Crimes can't be prevented before they happen. This isn't Minority Report (although sometimes I wish that crime prediction really could be a reality). Men have gone into women's rooms way before these laws and raped women (although this isn't as common as fear mongers would have you believe), and these laws are unlikely to increase it. It's way too much effort since these creeps prey on women from the shadows, not out in the open, drawing attention to themselves. They certainly would be noticeable - very much so - if they were men dressed up as women. These laws will just prevent men from using the excuse that they are transgender to get away with it, since it's really easy to check to see if they really are transgender.
If it happens (and it's really doubtful, as I stated above), it definitely will be followed up by the police since this is a hot button issue right now. The police always follow up on matters that are sure to have a lot of worldwide media attention.
They are specifically written to prevent people who want to prey on the opposite sex from abusing these laws by requiring the gender identit… morey and expression to be genuine and proven.
And how will they be proven in that moment? Will there be police officers stationed at every locker room to make sure there aren't pervs dressing as women just to go into the locker room? and will these officers be the ones whom follow up on these cases. Police barely follow up on rape allegations, so I doubt they'll take the time following up with neighbors and such just to prove this person is not trans.
Yeah it's not a new thing, but with this law now they actually have an excuse to do so. It's will not be easy to check if these people are truly trans. Firstly there's now a such thing as gender fluid, secondly after the crime is committed officers will have to find the individual whom committed the crime then actually follow up and prove that this individual is not in fact trans. Which again how do you actually prove someone is trans? All trans people don't have therapist, neighbors of this trans person may not know they are trans, basically all trans people don't have a written record of them being trans, plus a lot of them refuse to get surgery to look like the gender they identify as. So are we suppose to just take their word for it? To say it will be easy to actually track who's trans or not is a ludicrous statement.
Rape is also a hot button topic, but hundreds of thousands of rape kits go untested in the USA and rapist get away. If law enforcement now don't take the time to test rape kits, what makes you think they'll go through even more work to try and prove an individual is trans? Do you not see how this law can be abused? By someone just saying they are trans they'll have easy access to little girls and their mothers. If and when the culprit is caught, law enforcement will then have to prove that this perv is not trans. Rape isn't always the issue, peeping is also. I'm sorry, I don't want a grown man to have access to a restroom little girls can be using just by saying he's trans. Now they can't just arrest the perv. They'll have to prove he's not trans and there was no peeping involved; let's also not forget some trans women are still attracted to women.
Crimes can't be prevented before they happen. This isn't Minority Report (although sometimes I wish that crime prediction really could be a… more reality). Men have gone into women's rooms way before these laws and raped women (although this isn't as common as fear mongers would have you believe), and these laws are unlikely to increase it. It's way too much effort since these creeps prey on women from the shadows, not out in the open, drawing attention to themselves. They certainly would be noticeable - very much so - if they were men dressed up as women. These laws will just prevent men from using the excuse that they are transgender to get away with it, since it's really easy to check to see if they really are transgender.
If it happens (and it's really doubtful, as I stated above), it definitely will be followed up by the police since this is a hot button issue right now. The police always follow up on matters that are sure to have a lot of worldwide media attention.
but still were assaulted because they were large or had natural male features (which certainly isn't their fault, as they most likely transitioned after puberty).
Exactly my point, they still look like men. If they didn't people wouldn't even notice they were trans and could walk in the female restroom with no problems like Janet Mock.
As I said, those transgender women did appear as women, but were still beaten in the rest room.
Chrissy Lee Polis
Jewlyes Gutierrez (t… morehe Hercules teen from the second article)
These transgender women did more than just put "on a dress and wig". They had naturally long hair, wore makeup, and women's clothing but still were assaulted because they were large or had natural male features (which certainly isn't their fault, as they most likely transitioned after puberty).
These laws are to made to stop that kind of thing from happening. It won't do it right away, as I noted with segregation laws, but it will help in the future. Without these laws, the people who harass these transgender people wouldn't be charged with a crime, and possibly worse - these transgender people could possibly be charged with crimes themselves, simply for using the restroom, which is preposterous.
Oh yes, the 'what about the children' line. No, it doesn't give predators more access. If they're going to prey on little girls and boys, I … moredon't think a sign is going to stop them, and I don't think transsexuals are any more likely that cisgendered people to be pedophiles.
Gender divided bathrooms haven't been around for thousands of years. Most people shat in fields or a designated hole. People commonly used to defecate on the floor in Versailles.
Also,
On the other hand, these are two different people of two different genders.
Feel free to bleach your eyes now.
Personally to me Transgender doesn't exist. There is no such thing. It's just a surgical make over and nothing more. I think south park … morehit the nail on the head when they had an entire episode on Plastic Surgery. Just because you have surgery to make yourself a Dolphin does not mean you're a Dolphin.
I don't mind the idea of neutral bathrooms, it's a sociological issue that causes people to be so up tight about the idea. However, I think the entire debate has come about for completely the wrong reasons. We shouldn't be arguing this because of Transgender equality as to me Transgender doesn't exist, it's a stupid reason to even bring the argument forward. We shouldn't be encouraging people to surgically change themselves and then declare they're a new gender.
I'd love to be a women, I've always felt that way, it would be a lot easier than trying to be a feminine man in today's world were femininity and masculinity are more defin… [view original content]
I honestly think if you have a dong you stand and piss in the gents' room, if you don't then you sit and piss in the ladies' room. No need to complicate shit.
We have had family restrooms for years....how many times has a transgender person assaulted a woman or a man? Less than .001. More likely a "normal" man has been guilty of some crap. So let's stop with this indignant ranting about being against transgender people using the restroom.
And what of women who "look like men" like the women who I posted about above who got prevented by men from using the bathroom? They don't deserve to be harassed any more than the transgender women in those articles deserve to be harassed.
That's the problem when you institute rules that prevent people from using the bathrooms, you just cause more trouble and cause fear for no reason. There's no one look for women. Some women even have beards, as there are conditions that cause that such as polycystic ovary syndrome. If you institute rules that keep people out of the bathrooms you're just going to lead to more harassment of not just transgender women, but women who don't fit the traditional gender role as well.
but still were assaulted because they were large or had natural male features (which certainly isn't their fault, as they most likely transi… moretioned after puberty).
Exactly my point, they still look like men. If they didn't people wouldn't even notice they were trans and could walk in the female restroom with no problems like Janet Mock.
The public restrooms in the place of my employ are gender neutral and we haven't had any problems. This wasn't due to any sort of progressive thinking mind you. More so because half the time, one of them is out of order.
Even if someone is gender fluid, friends, family members, therapists and/or employers would know. If there's no history, then it's a simple case. Besides, you ignored my point that this is very unlikely to happen. Predators prefer to be in the shadows. They don't make themselves known by going out in public wearing clothes of the opposite sex (which would be very obvious if they weren't transgender, as transgender people have years of experience "passing", and someone that didn't have that experience would stick out like a sore thumb).
I'm sorry, I don't want a grown man to have access to a restroom little girls can be using just by saying he's trans. Now they can't just arrest the perv. They'll have to prove he's not trans and there was no peeping involved; let's also not forget some trans women are still attracted to women.
Transgender women don't go in there to peep any more than lesbian women do. They just go in there to do their business and leave. Women have also preyed on other women, and women can also be attracted to women. Should we ban all lesbian women from using women's facilities as well? Because, if you want to worry about things that might happen, you might as well ban lesbian women as well. That's just as likely to happen, since there has never been a case of a transgender person harassing someone in restrooms or change rooms.
Rape is also a hot button topic, but hundreds of thousands of rape kits go untested in the USA and rapist get away. If law enforcement now don't take the time to test rape kits, what makes you think they'll go through even more work to try and prove an individual is trans?
The point though is, this is beyond a hot button topic. You honestly think that if someone actually did abuse this law (which is really, really unlikely, like I said before), there wouldn't be a worldwide media circus surrounding it?
Yeah it's not a new thing, but with this law now they actually have an excuse to do so. It's will not be easy to check if these people are t… moreruly trans. Firstly there's now a such thing as gender fluid, secondly after the crime is committed officers will have to find the individual whom committed the crime then actually follow up and prove that this individual is not in fact trans. Which again how do you actually prove someone is trans? All trans people don't have therapist, neighbors of this trans person may not know they are trans, basically all trans people don't have a written record of them being trans, plus a lot of them refuse to get surgery to look like the gender they identify as. So are we suppose to just take their word for it? To say it will be easy to actually track who's trans or not is a ludicrous statement.
Rape is also a hot button topic, but hundreds of thousands of rape kits go untested in the USA and rapist get away. If … [view original content]
But using a gender neutral bathroom is entirely optional, you know that male only and female only bathrooms will still exist right? If a male feels they should be a female and a female feels they should be a male, it's their decision to undergo a sex change, what they do with their bodies in order to feel like who they are should be no concern to anyone(unless you're close to them I guess? But at least try to understand them).
What is your opinion of gender neutral restrooms?
Should not be supported . It's a stupid....stupid idea...
Don't want guys in my r… moreestroom period . But I saw this coming . Man wanna be women and vice versa . Clearly the human race needs a do-over.
Personally, I think people would more so benefit in learning to love themselves, be who they are and not change just because of the way society treats them but it's difficult for allot of people as even now a feminine male and a masculine female are still made fun of for not acting like the gender stereotype. I believe there are some stories where people change their sex because people didn't accept their femininity or masculinity and some stories where they just didn't feel right in their body, really no one else can tell someone if they're comfortable in their own body, only the person in that body knows that and if they decide to change it, they have every right to regardless of other peoples' opinions but I personally feel saddened by that, saddened to see someone change who they are rather than learning to love who they are but that's just me and I'm not trying to say it's wrong not to love yourself, it's my own point of view. As for Transgender, Unisex people exist and if people want to call others Transgender or if people who have transitioned etc. prefer to call themselves that, then I personally don't see a problem with it. I agree, no one should encourage someone to change who they are, although that's rather hypocritical of me as I would be one to encourage my friends if they decided to change their hair color if they liked the color or if they wanted a tattoo or if they wanted to lose weight or get a bit bulkier.
Personally to me Transgender doesn't exist. There is no such thing. It's just a surgical make over and nothing more. I think south park … morehit the nail on the head when they had an entire episode on Plastic Surgery. Just because you have surgery to make yourself a Dolphin does not mean you're a Dolphin.
I don't mind the idea of neutral bathrooms, it's a sociological issue that causes people to be so up tight about the idea. However, I think the entire debate has come about for completely the wrong reasons. We shouldn't be arguing this because of Transgender equality as to me Transgender doesn't exist, it's a stupid reason to even bring the argument forward. We shouldn't be encouraging people to surgically change themselves and then declare they're a new gender.
I'd love to be a women, I've always felt that way, it would be a lot easier than trying to be a feminine man in today's world were femininity and masculinity are more defin… [view original content]
There's a difference between surgery to change your species and surgery to change your biological sex though, if we go technical, then males and females are all the same - humans, the only difference between sexes is really our genitalia, the ability to give birth and whether our breasts produce milk :x(Even then there are some women who can't produce milk, some that are infertile, I believe there are cases of males getting pregnant and male lactation is also a thing, include the fact that there are Inter-sex people who exist, there's not that many differences between male or female, there are more differences in personalities). Again, there's a huge difference between wanting to be a dolphin and wanting to be the opposite biological sex, as being a dolphin wouldn't require changing your genitals, it would require changing your entire way of living, the shape and size of your body and allot of your organs, your physical appearance and to truly be a dolphin, you'd have to live, eat and breath like they do.
Yes, academics that want their name in the books somewhere as everything else is already claimed. "Oh I will fight for Transgender rights!"… more Rather than using common sense. Again, if you had surgery to look like a Dolphin doesn't mean you're a Dolphin, common sense at it's core right there.
i dont really have much of an opinion on public gender neurtral bathrooms as there are none in the area i live but i wouldnt care as long as i dont make eye contact with someone from the crack in the door
And may I ask the reliability of this data, how can they truly know how many intersex people exist around the world? There's no accurate per… morecentage for anything as it would require testing every single individual on the planet, even then, a minority may be a minority but they're still humans that deserve the same rights as we do, such as being able to use the restroom.
You can't dictate whether people will pick 500 over 50 when not stating the variables for each group of people or not even explaining this type of situation that has what to do with gender neutral bathrooms exactly? With gender neutral bathrooms you save allot of people from excreting into their own clothes.
There are technically three biological sexes, male, female and intersex, you can count intersex as both male and female if you like but that just further proves it's another sex all together, as for genders, it's a much broader type of identification than many think, … [view original content]
But using a gender neutral bathroom is entirely optional, you know that male only and female only bathrooms will still exist right? If a mal… moree feels they should be a female and a female feels they should be a male, it's their decision to undergo a sex change, what they do with their bodies in order to feel like who they are should be no concern to anyone(unless you're close to them I guess? But at least try to understand them).
Kennyshouldadiedins1 never said all men. I think they were implying men have done more collective wrong than transgender people throughout history and that it's merely the ideal of something many men (and women as well) can't understand that makes them seem threatening.
Besides us men are pretty fucked up sometimes, have you ever watched Lifetime?
Understand. But when making a statement, sometimes it's appropriate to understand the age old adage "broader strokes paint the fence faster." Men have done evil things, as have women, as have dogs and so on so forth.
Nevertheless, that's how I understood the original statement anyways.
And as far as the serial killer statement is concerned. Well, it's never acceptable to inflict misery upon others because of a traumatizing event that happened in one's childhood.
And the Lifetime statement was more or less a jokey question anyways. Fuck Lifetime.
What? You didn't start raping murdering and beating butch lesbians to death?
Im inclined to not believe you because thanks to this thread ive been informed better and I know gender neutral bathrooms literally open hell vortexs. Dont you try brainwashing me * insert slur for political party supporter who i blame everything on depending on how I feel that day *
The public restrooms in the place of my employ are gender neutral and we haven't had any problems. This wasn't due to any sort of progressive thinking mind you. More so because half the time, one of them is out of order.
The public restrooms in the place of my employ are gender neutral and we haven't had any problems. This wasn't due to any sort of progressive thinking mind you. More so because half the time, one of them is out of order.
"Gender" used to apply only to languages. People started using it as a substitute for "sex" in order to avoid using the word "sex" when they weren't talking about sexual relations. Like it or not, that's how it's used now, including "transgendered" instead of "transsexual."
Sex is whether you are male or female, hence the term transsexual.
Gender is a little more open and ambiguous, and it doesn't have to do … morewith your body.
I hope everyone discussing in this thread is aware of that—I haven't gone through it.
I believe the term you were looking for is "sex neutral bathrooms," not "gender neutral bathrooms," @Kenny/Lee. Please take it into consideration.
Uh-uh, "transgender" is the opposite of "cisgender," which means that your gender is in concordance with your sex. People just mistakenly use it interchangeably, when they really mean something different. A little of research could go a long way.
"Gender" used to apply only to languages. People started using it as a substitute for "sex" in order to avoid using the word "sex" when the… morey weren't talking about sexual relations. Like it or not, that's how it's used now, including "transgendered" instead of "transsexual."
You don't get to choose your biological sex but that isn't the same as gender(as it is a label that follows more social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
You still have not given multiple sources to fully back up your claims, how can I trust where you supposedly obtained your information from when I don't know where you did. As for how many intersex people I know, I don't know, I can't say which of the people I know are actually intersex and I'm not going to try to find out but currently, I don't believe any are.
Ok? I never accused you of hating them nor did I ever state they should spend tax payer's money on making special toilets for intersex individuals. At least we agree on that.
I never accused of objecting gender-neutral bathrooms...
Believe what you choose to and I'll believe what I will then which is that Intersex individuals don't fit the binary notions of male or female bodies, thus being an entirely different sex or gender.
Fair enough, I apologize if my post sounded like it was an attempt to interrogate you, my intent was to share my own opinions on the topic just as you are doing.
Uh-uh, "transgender" is the opposite of "cisgender," which means that your gender is in concordance with your sex. People just mistakenly use it interchangeably, when they really mean something different. A little of research could go a long way.
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Does't seem you can handle it .You did insult me .
Oh, my sincerest apologies. I was just being honest.
Crimes can't be prevented before they happen. This isn't Minority Report (although sometimes I wish that crime prediction really could be a reality). Men have gone into women's rooms way before these laws and raped women (although this isn't as common as fear mongers would have you believe), and these laws are unlikely to increase it. It's way too much effort since these creeps prey on women from the shadows, not out in the open, drawing attention to themselves. They certainly would be noticeable - very much so - if they were men dressed up as women. These laws will just prevent men from using the excuse that they are transgender to get away with it, since it's really easy to check to see if they really are transgender.
If it happens (and it's really doubtful, as I stated above), it definitely will be followed up by the police since this is a hot button issue right now. The police always follow up on matters that are sure to have a lot of worldwide media attention.
Yeah it's not a new thing, but with this law now they actually have an excuse to do so. It's will not be easy to check if these people are truly trans. Firstly there's now a such thing as gender fluid, secondly after the crime is committed officers will have to find the individual whom committed the crime then actually follow up and prove that this individual is not in fact trans. Which again how do you actually prove someone is trans? All trans people don't have therapist, neighbors of this trans person may not know they are trans, basically all trans people don't have a written record of them being trans, plus a lot of them refuse to get surgery to look like the gender they identify as. So are we suppose to just take their word for it? To say it will be easy to actually track who's trans or not is a ludicrous statement.
Rape is also a hot button topic, but hundreds of thousands of rape kits go untested in the USA and rapist get away. If law enforcement now don't take the time to test rape kits, what makes you think they'll go through even more work to try and prove an individual is trans? Do you not see how this law can be abused? By someone just saying they are trans they'll have easy access to little girls and their mothers. If and when the culprit is caught, law enforcement will then have to prove that this perv is not trans. Rape isn't always the issue, peeping is also. I'm sorry, I don't want a grown man to have access to a restroom little girls can be using just by saying he's trans. Now they can't just arrest the perv. They'll have to prove he's not trans and there was no peeping involved; let's also not forget some trans women are still attracted to women.
Exactly my point, they still look like men. If they didn't people wouldn't even notice they were trans and could walk in the female restroom with no problems like Janet Mock.
The first picture makes my boner confused
I think people being transgender is their choice...but I don't think we should 'support' it. It's a disability.
I mostly agree with you.
Claps.
Nah, not with it.
We have had family restrooms for years....how many times has a transgender person assaulted a woman or a man? Less than .001. More likely a "normal" man has been guilty of some crap. So let's stop with this indignant ranting about being against transgender people using the restroom.
And what of women who "look like men" like the women who I posted about above who got prevented by men from using the bathroom? They don't deserve to be harassed any more than the transgender women in those articles deserve to be harassed.
That's the problem when you institute rules that prevent people from using the bathrooms, you just cause more trouble and cause fear for no reason. There's no one look for women. Some women even have beards, as there are conditions that cause that such as polycystic ovary syndrome. If you institute rules that keep people out of the bathrooms you're just going to lead to more harassment of not just transgender women, but women who don't fit the traditional gender role as well.
The public restrooms in the place of my employ are gender neutral and we haven't had any problems. This wasn't due to any sort of progressive thinking mind you. More so because half the time, one of them is out of order.
Even if someone is gender fluid, friends, family members, therapists and/or employers would know. If there's no history, then it's a simple case. Besides, you ignored my point that this is very unlikely to happen. Predators prefer to be in the shadows. They don't make themselves known by going out in public wearing clothes of the opposite sex (which would be very obvious if they weren't transgender, as transgender people have years of experience "passing", and someone that didn't have that experience would stick out like a sore thumb).
Transgender women don't go in there to peep any more than lesbian women do. They just go in there to do their business and leave. Women have also preyed on other women, and women can also be attracted to women. Should we ban all lesbian women from using women's facilities as well? Because, if you want to worry about things that might happen, you might as well ban lesbian women as well. That's just as likely to happen, since there has never been a case of a transgender person harassing someone in restrooms or change rooms.
The point though is, this is beyond a hot button topic. You honestly think that if someone actually did abuse this law (which is really, really unlikely, like I said before), there wouldn't be a worldwide media circus surrounding it?
But using a gender neutral bathroom is entirely optional, you know that male only and female only bathrooms will still exist right? If a male feels they should be a female and a female feels they should be a male, it's their decision to undergo a sex change, what they do with their bodies in order to feel like who they are should be no concern to anyone(unless you're close to them I guess? But at least try to understand them).
Personally, I think people would more so benefit in learning to love themselves, be who they are and not change just because of the way society treats them but it's difficult for allot of people as even now a feminine male and a masculine female are still made fun of for not acting like the gender stereotype. I believe there are some stories where people change their sex because people didn't accept their femininity or masculinity and some stories where they just didn't feel right in their body, really no one else can tell someone if they're comfortable in their own body, only the person in that body knows that and if they decide to change it, they have every right to regardless of other peoples' opinions but I personally feel saddened by that, saddened to see someone change who they are rather than learning to love who they are but that's just me and I'm not trying to say it's wrong not to love yourself, it's my own point of view. As for Transgender, Unisex people exist and if people want to call others Transgender or if people who have transitioned etc. prefer to call themselves that, then I personally don't see a problem with it. I agree, no one should encourage someone to change who they are, although that's rather hypocritical of me as I would be one to encourage my friends if they decided to change their hair color if they liked the color or if they wanted a tattoo or if they wanted to lose weight or get a bit bulkier.
There's a difference between surgery to change your species and surgery to change your biological sex though, if we go technical, then males and females are all the same - humans, the only difference between sexes is really our genitalia, the ability to give birth and whether our breasts produce milk :x(Even then there are some women who can't produce milk, some that are infertile, I believe there are cases of males getting pregnant and male lactation is also a thing, include the fact that there are Inter-sex people who exist, there's not that many differences between male or female, there are more differences in personalities). Again, there's a huge difference between wanting to be a dolphin and wanting to be the opposite biological sex, as being a dolphin wouldn't require changing your genitals, it would require changing your entire way of living, the shape and size of your body and allot of your organs, your physical appearance and to truly be a dolphin, you'd have to live, eat and breath like they do.
How is it a disability to be Trans-gendered?
That would be pretty scary x.x
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You don't get to choose your sex. That's the whole point.
That's like...just your opinion, man.
Kennyshouldadiedins1 never said all men. I think they were implying men have done more collective wrong than transgender people throughout history and that it's merely the ideal of something many men (and women as well) can't understand that makes them seem threatening.
Besides us men are pretty fucked up sometimes, have you ever watched Lifetime?
Understand. But when making a statement, sometimes it's appropriate to understand the age old adage "broader strokes paint the fence faster." Men have done evil things, as have women, as have dogs and so on so forth.
Nevertheless, that's how I understood the original statement anyways.
And as far as the serial killer statement is concerned. Well, it's never acceptable to inflict misery upon others because of a traumatizing event that happened in one's childhood.
And the Lifetime statement was more or less a jokey question anyways. Fuck Lifetime.
What? You didn't start raping murdering and beating butch lesbians to death?
Im inclined to not believe you because thanks to this thread ive been informed better and I know gender neutral bathrooms literally open hell vortexs. Dont you try brainwashing me * insert slur for political party supporter who i blame everything on depending on how I feel that day *
How is it not?
Well, I think Mrs. Jenner would beg to differ.
Sex is whether you are male or female, hence the term transsexual.
Gender is a little more open and ambiguous, and it doesn't have to do with your body.
I hope everyone discussing in this thread is aware of that—I haven't gone through it.
I believe the term you were looking for is "sex neutral bathrooms," not "gender neutral bathrooms," @Kenny/Lee. Please take it into consideration.
Degeneracy! Rape! Anarchy! Deus vult!
Bruce*
And yet again, I think Jenner would disagree.
Non No bis domine?
"Gender" used to apply only to languages. People started using it as a substitute for "sex" in order to avoid using the word "sex" when they weren't talking about sexual relations. Like it or not, that's how it's used now, including "transgendered" instead of "transsexual."
Uh-uh, "transgender" is the opposite of "cisgender," which means that your gender is in concordance with your sex. People just mistakenly use it interchangeably, when they really mean something different. A little of research could go a long way.
Romanes eunt domus!
disability
dɪsəˈbɪlɪti/Submit
noun
noun: disability; plural noun: disabilities
1.
a physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities.
"children with severe physical disabilities"
2.
a disadvantage or handicap, especially one imposed or recognized by the law.
"the plaintiff was under a disability"
Please feel free to explain how being Trans-gendered fits in with the definition of a disability.
You don't get to choose your biological sex but that isn't the same as gender(as it is a label that follows more social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
You still have not given multiple sources to fully back up your claims, how can I trust where you supposedly obtained your information from when I don't know where you did. As for how many intersex people I know, I don't know, I can't say which of the people I know are actually intersex and I'm not going to try to find out but currently, I don't believe any are.
Ok? I never accused you of hating them nor did I ever state they should spend tax payer's money on making special toilets for intersex individuals. At least we agree on that.
I never accused of objecting gender-neutral bathrooms...
Believe what you choose to and I'll believe what I will then which is that Intersex individuals don't fit the binary notions of male or female bodies, thus being an entirely different sex or gender.
Fair enough, I apologize if my post sounded like it was an attempt to interrogate you, my intent was to share my own opinions on the topic just as you are doing.
Way to cissexfully explain it.
...and I'm out.