Thoughts on Star Wars representing LGBT?
So, there's been some recent controversy over Star Wars representing the LGBT community, namely, they're thinking of making Luke Skywalker a Homosexual(or more likely Bisexual), there's little evidence that this will actually end up happening and people are both for and against it.
I can see both sides, on one side, there's nothing wrong with making a character like the same sex(even if they married someone of the opposite sex in an uncanon story) - in the end it doesn't really change much unless a romance is put forward, on the other hand, there's also no need to change a character who had already been established, it can seem like they're doing all this just because it's what is deemed as popular right now. Either way it won't change my own perspective on Luke or Star Wars.
So, what do you guys think about this? Are you for or against Star Wars representing LGBT through Luke, or are you in the middle?(Like you're for representation in Star Wars but not if it's an already established character or vice versa?)
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It doesn't matter. Why do they even feel they have to label his sexuality?
To be honest, I do not give a crap.
I don't have enough fucks to give. So what if a character is gay? This is why the term "Regressive Left" is used a lot, because people like this want pointless things such as race to matter again.
Any kind of sexual life isn't what jedi life is about. This argument is pointless.
Even if they do make him have a boyfriend or husband, that doesn't necessarily make him gay. Everyone's always so black and white when talking about sexuality, but contrary to popular belief, bi-sexuality actually does exist.
His character was never really shown having romantic relationships in the films (which at this point is the only thing that's canon since the expanded universe was deemed non-canon). So, this is pretty much a moot point.
But if this rumor turns out to be true, the character you enjoyed having relationships with female characters in non-canon stories won't necessarily no longer be attracted to females, his background will just be enhanced more in that he can be known to have romantic feelings for both males and females. So, it would still be possible for Luke to have relationships with females in his past even if, at this point in the franchise, he's in a relationship was a male. People having relationships with both males and females can and does happen all the time.
Why does anything have to be represented in star wars? It's just a movie.
Why does it matter if a film writer does want to make a character have a relationship with someone of the same sex? Everyone gets so upset because writers want to include multiple sexual preferences, races, and genders in stories. But, it really doesn't matter in the end the race, gender, or sexuality of that people in stories. The story matters, and The Force Awakens was really well received, despite the fact that a lot of people on the internet got all up in arms about it striving for diversity.
In the end, this is a writer's prerogative, especially when a character hasn't been explored too much in canon content. And, if this rumor is true, it's not going to make anything that was shown in the original trilogy any different than it was before. It's just going to explore an area of the character that hasn't been seen before in canon (which is what movies are all about).
Plus, as I stated above, they can show him in a relationship with a male character, and still leave the option open for him to have relationships with females in the past, since he doesn't have to be either gay or straight, the possibility is open for him to be bi-sexual as well. So, it could still be possible for him to have relationships with females in the past, like was shown in some non-canon stories. So, really, people getting upset about this really doesn't make any sense, since in the end it really doesn't matter at all.
mark hamill just gave a very diplomatic but vague answer about luke's sexuality, all he essentially said was that his sexuality has never been explored so he could be any sexuality, and people just ran with that as a clickbait story of him being bisexual, nobody is making luke bisexual it was just one tweet where he just basically said his sexuality is unknown, it could mean he was asexual, hetrosexual, bisexual, homosexual, etc. if they ever decide to explore that at all, and either way it doesn't matter.
That, plus the fact that there were comments about them wanting to include an LGBT character in the franchise, caused people to assume it was Luke. But, yeah. This is just a rumor. It's just as likely that it will be a new character that will be made LGBT.
But, even if it is Luke, it doesn't really matter anyway. If we do see Luke with a boyfriend or a husband, that won't be the focus of the story. The Star Wars films aren't centered around the sexualities of the characters.
I thought Skywalker had it out for his sister?
I don't hugely care one way or another, but it would seem a bit forced (no pun intended - actually no, I retroactively intend it.). I'd much rather they added a new GSM character than make one of the existing characters, but at the end of the day I don't really care.
Jedi are not allowed to love anyway, love is the most dangerous emotion both for the dark side of the force and the light side. Love can lead to the dark side and vice versa.
Of course it doesn't mean Jedi and Sith don't fall in love, half of them think the rule is stupid.
If they did it, they would lose a lot of respect from their audience, not due to the fact Luke is gay, but because they are making him gay simply to 'cater' for the 'LGBT' community. It would have nothing to do with plot, lore, or Luke as a character, it would purely revolve around softening up to these communities just for a better public image. I've got nothing against gays, but making characters gay just for the sake of making them gay, is plain dumb. I think most people would agree.
It's hard to explain my views on it, on one hand, I really don't care about their sexual orientations, but on the other, i'm thinking, fuck this, what's next, gender fluid binary trans autistic black Jedi just because we have to be accepting? I know that's pushing quite a bit...but you get my point.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gay representation, I just don't really like romance or relationships at all, especially in Star Wars. We all remember what happened last time they tried that.
I'm against it personally. Luke Skywalker did not strike me as being homosexual in the first three movies. And so I would find it unconvincing if that's what the try to make him in this new movie that's going to be coming out soon.
I think what bothers me more than anything about this topic, is the fact that why everyone feel that every single group in a movie or a video game or whatever-have-you needs to be represented. And if it's not represented the people get all bent out of shape about it.
I mean honestly how self-absorbed can you be? But then again selfishness knows no bounds! and I felt the same exact way when they started talking about how there were no black actors that were nominated this year. You know after a while of hearing about it I just thought to myself: "Get over it! So you weren't nominated for one year, why are you pissing a fit and making everybody else miserable?
There have been thousands of people who have been in the entertainment industry - both on camera and off - and have NEVER been recognized for the hard work that they do in order to make what you see on the big screen a success - sometimes NOT EVEN REMOTELY recognized.
And on a personal note, I know a LOT of extremely talented musicians, some are as good as, or even better, than the ones who have reccord deals. And yet they can't get recognized for their talent.
So what makes you so special, and why now? If you think the thing that makes you special or deserving has to do with you skin color or ethnicity, than you are as a matter of FACT, are a racist - and therefore have NO right complain."
The way I see it, the homosexual Community does not need to be addressed in order to make Luke Skywalker, or any of the characters in upcoming Star Wars movie to feel relatable.
Just like the Black Community doesn't need to be acknowledged in order to make the characters feel relatable. Since we are all human beings regardless of our ethnic background, or sexual proclivities, we all have certain traits that we can all relate to in each other.
We're all just people. So why get hung up on TRIVIAL garbage? And yes, thats what it is - GARBAGE. I thought the whole idea was for society to move past such things? You CANNOT move past anything, iif people keep bringing it up. So just DROP IT!
I'm not sure they're saying they're going to make Luke gay..
On the other side of the spectrum, if there happens to be a single gay character in a piece of art, people get angry about it and accuse the producers of being PC, instead of accepting that gay characters just exist because gay people exist. That happened with Walter in Walking Dead.
People are gonna complain no matter what happens, however it wouldn't be at all unrealistic for them to meet a queer character in a series with hundreds of characters.
Also, I remember you asking for the next protagonist of TWD to be white because it helps you relate better - how is that any different to people thinking it'd be cool to see a single non straight character in the films? Surely the first is worse because you're directly asking for white people to be represented as the MAIN character.
Okay you do make a fair point about my request regarding TWD.
I think the thing is, I just get tired of people bellyaching about every stupid little thing that happens in the world today. I'm just tired of all the bitching about the dissatisfaction of people in general. They're unhappy so they're going to make everybody else around them unhappy. It's just so stupid!
People, especially these days, seem to be Masters at finding something to complain about. And if they can't find something to complain about, they'll invent something to complain about.
And the reason why some of these people do these things, is because they are too damned lazy to get up off their sorry asses and do something with their life, something constructive. No they just prefer to sit on their asses, be miserable, and complain about every stupid little thing that happens. And in the meantime often expect others to take care of them!
The way I see it, if somebody is truly miserable, either get up off your sorry ass and do something about it, do something constructive in your life, or shut the fuck up, because nobody wants to hear you complain.
Now, I am not referring to you personally. No, I'm just referring to everybody who would rather sit on their ass, and complain that it's sore.
Or those who complain about stuff they just simply can't control. Or those who feel entitled because of some trivial matter.
Do you get my point?
Ah, I love the sound of alt-right dog whistle politics In the morning.
It's Seems pretty gratuitous and unnecessary. Still, it makes reactionaries have temper tantrums (see above), which is always a plus in my book.
I kind of do, but at the same time you're just bellyaching about people bellyaching.
Also I don't think you'd disagree with me when I say that you express your issues with society more than most other people on the board.
Indeed
I've got nothing against about gays, but let's be honest here... i'm getting tired about this issues... we had so much important and better things to do like how we save the planet... nature.. etc..
Yes I do, and I admit that. I think that for the most part, I'm just really dissatisfied with all the bullshit that you know different you know political offices and whatever else have you try to shuffle around every so often.
and also quite frankly, I'm just tired of people treating each other like shit. There is no reason to do that to somebody, especially when they haven't done anything wrong to you.
I was always raised to believe that people are better than that, or they're supposed to be better than that. Now I know for a fact what people are, and now disgusting they can be.
But it doesn't change the fact that I still feel that people should try to be the very best that they can be, and I include myself in that.
I don't agree with LGBT or SJW forcing sexualitys on characters I believe plot more important then a character sexuality should be within the story and plot of the movie not fan forced decision.
Having watched all the stars wars Lukes sexuality was always irrelevant to me I hope they remember stars wars is not real making all characters sexuality's irrelevant within the film because all simply not real it's imagination the film so close ur eyes and make all the characters gay simple see any of them acting straight in the film say they are then bi sexual problem solved. These films are made for us to fill in the blanks anyway we want tbh
Reminds me of the time JK Rowling approved of a black hermione granger for a stage play saying she can be whatever race you want she never specified her race. Instead of SJW saying thanks JK they attacked her next day saying WHY THE HELL DID YOU PICK A WHITE ACTRESS FOR A BLACK CHARACTER(hermione) IN THE HARRY POTTER MOVIES. seriously no pleasing them.
Are for the diversity for everyone to be represented or no one will enjoy or relate argument
Remember Deadpool? White cast made a lot of money in black community who loved it they researched why and they found out a persons color is irrelevant the quality of story and plot is what matters for film goers to connect with the film . The quality of characters and script no one cares what colour the cast are or aren't to enjoy a movie to relate, if you can't enjoy because of characters race I think ur may be racist. It made 700 million and was banned in china so would of made well over a billion proving the point story is what matters.
To be honest I don't see SJW problem in Star wars the biggest appeasement character made for them they never supported which really upset me was Chewbecca big, hairy and screams irrelevant things no one understands
i feel the same way...
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this topic is more interesting tho..
Why not Poe?
Poe's Law is definitely getting a workout these days.
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I'm completely fine with it. I don’t see the harm that they’re making lgbt characters and it don’t see as it “carting” to the lgbt community whatsoever. I mean look at the Borderlands franchise, nearly every characters are lgbt.
I've seen people use the excuse that he liked his sister, but you can be gay if you have been with someone the opposite sex before and you can have kids before coming out as an homosexual. Trust me, I've been through that before and I'm a lesbian.
Poe is gay? Since when?
If Obi Wan was bisexual I would accept that, the way the character behaved and the "Order" he was raised in from a child to a middle aged man sense of brotherhood likely could of encouraged it unofficially. Luke Skywalker in my opinion, no... Being the Jedi order was based heavily off the Samurai and the concepts of Sexuality among Samurai in Japan was well often bisexual, ie it wasn't looked down upon among Samurai, I wouldn't mind the idea if Obi Wan was. Definitely for how emotionally broken he was at the end of Revenge of the Sith.
You have children?
No, meant that I've been with someone the opposite sex before, whoops xD
Nah just a failed joke by me about the fandom
Why not introduce a new character instead of already changing an already established character? Both sides would be happy.
I really don't care to be honest, he's a Jedi Master now so he shouldn't have romantic or sexual relationships. I doubt it will really effect anything because of that. Luke is like 50 too, and has been living on island on a planet no one knows where for years.
The only thing it really would do besides make the Internet blow up is that it would make Leia kissing him even more awkward then it was before.
Ronin of Tatooine?
Will it influence his character in a big way and be somewhat important to the story? Then sure go for it!
But LGBT for the sake of LGBT? It seems pretty unnecessary to me.
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Meh, what do I think about Luke possibly being gay? I think it was just Mark Hamil being nice and open to people so I doubt they're gonna make Luke gay and if anything, the character might have had a child before so yeah....
(posting this for the hell of it)
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