Do you think that corporal punishment should be brought back for certain crimes?

edited March 2016 in General Chat

I'll add something later.

Added Content: I think that Corporal Punishment, like public flogging, should be brought back for certain crimes, like theft for example. It often times brings shame to the person who committed the crime. And quite frankly, people should be ashamed when they do something that is ethically and morally wrong. Plus it sends a very clear message "this type of behavior will not be tolerated", and, "these are the consequences for this type of behavior".

I know that some will consider corporal punishment to be barbaric. However, there has to be consequences for when you break the law. And I'm sorry but sitting in a jail cell, and possibly getting beaten up by the other inmates, is not punishment.

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    No,it's much less useful than a standard imprisonment. Those criminals aren't some misbehaved toddlers. They'll just simply laugh it off when they're done. The same thing can't be said for incarceration.

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    Forget it.

  • Well said.

    Herodriver posted: »

    No,it's much less useful than a standard imprisonment. Those criminals aren't some misbehaved toddlers. They'll just simply laugh it off when they're done. The same thing can't be said for incarceration.

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
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    Trust me, you don't laugh off a good caning. They do it in Singapore and doctors have to be present to make sure the perp doesn't go into shock and just die right there. It's the kind of traumatic shit that could scar a person for life. Also, most places that use corporal punishment use it as an extra form of punishment, along with imprisonment. For instance, if you raped someone in Singapore, you might get 10 years in prison + 15 lashes.

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    Corporal punishment is still bizzare and wrong though.

    Herodriver posted: »

    No,it's much less useful than a standard imprisonment. Those criminals aren't some misbehaved toddlers. They'll just simply laugh it off when they're done. The same thing can't be said for incarceration.

  • No. It's uncivilized, needlessly brutal and unconstitutional in the West.

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  • Why does the conservative vision of America keep looking more and more like Saudi Arabia?

  • Because Christian Dominionism has the same underlying goal as Islamic fundamentlism : to replace civic law with god's law.

    Sarangholic posted: »

    Why does the conservative vision of America keep looking more and more like Saudi Arabia?

  • 160 km/h?! that's crazy fast. No wonder it is considered so dangerous.

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Trust me, you don't laugh off a good caning. They do it in Singapore and doctors have to be present to make sure the perp doesn't go into s

  • Yep, and it happens all at once. Got sentenced to 24 strokes of the rattan? You're getting all of those on your ass...at once. I'd imagine nerve and muscle damage is a possibility. If you look like you're going to die, they stop and add years to your prison sentence.

    Considering how much the West objects to sharia punishments, I'm suprised more people don't give Singapore the shit they deserve for hanging drug traffickers and beating people half to death with sticks.

    Demarcoa posted: »

    160 km/h?! that's crazy fast. No wonder it is considered so dangerous.

  • I don't know what that is.

  • I remember I read somewhere that cutting the head is the quickest and least painful way to execute someone, is that true?

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    ZapThroat posted: »

    I remember I read somewhere that cutting the head is the quickest and least painful way to execute someone, is that true?

  • Beating people for doing bad stuff.

    AgentZ46 posted: »

    I don't know what that is.

  • InGen_Nate_KennyInGen_Nate_Kenny Moderator
    edited March 2016

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    A beheading with an sword, axe, etc can go wrong. Very, very wrong. Botched beheadings were fairly common. I forget which king, but the beheading took multiple swings, meaning they were still alive after the first stroke. It was still considered better than hanging though. If you were lucky, you got a good executioner and your head was off with one swing.

    The guillotine, when introduced in the French Revolution, was a far more effective and quicker way to die, with botched executions far less uncommon. Still, in any case, it is believed a human is alive for about 6-7 seconds after a separation of the head and body. No clue what that's like, but certainly can't be pleasant.

    What is the least painful is debatable, but I would say a bullet to the forehead, also being very quick.

    Thing is that no one who is successfully executed survives, so the answer to these questions aren't apparent.

    ZapThroat posted: »

    I remember I read somewhere that cutting the head is the quickest and least painful way to execute someone, is that true?

  • It's probably because everyone reporting the news is focusing on other stuff.

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Yep, and it happens all at once. Got sentenced to 24 strokes of the rattan? You're getting all of those on your ass...at once. I'd imag

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited March 2016

    I remember hearing about one case where it took a dozen chops and the executioner had to finish the job with a knife. The executioner literally offered to pay anyone willing to complete the execution and almost got killed by an angry mob.

    Yeah, let's not go back to beheading. If the state absolutely must kill someone, a few bullets to the heart would do the job fine.

    A beheading with an sword, axe, etc can go wrong. Very, very wrong. Botched beheadings were fairly common. I forget which king, but the behe

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  • Then absolutely not. That's just a savage and primitive way to act.

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Beating people for doing bad stuff.

  • Here, here!

    AgentZ46 posted: »

    Then absolutely not. That's just a savage and primitive way to act.

  • Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't like 90% of the person's nervous system disconnected to their brain? Why would they feel anything?

    A beheading with an sword, axe, etc can go wrong. Very, very wrong. Botched beheadings were fairly common. I forget which king, but the behe

  • Even the guillotine failed few times like with Louis XVI, he was so fat that the blade got stuck in his neck so they had to try second time.

    A beheading with an sword, axe, etc can go wrong. Very, very wrong. Botched beheadings were fairly common. I forget which king, but the behe

  • No. I like to think we're civilized enough that we realize two wrongs doesn't make a right.

  • It depends. A guillotine severs the nerves in one quick motion, resulting in only a brief flash of pain before the head goes brain-dead a few seconds afterwards. However, with more manual methods, like axes, it could take several blows to sever the head. Take for example the execution of Mary, Queen of Scots; the first blow missed and hit the back of her head, not killing her. It was the second one thereafter that ended it.

    ZapThroat posted: »

    I remember I read somewhere that cutting the head is the quickest and least painful way to execute someone, is that true?

  • If the executioner's tools suck or ther blow isn't decisive, there's a good chance the spinal cord won't be severed. It might make a gash and chip the vertebrae, but it won't put the lights out.

    ZapThroat posted: »

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't like 90% of the person's nervous system disconnected to their brain? Why would they feel anything?

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited March 2016

    Maybe he was a wallethead and that's why it got stuck.

    Leluch123 posted: »

    Even the guillotine failed few times like with Louis XVI, he was so fat that the blade got stuck in his neck so they had to try second time.

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    Makes me think Americans need to watch more Gundam, Babylon 5, and Star Trek, while watching considerably less GI Joe, Star Wars and Transformers.

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Because Christian Dominionism has the same underlying goal as Islamic fundamentlism : to replace civic law with god's law.

  • Star Wars?!? Don't go there.

    Kameraden posted: »

    Makes me think Americans need to watch more Gundam, Babylon 5, and Star Trek, while watching considerably less GI Joe, Star Wars and Transformers.

  • Trump is winning.

    No. I like to think we're civilized enough that we realize two wrongs doesn't make a right.

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    Tragically to say it, Star Wars was the Transformers (Micheal Bay) of it's generation. It became what it became because of sound design and special effects, not exactly because of story. It's original test screening had no sound effects and music, no special effects on screen at the moment and only practical for example and the audience hated it. So when it comes to acting and story Star Wars "Sucked." Later films Lucas had help by some of the "Best" of Hollywood including Directors, Special Effects and Sound Design which made battles and scenes from Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi far more memorable.

    But what ruined Star Wars personally was Lucas' decision to keep scenes and elements out of the story that would of Humanized the Empire. There were a number of scenes that never made it to film, and those that did make it to film were cut, scenes which would of made those within the Empire itself look more human, making the movie's story less Good vs Evil. Lucas found them unnecessary and often over ruled them even being made to begin with and those that did make it to film never made it past editing.

    Decisions like above is what made it very hard for me to enjoy Star Wars has I grew older. I found myself migrating to other Scifi Genres and lets say there are dozens of them that are better than Star Wars.

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Star Wars?!? Don't go there.

  • edited March 2016

    Yes, for certain crimes.

  • But it should be noted that Judeo-Christian principles have had a strong influence on civic law.

    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Because Christian Dominionism has the same underlying goal as Islamic fundamentlism : to replace civic law with god's law.

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    I like to think

    let me live in my illusions please

    Viva-La-Lee posted: »

    Trump is winning.

  • I. SAW. EVERYTHING.

    Brodester08 posted: »

    Yes, for certain crimes.

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    This has been explained to you innumerable times. . . NO.

    EDIT: And whatever it has, it shouldn't, because we are more moral than dusty old books full or rape, genocide, and slavery.

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    But it should be noted that Judeo-Christian principles have had a strong influence on civic law.

  • I think they should only punish rapists with this method.

  • But let's not bring religion like this in the thread as it really doesn't need a sidetracking religious debate. If you guys want to debate, let's stick with general topic. The thread is actually on corporal punishment, which is not execution, so just keep that in mind. Thanks!

    Kenny/Lee posted: »

    But it should be noted that Judeo-Christian principles have had a strong influence on civic law.

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    BigBlindMax posted: »

    I. SAW. EVERYTHING.

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    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Beating people for doing bad stuff.

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