couple of episodes or pages.
Now, i'm not suggesting Telltale go crazy and keep EVERY character alive, too many cooks spoiling the broth and all that malarkey. But, maybe just giving us, i don't know... someone or something else to root for and identify with. I feel it can only help the series if this happens. I'm also guessing that this is at least partly the reason why some of you guys want a different protagonist to Clem. It's something fresh, new and exciting. It also presents new possibilities of people to root for and get behind. I truly hope Michonne is the start of this. I feel it can add something to the game and really take it up a level.
Thoughts? Should Telltale continue making Clem the sole focus for long term development, or try to develop those around her long term?
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100% agree
I hope they do change it. Currently I'm unwilling to get attached to any new characters in the future, because their odds of survival into another season of the game look pretty low right about now. Like that Peter Pan stunt double kid held at gunpoint in Michonne's mini series trailer, yeah, yeah he dead. I don't even have to play game, he so dead. I'm calling it right now.
If more characters could survive with the alive status, that would be a big plus. But I still want Clementine in the story, just not as an under-aged mother.
I'm indifferent. I don't care who lives or dies as long as Clem survives. The way I see it, it's the zombie apocalypse and there's no rules or reason why certain characters should survive as long as Telltale does it all in a belivable manner.
I agree
I don't particularly care.
Agreed.
That's a good point, in a believable manner. I'd argue that 2 years into a zombie apocalypse, you're more likely to run into people that are more than capable of surviving. If they got 2 years in, they must be somewhat alright. I mean, it was totally embarrassing how much the cabin group actually came to rely on Clem, an 11 year old girl, to do pretty much everything for them. They died and sure, not everyone is going to survive realistically. But I saw no evidence to make me believe that they could have possibly lasted that long in the first place.
There are no rules, you're right. But it's a story at the end of the day and if it becomes predictable, you're gonna have a bad time.
That is because as Carver said, they were all Sheep. They needed a Shepard. They didn't have one, with all the in fighting, indecision, it was a disaster waiting to happen.
we dont know that lilly wasnt mentioned there is also crista there is molly they werent mentioned or dead yet they are still possibly alive plus clem is not alone this time she has a chace to be with aj also either with jane and the family or kenny or with edith and her group but she is not exactly alone
These other characters have a determinate or unknown status. We all know that 'determinant' for a Telltale character means they are not around for the long term. That means Kenny and Jane will not be around for long. Just being with the new characters is also determinant, so they will not be around for long either, unless we'll meet all of them, which is unlikely
As for Lilly, Molly and Christa... As much as it would be interesting to see them back, it's already been done with Kenny. It's not realistic to expect to meet with them again after that. It could also have the same effect on other characters as Kenny did and ultimately kill any chance that new characters can develop, as the returning character becomes the focus.
Lilly has her own path, likely will never been seen again. Molly is a loner, more so than Jane, likely never to bee seen again. Christa, I heard a gunshot and what sounded like hacking with a knife/blade or spear.. I'm pretty sure she is dead, just it happened off camera.
I don't really care about it tbh. It's a zombie apocalypse, shit happens and people die. Clem is the focus of the story and she's the reason why I care.
Every character should have some development in my opinion, that's what I've always dislike about characters that appear just to die moments later - they have little to no development. I can understand that when it's say, a fight between a random group of survivors but when it comes to encounters with the main character and other people, I feel those other people should be developed - Clementine should've been given the option to speak with each member of the Cabin Group at different points in time and learn more about their backstories and their opinions on events that had transpired in my opinion.
I mean, I get it. It's The Walking Dead, a shit ton of people die. But really? Everyone of them being either dead, unknown, or determinant and the only two survivors is a kid and a baby? It's not like every single character has to die.
They do need to continue with developing Clem. She needs to be the focus like she's been since the very beginning. But they need to have more long term well developed characters like Kenny love him hate him he made a big impact on the story and was very well developed( I don't care what your opinion about him is I don't want a Kenny argument! That's not what this threads about). What they did with Omid was cheap and a waste of a great character to the series. I don't mind what they did with Christa but they did it too early. Jane should have stayed gone so she could come back next season. People are going to die but I don't think everyone should at the end of every season. That would make the well developed characters eventual death have a greater impact like lee or Carley or Larry or Kenny (if you kill him). Their deaths had a heavy impact on the player. At least they did for me.
Now that you mentioned that, how much did we know about Alvin's past?
Besides that he and Rebecca once went skiing, somewhere.
I think the biggest offender out of the cabin group is Carlos. We literally know nothing about Carlos' past. He has a daughter, he's a doctor, and that's basically it. Even Alvin has the small story about going skiing, and even about him about killing George. Carlos, in comparison, has nothing. We got more one-on-one scenes with Alvin than we did Carlos.
Alright, I give you that one. But to be fair to Carlos, he have enough stuff to form a skeleton of a backstory. We know that he had a wife or lover because of Sarah. And he was a doctor before the outbreak. With Alvin we know literally nothing about what he did before the outbreak.
Another problem is, if you're killing off popular characters then you need to keep writing new ones in. This puts more pressure on the writers and makes it more difficult to write characters that are just as interesting, or more interesting, than the characters before them. Especially as the series moves further along.
That's one thing I love about the comics. They actually take the time to develop a crap ton of characters to actually keep it interesting and add more shock value that actually has impact to the readers.
Though I really enjoyed Season Two, I couldn't help but feel that the lack of character depth really hurt their storyline.
Telltale's TWD: An example of how to build a story for the purpose of completely destroying it, and leaving fans feeling like shit.
[crawls out from large pile of empty vodka bottles and half eaten waffles] uh, w-wha....lakes- [collapses]
Not much apart from a rivalry and a ski trip - this makes me think that Rebecca was with Alvin before the Apocalypse began, which might hint that Rebecca's relationship with Carver wasn't completely double sided.
Sarah could've been adopted or even could've had two Dads. I would really like some kind of DLC that looks into their backstories tbh.
Only those with plot armor can live
Fucking done. You deserve a like.
The thing that was different in season 1 was that it was perfectly realistic that the whole group could fall apart and die as they eventually did because they weren't ready for survival. However, it wasn't death just for the sake of shock value, like Omid. They served a purpose in helping the development of characters around them.
Plot Armor, if not for it there would have been only one James Bond Story!, One ZELDA ect! TTG Does its best,but at the end of the day, it comes down to what makes for a good franchise VS what's best for a stand alone story! TTG has found a formula here that works! They would be foolish to not keep to said formula. I know some hate this but its true! Can they use clever missdirects to liven things up? Sure, but they won't break forum completly! That's just bad for business! Just my humble thoughts.
I think Clem should be the main focus but killing off at least one character every episode just doesn't work anymore. I want to get attached to characters before they're killed off.
Game of Thrones have its flaws, but at least in that game, I grew attached to my family, friends and allies because they all remain alive until we reached the end. And my attachment to them grew because I experienced the events with them.
I hope that Season 3 doesn't kill characters off just when we get to know them.