Who here is sick of politics, and politicians?

I for one am so sick of hearing all the political ads. I am sick of hearing about greedy and corrupt politicians in Washington.

No matter what their party, it seems that every single one of them are, or have been involved in something illegal.

And that's why I don't vote, as you can't trust any of them. They're all a bunch of greedy crooks who do not care about you or me. All they care about is expanding their own power wherever and however possible.

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  • I'm sick of people posting threads about politics, and politicians. (hint..hint?)

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited October 2016

    I never cared about politics to begin with

    I remember back in school, teachers and stuff were always talking about how important this stuff was, how I need to vote and get involved and blah blah blah. My parents, too. And most adult and/or authority figures in my life, for that matter.

    And to this day, I stand by the same sentiment I had back then: fuck that shit.

    If other people want to get involved in politics, go right ahead. Someone has to, after all. But me? Nope.

  • I've been sick of it forever.

    I'm still obsessed though.

  • Yes, but likely not for the same reason as you.

  • Never cared about politics when I was in school, now I'm annoyed with it out of school.

  • All political ads should be ignored. They are all propaganda and too simplistic to explain things properly. As a bonus, you can make fun of others spending millions on something that has no effect on you.

  • Kinda off-topic but, have you noticed that everyone mostly limits their political talk to social issues? People talk about ISIS, weed and pussy-grab bin' til the cows come home, but when the discussion turns to economic policy everyone gets all reserved.

    Shame too, cause that's the part that affects us the most on a day-to-day basis.

    DillonDex posted: »

    I've been sick of it forever. I'm still obsessed though.

  • edited October 2016

    Yeah never been one for politics. I tend to steer clear. It's just arguing whenever i see it.

  • Well, Trump hasn't won yet. So yes, I'm sick of them until then.

  • Politics bore me.

  • Don't worry, everyone's immensely "intelligent" political circle jerking discussions and all-of-a-sudden interest in the political machine will dissipate the moment the elections are over.

    Then it'll be back to complaining about the Kardashians' undeserved wealth, praise for the newest soulless Marvel film, and whining about whatever trending topic gets people to further distance themselves from their fellow man.

    I'll stick with my copious supply of liquor, novels about filmmaking and the art of painting, and idiotic videogames that I actually have a passion about.

  • I know. It's like being talked down to by a panhandler.

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    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Kinda off-topic but, have you noticed that everyone mostly limits their political talk to social issues? People talk about ISIS, weed and p

  • I'm so sick to be FORCED to care about it! Yeah I know it's important but it has not my interest and I don't want to get involved with politics, to much negative shit and more. I get sick I have to get into those discussions on school, parents and adults EVEN DAMN KIDS! I hate it when people post political information on a forum and get angry when you don't know what you are talking about.
    On my friends birthday somebody was talking about those damn politicians and everybody got depressed and made him shut his mouth.
    So yeah...

  • Isn't everyone?

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited October 2016

    Yeah, it's kinda sad and I personally blame academia. I think a lot of economists have done a very good job of justifying they're existence by convincing us that we peasants are too uninformed to understand economics. .there's good video to that end, arguing that most economics is just common sense, wrapped in a layers of jargon and mystical bullshit. I think it intimidates people into not getting involved and so they use their side's respective talking points. I was part of a progressive group that meets every week and splits into subcommittees. The social justice and environmental reform groups were nice and full, but my poor little worker's rights group consisted only of me and one old union guy.

    I think the reason is two fold - firstly, people are more knowledgeable about social issues and secondly, it's more of a matter of the heart, so it's easier to discuss and feel strongly about, whereas economics is purely.

    Which is kinda messed up if you think about it. With respect to the LGBT community, my heart breaks much more when medical expenses cause a family to lose their house, than when a trans person is kept from using the preferred bathroom. Never mind the fact that most social issues are heavily tied up with economic ones. Combine that with the fact that we have two Presidential candidates with very similar economic views and it paints a pretty grim picture for the future.

    Personally, it was something I had to learn myself (as I assume it was for you?), reading book after book, and article after article, until it started to come together.

    Kinda how it went for me too. I took political economy as a college course, but it was boring as bath water and limited in scope. I only really put time into economics after getting interested in Socialism, which turned me on to various thinkers from Marxian and Classical Schools and how their theories manifest themselves in the real world. I'm not so above it all, it's only been an interest of mine for little over a year. I just think that we're opening ourselves up to victimization by ignoring it.

    DillonDex posted: »

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    BigBlindMax posted: »

    Yeah, it's kinda sad and I personally blame academia. I think a lot of economists have done a very good job of justifying they're existence

  • Who needs politicians? Who wants to vote for a dictatorship and monarchy raise your hand? =D

  • edited October 2016

    I am indifferent toward current politics and politicians.

    I am interested in political theory quite a bit, though I haven't bothered to look into it yet. This seems like an interesting area to expand upon to me.

  • Amen brother! Amen.

    Deltino posted: »

    I never cared about politics to begin with I remember back in school, teachers and stuff were always talking about how important this stu

  • Up yours too!

    Cope49 posted: »

    I'm sick of people posting threads about politics, and politicians. (hint..hint?)

  • I'm pretty sick of people complaining about them.

  • BigBlindMaxBigBlindMax Banned
    edited October 2016

    I blame academia as well, I should say, after all I consider my knowledge on the subject self-taught because I knew I wasn't getting anything from there. I also agree with the second assessment - once you get the technical language out the way, the core principles aren't difficult to grasp. That being said, economics is just never going to have the appeal or grandstanding in the discourse that an instantly graspable topic like, say, immigration or 'equality,' is going to have, no matter what you do.

    True. I wasn't always that way, but conditions have changed greatly since the heyday of the labor movement.

    But even then, I'm not disturbed that people don't get into the nitty gritty of economics. It's not like I expect folks on the street to be debating the merits of the Labor Theory of Value. But I am disturbed by the apathy people have toward poverty, environmental destruction and monopolies. That's not terribly complex stuff when you get down to it. People seem to take the current system for granted as "human nature" and the way things have always been.

    And I actually think that's the problem with most political topics, and I know this is anecdotal, but there's two conversations I've had before that really hammer this point home. I had a conversation with a classmate the other month, about Black Lives Matter protesting London Airport. I basically said how whatever grievances they have in America don't equate here, be it the police murder rate, or Jim Crow.

    Hold the phone...there's BLM in the UK? What are their grievances/demands?

    point being, I think so many people get sucked into subjects through emotion, and rather than learning any actual information on said subject, they learn how to parrot the talking points. With economics, there's not much emotion that works as initial engagement, and there's not much basic information to just parrot. It's really quite a difficult thing to get into on all fronts, the more I think about it.

    Wisecrack did a pretty interesting video on Guy Debord's theories about spectacle and how it relates to current politics. It's basically turned into branded entertainment in some ways. if you've ever seen the shit surrounding the US debates, it's advertised like Monday Night Football. How are policies are perceived is stressed more than how they really are, which is how you get two people like Donald and Hillary who are branded completely differently, but have similar policy when you get down to it.

    Right, and I find it puts you in an awkward position - because you don't want to put someone with a genuine problem down if you can help it, but it can be maddening to watch people obsess over a little issue, while there's a far greater one (usually in the same vein) getting overlooked.

    Agreed, and I say that as being very much on the side of trans individuals in that situation.

    then read, "Economics in One Lesson" and "The Wealth of Nations," and others I'm now forgetting, but it was worth it, if just for the sheer perspective it gives you about so many ordinary things you never thought twice about before.

    I've been trudging through the Wealth of Nations over the past few months. Good on you for finishing, it's a bear! I'm actually quite surprised by a lot of Smith's views. For someone who's considered the "father of capitalism" the man had a really jaundiced view of rent-seekers and merchants. i haven't read Economics in One Lesson, but I'll probably get there eventually. I did read Thr Road to Serfdom by Hayek, which was interesting, despite my General distaste for Austrian economics.

    Currently reading Studies in Mutualist Political Economy by Kevin Carson. The part about how capitalism and private property came to be in England is pretty interesting. (Hint: it involved lots of coercive state-intervention)

  • I'm sick of politics, to be honest. They barely even interest me, yet everyone I meet around talks a relevant subject about them.

    But I'm not sick of politicians, though, because... well... I couldn't give a bloody crap about them, to begin with.

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    BigBlindMax posted: »

    I blame academia as well, I should say, after all I consider my knowledge on the subject self-taught because I knew I wasn't getting anythin

  • edited October 2016

    Have been sick of all it for too long..

  • I have it all figured out!

    People can't be trusted.
    So we just need to build supercomputers that replace goverments.

    However, we can't trust the people who programm the computers, so...

    Well shit, nevermind.

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