the confederation between Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic is real
It is as real as those pseudostates are real, meaning that they exist and can only sustain themselves with Russian military and monetary support.
despite what the war criminals in Kiev
Lol. "War criminals", eh? Tell me more. But, before you do, indulge me a bit. How are the people who kill, torture and mutilate war prisoners, attack unarmed columns of retreating soldiers, hide behind women and children and put artillery on schoolgrounds and near hospitals and regular apartments, conscript teenagers into their ranks and constantly disparage Ukraine's national symbols and all things Ukrainian they can think off and, last but not least, invade a foreign country during a turbulent moment in its history under false pretenses and start a war that has cost thousands of lives on both sides, called?
The exact term is kinda escaping me right now.
It is a real anthem mate, the confederation between Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic is real and has a real anthem despite what the war criminals in Kiev and the west thinks.
If I had to choose a fictional anthem it would be the unofficial anthem for Char Aznable's Neo Zeon during the Second Neo Zeon War from the Mobile Suit Gundam Franchise. It is the main theme of the movie and is also the theme used during a scene in which civilians on a train start singing and praising Char. Letting zero doubt that the film Char's Counterattack was Char's movie.
^ Sorry had too much fun finding lots of versions of the same theme. Best antagonist ever though regardless, bar none, not even Darth Vadar can touch him, even though he'd likely force choke him out of jealousy knowing that regardless what he does he will never be as good of an antagonist or character. lol
the confederation between Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic is real
It is as real as those pseudostates are re… moreal, meaning that they exist and can only sustain themselves with Russian military and monetary support.
despite what the war criminals in Kiev
Lol. "War criminals", eh? Tell me more. But, before you do, indulge me a bit. How are the people who kill, torture and mutilate war prisoners, attack unarmed columns of retreating soldiers, hide behind women and children and put artillery on schoolgrounds and near hospitals and regular apartments, conscript teenagers into their ranks and constantly disparage Ukraine's national symbols and all things Ukrainian they can think off and, last but not least, invade a foreign country during a turbulent moment in its history under false pretenses and start a war that has cost thousands of lives on both sides, called?
The exact term is kinda escaping me right now.
Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic aren't real.
Not one of the nations I am a citizen of recognizes them, not one of… more the organizations I or my nations are members of recognizes them, not one of my family members recognizes them, be they from Hungary, US, Germany, France, Slovakia, Austria, Canada, Romania or Crimea which is Ukraine.
Taiwan is just a breakaway province now, the real nationalist are gone, all there is now are dumb young people who think they live on a island think they are independent. Talking about recognition almost nobody recognizes the ROC anymore there is only one China and that is the People's Republic of China.
I wouldn't say bad guys. Germany for example has a rich tradition in military and patriotic song which goes back centuries. In a lot of respects the Nazi regime though adding hundreds of new song to that list, their song is often not as elegant, or rich as their former Prussian and German Imperial counter parts. Though I give the Nazis one thing, their patriotic song is simple, rhythmic and memorable still there are some like Stuka Lied, Horst Wessel Lied, Panzer Lied, England Lied, Westerwald Lied, and many others I have memorized the melodies are easy to remember.
I'm very jealous of German patriotic song really. As an American we have so few worth remembering. Which is sad, and what exist isn't as good often as what you find else where. I can only think of a few off the top of my head like Hell on the Wabash, Johnny Comes Marching Home, Garry Owen, The Marine Corps Hymn, Anchors Aweigh. Hmm need to try remembering more. I know there are a few more really good ones. Pale in the numbers and quality on average from over seas to be honest though.
North Korea, East Germany, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union? Fascist Italy? Why do I have the feeling people are trying to be as politically incorrect as possible?
I think it's because the bad guys always have the best music.. I guess ?!
Actually, yes they were. Any residential areas hit by the Ukrainian forces whether by accident or not were targeted because of how the "militants" positioned their artillery and supply lines. Also, somehow attacking and shelling the Ukrainian positions time and time again is no violation of those so-called agreements, eh? Funny how you don't mention that.
Funny how come majority of all casualties from Ukrainian shelling are civilians because they shelled residential areas with only a handful of fighters. Donetsk shelling is only response against Ukrainian aggression.
Actually, yes they were. Any residential areas hit by the Ukrainian forces whether by accident or not were targeted because of how the "mili… moretants" positioned their artillery and supply lines. Also, somehow attacking and shelling the Ukrainian positions time and time again is no violation of those so-called agreements, eh? Funny how you don't mention that.
...after "unknown" soldiers with no insignia whatsoever started taking over military bases and then taking over the Crimean parliament and effectively forcing them to support this on gunpoint. Some pro-Russian support notwithstanding, this "action" was not legitimate as it was done in violation of both Ukrainian (as the Crimea is still a de jure part of Ukraine) and international law and with neither agreement to nor recognition of the action. Hell, it was done in violation of Russian law, too, as their legal system forbids referendums!
They werent forced to join Russia, most Russian soldiers were stationed near Ukrainian military positions and ports, the Crimean People chose to join Russia by free will.
...after "unknown" soldiers with no insignia whatsoever started taking over military bases and then taking over the Crimean parliament and e… moreffectively forcing them to support this on gunpoint. Some pro-Russian support notwithstanding, this "action" was not legitimate as it was done in violation of both Ukrainian (as the Crimea is still a de jure part of Ukraine) and international law and with neither agreement to nor recognition of the action. Hell, it was done in violation of Russian law, too, as their legal system forbids referendums!
This "handful of fighters" (in reality whole squadrons) didn't just linger in those areas, but made them their places of dislocation on purpose, so that these actions even had a possibility of happening. In fact, the reason why Donetsk is still standing is because the Ukrainian military didn't want to level it to the ground like, say, the Russians did to Grozny during the First Chechen War.
Also, don't give me this crap about it being the "only response". It seems as if you're trying to portray them as some defenders of their homeland, but it's them who invaded this land. Most of them aren't locals, those only ever constitued at best about 30%, the rest were Russians and still are. If there's any aggression, then it's the Russian one.
Funny how come majority of all casualties from Ukrainian shelling are civilians because they shelled residential areas with only a handful of fighters. Donetsk shelling is only response against Ukrainian aggression.
The only reason few recognize the ROC is because no one wants to get on the PRC's bad side. The United States refuses to call the ROC a country anymore, but still treats it like a country. It's a tactic used by much of the international community. They pretend the ROC doesn't exist but treat it politically as if it does exist. It's a technical work around. The Republic of China exist, it's a country. All the way up into the 1970s it was recognized in the UN and by Nato as "China's" official governing body and viewed the PRC as a rogue state. But because of politics and the cold war, tactics changed, and with relations between China/Russia weakening the US/UN decided to try to pull the PRC away from the USSR, and began better relations with the PRC, but to do so they had to pretend the ROC didn't exist as it's own country but unofficially we still support the ROC as a country.
That being said you've been reading too much PRC propaganda haven't you? Taiwan was never a break away province. Before the 2nd Sino Japanese war it was a Japanese Colony even. It has a very long history of not being part of China prior to what we see today as Taiwan. It pretty much governed itself even before that. Japan was forced to abandon nearly all of it's colonial assets save for a few which were majority Japanese. This included abandoning Taiwan. The Nationalist just occupied it and continued operating on the Island. Issue is the PRC is destroying itself so the ROC may be the only functional governing Chinese body within the next century. lol
Taiwan is just a breakaway province now, the real nationalist are gone, all there is now are dumb young people who think they live on a isla… morend think they are independent. Talking about recognition almost nobody recognizes the ROC anymore there is only one China and that is the People's Republic of China.
Except they weren't wearing Russian insignia and were present without any permission from the government (effectively they were terrorists). Being stationed near the Ukrainian military positions doesn't grant them any access to them. Won't argue about the last one, but I'll mention this - there is no "Crimean people". It's Russians, the majority of whom did support this (at least at first), Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, (the majority of those two didn't), and a number of minorities.
They werent forced to join Russia, most Russian soldiers were stationed near Ukrainian military positions and ports, the Crimean People chose to join Russia by free will.
Why do you think they are stationed there? They defend their borders. Ukraine is the aggressors ever since they signed the Minsk II agreement mediated by the West and Russia they have shelled residential area and attacked Donetsk forces in the DPR during the ceasefire, war crime after war crime has been commited by Ukraine.
This "handful of fighters" (in reality whole squadrons) didn't just linger in those areas, but made them their places of dislocation on purp… moreose, so that these actions even had a possibility of happening. In fact, the reason why Donetsk is still standing is because the Ukrainian military didn't want to level it to the ground like, say, the Russians did to Grozny during the First Chechen War.
Also, don't give me this crap about it being the "only response". It seems as if you're trying to portray them as some defenders of their homeland, but it's them who invaded this land. Most of them aren't locals, those only ever constitued at best about 30%, the rest were Russians and still are. If there's any aggression, then it's the Russian one.
If I had to choose a fictional anthem it would be the unofficial anthem for Char Aznable's Neo Zeon during the Second Neo Zeon War from the … moreMobile Suit Gundam Franchise. It is the main theme of the movie and is also the theme used during a scene in which civilians on a train start singing and praising Char. Letting zero doubt that the film Char's Counterattack was Char's movie.
All Youtube Links.
Char's Neo Zeon Theme
8 Bit version
Guitar Version
Funny LOL Lyric version
Original
English Version of Original
^ Sorry had too much fun finding lots of versions of the same theme. Best antagonist ever though regardless, bar none, not even Darth Vadar can touch him, even though he'd likely force choke him out of jealousy knowing that regardless what he does he will never be as good of an antagonist or character. lol
The only reason few recognize the ROC is because no one wants to get on the PRC's bad side. The United States refuses to call the ROC a co… moreuntry anymore, but still treats it like a country. It's a tactic used by much of the international community. They pretend the ROC doesn't exist but treat it politically as if it does exist. It's a technical work around. The Republic of China exist, it's a country. All the way up into the 1970s it was recognized in the UN and by Nato as "China's" official governing body and viewed the PRC as a rogue state. But because of politics and the cold war, tactics changed, and with relations between China/Russia weakening the US/UN decided to try to pull the PRC away from the USSR, and began better relations with the PRC, but to do so they had to pretend the ROC didn't exist as it's own country but unofficially we still support the ROC as a country.
That being said you've been reading too much PRC propag… [view original content]
a lot of anime and game music could easily work as fictional anthems, many are great
and/or wacky
then there is Frank Klepacki (use speed 1.25 if you're a fan of Command & Conquer)
The only reason few recognize the ROC is because no one wants to get on the PRC's bad side. The United States refuses to call the ROC a co… moreuntry anymore, but still treats it like a country. It's a tactic used by much of the international community. They pretend the ROC doesn't exist but treat it politically as if it does exist. It's a technical work around. The Republic of China exist, it's a country. All the way up into the 1970s it was recognized in the UN and by Nato as "China's" official governing body and viewed the PRC as a rogue state. But because of politics and the cold war, tactics changed, and with relations between China/Russia weakening the US/UN decided to try to pull the PRC away from the USSR, and began better relations with the PRC, but to do so they had to pretend the ROC didn't exist as it's own country but unofficially we still support the ROC as a country.
That being said you've been reading too much PRC propag… [view original content]
Who is stationed? The Russians? They have no business there in the first place! It's not Russian territory. They "defend the borders" of the so-called "republics" to keep destabilizing Ukraine as a whole and that region in particular. Ukraine is not the aggressor since it was the one invaded by the Russian-backed "militants" and then regular Russian soldiers who helped them, and not the other way around. It's these so-called "Donetsk forces" that cause the deaths of regular people and the destruction of their homes. I've already mentioned how.
So, does the Ukrainian army torture, maim and kill their prisoners? Does it spit on, insult and burn the "New Russian" insignia and symbols (which the "Donetsk forces" do with the Ukrainian ones all the time, by the way)? Does it put its armaments in front of residential areas so that they get shelled? The fact that the "Donetsk forces" are violating the ceasefire all the time seems to have escaped your gaze too. "War crimes". Yeah, sure.
Why do you think they are stationed there? They defend their borders. Ukraine is the aggressors ever since they signed the Minsk II agreemen… moret mediated by the West and Russia they have shelled residential area and attacked Donetsk forces in the DPR during the ceasefire, war crime after war crime has been commited by Ukraine.
You don't know Minsk II treaty do you, i suggest you read it. Ukraine constantly attacks the DPR and tries to assassinate it's leaders. Ukraine constantly kills civilians by the hundreds with indiscriminate artillery barrages not accidents. Ukraine constantly attacks DPR Soldiers near the border in violation of the treaty and when the DPR hits back you have the courage to say they are the criminals. Ukraine even agreed to give autonomous status to Novorossiya until referendum that both sides agreed to that would decide the fate of DPR and LPR but is always delayed due to Ukrainian interference.
Who is stationed? The Russians? They have no business there in the first place! It's not Russian territory. They "defend the borders" of the… more so-called "republics" to keep destabilizing Ukraine as a whole and that region in particular. Ukraine is not the aggressor since it was the one invaded by the Russian-backed "militants" and then regular Russian soldiers who helped them, and not the other way around. It's these so-called "Donetsk forces" that cause the deaths of regular people and the destruction of their homes. I've already mentioned how.
So, does the Ukrainian army torture, maim and kill their prisoners? Does it spit on, insult and burn the "New Russian" insignia and symbols (which the "Donetsk forces" do with the Ukrainian ones all the time, by the way)? Does it put its armaments in front of residential areas so that they get shelled? The fact that the "Donetsk forces" are violating the ceasefire all the time seems to have escaped your gaze too. "War crimes". Yeah, sure.
No, it doesn't. In fact, several important "militants" who were assassinated were either killed due to in-group infighting, or on suspicious accidents more akin to FSB clean-ups. No actual Ukrainian trail is provable, as it only rests on the accusations of the so-called leaders of these "militants" and not on any evidence.
Also, Ukraine attacks them? Well, I can say the same thing about them attacking Ukraine. They constantly attack them and not at all in "retaliation" for any actions. It's only what they claim they're doing. Their provocations are simply incessant. And yes, I have the courage to say they're criminals, because they are. They invaded Ukraine and installed a paramilitary dictatorship within the Donbass, which prompted this whole conflict in the first place.
About the Minsk treaty. It's not due to "Ukrainian interference" that it doesn't happen/gets violated, it's because a number of its points is not something the "militants" are going to agree to, especially the ones about persecuting and punishing those responsible for this war. They weren't too forthcoming about releasing all the hostages or withdrawing their military personnel and equipment. Not to mention that allowing autonomous self-governance of these regions while these "militants" are there guarantees making these territories satellites of Russia, which they already are.
You don't know Minsk II treaty do you, i suggest you read it. Ukraine constantly attacks the DPR and tries to assassinate it's leaders. Ukra… moreine constantly kills civilians by the hundreds with indiscriminate artillery barrages not accidents. Ukraine constantly attacks DPR Soldiers near the border in violation of the treaty and when the DPR hits back you have the courage to say they are the criminals. Ukraine even agreed to give autonomous status to Novorossiya until referendum that both sides agreed to that would decide the fate of DPR and LPR but is always delayed due to Ukrainian interference.
If these people are invaders then tell me who protested in the streets of eastern and southern ukraine, were they Russian soldiers no they were Ukrainian citizens who identify as Russian who rose up in revolt in Ukraine. Most attacks from the DPR are retaliation attacks and Ukrainian has interfered with referendum, a referendum both sides agreed to hold and the treaty created by Russia, France and other mediators was both signed by Novorossiya and Ukraine and the "Candy-man" president of Ukraine has violated it many time, compared to Novorossiya violations Ukraine's list of war crimes looks like a large mountain.
Oh, I do know it, thank you very much.
No, it doesn't. In fact, several important "militants" who were assassinated were either killed du… moree to in-group infighting, or on suspicious accidents more akin to FSB clean-ups. No actual Ukrainian trail is provable, as it only rests on the accusations of the so-called leaders of these "militants" and not on any evidence.
Also, Ukraine attacks them? Well, I can say the same thing about them attacking Ukraine. They constantly attack them and not at all in "retaliation" for any actions. It's only what they claim they're doing. Their provocations are simply incessant. And yes, I have the courage to say they're criminals, because they are. They invaded Ukraine and installed a paramilitary dictatorship within the Donbass, which prompted this whole conflict in the first place.
About the Minsk treaty. It's not due to "Ukrainian interference" that it doesn't happen/gets violated, it's because a number … [view original content]
I don't deny that. A number of them were bolstered by actually Russian (as in, citizens of the Russian Federation) instigators and supplied by Russian organizations, though. Something to think about.
Yeah, retaliation attacks, except that Ukraine is the one retaliating against an invading force that is putting this region into jeopardy all the time. The referendum wasn't actually agreed upon as both sides have demands the other side would not accept. Also, nice slur against the Ukrainian president. Not a big fan of his, but still.
Also, you keep ignoring what I'm saying about their war crimes. The "large mountain" (which I'm not sure even exist, but I'll be generous and say it's a "hill") pales in comparison to what they're doing.
But, whatever. It's clear to me that this argument is going nowhere.
If these people are invaders then tell me who protested in the streets of eastern and southern ukraine, were they Russian soldiers no they w… moreere Ukrainian citizens who identify as Russian who rose up in revolt in Ukraine. Most attacks from the DPR are retaliation attacks and Ukrainian has interfered with referendum, a referendum both sides agreed to hold and the treaty created by Russia, France and other mediators was both signed by Novorossiya and Ukraine and the "Candy-man" president of Ukraine has violated it many time, compared to Novorossiya violations Ukraine's list of war crimes looks like a large mountain.
If these people are invaders then tell me who protested in the streets of eastern and southern ukraine, were they Russian soldiers no they w… moreere Ukrainian citizens who identify as Russian who rose up in revolt in Ukraine. Most attacks from the DPR are retaliation attacks and Ukrainian has interfered with referendum, a referendum both sides agreed to hold and the treaty created by Russia, France and other mediators was both signed by Novorossiya and Ukraine and the "Candy-man" president of Ukraine has violated it many time, compared to Novorossiya violations Ukraine's list of war crimes looks like a large mountain.
If these people are invaders then tell me who protested in the streets of eastern and southern ukraine, were they Russian soldiers no they w… moreere Ukrainian citizens who identify as Russian who rose up in revolt in Ukraine. Most attacks from the DPR are retaliation attacks and Ukrainian has interfered with referendum, a referendum both sides agreed to hold and the treaty created by Russia, France and other mediators was both signed by Novorossiya and Ukraine and the "Candy-man" president of Ukraine has violated it many time, compared to Novorossiya violations Ukraine's list of war crimes looks like a large mountain.
True. To be honest though if there is a national Anthem in the VC universe it's definitely going to be Those Who Succeed/Succeeded Wish from the first game, as it was officially adopted according to VC Lore as Gallia's official anthem.
True. To be honest though if there is a national Anthem in the VC universe it's definitely going to be Those Who Succeed/Succeeded Wish from the first game, as it was officially adopted according to VC Lore as Gallia's official anthem.
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Well, it is that.
It is as real as those pseudostates are real, meaning that they exist and can only sustain themselves with Russian military and monetary support.
Lol. "War criminals", eh? Tell me more. But, before you do, indulge me a bit. How are the people who kill, torture and mutilate war prisoners, attack unarmed columns of retreating soldiers, hide behind women and children and put artillery on schoolgrounds and near hospitals and regular apartments, conscript teenagers into their ranks and constantly disparage Ukraine's national symbols and all things Ukrainian they can think off and, last but not least, invade a foreign country during a turbulent moment in its history under false pretenses and start a war that has cost thousands of lives on both sides, called?
The exact term is kinda escaping me right now.
If I had to choose a fictional anthem it would be the unofficial anthem for Char Aznable's Neo Zeon during the Second Neo Zeon War from the Mobile Suit Gundam Franchise. It is the main theme of the movie and is also the theme used during a scene in which civilians on a train start singing and praising Char. Letting zero doubt that the film Char's Counterattack was Char's movie.
All Youtube Links.
Char's Neo Zeon Theme
8 Bit version
Guitar Version
Funny LOL Lyric version
Original
English Version of Original
^ Sorry had too much fun finding lots of versions of the same theme. Best antagonist ever though regardless, bar none, not even Darth Vadar can touch him, even though he'd likely force choke him out of jealousy knowing that regardless what he does he will never be as good of an antagonist or character. lol
I dont know about you but Novorossiya hasnt been the ones shelling residential areas and continuously breaking the Minsk II Agreement.
Crimea is Russia.
Yeah, a claim recognized by Russia alone. Since they invaded and annexed it, obviously.
Taiwan is just a breakaway province now, the real nationalist are gone, all there is now are dumb young people who think they live on a island think they are independent. Talking about recognition almost nobody recognizes the ROC anymore there is only one China and that is the People's Republic of China.
I wouldn't say bad guys. Germany for example has a rich tradition in military and patriotic song which goes back centuries. In a lot of respects the Nazi regime though adding hundreds of new song to that list, their song is often not as elegant, or rich as their former Prussian and German Imperial counter parts. Though I give the Nazis one thing, their patriotic song is simple, rhythmic and memorable still there are some like Stuka Lied, Horst Wessel Lied, Panzer Lied, England Lied, Westerwald Lied, and many others I have memorized the melodies are easy to remember.
I'm very jealous of German patriotic song really. As an American we have so few worth remembering. Which is sad, and what exist isn't as good often as what you find else where. I can only think of a few off the top of my head like Hell on the Wabash, Johnny Comes Marching Home, Garry Owen, The Marine Corps Hymn, Anchors Aweigh. Hmm need to try remembering more. I know there are a few more really good ones. Pale in the numbers and quality on average from over seas to be honest though.
Crimea voted to join Russia.
Actually, yes they were. Any residential areas hit by the Ukrainian forces whether by accident or not were targeted because of how the "militants" positioned their artillery and supply lines. Also, somehow attacking and shelling the Ukrainian positions time and time again is no violation of those so-called agreements, eh? Funny how you don't mention that.
Funny how come majority of all casualties from Ukrainian shelling are civilians because they shelled residential areas with only a handful of fighters. Donetsk shelling is only response against Ukrainian aggression.
...after "unknown" soldiers with no insignia whatsoever started taking over military bases and then taking over the Crimean parliament and effectively forcing them to support this on gunpoint. Some pro-Russian support notwithstanding, this "action" was not legitimate as it was done in violation of both Ukrainian (as the Crimea is still a de jure part of Ukraine) and international law and with neither agreement to nor recognition of the action. Hell, it was done in violation of Russian law, too, as their legal system forbids referendums!
They werent forced to join Russia, most Russian soldiers were stationed near Ukrainian military positions and ports, the Crimean People chose to join Russia by free will.
This "handful of fighters" (in reality whole squadrons) didn't just linger in those areas, but made them their places of dislocation on purpose, so that these actions even had a possibility of happening. In fact, the reason why Donetsk is still standing is because the Ukrainian military didn't want to level it to the ground like, say, the Russians did to Grozny during the First Chechen War.
Also, don't give me this crap about it being the "only response". It seems as if you're trying to portray them as some defenders of their homeland, but it's them who invaded this land. Most of them aren't locals, those only ever constitued at best about 30%, the rest were Russians and still are. If there's any aggression, then it's the Russian one.
The only reason few recognize the ROC is because no one wants to get on the PRC's bad side. The United States refuses to call the ROC a country anymore, but still treats it like a country. It's a tactic used by much of the international community. They pretend the ROC doesn't exist but treat it politically as if it does exist. It's a technical work around. The Republic of China exist, it's a country. All the way up into the 1970s it was recognized in the UN and by Nato as "China's" official governing body and viewed the PRC as a rogue state. But because of politics and the cold war, tactics changed, and with relations between China/Russia weakening the US/UN decided to try to pull the PRC away from the USSR, and began better relations with the PRC, but to do so they had to pretend the ROC didn't exist as it's own country but unofficially we still support the ROC as a country.
That being said you've been reading too much PRC propaganda haven't you? Taiwan was never a break away province. Before the 2nd Sino Japanese war it was a Japanese Colony even. It has a very long history of not being part of China prior to what we see today as Taiwan. It pretty much governed itself even before that. Japan was forced to abandon nearly all of it's colonial assets save for a few which were majority Japanese. This included abandoning Taiwan. The Nationalist just occupied it and continued operating on the Island. Issue is the PRC is destroying itself so the ROC may be the only functional governing Chinese body within the next century. lol
Except they weren't wearing Russian insignia and were present without any permission from the government (effectively they were terrorists). Being stationed near the Ukrainian military positions doesn't grant them any access to them. Won't argue about the last one, but I'll mention this - there is no "Crimean people". It's Russians, the majority of whom did support this (at least at first), Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, (the majority of those two didn't), and a number of minorities.
Why do you think they are stationed there? They defend their borders. Ukraine is the aggressors ever since they signed the Minsk II agreement mediated by the West and Russia they have shelled residential area and attacked Donetsk forces in the DPR during the ceasefire, war crime after war crime has been commited by Ukraine.
a lot of anime and game music could easily work as fictional anthems, many are great
and/or wacky
then there is Frank Klepacki (use speed 1.25 if you're a fan of Command & Conquer)
I know Chinese history between both sides and Taiwan is pretty much a break away now.
I dunno, I don't think any of them have lyrics.
Just to let you know as well, sorry if this offends you but most people can't care less about Chinese Taipai.
Who is stationed? The Russians? They have no business there in the first place! It's not Russian territory. They "defend the borders" of the so-called "republics" to keep destabilizing Ukraine as a whole and that region in particular. Ukraine is not the aggressor since it was the one invaded by the Russian-backed "militants" and then regular Russian soldiers who helped them, and not the other way around. It's these so-called "Donetsk forces" that cause the deaths of regular people and the destruction of their homes. I've already mentioned how.
So, does the Ukrainian army torture, maim and kill their prisoners? Does it spit on, insult and burn the "New Russian" insignia and symbols (which the "Donetsk forces" do with the Ukrainian ones all the time, by the way)? Does it put its armaments in front of residential areas so that they get shelled? The fact that the "Donetsk forces" are violating the ceasefire all the time seems to have escaped your gaze too. "War crimes". Yeah, sure.
You don't know Minsk II treaty do you, i suggest you read it. Ukraine constantly attacks the DPR and tries to assassinate it's leaders. Ukraine constantly kills civilians by the hundreds with indiscriminate artillery barrages not accidents. Ukraine constantly attacks DPR Soldiers near the border in violation of the treaty and when the DPR hits back you have the courage to say they are the criminals. Ukraine even agreed to give autonomous status to Novorossiya until referendum that both sides agreed to that would decide the fate of DPR and LPR but is always delayed due to Ukrainian interference.
Oh, I do know it, thank you very much.
No, it doesn't. In fact, several important "militants" who were assassinated were either killed due to in-group infighting, or on suspicious accidents more akin to FSB clean-ups. No actual Ukrainian trail is provable, as it only rests on the accusations of the so-called leaders of these "militants" and not on any evidence.
Also, Ukraine attacks them? Well, I can say the same thing about them attacking Ukraine. They constantly attack them and not at all in "retaliation" for any actions. It's only what they claim they're doing. Their provocations are simply incessant. And yes, I have the courage to say they're criminals, because they are. They invaded Ukraine and installed a paramilitary dictatorship within the Donbass, which prompted this whole conflict in the first place.
About the Minsk treaty. It's not due to "Ukrainian interference" that it doesn't happen/gets violated, it's because a number of its points is not something the "militants" are going to agree to, especially the ones about persecuting and punishing those responsible for this war. They weren't too forthcoming about releasing all the hostages or withdrawing their military personnel and equipment. Not to mention that allowing autonomous self-governance of these regions while these "militants" are there guarantees making these territories satellites of Russia, which they already are.
If these people are invaders then tell me who protested in the streets of eastern and southern ukraine, were they Russian soldiers no they were Ukrainian citizens who identify as Russian who rose up in revolt in Ukraine. Most attacks from the DPR are retaliation attacks and Ukrainian has interfered with referendum, a referendum both sides agreed to hold and the treaty created by Russia, France and other mediators was both signed by Novorossiya and Ukraine and the "Candy-man" president of Ukraine has violated it many time, compared to Novorossiya violations Ukraine's list of war crimes looks like a large mountain.
I don't deny that. A number of them were bolstered by actually Russian (as in, citizens of the Russian Federation) instigators and supplied by Russian organizations, though. Something to think about.
Yeah, retaliation attacks, except that Ukraine is the one retaliating against an invading force that is putting this region into jeopardy all the time. The referendum wasn't actually agreed upon as both sides have demands the other side would not accept. Also, nice slur against the Ukrainian president. Not a big fan of his, but still.
Also, you keep ignoring what I'm saying about their war crimes. The "large mountain" (which I'm not sure even exist, but I'll be generous and say it's a "hill") pales in comparison to what they're doing.
But, whatever. It's clear to me that this argument is going nowhere.
Double post.
Yeah considering how you arent really listening to about half of what i am saying i will agree that this is going nowhere.
There's nothing to listen to. I'm sure you think the same. So, to stop going around in circles, I'm going to stop right here.
Have a fine day.
Hope you have a fine day too then.
The don't need lyrics to be anthems, some real ones lack that too
Australia's. Though I'm biased.
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This should be the true national anthem of everything tbh.
"O Bikini Bottom, we pledge our hearts to you. As faithful, as deep, as true, as blue. Bikini Bottom, we love you."
before new government
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-25962702
after new government
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/world/europe/russias-hand-can-be-seen-in-the-protests.html?_r=0
@Lingvort
True. To be honest though if there is a national Anthem in the VC universe it's definitely going to be Those Who Succeed/Succeeded Wish from the first game, as it was officially adopted according to VC Lore as Gallia's official anthem.
The American one is way too long. So I guess my own country's national anthem. The Australian one.
The VC3 theme is however more sounding like an actual anthem
Minus the Guitar. lol
I honestly haven't heard many but Canada's is pretty great and Russia's is amazing. Russia is cool.