What might have happened if everyone persevered to Wellington?
What I mean is that if Bonnie and Mike didn't run away and Jane didn't inexplicably become a psycho in episode 5. What if they agreed to Kenny's plan only to be turned away when they arrived at Wellington? This is definitely a thought worth exploring in my opinion. What do you think? If that were the ending, if would better justify them being fed up with Kenny than them being angry he man-handled someone whose friends tried to kill us.
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You'd have to explore a whole host of various scenarios to even arrive at a ending that makes sense like this.
If I were to give it a go then Arvo never starts running across the lake, which doesn't make Kenny beat him up this time and the whole situation at the cabin might be slightly more calm, at least if Clem and Luke also hadn't decided to go for a swim.
If Kenny abuses Arvo further, I don't think there would be any convincing Mike. Bonnie might have decided to come, she blames Kenny and is sympathetic to Arvo but doesn't seem to go out of her way to assist him like Mike is most of the time.
So in the end it would be plus just Bonnie or it would be just minus Luke. Kenny probably still needed to be convinced that Arvo should be taken along in the truck even if he didn't beat them up.
Finally at Wellington then?
Probably Mike and Bonnie would insist that Arvo be included as "a child" or just because of his handicap and given to the safety of Wellington, or maybe Edith outright denies them since they aren't just "a old man and a little girl with a baby." Mike and Bonnie would appear capable from a strangers perspective even if Kenny is obviously the dominant personality.
So after that it would either be the whole group stuck together or the adults outside and the kids inside.
I didn't touch on Jane's baby-stunt, but I don't think she would have attempted it if the others were still in the group, she might be reluctant to agree that Clementine should stay at Wellington, and if she does then Jane would most likely leave the group. Perhaps Mike and Bonnie would decide to hit it out on their own then and Kenny would be alone as well.
If the kids are still with the group then I would assume there would be a split somewhere down the line, Clementine and AJ were the only things keeping it together so maybe the groups would eventually end up with just Clem, Kenny and Jane again while Mike and Bonnie heads off with Arvo, although on more peaceful terms. After that it's anyone's guess. Something else would probably make Kenny and Jane butt heads, although at this point Kenny would have been proving right in his instinct and shown his self-sacrifice in suggesting the kids gain entry into Wellington, which might have convicned Jane and the others to give him another chance.
Congrats, you're theoretical question was one of the worst things that could've theoretically made No Going Back even worse!
Taking away the option to fire a bullet through Kenny's only eye as he soulfully pleads for death is taking away the only moment of decency the episode had.
If Bonnie, Mike and Jane agreed with Kenny's suicide plan to try and find Wellington, Bonnie and Mike still wouldn't have come since Kenny was also against bringing Arvo. Kenny vs Jane probably wouldn't have happened, though, unless you as the player chose to be aginst it.
If you and Jane both agreed with the Wellington plan, then the three of you would've gone there. And let's asume you were actually able to find it (such realism, mhhhhh); you either enter Wellington and leave both Kenny and Jane alone with eachother (needless to say that Kenny murders her, or she leaves him at some point in time) or you refuse to enter and the three of you are left in the icy wastes.
Oh and AJ wouldn't be alive, because a baby just doesn't survive 9 days without formula at negative temperatures.
Now if you were aginst going to Wellington, then maybe Jane would see your point (of not being suicidal) and agree that going back was the right move too, which would result in Kenny vs Jane the same.
Either way, that would be unrealistic because, unlike Kenny, Jane, Bonnie and Mike were perfectly sane and knew that venturing North with >50ml of baby formula and very weak clothes would mean the certain death of AJ and the death of themselves, they'd never agree with such stupid and suicidal plan.
I got a better question. What if Kenny had respected what the group decided (going to Howe's) instead of turning psycho dictator? We wouldn't just end up with everyone alive and in a safe place, but we would also be left with a believable ending! Win-win.
I liked no going back
I hated No Going Back.
I liked No Going Back.
Meh, it was okay, I guess.
...And I hated No Going Back.
Do you feel that way with the whole season, or just that episode?
I'd imagine that everyone left in the group (Bonnie, Mike, Jane, Luke, and possibly Arvo) would be infuriated with Kenny to the point where they would lose all respect for him, or worse, attempt to punish him via verbal and physical assault for using them just to get to Wellington, a place that nobody at the time knew it existed once they started searching, and had absolutely no idea where it was.
From their point of view, this group would either face the option to be left on their own with no supplies in a run-down building where Arvo's group supposedly stayed in, or go along with the plan a desperate and violent man had conjured, and venture towards an unknown destination with limited supplies, no shelter from the blizzard, and with a newborn baby to care for 24/7. It was a lose-lose situation, and yet they weren't given that many choices left due to how they had no say in what they felt about the plan.
Imagine going through all that struggle and desperation with the promise that you will find Wellington, a place with a roof above your head and with little worries to ration food, ammunition, and remain safe from the threat of bandits and walkers...only to discover that the place does indeed exist, expect now that it's too full to allow for anymore people to enter, with the exception of a little girl and a baby you've known for roughly a month at the most. What's more, you probably have no idea where the nearest settlement is, whether it is safe and full of supplies, and most importantly, how long you have to wait until Wellington lets you in.
And then you turn to your leader who seems proud of himself for having finally sent his friend and a newborn baby to a safe haven. But hold on...what about everyone else that he's supposed to care for as a leader? I doubt that Kenny would have caused a ruckus to let everyone else in Wellington. Considering that he refused everyone's vote on whether the group should go to Wellington or somewhere else, why would he care now that everyone he had dragged along had risked their life and journey for nothing?
It would be a very cynical ending to finish the story on, that's for sure.
Lemme break it down for you.
All That Remains: 9/10
A House Divided: 7/10
In Harms Way: 5/10
Amid the Ruins: 6/10
No Going Back: -9/10
The season up 'till NGB was a fairly wobbly and mixed experience. With some things being done really well (practically, I absolutely loved *ATR and would consider it the second best episode out of the series only losing to the season 1 finale), but I was actually offended with the level of awfulness NGB exuded.
Truly a piece of shit.
Where's the point of reference here? Like, where do I begin to speculate?
If In Harms Way was your second favorite episode, how come you only gave it a 5?
And do you hate No Going Back so much because of the endings, or just the whole episode?
*All That Remains is what I meant. Sorry, liquor does that to me from time to time.
And the whole episode and everything in it.
Oh, okay. And yeah, I agree. All That Remains was a great episode.
They'd still be shoed away. This time Kenny wouldn't make his tearful speech and we all would walk away towards the sun set going "now what?" ...roll credits.
That's harsh. Kenny was the only person through the game that cared about Clementine. Rebecca and Nick wanted to shoot her without knowing it was a walker bite. Luke chose hanky-panky with Jane over watching for threats. Bonnie and Mike were responsible for getting Clem shot, and they left her to die. And Jane wouldn't have stuck with Clem if she became a burden like Sarah.
Mm-hmm. Sure he did.
Pete , Alvin, Sarah, Sarita, and technically Carlos also would've worked since they all clearly cared about her. And I guess Jane also counts given how coquettish she was revealed to be.
[Show up to Wellington's gates with everyone still alive]
Edith: lol nope sorry
[Everyone glares angrily at Kenny]
Oh yeah? Well I liked No Going Back!
What now, tough guy?
This argument is biased, since you are holding onto one interaction that the two had with Clementine that does not summarize their relationships as a whole; both Nick and Rebecca eventually grew to accept her, and Rebecca can determinantly claim that Clem is her "favorite person in the entire world."
This is argument's only basis is that one action, which was not motivated by their stance on Clemenrine in the first place, reflect both of their relationships with her, which is simply not plausible.
Even though they are indirectly responsible for Arvo shooting Clementine, they never wished for Clementine to be shot; we cannot pretend that the two shared Arvo's view just because they played a role at setting him free.
So that Kenny would not kill them savagely out of anger.
Jane's fondness of Clementine cannot be determined by a hypothetical scenario that did not influence their relationship in any way since it didn't happen.
Still thought NGB was 10lbs of shit in a 5lb bag but it's cool, nobody's perfect.