Even though Kenny is not one of my favorite characters, to me he is the most life-like person in the game. I believe that Kenny had some anger management issues long before the apocalypse, referenced from his conversation with Clem in season 2 while he was working on the truck and describing his father. I think that those issues were exacerbated by the loss of Katjaa, Duck and Sarita. Who has the time to mourn when everyday you're fighting to survive? In season 2, his anger over his loss just got the best of him. Great character development on the part of telltale to make a character that draws so much debate.
In my opinion, I think Kenny is one of the best developed characters in TWDG. Mainly because he lost pretty much all of his family but still had will to live. Sarita found him and he became a stronger and tougher person. He learned from previous mistakes the group had made and tried to prevent them from happening with his new group. His main goal is to protect Clem and AJ. So no I do not consider Kenny to be a monster.
Kenny has always been on the right with every decision, whether you agree or not. It was only in Season Two, Episode 5 where you can see him finally maybe being on the wrong. Other wise, he has always been fucking right, and I really wonder how people miss this.
He was right about Larry. If you order Kenny to punch Larry in episode one, he gets his ass handed to him. Lee also got his ass handed against him. What the heck do you think would have happened if Larry would have turned into a walker in that small room with Lilly right next to his face? What do you honestly think would have happened?
Episode 3, he's also right about if you let the girl scream, you do get more time, he has a legit point, it's being an asshole, I understand, but you have to think what's best for you, and your family. Are you thinking about Clementine for example? Your group has barely anything at this point, of course you want more.
Through 2 and 3, he wants to go on the road. Well what a surprise, he was right again, the town was empty full on full during Episode 3.
In season 2, the cycle continues. Kenny's right about Arvo. He wasn't even being too rough with him, not even close, until at one point. Next thing that happens, Arvo shoots Clementine. Gee, I wonder was he right.
Then we have the Jane-Kenny thing. Here you can go any direction you want, but I lean to the direction that Kenny was right about her, too, she only cared for herself, which the opposite of what even Lee was.
He was right about Wellington.
Everything he does is being, yes an asshole, but you need to be an asshole to survive.
My Clementine isn't an asshole and seems to have survived just fine so far. Also how can you think he is an asshole and also think he's always right? Surely you don't think he's an asshole if he's always right?
Kenny has always been on the right with every decision, he has always been fucking right, and I really wonder how people miss this.
Being the main person advocating stealing from the car was right? Beating Carver's face in and wasting people's time was right? Thinking they should attack Carver's community when the door of the van opened, defenceless, when their opponents had guns, was right? Running away from Shawn having saved his son was right? Basing whether he helps to save an 9 year old girl in s1e5 on whether he likes Lee is right? Trying to murder Ben in episode 4 was right? Yelling at Clementine in s2e4 was right? Refusing to save Lee in episode 2 when he's trapped under a door, just because he tried to resuscitate an old man, is right?
You think every single one of those was right?
Wow, you certainly have interesting morals, I'll give you that much.
He wasn't even being too rough with him, not even close, until at one point. Next thing that happens, Arvo shoots Clementine. Gee, I wonder was he right.
Or, Arvo being physically abused made him way more likely to snap and shoot someone. Maybe if he'd been treated with kindness and compassion instead of being tortured he wouldn't have shot Clementine. You certainly can't say that Kenny 100% didn't contribute to it.
Kenny has always been on the right with every decision, whether you agree or not. It was only in Season Two, Episode 5 where you can see him… more finally maybe being on the wrong. Other wise, he has always been fucking right, and I really wonder how people miss this.
He was right about Larry. If you order Kenny to punch Larry in episode one, he gets his ass handed to him. Lee also got his ass handed against him. What the heck do you think would have happened if Larry would have turned into a walker in that small room with Lilly right next to his face? What do you honestly think would have happened?
Episode 3, he's also right about if you let the girl scream, you do get more time, he has a legit point, it's being an asshole, I understand, but you have to think what's best for you, and your family. Are you thinking about Clementine for example? Your group has barely anything at this point, of course you want more.
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Everything contributes. But I seriously doubt Arvo would have shot clementine if he'd been treated kindly instead of held prisoner and physically abused.
For one thing Mike wouldn't have tried to help him escape, because there'd be no-one to escape from.
In my opinion, I think Kenny is one of the best developed characters in TWDG. Mainly because he lost pretty much all of his family but still… more had will to live. Sarita found him and he became a stronger and tougher person. He learned from previous mistakes the group had made and tried to prevent them from happening with his new group. His main goal is to protect Clem and AJ. So no I do not consider Kenny to be a monster.
Even though Kenny is not one of my favorite characters, to me he is the most life-like person in the game. I believe that Kenny had some an… moreger management issues long before the apocalypse, referenced from his conversation with Clem in season 2 while he was working on the truck and describing his father. I think that those issues were exacerbated by the loss of Katjaa, Duck and Sarita. Who has the time to mourn when everyday you're fighting to survive? In season 2, his anger over his loss just got the best of him. Great character development on the part of telltale to make a character that draws so much debate.
But who decides who acts like a fictional character and who acts like a 'real' person? The world is filled with individuals, each with their own personality, attitude, emotional expressions, thoughts and opinions, is it right to say one video game character acts more 'realistic' in comparison to all others? That's a pretty bold statement since it's not something you can exactly prove with evidence unless you somehow know the behavior of every single person who has ever existed.
There was no evidence to suggest Larry was going to turn, Larry could've possibly been alive due to how his mouth moves only if you do 4 successful chest compressions. And since we don't really know what state Larry was in, what if Larry were alive and could've been saved if Lee had been given more time?
So you let someone suffer to benefit yourself? Although I do understand this action more since it's to do with survival and survival with the whole group but remember that they don't even use a single piece of the medicine they scavenge, so looking back, was it really worth it? And speaking of this scenario, was Kenny right if he left Lee under the door that collapsed on him? It may be determinant but it's still one of the decisions Kenny chose to make.
I think you're talking about Episodes 4 and 5 when they went to Savannah? It wasn't exactly empty either, there were large hordes of walkers around the city and even more smaller herds of walkers plus there was Vernon's group who ended up stealing the boat as well as Molly.
Who decides what's too rough for anyone? And may I ask why was it necessary for Kenny to constantly beat Arvo? He could've just as easily made him get lost as the group made their way to the town they were originally going to go to. Do you feel that Arvo would've shot Clementine if he was treated so badly by Kenny and technically the group in general? He was beaten up 3-4 times by Kenny and left tied up to a pole in the cold whilst the group sits around a fire for warmth, he is then tied up and left lying on the ground with a bleeding nose and he was also threatened to be left behind. But can I ask you, do you feel Arvo deserved how he was treated before he shot Clementine?
But if Jane only did care about herself why would she risk her neck to save Rebecca(pregnant at the time) and Clementine, two people she barely knew? Why did she risk her life to save Luke(injured at the time), Clementine and determinantly Sarah(whom she felt couldn't be saved) at the Trailer Park, risking her neck a second time? Why did she attempt to determinantly save Sarah a second time if Clementine persists her to or if Clementine stays silent? Why does she kill Vitali(whom she felt upset about killing since he never did anything to her specifically) to save Kenny and possibly the rest of the group? Why does she risk falling into the frozen lake to save Clementine if she falls into the lake?
You don't need to be an asshole to survive - Tara, Denise, Michonne, Glenn, Maggie, Molly etc.(the list goes on and on) weren't assholes but survived.
Kenny has always been on the right with every decision, whether you agree or not. It was only in Season Two, Episode 5 where you can see him… more finally maybe being on the wrong. Other wise, he has always been fucking right, and I really wonder how people miss this.
He was right about Larry. If you order Kenny to punch Larry in episode one, he gets his ass handed to him. Lee also got his ass handed against him. What the heck do you think would have happened if Larry would have turned into a walker in that small room with Lilly right next to his face? What do you honestly think would have happened?
Episode 3, he's also right about if you let the girl scream, you do get more time, he has a legit point, it's being an asshole, I understand, but you have to think what's best for you, and your family. Are you thinking about Clementine for example? Your group has barely anything at this point, of course you want more.
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There was no evidence to suggest Larry was going to turn, Larry could've possibly been alive due to how his mouth moves only if you do 4 suc… morecessful chest compressions. And since we don't really know what state Larry was in, what if Larry were alive and could've been saved if Lee had been given more time?
So you let someone suffer to benefit yourself? Although I do understand this action more since it's to do with survival and survival with the whole group but remember that they don't even use a single piece of the medicine they scavenge, so looking back, was it really worth it? And speaking of this scenario, was Kenny right if he left Lee under the door that collapsed on him? It may be determinant but it's still one of the decisions Kenny chose to make.
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What does that have to do with my comment? When did I ever state that Jane isn't an asshole or that any of her actions didn't make her look like an asshole?
I'm intrigued. Which things, specifically, did he learn from in season 1, that he directly applied to any situation in season 2?
I remember him shouting at one point about "Remember the last time we had a veichle and sat around!" or something like that. Though really he doesnt seem to learn by his mistakes, the same things happen over and over again, he tries to stop it and change it but in the wrong way.
Mainly because he lost pretty much all of his family but still had will to live.
Like most of the characters in the game?
He l… moreearned from previous mistakes the group had made and tried to prevent them from happening with his new group.
I'm intrigued. Which things, specifically, did he learn from in season 1, that he directly applied to any situation in season 2?
Kenny has interesting morals, too. It must be exhausting trying to figure out why people don't do what's right, or agree with doing it—because for him, what he thinks is right has to be right. This is his main flaw.
You need to be an asshole to survive.
My Clementine isn't an asshole and seems to have survived just fine so far. Also how can you t… morehink he is an asshole and also think he's always right? Surely you don't think he's an asshole if he's always right?
Kenny has always been on the right with every decision, he has always been fucking right, and I really wonder how people miss this.
Being the main person advocating stealing from the car was right? Beating Carver's face in and wasting people's time was right? Thinking they should attack Carver's community when the door of the van opened, defenceless, when their opponents had guns, was right? Running away from Shawn having saved his son was right? Basing whether he helps to save an 9 year old girl in s1e5 on whether he likes Lee is right? Trying to murder Ben in episode 4 was right? Yelling at Clementine in s2e4 was right? Refusing to save Lee in episode 2 when he's trapped und… [view original content]
Being the main person advocating stealing from the car was right
No it wasn't but if i was in that situation and starving as well then i'd do the same. Think of me what you like for that but if it's down to survival and what's best for your group and yours alone then i'd do what's best.
Beating Carver's face in and wasting people's time was right?
I don't think the group were going anywhere fast anyway as walkers were virtually at deaths door. What he did bashing Carver in was uneeded given the time they had to get out of there yes but i can understand why he did it because Carver took his eye, he was an evil prick and deserved what he got because Carver would have done the same thing in Kenny's position if not worse. Sorry if that's not a popular opinion but there it is.
Thinking they should attack Carver's community when the door of the van opened, defenceless, when their opponents had guns, was right?
Yep it was naive but we all know Kenny doesn't think things through when he's upset/angry. Did anyone ever consider that the man is scared which makes him act hostile and aggressive? Because i have known people to be like this when they are worried. That doesn't make it right though i do agree.
Running away from Shawn having saved his son was right?
One of the things I didn't agree/like that he did (big shock right?), difference is, i will actually mention what things I didn't like that he did instead of just focusing on one side such as the negatives which a lot of non kenny fans do here. I know some Kenny fans are the same though before anyone criticises me. In this situation he was thinking of his family, i can understand that but at the same time he could have easily tried to help Shawn but unlike some others i forgave him for this because he deeply regretted it later on during conversations with Lee at the drugstore and again on the train.
Basing whether he helps to save an 9 year old girl in s1e5 on whether he likes Lee is right?
The thing is you could say the same thing about Lee. Would you want to help a guy who wants to throw his son out to die on a half chance he was bitten? You can say "oh but if he cared for Clem he'd go no matter what" but would you want to be around a guy you despise? I'd find it very hard. Another thing that people don't think about is this. Did you ever consider he regretted it by not going to look for her? It doesn't make it right no but point is he ended up going with them in the end regardless, before anyone says "oh but he had no choice to go with them because of the walkers", he had time to walk away after he got released from the shed but he didn't. Matter of opinion obviously.
Trying to murder Ben in episode 4 was right?
You aren't referring to the moment Kenny went to attack Ben are you? Because if you are then i highly doubt he was trying to "kill" him but to beat him up. If you are referring to the moment Kenny implied Lee should drop Ben from the bell tower, that decision is Lee's and Lee's alone and the thing is, Ben got his family killed, he nearly got the entire group killed from his stupidity, why would anyone want to keep Ben around?? I certainly wouldn't. Maybe not killing him point blank but leaving him behind would solve the problem. Sorry but i don't blame Kenny one bit for his reaction. Im pretty sure others would feel the same if people you cared about were needlessly killed thanks to another person.
Yelling at Clementine in s2e4 was right?
No it wasn't right and is another thing I didn't like but i understand the reasons behind it where as a lot of people who don't like Kenny decide not to see the other side of it or know that deep down he didn't mean what he said. His anger gets the better of him, he says and does things he doesn't mean in the spur of the moment and we all know this.
Refusing to save Lee in episode 2 when he's trapped under a door, just because he tried to resuscitate an old man, is right?
If you had sided with him, we as players wouldn't have even known this happens the first time of playing, the same as if those had been against him in their first playthrough wouldn't have known he helps you if you had sided with him. No it wasn't right and it's yet another thing I didn't like but it never happened in my game. Also from another perspective why help revive a man who left you for dead at the drugstore when you know he wouldn't do the same for you? When this man could leave you for dead again at any time? Also if we as a player didn't like Lilly either. Again sorry if it's not a liked opinion but that's how i see it.
Or, Arvo being physically abused made him way more likely to snap and shoot someone. Maybe if he'd been treated with kindness and compassion instead of being tortured he wouldn't have shot Clementine. You certainly can't say that Kenny 100% didn't contribute to it.
Whilst I agree that Kenny had part in possibly the reason for Arvo shooting Clem, at the same time there is nor will ever be something to suggest he wouldn't have turned against the group and shot her anyway. When Clem killed his walker sister, Arvo possibly didn't know she had turned and thought she had killed his sister, he may have held a grudge against her. The whole Arvo thing was so stupid anyway because I honestly feel that no one would trust a guy who was involved in a group that threatened and tried to kill them all. As if Mike/Bonnie would freely let him get a hold of a gun when for all they knew, he could have shot them too. Really didn't like that whole scene of No Going Back.
Anyway i've read the other persons post and in fairness i disagree with him/her because not every single decision Kenny made was right and we all know that.
You need to be an asshole to survive.
My Clementine isn't an asshole and seems to have survived just fine so far. Also how can you t… morehink he is an asshole and also think he's always right? Surely you don't think he's an asshole if he's always right?
Kenny has always been on the right with every decision, he has always been fucking right, and I really wonder how people miss this.
Being the main person advocating stealing from the car was right? Beating Carver's face in and wasting people's time was right? Thinking they should attack Carver's community when the door of the van opened, defenceless, when their opponents had guns, was right? Running away from Shawn having saved his son was right? Basing whether he helps to save an 9 year old girl in s1e5 on whether he likes Lee is right? Trying to murder Ben in episode 4 was right? Yelling at Clementine in s2e4 was right? Refusing to save Lee in episode 2 when he's trapped und… [view original content]
I'm intrigued. Which things, specifically, did he learn from in season 1, that he directly applied to any situation in season 2?
I r… moreemember him shouting at one point about "Remember the last time we had a veichle and sat around!" or something like that. Though really he doesnt seem to learn by his mistakes, the same things happen over and over again, he tries to stop it and change it but in the wrong way.
Most of what you're saying comes down to most of what Kenny did was relatable and understandable. I don't take much issue with that at all - I take issue with people claiming - falsely - that he has never been wrong.
Being the main person advocating stealing from the car was right
No it wasn't but if i was in that situation and starving as well th… moreen i'd do the same. Think of me what you like for that but if it's down to survival and what's best for your group and yours alone then i'd do what's best.
Beating Carver's face in and wasting people's time was right?
I don't think the group were going anywhere fast anyway as walkers were virtually at deaths door. What he did bashing Carver in was uneeded given the time they had to get out of there yes but i can understand why he did it because Carver took his eye, he was an evil prick and deserved what he got because Carver would have done the same thing in Kenny's position if not worse. Sorry if that's not a popular opinion but there it is.
Thinking they should attack Carver's community when the door of the van opened, defenceless, when their opponents had guns, was right?
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Most of what you're saying comes down to most of what Kenny did was relatable and understandable. I don't take much issue with that at all - I take issue with people claiming - falsely - that he has never been wrong.
Just wanted to let you know, Jane never says she killed or abandoned AJ, I believe she said "I didn't kill him" when Kenny accuses her of do… moreing so ^-^ But it's understandable for Kenny to get angry, although I still think the situation could've been handled better by both individuals. I helped both of them, mostly cause I forgot I didn't have to do anything xD
He wouldn't make it. CPR only slows down the death from a heart attack so he can be taken to the hospital alive. But i don't think there were paramedics on the way. So yeah, Larry would have died anyway.
Savannah was more or less empty. Most of the walkers were used as barricade for Crawfords community. Remember that the horde from the ep 4-5 was the same horde that followed the train.
Arvo? If i could have kill him as Clementine i would have. If you steal him, or not, he attacks you anyways. So don't be such a hippie because Kenny gave him the beat of his life for what he did. Maybe he didn't deserved it, but he indeed deserved a bullet in his skull.
Jane and Kenny are both two different types of selfish pricks.
There was no evidence to suggest Larry was going to turn, Larry could've possibly been alive due to how his mouth moves only if you do 4 suc… morecessful chest compressions. And since we don't really know what state Larry was in, what if Larry were alive and could've been saved if Lee had been given more time?
So you let someone suffer to benefit yourself? Although I do understand this action more since it's to do with survival and survival with the whole group but remember that they don't even use a single piece of the medicine they scavenge, so looking back, was it really worth it? And speaking of this scenario, was Kenny right if he left Lee under the door that collapsed on him? It may be determinant but it's still one of the decisions Kenny chose to make.
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But you don't know that, that's only an assumption, although looking back at the sound files you're probably right as Larry has a monologue and then presumably dies, even then I personally don't believe it's justifiable to take his life out of pure assumptions without even letting Lee attempt to revive Larry. I personally don't agree with the mentality of killing someone just because they might die regardless.
There were still walkers throughout Savannah, wherever they went they stumbled into Walkers, even if allot of the walkers followed the train there were still walkers to begin with, as well as Molly and Vernon's Group, so survivors were present there, it was far from empty - especially when you take into consideration that walkers are also inside buildings as opposed to being out on the streets.
I wouldn't kill him for trying to survive just like every other individual in The Walking Dead, well at least I'd like to know more about his story and experiences before deciding what to do with him, honestly, I would've preferred the group to just make Arvo leave and then continue their march to the town. Arvo doesn't attack you, Natalia, Vitali and Buricko do, Arvo only attacks Clementine. Hippie? I have my own opinion over how Arvo was treated, just because I disliked that he was treated abusively doesn't make me a hippie. What exactly did Arvo himself do? Isn't it a bit contradictory to say he doesn't deserve to be physically abused but deserves to have a bullet in his skull?
That I don't agree with, both Kenny and Jane have shown how selfless they are, I'll even give you examples if you'd like.
Honestly the way people hate Arvo for really only harming Clementine and no one else makes me wonder how many people dislike the entire group for letting a community filled with innocents fall(Howe's was filled with more individuals than just Carver and the 400 Days characters, evident by the characters who only made short appearances and the presence of baby formula suggests the possibility of infants as well). In other words, the group's escape plan caused the death of many, I'm a little surprised that some people find that excusable but find Arvo shooting Clementine but not actually killing her inexcusable but I guess that's to be expected if you only look at the events through the perspective of the main character.
He wouldn't make it. CPR only slows down the death from a heart attack so he can be taken to the hospital alive. But i don't think there wer… moree paramedics on the way. So yeah, Larry would have died anyway.
Savannah was more or less empty. Most of the walkers were used as barricade for Crawfords community. Remember that the horde from the ep 4-5 was the same horde that followed the train.
Arvo? If i could have kill him as Clementine i would have. If you steal him, or not, he attacks you anyways. So don't be such a hippie because Kenny gave him the beat of his life for what he did. Maybe he didn't deserved it, but he indeed deserved a bullet in his skull.
Jane and Kenny are both two different types of selfish pricks.
Kenny was never a monster or a bad guy at all, he wanted to protect those who were closest to him, and much like anyone else in TWD world you just can't do that. So Kenny lost his son and wife, then he found Clem, then he lost the woman he loved (I guess he loved her in TWD type of love) and once he thought Jane allowed the baby to get killed he just lost it.
Jane was the aggressor, and I know from all the things that have happened in both series that Kenny would have given his life to protect Clementine and the Baby, where as Jane... If anything Jane has been nothing but reckless and would have probably ditched Clem or the baby to save herself if the need arose. It was logical to go with Kenny, he was the only one aside from Lee who proved time and time again he would do anything for the people he cared about.
I don't understand people that say that Kenny would turn on Clem if AJ died under her care, just like he did to Jane.
Are you just ignoring how much Kenny and Jane already didn't like each other and this was what pushed Jane to a point of no return, in Kenny's eyes???
Meanwhile Kenny had begun to see Clem as a sort of adopted daughter, and that her and AJ were the only things keeping him going in the first place. I don't doubt that Kenny would've been furious/broken over it, but I don't believe that he would've come close to actually trying to hurt Clem in any way.
I personally don't agree with the mentality of killing someone just because they might die regardless
That's fine and i understand that but if there was seriously a chance he could turn and there was no way of holding/tying a big guy down, would you honestly risk going near him? Giving him mouth to mouth where he could suddenly bite you? I couldn't and wouldn't take that chance but hey that's just what i'd do in that situation like it or not
But you don't know that, that's only an assumption, although looking back at the sound files you're probably right as Larry has a monologue … moreand then presumably dies, even then I personally don't believe it's justifiable to take his life out of pure assumptions without even letting Lee attempt to revive Larry. I personally don't agree with the mentality of killing someone just because they might die regardless.
There were still walkers throughout Savannah, wherever they went they stumbled into Walkers, even if allot of the walkers followed the train there were still walkers to begin with, as well as Molly and Vernon's Group, so survivors were present there, it was far from empty - especially when you take into consideration that walkers are also inside buildings as opposed to being out on the streets.
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I agree that it doesn't justify kenny's actions, what i'm saying is that he would've died anyway.
More or less empty, i said.
I would kill him for attemping on my group, not for trying to survive. It's not the same, You kill someone it's the end. There are worse things than being dead, like torture which was what Kenny did. I said he deserves it because if you don't steal his supplies he says you did anyways, and get his group to attack you at the end anyway. The fact that Arvo doesn't have a gun to shoot doesn't justify making up sh*t that could get other people killed. Neither makes him less responsable for the attack.
They are selfish. As any human being is. Although they showed some selfless acts. I'll talk about that in another comment, i have to go now.
It wasn't the best choise, but there wasn't too many choises either way.
But you don't know that, that's only an assumption, although looking back at the sound files you're probably right as Larry has a monologue … moreand then presumably dies, even then I personally don't believe it's justifiable to take his life out of pure assumptions without even letting Lee attempt to revive Larry. I personally don't agree with the mentality of killing someone just because they might die regardless.
There were still walkers throughout Savannah, wherever they went they stumbled into Walkers, even if allot of the walkers followed the train there were still walkers to begin with, as well as Molly and Vernon's Group, so survivors were present there, it was far from empty - especially when you take into consideration that walkers are also inside buildings as opposed to being out on the streets.
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As soon as someone becomes unconscious or gets an injure in the zombie apocalypse, they have a chance to turn, it's different for everyone but I'd still try to do all I can to try and save them, even if it meant only giving them one last moment before they can no longer be saved, it would be worth the risk for me.
I personally don't agree with the mentality of killing someone just because they might die regardless
That's fine and i understand t… morehat but if there was seriously a chance he could turn and there was no way of holding/tying a big guy down, would you honestly risk going near him? Giving him mouth to mouth where he could suddenly bite you? I couldn't and wouldn't take that chance but hey that's just what i'd do in that situation like it or not
That depends on whether you actually did steal from Arvo or not but Arvo still doesn't actually harm anyone except for Clementine but that's only after being physically abused, isolated from the group and verbally insulted with derogatory words.
Not all people are selfish.
They could've waited and decreased the risks of unavoidable danger - the decision to leave Howe's at that moment is what lead to Carlos, Sarita, determinantly Nick, Sarah, Rebecca, Luke, determinantly Bonnie, determinantly Jane and determinantly Kenny killed. They may not have had too many choices but they chose to endanger an entire community filled with supplies they needed and was a place that had more safety(at least at the time) than outside of Howe's.
I agree that it doesn't justify kenny's actions, what i'm saying is that he would've died anyway.
More or less empty, i said.
I would … morekill him for attemping on my group, not for trying to survive. It's not the same, You kill someone it's the end. There are worse things than being dead, like torture which was what Kenny did. I said he deserves it because if you don't steal his supplies he says you did anyways, and get his group to attack you at the end anyway. The fact that Arvo doesn't have a gun to shoot doesn't justify making up sh*t that could get other people killed. Neither makes him less responsable for the attack.
They are selfish. As any human being is. Although they showed some selfless acts. I'll talk about that in another comment, i have to go now.
It wasn't the best choise, but there wasn't too many choises either way.
Maybe you, because none of your Friends or relatives had it, but i do know about that stuff. It's not so simple save someone from a heart-attack. If it was a 'pre' he could've MAYBE made it, but it was a full one, and since there were not doctors at the moment no one could really tell the type/intensity of the heart attack. Besides, you need a proper equipment to save someone with that kinda condition.
Never said it was, i'll repeat myself. more or less.
Doesn't matter. To me it proves that Arvo was stealing from his group from the start, and used Clem and Jane as a bait. Besides, why shoot at Clem who did not harm to you? In any case he should've shooted Kenny.
They're prink. Even the selfless acts you do everyday comes with selfish feelings that makes you feel better with yourself. Selfishness is not exactly something bad.
Well i agree with Jane that the plan was good, the execution was the problem.
We don't actually know that.
Still not empty.
That depends on whether you actually did steal from Arvo or not but Arvo still doesn't a… morectually harm anyone except for Clementine but that's only after being physically abused, isolated from the group and verbally insulted with derogatory words.
Not all people are selfish.
They could've waited and decreased the risks of unavoidable danger - the decision to leave Howe's at that moment is what lead to Carlos, Sarita, determinantly Nick, Sarah, Rebecca, Luke, determinantly Bonnie, determinantly Jane and determinantly Kenny killed. They may not have had too many choices but they chose to endanger an entire community filled with supplies they needed and was a place that had more safety(at least at the time) than outside of Howe's.
Ok that's fair enough. I'd just find that a very hard thing to but also the fact Larry punched me and left me to die at the drugstore as well as every single sentance talking to him in which he was horrible. But that's cool of you to do prink
As soon as someone becomes unconscious or gets an injure in the zombie apocalypse, they have a chance to turn, it's different for everyone b… moreut I'd still try to do all I can to try and save them, even if it meant only giving them one last moment before they can no longer be saved, it would be worth the risk for me.
He's also indirectly caused Clem to get shot.
that's your opinion of course but i disagree on it being entirely his fault but anyone that hates/dislikes Kenny will blame him though
Except, Jane also went through a lot of crap, such as the death of her parents and being forced to leave her sister in order to save herself, plus being in the Washington D.C. group who all died on the same day. Kenny is the one who has been hot-headed and selfish, starting when we met him at Hershel's Farm.
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Even though Kenny is not one of my favorite characters, to me he is the most life-like person in the game. I believe that Kenny had some anger management issues long before the apocalypse, referenced from his conversation with Clem in season 2 while he was working on the truck and describing his father. I think that those issues were exacerbated by the loss of Katjaa, Duck and Sarita. Who has the time to mourn when everyday you're fighting to survive? In season 2, his anger over his loss just got the best of him. Great character development on the part of telltale to make a character that draws so much debate.
In my opinion, I think Kenny is one of the best developed characters in TWDG. Mainly because he lost pretty much all of his family but still had will to live. Sarita found him and he became a stronger and tougher person. He learned from previous mistakes the group had made and tried to prevent them from happening with his new group. His main goal is to protect Clem and AJ. So no I do not consider Kenny to be a monster.
If you don't shoot the zombie, Clem dies.
Kenny has always been on the right with every decision, whether you agree or not. It was only in Season Two, Episode 5 where you can see him finally maybe being on the wrong. Other wise, he has always been fucking right, and I really wonder how people miss this.
He was right about Larry. If you order Kenny to punch Larry in episode one, he gets his ass handed to him. Lee also got his ass handed against him. What the heck do you think would have happened if Larry would have turned into a walker in that small room with Lilly right next to his face? What do you honestly think would have happened?
Episode 3, he's also right about if you let the girl scream, you do get more time, he has a legit point, it's being an asshole, I understand, but you have to think what's best for you, and your family. Are you thinking about Clementine for example? Your group has barely anything at this point, of course you want more.
Through 2 and 3, he wants to go on the road. Well what a surprise, he was right again, the town was empty full on full during Episode 3.
In season 2, the cycle continues. Kenny's right about Arvo. He wasn't even being too rough with him, not even close, until at one point. Next thing that happens, Arvo shoots Clementine. Gee, I wonder was he right.
Then we have the Jane-Kenny thing. Here you can go any direction you want, but I lean to the direction that Kenny was right about her, too, she only cared for herself, which the opposite of what even Lee was.
He was right about Wellington.
Everything he does is being, yes an asshole, but you need to be an asshole to survive.
My Clementine isn't an asshole and seems to have survived just fine so far. Also how can you think he is an asshole and also think he's always right? Surely you don't think he's an asshole if he's always right?
Being the main person advocating stealing from the car was right? Beating Carver's face in and wasting people's time was right? Thinking they should attack Carver's community when the door of the van opened, defenceless, when their opponents had guns, was right? Running away from Shawn having saved his son was right? Basing whether he helps to save an 9 year old girl in s1e5 on whether he likes Lee is right? Trying to murder Ben in episode 4 was right? Yelling at Clementine in s2e4 was right? Refusing to save Lee in episode 2 when he's trapped under a door, just because he tried to resuscitate an old man, is right?
You think every single one of those was right?
Wow, you certainly have interesting morals, I'll give you that much.
Or, Arvo being physically abused made him way more likely to snap and shoot someone. Maybe if he'd been treated with kindness and compassion instead of being tortured he wouldn't have shot Clementine. You certainly can't say that Kenny 100% didn't contribute to it.
Everything contributes. But I seriously doubt Arvo would have shot clementine if he'd been treated kindly instead of held prisoner and physically abused.
For one thing Mike wouldn't have tried to help him escape, because there'd be no-one to escape from.
Like most of the characters in the game?
I'm intrigued. Which things, specifically, did he learn from in season 1, that he directly applied to any situation in season 2?
This is the problem, most characters in the series behave like video game characters so when Kenny acts like a real person people get mad.
But who decides who acts like a fictional character and who acts like a 'real' person? The world is filled with individuals, each with their own personality, attitude, emotional expressions, thoughts and opinions, is it right to say one video game character acts more 'realistic' in comparison to all others? That's a pretty bold statement since it's not something you can exactly prove with evidence unless you somehow know the behavior of every single person who has ever existed.
There was no evidence to suggest Larry was going to turn, Larry could've possibly been alive due to how his mouth moves only if you do 4 successful chest compressions. And since we don't really know what state Larry was in, what if Larry were alive and could've been saved if Lee had been given more time?
So you let someone suffer to benefit yourself? Although I do understand this action more since it's to do with survival and survival with the whole group but remember that they don't even use a single piece of the medicine they scavenge, so looking back, was it really worth it? And speaking of this scenario, was Kenny right if he left Lee under the door that collapsed on him? It may be determinant but it's still one of the decisions Kenny chose to make.
I think you're talking about Episodes 4 and 5 when they went to Savannah? It wasn't exactly empty either, there were large hordes of walkers around the city and even more smaller herds of walkers plus there was Vernon's group who ended up stealing the boat as well as Molly.
Who decides what's too rough for anyone? And may I ask why was it necessary for Kenny to constantly beat Arvo? He could've just as easily made him get lost as the group made their way to the town they were originally going to go to. Do you feel that Arvo would've shot Clementine if he was treated so badly by Kenny and technically the group in general? He was beaten up 3-4 times by Kenny and left tied up to a pole in the cold whilst the group sits around a fire for warmth, he is then tied up and left lying on the ground with a bleeding nose and he was also threatened to be left behind. But can I ask you, do you feel Arvo deserved how he was treated before he shot Clementine?
But if Jane only did care about herself why would she risk her neck to save Rebecca(pregnant at the time) and Clementine, two people she barely knew? Why did she risk her life to save Luke(injured at the time), Clementine and determinantly Sarah(whom she felt couldn't be saved) at the Trailer Park, risking her neck a second time? Why did she attempt to determinantly save Sarah a second time if Clementine persists her to or if Clementine stays silent? Why does she kill Vitali(whom she felt upset about killing since he never did anything to her specifically) to save Kenny and possibly the rest of the group? Why does she risk falling into the frozen lake to save Clementine if she falls into the lake?
You don't need to be an asshole to survive - Tara, Denise, Michonne, Glenn, Maggie, Molly etc.(the list goes on and on) weren't assholes but survived.
Right, because she goading Kenny into a deadmatch by pretending AJ was dead, is not being asshole.
What does that have to do with my comment? When did I ever state that Jane isn't an asshole or that any of her actions didn't make her look like an asshole?
I remember him shouting at one point about "Remember the last time we had a veichle and sat around!" or something like that. Though really he doesnt seem to learn by his mistakes, the same things happen over and over again, he tries to stop it and change it but in the wrong way.
Kenny has interesting morals, too. It must be exhausting trying to figure out why people don't do what's right, or agree with doing it—because for him, what he thinks is right has to be right. This is his main flaw.
People arent tired of this topic yet, huh?
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No it wasn't but if i was in that situation and starving as well then i'd do the same. Think of me what you like for that but if it's down to survival and what's best for your group and yours alone then i'd do what's best.
I don't think the group were going anywhere fast anyway as walkers were virtually at deaths door. What he did bashing Carver in was uneeded given the time they had to get out of there yes but i can understand why he did it because Carver took his eye, he was an evil prick and deserved what he got because Carver would have done the same thing in Kenny's position if not worse. Sorry if that's not a popular opinion but there it is.
Yep it was naive but we all know Kenny doesn't think things through when he's upset/angry. Did anyone ever consider that the man is scared which makes him act hostile and aggressive? Because i have known people to be like this when they are worried. That doesn't make it right though i do agree.
One of the things I didn't agree/like that he did (big shock right?), difference is, i will actually mention what things I didn't like that he did instead of just focusing on one side such as the negatives which a lot of non kenny fans do here. I know some Kenny fans are the same though before anyone criticises me. In this situation he was thinking of his family, i can understand that but at the same time he could have easily tried to help Shawn but unlike some others i forgave him for this because he deeply regretted it later on during conversations with Lee at the drugstore and again on the train.
The thing is you could say the same thing about Lee. Would you want to help a guy who wants to throw his son out to die on a half chance he was bitten? You can say "oh but if he cared for Clem he'd go no matter what" but would you want to be around a guy you despise? I'd find it very hard. Another thing that people don't think about is this. Did you ever consider he regretted it by not going to look for her? It doesn't make it right no but point is he ended up going with them in the end regardless, before anyone says "oh but he had no choice to go with them because of the walkers", he had time to walk away after he got released from the shed but he didn't. Matter of opinion obviously.
You aren't referring to the moment Kenny went to attack Ben are you? Because if you are then i highly doubt he was trying to "kill" him but to beat him up. If you are referring to the moment Kenny implied Lee should drop Ben from the bell tower, that decision is Lee's and Lee's alone and the thing is, Ben got his family killed, he nearly got the entire group killed from his stupidity, why would anyone want to keep Ben around?? I certainly wouldn't. Maybe not killing him point blank but leaving him behind would solve the problem. Sorry but i don't blame Kenny one bit for his reaction. Im pretty sure others would feel the same if people you cared about were needlessly killed thanks to another person.
No it wasn't right and is another thing I didn't like but i understand the reasons behind it where as a lot of people who don't like Kenny decide not to see the other side of it or know that deep down he didn't mean what he said. His anger gets the better of him, he says and does things he doesn't mean in the spur of the moment and we all know this.
If you had sided with him, we as players wouldn't have even known this happens the first time of playing, the same as if those had been against him in their first playthrough wouldn't have known he helps you if you had sided with him. No it wasn't right and it's yet another thing I didn't like but it never happened in my game. Also from another perspective why help revive a man who left you for dead at the drugstore when you know he wouldn't do the same for you? When this man could leave you for dead again at any time? Also if we as a player didn't like Lilly either. Again sorry if it's not a liked opinion but that's how i see it.
Whilst I agree that Kenny had part in possibly the reason for Arvo shooting Clem, at the same time there is nor will ever be something to suggest he wouldn't have turned against the group and shot her anyway. When Clem killed his walker sister, Arvo possibly didn't know she had turned and thought she had killed his sister, he may have held a grudge against her. The whole Arvo thing was so stupid anyway because I honestly feel that no one would trust a guy who was involved in a group that threatened and tried to kill them all. As if Mike/Bonnie would freely let him get a hold of a gun when for all they knew, he could have shot them too. Really didn't like that whole scene of No Going Back.
Anyway i've read the other persons post and in fairness i disagree with him/her because not every single decision Kenny made was right and we all know that.
Its amazing, this was posted before Michonne came out and its still going.
It's an interesting topic to discuss.
That's quite an obscure and generic reference, not really showing him to have gotten wiser :P
Most of what you're saying comes down to most of what Kenny did was relatable and understandable. I don't take much issue with that at all - I take issue with people claiming - falsely - that he has never been wrong.
Not really to be honest, all of the debates have already been had.
Agreed
I was just saying the topic itself is interesting, and for people who haven't talked about it yet the debate is still open for discussion.
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He wasn't a monster. Aside from being a dick sometimes he was just unstable from the stress, like Lilly was after his father's death.
He wouldn't make it. CPR only slows down the death from a heart attack so he can be taken to the hospital alive. But i don't think there were paramedics on the way. So yeah, Larry would have died anyway.
Savannah was more or less empty. Most of the walkers were used as barricade for Crawfords community. Remember that the horde from the ep 4-5 was the same horde that followed the train.
Arvo? If i could have kill him as Clementine i would have. If you steal him, or not, he attacks you anyways. So don't be such a hippie because Kenny gave him the beat of his life for what he did. Maybe he didn't deserved it, but he indeed deserved a bullet in his skull.
Jane and Kenny are both two different types of selfish pricks.
But you don't know that, that's only an assumption, although looking back at the sound files you're probably right as Larry has a monologue and then presumably dies, even then I personally don't believe it's justifiable to take his life out of pure assumptions without even letting Lee attempt to revive Larry. I personally don't agree with the mentality of killing someone just because they might die regardless.
There were still walkers throughout Savannah, wherever they went they stumbled into Walkers, even if allot of the walkers followed the train there were still walkers to begin with, as well as Molly and Vernon's Group, so survivors were present there, it was far from empty - especially when you take into consideration that walkers are also inside buildings as opposed to being out on the streets.
I wouldn't kill him for trying to survive just like every other individual in The Walking Dead, well at least I'd like to know more about his story and experiences before deciding what to do with him, honestly, I would've preferred the group to just make Arvo leave and then continue their march to the town. Arvo doesn't attack you, Natalia, Vitali and Buricko do, Arvo only attacks Clementine. Hippie? I have my own opinion over how Arvo was treated, just because I disliked that he was treated abusively doesn't make me a hippie. What exactly did Arvo himself do? Isn't it a bit contradictory to say he doesn't deserve to be physically abused but deserves to have a bullet in his skull?
That I don't agree with, both Kenny and Jane have shown how selfless they are, I'll even give you examples if you'd like.
Honestly the way people hate Arvo for really only harming Clementine and no one else makes me wonder how many people dislike the entire group for letting a community filled with innocents fall(Howe's was filled with more individuals than just Carver and the 400 Days characters, evident by the characters who only made short appearances and the presence of baby formula suggests the possibility of infants as well). In other words, the group's escape plan caused the death of many, I'm a little surprised that some people find that excusable but find Arvo shooting Clementine but not actually killing her inexcusable but I guess that's to be expected if you only look at the events through the perspective of the main character.
Kenny was never a monster or a bad guy at all, he wanted to protect those who were closest to him, and much like anyone else in TWD world you just can't do that. So Kenny lost his son and wife, then he found Clem, then he lost the woman he loved (I guess he loved her in TWD type of love) and once he thought Jane allowed the baby to get killed he just lost it.
Jane was the aggressor, and I know from all the things that have happened in both series that Kenny would have given his life to protect Clementine and the Baby, where as Jane... If anything Jane has been nothing but reckless and would have probably ditched Clem or the baby to save herself if the need arose. It was logical to go with Kenny, he was the only one aside from Lee who proved time and time again he would do anything for the people he cared about.
I don't understand people that say that Kenny would turn on Clem if AJ died under her care, just like he did to Jane.
Are you just ignoring how much Kenny and Jane already didn't like each other and this was what pushed Jane to a point of no return, in Kenny's eyes???
Meanwhile Kenny had begun to see Clem as a sort of adopted daughter, and that her and AJ were the only things keeping him going in the first place. I don't doubt that Kenny would've been furious/broken over it, but I don't believe that he would've come close to actually trying to hurt Clem in any way.
That's fine and i understand that but if there was seriously a chance he could turn and there was no way of holding/tying a big guy down, would you honestly risk going near him? Giving him mouth to mouth where he could suddenly bite you? I couldn't and wouldn't take that chance but hey that's just what i'd do in that situation like it or not
Kenny: Needs to learn The Definition of Insanity
Jane: Needs to learn some better straight forward ways to execute plans
Everyone is at fault, especially when we are...
The Walking Dead.
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Kenny: Other people didn't cause some of your problems, don't blame them.
Jane: Just because some people did you wrong doesn't mean others will.
I agree that it doesn't justify kenny's actions, what i'm saying is that he would've died anyway.
More or less empty, i said.
I would kill him for attemping on my group, not for trying to survive. It's not the same, You kill someone it's the end. There are worse things than being dead, like torture which was what Kenny did. I said he deserves it because if you don't steal his supplies he says you did anyways, and get his group to attack you at the end anyway. The fact that Arvo doesn't have a gun to shoot doesn't justify making up sh*t that could get other people killed. Neither makes him less responsable for the attack.
They are selfish. As any human being is. Although they showed some selfless acts. I'll talk about that in another comment, i have to go now.
It wasn't the best choise, but there wasn't too many choises either way.
As soon as someone becomes unconscious or gets an injure in the zombie apocalypse, they have a chance to turn, it's different for everyone but I'd still try to do all I can to try and save them, even if it meant only giving them one last moment before they can no longer be saved, it would be worth the risk for me.
We don't actually know that.
Still not empty.
That depends on whether you actually did steal from Arvo or not but Arvo still doesn't actually harm anyone except for Clementine but that's only after being physically abused, isolated from the group and verbally insulted with derogatory words.
Not all people are selfish.
They could've waited and decreased the risks of unavoidable danger - the decision to leave Howe's at that moment is what lead to Carlos, Sarita, determinantly Nick, Sarah, Rebecca, Luke, determinantly Bonnie, determinantly Jane and determinantly Kenny killed. They may not have had too many choices but they chose to endanger an entire community filled with supplies they needed and was a place that had more safety(at least at the time) than outside of Howe's.
Maybe you, because none of your Friends or relatives had it, but i do know about that stuff. It's not so simple save someone from a heart-attack. If it was a 'pre' he could've MAYBE made it, but it was a full one, and since there were not doctors at the moment no one could really tell the type/intensity of the heart attack. Besides, you need a proper equipment to save someone with that kinda condition.
Never said it was, i'll repeat myself. more or less.
Doesn't matter. To me it proves that Arvo was stealing from his group from the start, and used Clem and Jane as a bait. Besides, why shoot at Clem who did not harm to you? In any case he should've shooted Kenny.
They're prink. Even the selfless acts you do everyday comes with selfish feelings that makes you feel better with yourself. Selfishness is not exactly something bad.
Well i agree with Jane that the plan was good, the execution was the problem.
Ok that's fair enough. I'd just find that a very hard thing to but also the fact Larry punched me and left me to die at the drugstore as well as every single sentance talking to him in which he was horrible. But that's cool of you to do prink
that's your opinion of course but i disagree on it being entirely his fault but anyone that hates/dislikes Kenny will blame him though
Herodriver specifically said "indirectly caused".
Except, Jane also went through a lot of crap, such as the death of her parents and being forced to leave her sister in order to save herself, plus being in the Washington D.C. group who all died on the same day. Kenny is the one who has been hot-headed and selfish, starting when we met him at Hershel's Farm.