What Really Pisses You Off?

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  • People who only bring up men's issues when women's issues are being discussed.

    Yeah there are issues that men face that need to be addressed, but if you only bring them up when we're trying to address issues that women face, it's obvious that you don't actually care about male domestic abuse or whatever, and you're just trying to make everything about you.

  • It can't be because men's issues just aren't being discussed.

    Flog61 posted: »

    People who only bring up men's issues when women's issues are being discussed. Yeah there are issues that men face that need to be addres

  • shrugs personally everyone has their right to some denialism. Canada is still in denial that Roy Brown didn't shoot down the Red Baron, going so far to edit the BLOOD NORTH AMERICAN RELEASE OF THE MOVIE THE RED BARON!!!!!!!! If terrorist were going to blow something up that darn studio needs to be blown up! Sorry that actually TICKED me off and is insanely relevant to the thread and this little mini discussion. lol

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    That's all well and good, but in the absence of good, scholarly support, I'm forced to assume that it's a conspiracy theory. It's hard for

  • edited February 2016

    That's a load of rubbish. You can't say 'we only discuss men's rights when women's issues are being discussed because men's issues aren't being discussed', that's circular logic. YOU are the ones who need to create dialogue about it, and the way to do that isn't to take over every single discussion about women.

    There are many male charity's that, if they truly cared about men's issues, people would help. Instead they only go 'what about men' when someone tried to talk about women for 5 seconds.

    International mens day is posted about more on International WOMEN's day than on the day itself, because many men care more about having dialogue being about us than the actual issues at hand. If you care about men's issues, campaign agaisnt them in absolution. Don't try to take over existing dialogues which are the only way that women's rights can be fought for.

    Men's rights are almost always brought up in order to try to remove attention from women's rights. The current movement is destructive and not constructive. It's a joke.

    if you care about men's rights, actually do shit instead of whining that 'men have it so hard'. Join a charity, sponsor a charity, start a campaign.

    Whining when dialogue isn't about us is selfish and pathetic.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    It can't be because men's issues just aren't being discussed.

  • Not to sound rude, or hateful but....

    2000 years of Lazy men relying on slavery to fuel their economies. Then colonialism destroyed it almost over night. Then they just turned their women into 3rd class citizens with ever more oppressive laws, to do all the work for them. End result is "do" nothing males who expect to get paid high for minimal work. Pity really. Why do you think the Greeks so easily destroyed the Persians? They were using wicker shields, cloth armor........ vs Bronze/iron.

    Biggest difference between Europe/Asia and Africa/Arab world... that insanely almost slave like male work ethic that built empires, but also fueled the world's most violent wars as well.

    We in the USA saw this when i came to the Southern states. It had well over 100 years of Slavery fueled economy, when that crumbled.. well lets say the States below the Ohio river are still not as industrialized and well evolved than the rest of the country. Even after slavery ended they just created Jim Crow so they could still have slavery to fuel the local economy and that lasted into the 1960s. Georgia which I have family in today has seen much construction of new roads and infrastructure since the 1990s as the state is still trying to modernize and catch up to the rest of the country.

    This has given the Southern USA the stigma of being Lazy and Laid back. It is sad when you see aid organizations which were created for Africa and other impoverish nations show up in Tennessee to help poor Southerns with medical care as if they're living in a 3rd world country which in some parts in the South kind of are...

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  • Yeah, no problem. I just don't want this to derail and get locked like other topics, that's all.

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    Thank you! My purpose was not to debate. Personally, I'm done debating my beliefs and opinions.

  • Please don't tell me Tumblr is your only source of education. This doesn't happen offline. Like, ever.

    Flog61 posted: »

    That's a load of rubbish. You can't say 'we only discuss men's rights when women's issues are being discussed because men's issues aren't be

  • edited February 2016

    That's a load of rubbish to your load of rubbish.

    It's a bit difficult when no one is willing to hear the dialogue nor act on it. I've personally brought it up 6 times in my various humanities classes just to be shrugged off. Feminism has the "benefit" of being a huge movement with massive political power (totalling about 27 percent of the population in the United States IIRC (EDIT: of the population that identify as feminists, not 27 percent of political power)), so it's understandable that people who want to talk about the tails side of the coin would attempted to use the heads side as a starting point, since the heads side is already face up and grabbing a lot of attention and no one gives two shits about the side on the table.

    In addition most points that feminists refer to as female problems aren't just female problems, and the ones that are are often trivial beyond the capacity for a rational person to take seriously. Such as cat calling. Or expecting a person to overcome innate biological responses, such as finding beautiful people beautiful and judging a person based on physical attributes (which females of our species do more serverly than males do, us being a naturally polygamous species). So, when someone who cares about the problems men face, real problems, hears feminists bitching about being told they're beautiful on the street it can be hard to choke back the frustration.

    (Hastily written)

    Flog61 posted: »

    That's a load of rubbish. You can't say 'we only discuss men's rights when women's issues are being discussed because men's issues aren't be

  • It pisses me off when I know I shouldnt really say what pisses me off or it would start a flame war

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  • Don't forget about the all too serious issue of sitting with your legs spread to a degree that you might find comfortable. Still waiting for our proposed changes to be implemented to public transportation in that regard.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    That's a load of rubbish to your load of rubbish. It's a bit difficult when no one is willing to hear the dialogue nor act on it. I've pe

  • Don't be scared, piss us off, we'll get over it. It's better to be pissed off than to be pissed on.

    NorthStars posted: »

    It pisses me off when I know I shouldnt really say what pisses me off or it would start a flame war

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited February 2016

    I'm just saying, you need to think about where these sources come from and how that affects their credibility.

    Kameraden posted: »

    shrugs personally everyone has their right to some denialism. Canada is still in denial that Roy Brown didn't shoot down the Red Baron, goi

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited February 2016

    nevermind, don't wanna get involved.

    Please don't tell me Tumblr is your only source of education. This doesn't happen offline. Like, ever.

  • Don't worry, I saw your original comment. I apologize to you, Flog. The comment you made sounded far too unpleasant and familiar to something someone on a certain website would've made.

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    nevermind, don't wanna get involved.

  • edited February 2016

    What, where did you even get that?

    I don't have a tumblr account and have never gone on tumblr.

    My source of information is talkign with peopel around my university.

    And example: I recently started volunteering for a women's shelter. When I told my friend this (it was relevant we were talking about volunteering) he looked at me and said 'But men have problems too, why just volunteer at a woman's shelter'? I explained that female homeless people experience issues that male ones don't, such as lacking access to tampons etc. He said it was still wrong and that he thought men's rights were just as important for the homeless.

    So I told him to volunteer for a male homeless shelter in my city, of which there are multiple. He's done nothing.

    It's very common in many issues, not just sexism, that people try to derail discussions to be about themselves. It's like a friend at a party who always manages to end up talking about themselves for 50 minutes as the rest of you will yourself away.

    It's wrong for women to start talking incessantly about women's rights when men's rights are the focus of the discussion. And vice versa.

    Please don't tell me Tumblr is your only source of education. This doesn't happen offline. Like, ever.

  • edited February 2016

    People are willing to hear the dialogue and act on it. Men's charities exist. Join them. Promote them.

    Also intersectional feminism is about not telling boys what they should and shouldn't be either (hence don't make boys feel bad if they don't want to play with guns etc.), read feminist theory in your local library :)

    So, when someone who cares about the problems men face, real problems, hears feminists bitching about being told they're beautiful on the street it can be hard to choke back the frustration.

    I'm not really gonna begin with this, but if you think feminists are in power and don't receive abuse then you're off your rocker. Trust me, you get mocked A LOT on the internet or in real life for wanting to, e.g., not get angry at a boy for wanting to play with a doll.

    Feminists are mocked eternally for what they believe in but you know what? They still fight for it. If you believe men's rights are important, if you believe men suffer problems disproportionally (like biphobia) then do something about it.

    Being reactionary is childish and non constructive. Be revolutionary. Write essays, campaign. Don't just throw your toys out of the pram when someone dares to say that women have it worse in some ways in our society.

    I'll say it again - feminists are mocked more than perhaps any other group on the internet, and they still manage to chill and focus on the issues they're passionate about. Why not do the same for men's rights. Feminist videos are bombarded by dislikes, negative comments and very often rape threats in private messages. If feminists can experience that and still have the courage to fight for what they believe in, so can you.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    That's a load of rubbish to your load of rubbish. It's a bit difficult when no one is willing to hear the dialogue nor act on it. I've pe

  • edited February 2016

    Sitting with your legs stretched so wide apart that you occupy two seats isn't necessary unless you're very wide, in which case no-one would disagree with it.

    The human body makes it most possible for a male to sit with his legs together.

    Also something that's interesting, women are received differently if they sit in the same way:

    Don't forget about the all too serious issue of sitting with your legs spread to a degree that you might find comfortable. Still waiting for our proposed changes to be implemented to public transportation in that regard.

  • Another user mentioned you actually do activism, so I apologize for my comment towards you. Your response was far too unpleasant and familiar to something someone on Tumblr might've written. . far too much so. So, I do apologize for jumping to conclusions.

    Flog61 posted: »

    What, where did you even get that? I don't have a tumblr account and have never gone on tumblr. My source of information is talkign wi

  • I promise my first reply will be polite.

    NorthStars posted: »

    It pisses me off when I know I shouldnt really say what pisses me off or it would start a flame war

  • edited February 2016

    A prime example as mentioned before: 'International men's day' is mentioned much more on 'international women's day' than on the day itself. Why do you personally think this is? I mean, clearly SOME people are mentioning international mens day on women's day, but not on men's day. There interest and desire for such a day wanes. Why?

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    It can't be because men's issues just aren't being discussed.

  • edited February 2016

    I know it's trendy these days to get offended by everything, but if you are so offended by feminism that you feel totally paralysed every time you want to talk about men's mental health (for example) then that's your problem really, not theirs. Try to get less offended by other people's opinions.

    (And FYI, I'm a man, and a feminist, and I campaigned for men's mental health on international men's day. They aren't mutually exclusive, you can care about men's rights and be a feminist, and that's really what feminisms about. Again, go to the library for an hour or two and read some feminist academia. Join adult discussion groups, and watch some ted talks. Educate yourself.)

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    That's a load of rubbish to your load of rubbish. It's a bit difficult when no one is willing to hear the dialogue nor act on it. I've pe

  • edited February 2016

    I don't think it was that unpleasant, I didn't insult anyone, just criticised what they were saying, but I'm sorry you felt that way.

    Out of interest, does most of your perception of feminism come from the real world or from the internet? If the latter you may be susceptible to what you were accusing me of.

    I'm going on liek a broken record about this lol, but I really reccomend people read feminist academia and just try joining some charities and groups working for equal rights. Your eyes will probably be opened about what feminisms actually like.

    Another user mentioned you actually do activism, so I apologize for my comment towards you. Your response was far too unpleasant and familia

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  • No, I suppose you didn't insult or criticize anyone, I do admit that much. There was a sense of aggression, however, whether you intended it or not and that tends to bring out the aggression in me. Which, as we can see, doesn't bide very well.

    And both, actually.

    My older sister is a feminist and I don't get along with her. Same with my cousin. This isn't because of their views, it's because of their actions (i.e: my cousin lying about rape, discrediting the rape of myself and her /now/ former best friend). I understand it might be appeal to some academically and that's fine. I have feminist role models (The Grimke sisters, Christina Hoff Sommers, etc) even. But so many people are discrediting it for what it actually is.

    tl; dr: I have no problem with feminism, I have problem with feminists. And that's because some of them (not all) misuse their movement and their title - many others, I suspect, do as well for reasons outside of Tumblr and Buzzfeed.

    Flog61 posted: »

    I don't think it was that unpleasant, I didn't insult anyone, just criticised what they were saying, but I'm sorry you felt that way. Out

  • I stand by my locked in chains proposal.

    Don't forget about the all too serious issue of sitting with your legs spread to a degree that you might find comfortable. Still waiting for our proposed changes to be implemented to public transportation in that regard.

  • I know it's trendy these days to get offended by everything, but if you are so offended by feminism that you feel totally paralysed every time you want to talk about men's mental health (for example) then that's your problem really, not theirs. Try to get less offended by other people's opinions.

    You're going to be the one to talk about offense and "just taking it"?? Hilarious! And no, I'm not offended by feminism, I can just understand why people without a voice would try to get a word in edge wise when there is a huge conversation going on about 1/2 of a problem (the half that is widely discussed already).

    Feminist theory is a bad punchline.

    Flog61 posted: »

    I know it's trendy these days to get offended by everything, but if you are so offended by feminism that you feel totally paralysed every ti

  • I don't recall saying that many people don't feign interest in mens rights. Do you? If you could just point that out for me. . .

    Flog61 posted: »

    A prime example as mentioned before: 'International men's day' is mentioned much more on 'international women's day' than on the day itself.

  • Does this count as your first reply?

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    I promise my first reply will be polite.

  • "How dare you?! Those poor people just want to escape bombs..." this people don't escape bombs they bring the bombs, didn't you read news?

  • Fuck.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Does this count as your first reply?

  • That seems to be happening a lot in this thread.

    NorthStars posted: »

    It pisses me off when I know I shouldnt really say what pisses me off or it would start a flame war

  • Cursing? That's not very polite. . .

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Fuck.

  • It was his second reply in the comment chain it didn't need to be.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Cursing? That's not very polite. . .

  • Hey, it's my second comment. All bets are off.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Cursing? That's not very polite. . .

  • It's better to be pissed off than to be pissed on.

    Psh, speak for yourself. You don't know what I like.

    Don't be scared, piss us off, we'll get over it. It's better to be pissed off than to be pissed on.

  • True, sorry to microaggress against you. I should have checked my privilege.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    It's better to be pissed off than to be pissed on. Psh, speak for yourself. You don't know what I like.

  • I think he was being sarcastic.

    ualexen92 posted: »

    "How dare you?! Those poor people just want to escape bombs..." this people don't escape bombs they bring the bombs, didn't you read news?

  • One thing that pisses me off are people who abuse animals. If you willingly abuse your pet, you deserved to be locked up or worse.

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