Choosing someone because they're less of a "liability" (physicial in this case) is Crawford style.
No its isnt.... Crawford flat out refused to allow anyone weak, that different to prioritizing someone who is more useful
Yeah maybe, I just dont know, she never seemed to cope when her father was not there. In episode 2 she freaks out when he leaves, in episode 3 she freaks out when he is taken away. Both times she only gets any better when he comes back. Im still not convinced she would have ever recovered.
I think everybody has untapped potential. Sarah could learn, she just needed time. To be fair, training her to survive right after her fathe… morer died, (which she knew, but was in denial about) wasn't exactly the best situation. However, if the crew had trained Sarah some time were she could cope, I feel like she could become extremely useful. As I said, everyone has untapped potential, it just needs a spark.
It would probably be more fruitful to both you and the other two people if you replied that you believe their arguments are utter shit, and explained why you think that, instead of being passive-aggressive by referring to them without actually addressing them. Then they could explain why they would choose Arvo over Sarah, and they will either consider your perspective on the matter; both of you will reach an agreement; or, at the very least, you will have gained some insight on why some feel that way, and they will have gained some on why you feel this way about Arvo and Sarah.
Just my two cents, though.
By the way, I am not stalking you. Some days some people's comments seem to have a lot more repliability than others, and you are today's—un—fortunate.
I'm far from ever becoming a fan of Sarah, but I'd still pick her a hundred times over Arvo. Sarah, while a liability and for me, at times, slightly annoying, was still a very clear-cut decent human being, one without ever having intentions to actually inflict pain on another. I mean, she knew little to nothing about Clementine when they first meet, yet was still willing to help her, simply because she knew it was the right thing to do.That trait alone makes her far more deserving to be saved than that of Arvo- the individual responsible for attempting to murder an 11 year old child.
Calling Sarah a poor defensless 'little' girl (she's 15) doesn't help your point that she's less of a liability.
Anyways Sarah is troublemaker too.
Sorry, that just gave me the impression you agreed with the sentiment that she is a liability. And calling someone a defenseless little girl is not exactly the same as a liability, Clementine was a defenseless little girl before Lee showed her how to shoot, but she was still plenty useful.
That's bullshit. Reggie was such a coward lying piece of shit. He tried to make us think Carver is a good guy. His arm wasn't even amputated to be rescued, it was for punishment. He didn't help Sarah help with her chores when they had a lot of time. He caused his own death.
Err..... If you listen to what Reggie says, he mentions that a lurker bit him while he was hammering something, but Mike took the arm off to prevent him from dying. He was right about the fact that Carver has a nice setup, but he wasn't exactly calling him a good person. How was he supposed to convince Sarah to do her work, especially when they basically just met? From my understanding, Reggie tried to get her to do her work and that's why he asked Clementine, a person
Sarah trusts, to help. The reason why he left in the first place is because he had to run and do errands, he was just supposed to get them started on their work. There wasn't a lot that he could do.
Though I do agree that she definitely didn't cause Reggie or Sarita's death
Caused the deaths of Reggie and Sarita.
That's bullshit. Reggie was such a coward lying piece of shit. He tried to make us think Car… morever is a good guy. His arm wasn't even amputated to be rescued, it was for punishment. He didn't help Sarah help with her chores when they had a lot of time. He caused his own death.
Sarita? Are you kidding me? The escape plan was the worst idea I've ever heard. Instead of staying in a safe place with people protecting the place, the group risked its own neck going through a herd of walkers where there were gunshots everywhere. This is how the group fall apart. Sarah had nothing to do with this. Everyone who blames Sarah for Sarita's death should just... fuck off. Carlos was shot by Carver's men, did Sarah order them to? The group would have been killed at any minute. Sarah didn't kill anyone, did she even want to?
There are other ways to attack people for their opinions that aren't "Go fuck yourself". There's shit like questioning them for their opinio… morens and calling them stupid and saying their reasons are stupid. They don't need to justify how they feel about Arvo, dude.
I'm far from ever becoming a fan of Sarah, but I'd still pick her a hundred times over Arvo. Sarah, while a liability and for me, at times, … moreslightly annoying, was still a very clear-cut decent human being, one without ever having intentions to actually inflict pain on another. I mean, she knew little to nothing about Clementine when they first meet, yet was still willing to help her, simply because she knew it was the right thing to do.That trait alone makes her far more deserving to be saved than that of Arvo- the individual responsible for attempting to murder an 11 year old child.
EDIT: Tidied it up.
It would be nice if we got a choice that instead forces you to pick between A & B, also gave you the option to choose both or neither, a… moredds some complexity in my opinion.
Hijacking this comment in three, two…
Going along the topic of new dynamics of determinant characters, I would like it if only a determinant character has the ability of saving another character sometime later in the game. For example, we have Janey and Rich, and the protagonist can only save one, and the other dies. An episode later, Janey and Rich, who now cannot be in the same gameplay together, are in a situation where only they can save, let's say, Larry. If you have Janey with you, she will be able to save Larry successfully, whereas, if you have Rich with you, he will miss his shot, killing Larry instead, leading him to sink into depression.
They can kill Janey and Rich afterwards for all we care, but after they die, the choice that you made will still have an impact—Larry's fate.
Though I do agree that she definitely didn't cause Reggie or Sarita's death
I have sympathy for Sarah. She was feeling low/depressed after her dad slapped her and wasn't focusing on her task which resorted to Carver killing Reggie. Reggie though should have been helping her or keeping an eye on her instead of relying on another little girl (Clem). I can't blame Sarah for screaming at seeing her dad get devoured in front of her, i think any normal person would do the same and let their emotions take over. Sarita's and Reggie's deaths are definitely "indirectly" caused by Sarah though but at the same time however, the whole blame was not soley on her and i think we can all agree on that.
That's bullshit. Reggie was such a coward lying piece of shit. He tried to make us think Carver is a good guy. His arm wasn't even amputated… more to be rescued, it was for punishment. He didn't help Sarah help with her chores when they had a lot of time. He caused his own death.
Err..... If you listen to what Reggie says, he mentions that a lurker bit him while he was hammering something, but Mike took the arm off to prevent him from dying. He was right about the fact that Carver has a nice setup, but he wasn't exactly calling him a good person. How was he supposed to convince Sarah to do her work, especially when they basically just met? From my understanding, Reggie tried to get her to do her work and that's why he asked Clementine, a person
Sarah trusts, to help. The reason why he left in the first place is because he had to run and do errands, he was just supposed to get them started on their work. There wasn't a lot that he could do.
Though I do agree that she definitely didn't cause Reggie or Sarita's death
Please don't antagonize me for my choice. I understand that Arvo is disliked among the fans, but I don't have to backup my liking for him with paragraphs.
he has a leg brace and a bad limp, which is a pretty major disability. he also doesn't speak a whole lot of english, i think i could count t… morehat as a disability, especially in the setting that the game is in. i don't blame you for not remembering though, since his physical disability wasn't exactly explored on.
(sorry if this comes out as passive-aggressive, i didn't know exactly how to word this.)
@ Auruo
I almost choked on my own laughs just now, if thats even possible. What scene from the game iis that?
Also, if you like Arvo, then you'll probably enjoy this.
You know, I'd hate to help continue this chain of arguments but here's my two cents:
Reggie is unfortunately a number of things:
1. Sarah and Clementine ultimately are the key to Reggie's death because either Sarah was too distracted/afraid of messing up to get much of it done properly or Clementine spends too much time guiding Sarah (technically Reggie's job, but ah) to do her own work. That much is true.
2. Carver had it out for Reggie to begin with; even Reggie admits this. Although, you can also say Reggie should have kept this in mind, considering he actually noticed Sarah's depression when they started and asked Clementine about it. Unforunately, fear can also be selfish and Reggie was definitely a little selfish in his endeavor to get back in Carver's 'good' grace, even if he didn't mean to be.
3. Blame Sarah or not, it was technically Reggie's job to make sure the work got done: remember, while he did have his own work to do, he was in charge of the whole operation. As ruthless as Carver is, he should've/would've been willing to ease up on Reggie if his work wasn't completely finished yet, considering the one arm and all.
4. Carver was only supposed to be checking in on how the girls were working out at the time; he killed Reggie because he felt like it/wanted to. He was always looking for an opportunity to get rid of Reggie; Sarah just gave him a convenient excuse(seriously, who kills somebody over some freakin berries). Even Hank seemed to have known that he was never planning on letting Reggie back in.
And, as I found out by rewatching the cutscenes recently, Carver also used Reggie's murder to intimidate Sarah specifically, as he looks directly at her when he explains that weakness (and incompetence in doing what she's asked to) won't be tolerated. On a side note, its also where some of my initial ideas about Sarah's character arc was officially validated, but this isn't about me so moving on....
So, in a way, yes, Sarah was a part of it but, at the same time, it wasn't really her fault. It was all of their faults, really.
Sarita is a much more valid case, I'll give you that. Sarah lost it when Carlos chomped, causing walkers to home in on her location. Though she was able to gradually quiet herself down while mourning him, she still nearly got herself grabbed by one* before* then but Sarita (who's a lot faster with an axe than you'd think) quickly sliced through it's head, though Clementine could have also done something if she were quick. Everyone else were also fighting walkers at that point so the violence wasn't exactly localized. And finally, ten or so seconds later, Sarita got herself bitten: the angle of the bite and the pose she was in suggests that she was slicing around like a psycho and the walker either grabbed her as she swerved by or she may have even swung her free arm right into its mouth(which is kinda hilarious from a dark point of view).
Its worth noting (if you care for trivia) that Carlos getting shot was not only the cause, but originally, Sarah wasn't the only one who (vocally) reacted. Unused/muffled voice clips have Jane and Rebecca express contrasting suggestions about Sarah running off, Bonnie yells at Taavia to stop, Luke yells for Sarah and tells everyone that they have to run, Kenny calls for Rebecca and Mike, Rebecca and Mike copies Luke in regards to Carlos, Sarita and Kenny call for one another, and Jane eventually just tells everyone to go. Jane and Rebecca even mention in Amid the Ruins that everyone panicked. Plus Carlos getting chomped understandably caused him to also start screaming.
This would be SUCH a tough choice if it were in the game. Both are relatively young, have people they cared and loved shot before their eyes... Sarah was sheltered and naive, while Arvo was caught in a bad situation AND could potentially have his medicine stolen by that bitch, Jane.
I don't know, whoever I'd choose would be a heat-of-the-moment decision. It's not one I could make right here and now.
Ooh, one that makes me wannna think! This should be fun.
In the game proper, Sarah and Arvo never actually met, so that loses a bit of credence. However, assuming Arvo hasn't shot Clementine yet, Sarah would be my top priority (friends and teacher/student and all that), but then I'd at least try to save Arvo after she's safe. If he's simply bitten, he swift chop of an axe should deal with that (not saying I want to; that'd be repulsive).
If he has shot Clementine, however, I'd most likely hesitate but still consider it after weighing my options for a sec. That would mean Sarah would have to be alive, though.
In your theorized universe(great job on that, by the way), it'd still most likely be Sarah if I think she can't handle it alone. Arvo, on the otherhand, would be the priority if Sarah can handle herself fine, since he can't exactly protect himself. He would also be a strategic advantage, though: we could use him in a [positive] hostage deal. So, Sarah and then an attempt at Arvo.
oh hi! i read your analysis on Arvo, and it's amazing! like i said to TWDazehnuu, it's pretty easy to forget! it's a shame that telltale never explored Arvo's disability and how it got there in the first place.
@Chromid
Damn. I forgot to take that into account.
Honestly, the fact that he seemed to be the only one who could speak consistently coherent English is probably a part of it.
Ooh, one that makes me wannna think! This should be fun.
In the game proper, Sarah and Arvo never actually met, so that loses a bit of cr… moreedence. However, assuming Arvo hasn't shot Clementine yet, Sarah would be my top priority (friends and teacher/student and all that), but then I'd at least try to save Arvo after she's safe. If he's simply bitten, he swift chop of an axe should deal with that (not saying I want to; that'd be repulsive).
If he has shot Clementine, however, I'd most likely hesitate but still consider it after weighing my options for a sec. That would mean Sarah would have to be alive, though.
In your theorized universe(great job on that, by the way), it'd still most likely be Sarah if I think she can't handle it alone. Arvo, on the otherhand, would be the priority if Sarah can handle herself fine, since he can't exactly protect himself. He would also be a strategic advantage, though: we could use him in a [positive] hostage deal. So, Sarah and then an attempt at Arvo.
It's when Clementine is smearing walker guts on herself; Sarah is in the background. (Around the end of s2e3.)
I read that analysis earlier, it's very interesting! c:
As much as I dislike Sarah, I would rather save her than that piece of shit commie Arvo who lead the group into an ambush and shot Clem in the shoulder for no reason at all
Why do you dislike her? She's just a frightened kid with psycological problems, she didn't hurt anyone in purpose! Or it's her fault to have a panick attack when watching her father being brutaly devoured in front of her eyes?
that piece of shit commie Arvo
Eh! But comunism is good! (better than capitalism at least)
who lead the group into an ambush and shot Clem in the shoulder for no reason at all
Actually, acording with the translations of his and his friends dialogs, Arvo and Natasha (cuz she's russian and a girl what other name could she have cuz the only russian female name seems to be Natasha! SHIT!) didn't want to attack, Buriko/Vitali (how original, a russian guy called Vitali), I don't remember which of them, was neutral, and the other one was the one that pushed the group in the fight. Arvo was the only one to speak enough english to have a conversation so he translated everything his people said, no everything was what he thought. I can't forgive him for shooting Clem, I'll give you that, but she was calling Kenny (the guy that constantly bullied him for no reason) and Jane (the one that caused this Buriko/Vitali guy to push his group to the fight and caused Natasha to die), he was a frightened kid, the girl that "killed" his sister was right there to get him killed, he had the finger in the trigger ad BANG! I think he acted out of fear more than... anything else you could think of. Revege? idk.
You have to know better someone before judjing them.
(please don't start an argument cuz those argumens always end up bad and I don't wanna get banned please don't kill me TT_TT)
(aaaaaaaaand sorry for my bad english please forgive me please)
As much as I dislike Sarah, I would rather save her than that piece of shit commie Arvo who lead the group into an ambush and shot Clem in the shoulder for no reason at all
As much as I dislike Sarah, I would rather save her than that piece of shit commie Arvo who lead the group into an ambush and shot Clem in the shoulder for no reason at all
Eh! But comunism is good! (better than capitalism at least)
I strongly disagree, but i'm not going to get into a political debate here. Its the wrong thread for it
Why do you dislike her? She's just a frightened kid with psycological problems, she didn't hurt anyone in purpose! Or it's her fault to have a panick attack when watching her father being brutaly devoured in front of her eyes?
I'm not faulting her for panicking after seeing her father devoured, anyone would be upset seeing that. What i'm saying is that I got annoyed with her freaking out over every little thing that happens, which I guess is partly Carlos' fault since he had been sheltering her.
To be clear, I don't have any issues with people with psychological problems, but Sarah was a liability, however harsh that may sound.
Actually, acording with the translations of his and his friends dialogs, Arvo and Natasha (cuz she's russian and a girl what other name could she have cuz the only russian female name seems to be Natasha! SHIT!) didn't want to attack, Buriko/Vitali (how original, a russian guy called Vitali), I don't remember which of them, was neutral, and the other one was the one that pushed the group in the fight. Arvo was the only one to speak enough english to have a conversation so he translated everything his people said, no everything was what he thought. I can't forgive him for shooting Clem, I'll give you that, but she was calling Kenny (the guy that constantly bullied him for no reason) and Jane (the one that caused this Buriko/Vitali guy to push his group to the fight and caused Natasha to die), he was a frightened kid, the girl that "killed" his sister was right there to get him killed, he had the finger in the trigger ad BANG! I think he acted out of fear more than... anything else you could think of. Revege? idk.
I understand that Arvo didn't want bullets to start flying, but he still tricked the group by saying he needed help, with clear intent to allow his group to take their supplies. You may have a point about him possibly acting out of fear, but he was still clearly hostile towards Clem since the beginning of the episode, after she shot his sister, even though she was already dead and turned into a walker
As much as I dislike Sarah
Why do you dislike her? She's just a frightened kid with psycological problems, she didn't hurt anyone in… more purpose! Or it's her fault to have a panick attack when watching her father being brutaly devoured in front of her eyes?
that piece of shit commie Arvo
Eh! But comunism is good! (better than capitalism at least)
who lead the group into an ambush and shot Clem in the shoulder for no reason at all
Actually, acording with the translations of his and his friends dialogs, Arvo and Natasha (cuz she's russian and a girl what other name could she have cuz the only russian female name seems to be Natasha! SHIT!) didn't want to attack, Buriko/Vitali (how original, a russian guy called Vitali), I don't remember which of them, was neutral, and the other one was the one that pushed the group in the fight. Arvo was the only one to speak enough english to have a conversation so he translated… [view original content]
I know I'm late in replying to this but I'd say he's the most overrated, hated character; there are a lot of misunderstood characters so I don't know if he is the most.
I understand that Arvo didn't want bullets to start flying, but he still tricked the group by saying he needed help, with clear intent to allow his group to take their supplies. You may have a point about him possibly acting out of fear, but he was still clearly hostile towards Clem since the beginning of the episode, after she shot his sister, even though she was already dead and turned into a walker
Actually, translations reveal that it was Buricko's idea to rob the group for whatever reason. The ambush scene has quite a few little variations on it, depending on if you agreed to take the meds and what you say to Kenny and Luke. Going by memory a bit here, Arvo is far more [faux] affable if you agreed with Jane, his sister and the others quietly reveal themselves if you tell Luke that he might be mad at you, and while his attitude after the reveal that Buricko ordered Arvo to have you surrender varies just a little, he seems to have scruples about outright robbing you and even admits that he wishes things could've been different if you didn't steal.
The mess with his sister was a minefield to begin with, but unfortunately, I don't think he would've forgiven Clementine even if she did explain that Natasha turned. After all, steal or no steal, she was technically the reason this mess started, with Jane being the true aggressor, so he isn't really inclined to hear her out. At best, his anger would mostly shift from her to Kenny, but the flimsy trust they may have had before would be gone now and Clementine would have the baggage of being just as powerless to stop that fight as he was.
Eh! But comunism is good! (better than capitalism at least)
I strongly disagree, but i'm not going to get into a political debate he… morere. Its the wrong thread for it
Why do you dislike her? She's just a frightened kid with psycological problems, she didn't hurt anyone in purpose! Or it's her fault to have a panick attack when watching her father being brutaly devoured in front of her eyes?
I'm not faulting her for panicking after seeing her father devoured, anyone would be upset seeing that. What i'm saying is that I got annoyed with her freaking out over every little thing that happens, which I guess is partly Carlos' fault since he had been sheltering her.
To be clear, I don't have any issues with people with psychological problems, but Sarah was a liability, however harsh that may sound.
Actually, acording with the translations of his and his friends dialogs, Arvo and Natasha (cuz she's russian and a girl what … [view original content]
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That's true, but still in a way wrong.
I don't know![:\](https://community.telltalegames.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Yeah maybe, I just dont know, she never seemed to cope when her father was not there. In episode 2 she freaks out when he leaves, in episode 3 she freaks out when he is taken away. Both times she only gets any better when he comes back. Im still not convinced she would have ever recovered.
It would probably be more fruitful to both you and the other two people if you replied that you believe their arguments are utter shit, and explained why you think that, instead of being passive-aggressive by referring to them without actually addressing them. Then they could explain why they would choose Arvo over Sarah, and they will either consider your perspective on the matter; both of you will reach an agreement; or, at the very least, you will have gained some insight on why some feel that way, and they will have gained some on why you feel this way about Arvo and Sarah.
Just my two cents, though.
By the way, I am not stalking you. Some days some people's comments seem to have a lot more repliability than others, and you are today's—un—fortunate.
I'm far from ever becoming a fan of Sarah, but I'd still pick her a hundred times over Arvo. Sarah, while a liability and for me, at times, slightly annoying, was still a very clear-cut decent human being, one without ever having intentions to actually inflict pain on another. I mean, she knew little to nothing about Clementine when they first meet, yet was still willing to help her, simply because she knew it was the right thing to do.That trait alone makes her far more deserving to be saved than that of Arvo- the individual responsible for attempting to murder an 11 year old child.
EDIT: Tidied it up.
I didn't either
Sorry, that just gave me the impression you agreed with the sentiment that she is a liability. And calling someone a defenseless little girl is not exactly the same as a liability, Clementine was a defenseless little girl before Lee showed her how to shoot, but she was still plenty useful.
Are you kidding me? You're lashing out at everyone on this thread who picks Arvo. Enough is enough, man. Let people have their own opinion.
Err..... If you listen to what Reggie says, he mentions that a lurker bit him while he was hammering something, but Mike took the arm off to prevent him from dying. He was right about the fact that Carver has a nice setup, but he wasn't exactly calling him a good person. How was he supposed to convince Sarah to do her work, especially when they basically just met? From my understanding, Reggie tried to get her to do her work and that's why he asked Clementine, a person
Sarah trusts, to help. The reason why he left in the first place is because he had to run and do errands, he was just supposed to get them started on their work. There wasn't a lot that he could do.
Though I do agree that she definitely didn't cause Reggie or Sarita's death
I don't really care too much for either of them. But i'd choose Sarah over Arvo in a heartbeat.
@AronDracula and @ClemyClooAndBabyboo can you pause for a sec? I wanna go get the popcorn.
Exactly
That would certainly be an interesting way to go about it
This argument finished like hours ago, dude. XD
Aww, I missed all the fun
I have sympathy for Sarah. She was feeling low/depressed after her dad slapped her and wasn't focusing on her task which resorted to Carver killing Reggie. Reggie though should have been helping her or keeping an eye on her instead of relying on another little girl (Clem). I can't blame Sarah for screaming at seeing her dad get devoured in front of her, i think any normal person would do the same and let their emotions take over. Sarita's and Reggie's deaths are definitely "indirectly" caused by Sarah though but at the same time however, the whole blame was not soley on her and i think we can all agree on that.
@ Auruo
I almost choked on my own laughs just now, if thats even possible. What scene from the game iis that?
Also, if you like Arvo, then you'll probably enjoy this.
@Chromid
Damn. I forgot to take that into account.
Honestly, the fact that he seemed to be the only one who could speak consistently coherent English is probably a part of it.
Why someone would save Arvo?
Why would I save a fucking piece of shit that shot Clem and left her to die in the snow even when that wasn't necesary?
It's when Clementine is smearing walker guts on herself; Sarah is in the background. (Around the end of s2e3.)
I read that analysis earlier, it's very interesting! c:
You know, I'd hate to help continue this chain of arguments but here's my two cents:
Reggie is unfortunately a number of things:
1. Sarah and Clementine ultimately are the key to Reggie's death because either Sarah was too distracted/afraid of messing up to get much of it done properly or Clementine spends too much time guiding Sarah (technically Reggie's job, but ah) to do her own work. That much is true.
2. Carver had it out for Reggie to begin with; even Reggie admits this. Although, you can also say Reggie should have kept this in mind, considering he actually noticed Sarah's depression when they started and asked Clementine about it. Unforunately, fear can also be selfish and Reggie was definitely a little selfish in his endeavor to get back in Carver's 'good' grace, even if he didn't mean to be.
3. Blame Sarah or not, it was technically Reggie's job to make sure the work got done: remember, while he did have his own work to do, he was in charge of the whole operation. As ruthless as Carver is, he should've/would've been willing to ease up on Reggie if his work wasn't completely finished yet, considering the one arm and all.
4. Carver was only supposed to be checking in on how the girls were working out at the time; he killed Reggie because he felt like it/wanted to. He was always looking for an opportunity to get rid of Reggie; Sarah just gave him a convenient excuse(seriously, who kills somebody over some freakin berries). Even Hank seemed to have known that he was never planning on letting Reggie back in.
And, as I found out by rewatching the cutscenes recently, Carver also used Reggie's murder to intimidate Sarah specifically, as he looks directly at her when he explains that weakness (and incompetence in doing what she's asked to) won't be tolerated. On a side note, its also where some of my initial ideas about Sarah's character arc was officially validated, but this isn't about me so moving on....
So, in a way, yes, Sarah was a part of it but, at the same time, it wasn't really her fault. It was all of their faults, really.
Sarita is a much more valid case, I'll give you that. Sarah lost it when Carlos chomped, causing walkers to home in on her location. Though she was able to gradually quiet herself down while mourning him, she still nearly got herself grabbed by one* before* then but Sarita (who's a lot faster with an axe than you'd think) quickly sliced through it's head, though Clementine could have also done something if she were quick. Everyone else were also fighting walkers at that point so the violence wasn't exactly localized. And finally, ten or so seconds later, Sarita got herself bitten: the angle of the bite and the pose she was in suggests that she was slicing around like a psycho and the walker either grabbed her as she swerved by or she may have even swung her free arm right into its mouth(which is kinda hilarious from a dark point of view).
Its worth noting (if you care for trivia) that Carlos getting shot was not only the cause, but originally, Sarah wasn't the only one who (vocally) reacted. Unused/muffled voice clips have Jane and Rebecca express contrasting suggestions about Sarah running off, Bonnie yells at Taavia to stop, Luke yells for Sarah and tells everyone that they have to run, Kenny calls for Rebecca and Mike, Rebecca and Mike copies Luke in regards to Carlos, Sarita and Kenny call for one another, and Jane eventually just tells everyone to go. Jane and Rebecca even mention in Amid the Ruins that everyone panicked. Plus Carlos getting chomped understandably caused him to also start screaming.
This would be SUCH a tough choice if it were in the game. Both are relatively young, have people they cared and loved shot before their eyes... Sarah was sheltered and naive, while Arvo was caught in a bad situation AND could potentially have his medicine stolen by that bitch, Jane.
I don't know, whoever I'd choose would be a heat-of-the-moment decision. It's not one I could make right here and now.
Ooh, one that makes me wannna think! This should be fun.
In the game proper, Sarah and Arvo never actually met, so that loses a bit of credence. However, assuming Arvo hasn't shot Clementine yet, Sarah would be my top priority (friends and teacher/student and all that), but then I'd at least try to save Arvo after she's safe. If he's simply bitten, he swift chop of an axe should deal with that (not saying I want to; that'd be repulsive).
If he has shot Clementine, however, I'd most likely hesitate but still consider it after weighing my options for a sec. That would mean Sarah would have to be alive, though.
In your theorized universe(great job on that, by the way), it'd still most likely be Sarah if I think she can't handle it alone. Arvo, on the otherhand, would be the priority if Sarah can handle herself fine, since he can't exactly protect himself. He would also be a strategic advantage, though: we could use him in a [positive] hostage deal. So, Sarah and then an attempt at Arvo.
oh hi! i read your analysis on Arvo, and it's amazing! like i said to TWDazehnuu, it's pretty easy to forget! it's a shame that telltale never explored Arvo's disability and how it got there in the first place.
Sarah.
Sarah is so much better than Arvo.
Thanks
(doubly so for considering the situation too)
Thanks. Can't believe I forgot about that.
Also, no I'm not late in replying to this, why do you ask?
Sarah is better than shitbird Arvo.
Yer welcome, love/mate!
No, this reply isn't late, why do you ask?
Of course I would choose Sarah.
Exactly my thoughts...
As much as I dislike Sarah, I would rather save her than that piece of shit commie Arvo who lead the group into an ambush and shot Clem in the shoulder for no reason at all
Why do you dislike her? She's just a frightened kid with psycological problems, she didn't hurt anyone in purpose! Or it's her fault to have a panick attack when watching her father being brutaly devoured in front of her eyes?
Eh! But comunism is good! (better than capitalism at least)
Actually, acording with the translations of his and his friends dialogs, Arvo and Natasha (cuz she's russian and a girl what other name could she have cuz the only russian female name seems to be Natasha! SHIT!) didn't want to attack, Buriko/Vitali (how original, a russian guy called Vitali), I don't remember which of them, was neutral, and the other one was the one that pushed the group in the fight. Arvo was the only one to speak enough english to have a conversation so he translated everything his people said, no everything was what he thought. I can't forgive him for shooting Clem, I'll give you that, but she was calling Kenny (the guy that constantly bullied him for no reason) and Jane (the one that caused this Buriko/Vitali guy to push his group to the fight and caused Natasha to die), he was a frightened kid, the girl that "killed" his sister was right there to get him killed, he had the finger in the trigger ad BANG! I think he acted out of fear more than... anything else you could think of. Revege? idk.
You have to know better someone before judjing them.
(please don't start an argument cuz those argumens always end up bad and I don't wanna get banned please don't kill me TT_TT)
(aaaaaaaaand sorry for my bad english please forgive me please)
Yeaaah, I'm just gonna go ahead and plug this here for both of you. I think you'll both find something 'enlightening'.
Feel free to comment, question, or add your own example.
Arvo is the only choice
gitmadsuckaz
Care to explain, love/mate?
...No, really, I'm lacking your context here.
He's the most underrated, hated and misunderstood character.
I strongly disagree, but i'm not going to get into a political debate here. Its the wrong thread for it
I'm not faulting her for panicking after seeing her father devoured, anyone would be upset seeing that. What i'm saying is that I got annoyed with her freaking out over every little thing that happens, which I guess is partly Carlos' fault since he had been sheltering her.
To be clear, I don't have any issues with people with psychological problems, but Sarah was a liability, however harsh that may sound.
I understand that Arvo didn't want bullets to start flying, but he still tricked the group by saying he needed help, with clear intent to allow his group to take their supplies. You may have a point about him possibly acting out of fear, but he was still clearly hostile towards Clem since the beginning of the episode, after she shot his sister, even though she was already dead and turned into a walker
I know I'm late in replying to this but I'd say he's the most overrated, hated character; there are a lot of misunderstood characters so I don't know if he is the most.
Actually, translations reveal that it was Buricko's idea to rob the group for whatever reason. The ambush scene has quite a few little variations on it, depending on if you agreed to take the meds and what you say to Kenny and Luke. Going by memory a bit here, Arvo is far more [faux] affable if you agreed with Jane, his sister and the others quietly reveal themselves if you tell Luke that he might be mad at you, and while his attitude after the reveal that Buricko ordered Arvo to have you surrender varies just a little, he seems to have scruples about outright robbing you and even admits that he wishes things could've been different if you didn't steal.
The mess with his sister was a minefield to begin with, but unfortunately, I don't think he would've forgiven Clementine even if she did explain that Natasha turned. After all, steal or no steal, she was technically the reason this mess started, with Jane being the true aggressor, so he isn't really inclined to hear her out. At best, his anger would mostly shift from her to Kenny, but the flimsy trust they may have had before would be gone now and Clementine would have the baggage of being just as powerless to stop that fight as he was.