I'm completely in favor and like any good social policy implemented at a reasonable pace with all due caution.
The "muh predators" line is a load of malarkey. There is no evidence to suggest that gender-neutral bathrooms would cause an increase in sexual assault. It's baseless fearmongering, plain and simple.
Forbidding a trans person from using their preferred bathroom is petty and pointlessly cruel. It's a pretty good example of the moral and ethical bankruptcy of the religious right, in my opinion.
You see this is one of the things that Republicans were so afraid of, when gay marriage became legalized. And honestly, I understand their concerns, and agree with them. Because when you change the definition of a institution, that has been around for thousands and thousands of years, then where do you draw the line at?
Give the queers an inch and they'll take a mile. WHERE WILL THE BASIC DIGNITIES END?!"
I thinks it's more of a psychology thing, people can feel in the wrong for taking their children into a bathroom of their opposite sex and the adult could feel wrong for looking after their children in a bathroom for their opposite sex, it's mostly due to genders being labeled for bathrooms, it's a rule and people feel nervous when they break it, so to speak. Honestly there's not much of a problem in my opinion, as stalls are where the toilets are and they can just wait outside the stall with the door closed, however, it's a different situation in restrooms with urinals I suppose.
Yeah I dont think child predation is as easy to controll as simply separating genders the argument is laughable, its assuming predators only prey on children of the opposite sex. I imagining a male pedo seeing a unaccompanied boy and saying "ew im not gay that shit is gross, gays are an abomination"
I'm completely in favor and like any good social policy implemented at a reasonable pace with all due caution.
The "muh predators" line i… mores a load of malarkey. There is no evidence to suggest that gender-neutral bathrooms would cause an increase in sexual assault. It's baseless fearmongering, plain and simple.
Forbidding a trans person from using their preferred bathroom is petty and pointlessly cruel. It's a pretty good example of the moral and ethical bankruptcy of the religious right, in my opinion.
You see this is one of the things that Republicans were so afraid of, when gay marriage became legalized. And honestly, I understand their concerns, and agree with them. Because when you change the definition of a institution, that has been around for thousands and thousands of years, then where do you draw the line at?
Give the queers an inch and they'll take a mile. WHERE WILL THE BASIC DIGNITIES END?!"
I think they are stupid. The idea just breathes Tumblr. Sexual predation is real, and people like to feel comfortable hanging a shit, sorry … morebut it's true. I'm not personally worried about it, but for children and women probably not a great idea. People need to experience the real world.
If you're trans, it's really easy, look down and see what you have. Male parts, go to mens, and vice versa. If people judge you, don't be a pussy and whine about it on social media, flick it away like the strong, independent individual you always say you are, and move on. Sorry but that last bit had to be added. We can't cater for every single persons preference/disability/etc on this planet. Male and female is really quite simple. I know other will think otherwise, but hey, my opinion.
Yeah I dont think child predation is as easy to controll as simply separating genders the argument is laughable, its assuming predators only… more prey on children of the opposite sex. I imagining a male pedo seeing a unaccompanied boy and saying "ew im not gay that shit is gross, gays are an abomination"
Sounds like a priest, actually...
(yes, of course, not all priests, a tiny majority, but same with transsexuals or any other segment of the population.)
Ooops, I misread you statement. Though there are plenty of straight child molesters - it's just there's far more social outrage against homosexual ones, just like, let's be honest, there's more outrage over male molesters than female ones (especially if it's a female molesting an underage boy).
And, to go back to the OP, I'm disappointed all this talk of pedophilia even has to come up in a thread about trans rights.
Why do we have separate bathrooms? To prevent intermingling of the sexes during that special part of the day. Until a time when people are comfortable sharing a bathroom with the opposite sex, more than likely never, this is how it should remain. I don't think these people should be forced to use a bathroom dedicated to a sex they don't identify as, though.
Oh look, it's this twat again (not you, the video). Probable UKIP voter feeds off the asinine hate machine (though I will give him credit for calling out hypocrisy in Russia and Saudi Arabia), he himself admits only effects and extemely small percent of the population, all while scapegoating the sex offender minory (btw, you can be a sex offender for urinated in public) all while targeting non-passible transsexuals without realizing they're most likely on part of their process into become passible transwomen, or transwomen who simply don't have the money to afford all of the surgery that is often necessary.
Who's this directed to Max? It replied to me...not what I am talking about.
Edit:ahhh, I get you. That's what I was saying, downright abuse isn't right but if you're worried about copping a bit of flak for using a toilet I'm sorry but I think you'd need to grow up. Aren't trans people supposed to be proud of who they are? Stand up for yourself a bit. The world can't solve all of your problems.
The abuse will generally come in the form of a low life grub eho isn't worth a pinch of salt in this world anyway.
Abuse of trans people often goes far beyond name calling and is VERY alarmingly common. It's not a joke, it's not hurt feels. It's an epide… moremic of discrimination, harrassment and violence.
Don't mean to offend, but this post betrays your lack of understanding about the situation.
For single occupancy, they should all be gender neutral. No point making somebody wait when there's an empty single occupancy bathroom available.For multi stall bathrooms, I'm okay with it with one of caveat: they really need to be better about privacy in bathroom stalls! Let the doors reach to the top and bottom. Get rid that crack along the sides. It would still be a personal adjustment for me to get used to the idea of a woman hearing me pee or open a sanitary napkin packet, but I'll get used to it. I just don't want to accidentally make eye contact with one through the crack I'm by the door.
This was brought up in one of my classes today and a few people got involved, including the teacher. My personal stance? Let people pee where they want to pee, it really isn't a big deal and it's not going to start a big issue. I'm not a big supporter of either side, quite frankly I would leave it to businesses and/or states to decide and let it go where it goes. Though the teacher, who has daughters, was against the idea and brought up the pedophiles or other people who would "take advantage" of this system. I told him that if someone wanted to abuse children or women, they were going to do it, they could pull themselves off as women and do whatever they want, or if they were actually women doing it to other women or men.
He disagreed, he said that it would be easier for these type of people to gain access to these locations to attack people as society is highly against anyone of man status going into a female bathroom. His stance was also mainly on women, especially young women, and he claimed it was because men sexually assault women 99% of the time while women do it to other women only 1% of the time...Which, we called bullshit on and he ignored it. I brought up the harm it does to people who have fully transitioned, it's going to be weird to have a man who looks like a woman in the guys room and a women who looks like a man in the woman's room.
It's not a simple thing. First off, if someone attacks someone in a bathroom, especially public like in a store or mall, people are going to know and they'll be arrested no matter what. Secondly, you won't know someone's genitals unless you're spying on other people in the bathroom...automatically weird and showing warning signs.
My solution to this? I think it would be too expensive to implement an entirely different bathroom for transgender people to go to an unpractical. As I said before, leave it up to the state and/or business. Though some people are upset at even that, Target allowed these gender neutral bathrooms and people are boycotting them, one of my friends said it's great and I brought up how he disagreed with boycotting the Christian bakers who refused a cake to a gay couple. People are hypocrites, say you're in favor of businesses' choices and then support boycotting of a business because they made a choice you don't like.
To be fair, if a woman ever walks up next me while I'm using a urinal, and she too begins to use the urinal, I'm probably gonna be hardcore weirded-out.
I think you should be the one sourcing your claims first before asking others to source theirs as you made the claim originally without evidence to back it up.
What's so creepy about it may I ask? Although with gender neutral bathrooms that have urinals I can understand how it could be creepy, I mean even as a guy I find it at least a bit creepy having to pee next to a stranger x.x
It's just letting a whole shit ton (see what I did there) of both sexes having sex or getting molested in bathrooms. That's fucking disturbing. I mean, if I was a female, I wouldn't wanna get raped after taking a piss. Would you like that?
What's so creepy about it may I ask? Although with gender neutral bathrooms that have urinals I can understand how it could be creepy, I mean even as a guy I find it at least a bit creepy having to pee next to a stranger x.x
There are even some places around the world with nude gender neutral changing rooms and it still seems like more of the child molestation goes on in specific gender restrooms, I wonder how many of these cases lacked parental supervision? As that could be a big factor in this issue.
I still don't really understand why they leave pretty large gaps at the bottom and top of the stalls, maybe it's just me but I feel it's rather awkward knowing that people could easily peak from below or above, it could be even more awkward for some to use urinals with females present.
For single occupancy, they should all be gender neutral. No point making somebody wait when there's an empty single occupancy bathroom avail… moreable.For multi stall bathrooms, I'm okay with it with one of caveat: they really need to be better about privacy in bathroom stalls! Let the doors reach to the top and bottom. Get rid that crack along the sides. It would still be a personal adjustment for me to get used to the idea of a woman hearing me pee or open a sanitary napkin packet, but I'll get used to it. I just don't want to accidentally make eye contact with one through the crack I'm by the door.
I share your concerns, I'm also concerned by the fact that people don't flush, it's one of the reasons I dislike public restrooms x.x not only do they present some safety concerns but also health concerns.
We've all used gender neutral bathrooms before. There's one in your house/apartment
My main concern, though, about PUBLIC gender neutral restrooms is sexual predators. Other than that, I'm cool with it.
It really comes down to people being the issue, not the restrooms, which is the root of what seems to be most concerns people have about a wide variety of topics nowadays. I think they should try and find a middle ground, like open up gender neutral restrooms in certain places where restrooms are difficult to find/are often occupied/take a while to get to, cause then people would have more of an option, although most shops do have restrooms so people could always use those if they preferred.
This was brought up in one of my classes today and a few people got involved, including the teacher. My personal stance? Let people pee wher… moree they want to pee, it really isn't a big deal and it's not going to start a big issue. I'm not a big supporter of either side, quite frankly I would leave it to businesses and/or states to decide and let it go where it goes. Though the teacher, who has daughters, was against the idea and brought up the pedophiles or other people who would "take advantage" of this system. I told him that if someone wanted to abuse children or women, they were going to do it, they could pull themselves off as women and do whatever they want, or if they were actually women doing it to other women or men.
He disagreed, he said that it would be easier for these type of people to gain access to these locations to attack people as society is highly against anyone of man status going into a female bathroom. His stance was als… [view original content]
Don't forget people urinating on the seats. When I was in high school, all of the girls chose to squat and pee, which I kinda understand. The toilet seats were gross but it wouldn't be so nasty if they all just cleaned up their mess in the first place.
I share your concerns, I'm also concerned by the fact that people don't flush, it's one of the reasons I dislike public restrooms x.x not only do they present some safety concerns but also health concerns.
What are you talking about? Can you prove that there is an increased amount of rape and molestation in gender neutral bathrooms? Because I sure as hell can prove otherwise.
It's just letting a whole shit ton (see what I did there) of both sexes having sex or getting molested in bathrooms. That's fucking disturbing. I mean, if I was a female, I wouldn't wanna get raped after taking a piss. Would you like that?
I would agree with you on that(well I do regardless), however, these cases of people having sex and getting molested in bathrooms existed primarily and still exist primarily in bathrooms meant on for one gender or the other. No I wouldn't like it and the fact that it's happened to females who use female only bathrooms shows that the bathroom isn't the problem, I think people forget that males can still rape or have sex with males in male only bathrooms and females can still rape or have sex with females in female only bathrooms and yes, the instance where a male/female go to a bathroom of the opposite gender do still occur. I don't think the sign above a bathroom is going to stop or encourage anyone from doing disgusting deeds but feel free to prove me wrong :x
It's just letting a whole shit ton (see what I did there) of both sexes having sex or getting molested in bathrooms. That's fucking disturbing. I mean, if I was a female, I wouldn't wanna get raped after taking a piss. Would you like that?
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I don't like using public restrooms, when that happens I grab allot of toilet piper and make sure I don't touch any of their urine xd it's not that difficult to get some toilet paper and clean the restroom if you mess it up, I think people are just lazy. Then there's the guy's bathrooms that have wet toilet paper on the ceiling, pee on the floor in front of the freaking urinals, condoms in the toilet as well as nasties on the seats x.x these are the reasons I go to the bathroom at the end of the school where people can't be bothered walking extra meters.
Don't forget people urinating on the seats. When I was in high school, all of the girls chose to squat and pee, which I kinda understand. Th… moree toilet seats were gross but it wouldn't be so nasty if they all just cleaned up their mess in the first place.
No, but it could start. Like, say if I see a girl walk in there and then a guy walk in there, you can let both of them in there, and...you know what happens next. And it'll probably be silent. Did you know bathrooms have door locks?
What are you talking about? Can you prove that there is an increased amount of rape and molestation in gender neutral bathrooms? Because I sure as hell can prove otherwise.
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I'm completely in favor and like any good social policy implemented at a reasonable pace with all due caution.
The "muh predators" line is a load of malarkey. There is no evidence to suggest that gender-neutral bathrooms would cause an increase in sexual assault. It's baseless fearmongering, plain and simple.
Forbidding a trans person from using their preferred bathroom is petty and pointlessly cruel. It's a pretty good example of the moral and ethical bankruptcy of the religious right, in my opinion.
Give the queers an inch and they'll take a mile. WHERE WILL THE BASIC DIGNITIES END?!"
I thinks it's more of a psychology thing, people can feel in the wrong for taking their children into a bathroom of their opposite sex and the adult could feel wrong for looking after their children in a bathroom for their opposite sex, it's mostly due to genders being labeled for bathrooms, it's a rule and people feel nervous when they break it, so to speak. Honestly there's not much of a problem in my opinion, as stalls are where the toilets are and they can just wait outside the stall with the door closed, however, it's a different situation in restrooms with urinals I suppose.
Yeah I dont think child predation is as easy to controll as simply separating genders the argument is laughable, its assuming predators only prey on children of the opposite sex. I imagining a male pedo seeing a unaccompanied boy and saying "ew im not gay that shit is gross, gays are an abomination"
I think it's creepy.
Abuse of trans people often goes far beyond name calling and is VERY alarmingly common. It's not a joke, it's not hurt feels. It's an epidemic of discrimination, harrassment and violence.
Don't mean to offend, but this post betrays your lack of understanding about the situation.
Sounds like a priest, actually...
(yes, of course, not all priests, a tiny majority, but same with transsexuals or any other segment of the population.)
I thought priests preferred boys
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Ooops, I misread you statement. Though there are plenty of straight child molesters - it's just there's far more social outrage against homosexual ones, just like, let's be honest, there's more outrage over male molesters than female ones (especially if it's a female molesting an underage boy).
And, to go back to the OP, I'm disappointed all this talk of pedophilia even has to come up in a thread about trans rights.
Why do we have separate bathrooms? To prevent intermingling of the sexes during that special part of the day. Until a time when people are comfortable sharing a bathroom with the opposite sex, more than likely never, this is how it should remain. I don't think these people should be forced to use a bathroom dedicated to a sex they don't identify as, though.
Btw, I should add, I was in Austria, and there were common changing rooms, and guess what, no molestation going on.
Oh look, it's this twat again (not you, the video). Probable UKIP voter feeds off the asinine hate machine (though I will give him credit for calling out hypocrisy in Russia and Saudi Arabia), he himself admits only effects and extemely small percent of the population, all while scapegoating the sex offender minory (btw, you can be a sex offender for urinated in public) all while targeting non-passible transsexuals without realizing they're most likely on part of their process into become passible transwomen, or transwomen who simply don't have the money to afford all of the surgery that is often necessary.
One popular transgender celebrity talking about the issue of passiblity.
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Who's this directed to Max? It replied to me...not what I am talking about.
Edit:ahhh, I get you. That's what I was saying, downright abuse isn't right but if you're worried about copping a bit of flak for using a toilet I'm sorry but I think you'd need to grow up. Aren't trans people supposed to be proud of who they are? Stand up for yourself a bit. The world can't solve all of your problems.
The abuse will generally come in the form of a low life grub eho isn't worth a pinch of salt in this world anyway.
For single occupancy, they should all be gender neutral. No point making somebody wait when there's an empty single occupancy bathroom available.For multi stall bathrooms, I'm okay with it with one of caveat: they really need to be better about privacy in bathroom stalls! Let the doors reach to the top and bottom. Get rid that crack along the sides. It would still be a personal adjustment for me to get used to the idea of a woman hearing me pee or open a sanitary napkin packet, but I'll get used to it. I just don't want to accidentally make eye contact with one through the crack I'm by the door.
We've all used gender neutral bathrooms before. There's one in your house/apartment
My main concern, though, about PUBLIC gender neutral restrooms is sexual predators. Other than that, I'm cool with it.
This Thread is going to be good. Grabs Popcorn
I got no problem with using neutral bathrooms. But with public bathrooms, it should remain separated because of predators.
Do you have any proof you can offer to substantiate your claim?
This was brought up in one of my classes today and a few people got involved, including the teacher. My personal stance? Let people pee where they want to pee, it really isn't a big deal and it's not going to start a big issue. I'm not a big supporter of either side, quite frankly I would leave it to businesses and/or states to decide and let it go where it goes. Though the teacher, who has daughters, was against the idea and brought up the pedophiles or other people who would "take advantage" of this system. I told him that if someone wanted to abuse children or women, they were going to do it, they could pull themselves off as women and do whatever they want, or if they were actually women doing it to other women or men.
He disagreed, he said that it would be easier for these type of people to gain access to these locations to attack people as society is highly against anyone of man status going into a female bathroom. His stance was also mainly on women, especially young women, and he claimed it was because men sexually assault women 99% of the time while women do it to other women only 1% of the time...Which, we called bullshit on and he ignored it. I brought up the harm it does to people who have fully transitioned, it's going to be weird to have a man who looks like a woman in the guys room and a women who looks like a man in the woman's room.
It's not a simple thing. First off, if someone attacks someone in a bathroom, especially public like in a store or mall, people are going to know and they'll be arrested no matter what. Secondly, you won't know someone's genitals unless you're spying on other people in the bathroom...automatically weird and showing warning signs.
My solution to this? I think it would be too expensive to implement an entirely different bathroom for transgender people to go to an unpractical. As I said before, leave it up to the state and/or business. Though some people are upset at even that, Target allowed these gender neutral bathrooms and people are boycotting them, one of my friends said it's great and I brought up how he disagreed with boycotting the Christian bakers who refused a cake to a gay couple. People are hypocrites, say you're in favor of businesses' choices and then support boycotting of a business because they made a choice you don't like.
I don't really give a shit, to be honest.
To be fair, if a woman ever walks up next me while I'm using a urinal, and she too begins to use the urinal, I'm probably gonna be hardcore weirded-out.
I think you should be the one sourcing your claims first before asking others to source theirs as you made the claim originally without evidence to back it up.
What's so creepy about it may I ask? Although with gender neutral bathrooms that have urinals I can understand how it could be creepy, I mean even as a guy I find it at least a bit creepy having to pee next to a stranger x.x
It's just letting a whole shit ton (see what I did there) of both sexes having sex or getting molested in bathrooms. That's fucking disturbing. I mean, if I was a female, I wouldn't wanna get raped after taking a piss. Would you like that?
There are even some places around the world with nude gender neutral changing rooms and it still seems like more of the child molestation goes on in specific gender restrooms, I wonder how many of these cases lacked parental supervision? As that could be a big factor in this issue.
I still don't really understand why they leave pretty large gaps at the bottom and top of the stalls, maybe it's just me but I feel it's rather awkward knowing that people could easily peak from below or above, it could be even more awkward for some to use urinals with females present.
I share your concerns, I'm also concerned by the fact that people don't flush, it's one of the reasons I dislike public restrooms x.x not only do they present some safety concerns but also health concerns.
Buttered or Salted?
It really comes down to people being the issue, not the restrooms, which is the root of what seems to be most concerns people have about a wide variety of topics nowadays. I think they should try and find a middle ground, like open up gender neutral restrooms in certain places where restrooms are difficult to find/are often occupied/take a while to get to, cause then people would have more of an option, although most shops do have restrooms so people could always use those if they preferred.
I prefer salted, to much butter makes my head hurt.
I just...I can't I feel kinda dirty afterwards.
Don't forget people urinating on the seats. When I was in high school, all of the girls chose to squat and pee, which I kinda understand. The toilet seats were gross but it wouldn't be so nasty if they all just cleaned up their mess in the first place.
What are you talking about? Can you prove that there is an increased amount of rape and molestation in gender neutral bathrooms? Because I sure as hell can prove otherwise.
I think the best stuff already happened.
Probably because everything in there has germs, double the sexes, double the filth.
I'll watch for the Thread Mjölnir. Don't eat it all!
I would agree with you on that(well I do regardless), however, these cases of people having sex and getting molested in bathrooms existed primarily and still exist primarily in bathrooms meant on for one gender or the other. No I wouldn't like it and the fact that it's happened to females who use female only bathrooms shows that the bathroom isn't the problem, I think people forget that males can still rape or have sex with males in male only bathrooms and females can still rape or have sex with females in female only bathrooms and yes, the instance where a male/female go to a bathroom of the opposite gender do still occur. I don't think the sign above a bathroom is going to stop or encourage anyone from doing disgusting deeds but feel free to prove me wrong :x
I've never eaten buttered xd although I've eaten sugar powdered popcorn.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I don't like using public restrooms, when that happens I grab allot of toilet piper and make sure I don't touch any of their urine xd it's not that difficult to get some toilet paper and clean the restroom if you mess it up, I think people are just lazy. Then there's the guy's bathrooms that have wet toilet paper on the ceiling, pee on the floor in front of the freaking urinals, condoms in the toilet as well as nasties on the seats x.x these are the reasons I go to the bathroom at the end of the school where people can't be bothered walking extra meters.
No, but it could start. Like, say if I see a girl walk in there and then a guy walk in there, you can let both of them in there, and...you know what happens next. And it'll probably be silent. Did you know bathrooms have door locks?