Episode 4 Review/Discussion [Spoilers Allowed] [Now Out]
It is now out in some countries i guess. So please keep all the (spoilers allowed) reviews and details here 
Here is the gameplay i found:
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It is now out in some countries i guess. So please keep all the (spoilers allowed) reviews and details here
Here is the gameplay i found:
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I'm so tempted to watch that let's play but I really have to wait to tommorow I don't know why I thought it was a good idea to click this thread.
Damn did Harvey jump off the slippery slope of sanity in the five minutes you were gone. This is why we shouldn't have just let him leave when he was sort-of being reasonable post-fight even if Bruce did have to go to the worst press conference ever.
Selina is totally lame here, I regret caring for her at all. She clearly does not give a fuck.
Well this video is from a saved Harvey playthrough where she already didn't want a relationship and was talking about it being a one night stand. If you saved her and things seem more serious, she might react differently.
Does not matter, she just leaves, no matter how much you invested in her, how much you showed you cared about her in Ep2 and 3. She also acts very cold and distant, clearly nowhere near as nobled and principled as I thought she could turn into....Granted there is another episode left but still what a mess.
What a mediocre payoff for so much care, I wish Telltale gave us another real romance option besides Selina.
She clearly is not worth it, she was lucid on what she was all along.
More importantly it really made me think my previous choices did not matter at all this is what hurts me the most.
Gets my vote for worst Joker ever.
Hamills Joker as the worst? hell nah
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If you ask me-- and again, this is just me-- I think it makes sense for Selina's character. The way I see it, she's not exactly good at the whole commitment thing. With all the talk about how you shouldn't trust her, how she was only toying with Harvey, how she doesn't like being in someone's debt, and how she likes to play both sides if they meet her needs... it makes sense that Bruce wouldn't end up being the exception, even in spite of what Selina says about him. She just strikes me as someone that isn't good at keeping-- or doesn't trust herself enough to keep-- a steady relationship with anyone, unless it's strictly business. And even then, only as long as said 'business' benefits her.
I think she just sucks at intimacy, to put it bluntly. She'd hook up with someone if it makes her feel good, but the second she's expected to hold up her end of the bargain in that respect, she tries to slink away from the responsibilities of a relationship. Seems like the only time she's interested in 'honoring a deal' is if it's business related. As for more intimate relationships? Not so much.
I honestly feel Harvey blowing up the building and killing some civilians was out of place, even with Harvey as two-face now. it seems something Joker would do not Two face, but what do i know
LoL...I would have called it ridiculous if not for the fact it was done in real life in the 80s...destroying a city block in Philadelphia.
1985 MOVE
I liked it, boy did things escalate fast. Joker was interesting...nice to see him having moments when he is this nice guy and then boom...Joker. Still it must be said this is the 4th episode and it has problems...but when compared to other episode 4s...it is probably the best.
I keep seeing all these playthroughs where it's obvious Harvey is targeting Bruce because he's mad about Selina. I think anger is justified but not literally ruin his life five different ways justified. But all the playthroughs I saw seem to be the 98% or whatever that slept with Selina. I just really want to know if I have any opportunity to keep reminding him that NOTHING HAPPENED. He's all "A real friend wouldn't do that" and it's like I KNOW. Totally agree. It's why it didn't. Honestly.
Like seriously, he's all "Oh, the Waynes and their filthy corruption" and "The people are scared" and you're like "Really, Harvey? Really?" and then he'll actually sound like himself again and talk about how hurt he was about Selina. Which I was really trying to avoid having to deal with the fallout of having slept with her under these circumstances by, well, not sleeping with her under those circumstances.
Out of curiosity, which episode 4 do you consider the worst?
To be fair though, this is Telltale's version of Harvey. They're no strangers to changing up how some of the characters work. I mean, in most versions of Batman, you wouldn't expect Vicki to be portrayed as a ruthless, psychopathic killer... but Telltale did it. You wouldn't expect Thomas Wayne to be a despicable, corrupt bastard... but they did that, too. What's stopping them from taking Harvey in a bit of a different direction as well?
I mean yeah, him blowing up a building and getting civilians killed in the process is going pretty far, but this version of Harvey seems to be a bit more deranged than usual, at least from what I've seen. The way the psychological damage he's sustained is changing and distorting him is different. More unique. He's not just a fate-obsessed coin flipper, you know?
Really good episode. This series has been so impressive, I think. Didn't much like the look and sound of the Joker (ehem, John Doe) in the trailer, but wow did I love him here. The entire portion of the episode in Arkham Asylum was fantastic and really gripping. The rest of the episode was solid. Obviously, they needed to get one of the sub plots out of the picture, so Oz is gone in my playthrough. Really curious to know what happens if you go to Wayne Manor instead of Wayne Tower at the end. All in all, this is probably my favourite episode so far. Wonder if episode 5 will be out before Christmas?
Speaking of intimate I'm still trying to get that kiss from the trailer of Episode 4 Trailer I still don't know if it was from a trailer or does happen with options like words?also I look forward to seeing more I hope of Selina next episode I still like this episode a lot even if it's short like a hour and 15 minutes I don't care but still hope for that.Selina might come back she does fight in her head about right and wrong an I wouldn't be surprised if that happens I hope dear god that happens also wtf Harvey like the guy doesn't even try to be good or even regret himself over fail choices he makes in this episode like the choice of saving him or not in episode 2 seems less of good or bad choice even after he does things
Really cool stuff, that only really cool people get to see, because they choose the really cool choice.
"In Sheep's Clothing" is my pick.
Dishonorable mentions are "A Nest of Vipers" (penultimate, not 4th) and, to an extent, "Amid the Ruins". I didn't really have a problem with "Around Every Corner", and I actually consider "Escape Plan Bravo" one of the best, if not the best, Tales Episode.
This is Telltale universe. I thought she could rise above, apparently not. That does not make her attitude any less despicable. "Good luck with all of this".....Thanks a lot Selina.
My Batman values loyatly above all, with that move she firmly set herself in villain territory. She does not owe me any feelings, but she decided to flee when I needed her most.
"Bruce will remember this".
Selina Kyle is self serving, that's one of her core character traits. Sure she cares about Bruce, if you play it right Bruce can even be someone she has a genuine connection with. But...she's also a thief and conwoman, even if she has caught a genuine case of the feels from Bruce, her survival instinct and entire outlook on life are screaming at her to run like hell.
That being said, I also fully expect her to return at some point next episode. After all, she is a thief and conwoman, but as my Bruce has told her repeatedly, that's not all she is.
I suppose we will have one last shot at saving her. But I think I'll be busy by then, you know on other, more important matters.
If you go to Wayne Manor, you save the house and get Harvey arrested, but Cobblepot hacks your tech, so you need to shut it all down.
That also baffles me unless that trailer was shown after you played ep 3 they usually don't used it in actual games but that was the actual trailer though.
Apparently, even if you saved Selina in ep 2 and invited her to live in the Manor, she will still leave Gotham. But what I'm interested in is what business she will take care of? She was about to say something but was interrupted by Bruce's seizure.
I honestly really disliked this episode. All the good will they built up in me with this game so far just went crashing down. Was there even a difference between Harveys? Bruce sleeping with Selina was just not a good enough excuse to justify Harvey becoming this way so quickly or his immense hatred to the point of wanting to murder Bruce with no kind of doubt like he had in Episode 3. They should have chosen something better than sleeping with Selina because it just felt petty. Not even any moments of doubt, heartwrenching humanity, or the same emotional back and forth we got in him from Episode 3. Just straight up murder, no qualms about it. So are we just done with Harvey in this game now? He goes to prison or Arkham and comes back as a bad guy in the second season no matter what you choose? Absolutely lame.
Selina just up and leaves so I guess that was all for nothing. Even if she comes back in episode 5, that was a terrible way for her to exit this episode. Even the tension was more annoying than gripping this time around. Instead of balancing everything, they decided to make this whole episode Harvey (in the worst way) so they could get rid of him by the end instead of having all of the antagonist ties weave together in a satisfying way until the last episode. The whole episode felt short and slapped together and just blah.
I'm so disappointed. Maybe I'll feel better about it in a while but my initial reaction to this episode and the game direction is really not good. And this was after I thought it'd become one of my favorites. So much for that. I feel almost cheated, like they dangled something great in front of me and then tossed it into the garbage. This isn't the first time I've felt this way about a Telltale game but I was hoping I was seeing a return to form.
This is all well and good but this was a terrible way to display this "complexity". No tension in the scene, she just says 'see ya' and peaces out. Nothing at all to match the emotions she showed you or that the player was allowed to show to her. Not even a hint that she feels bad beneath it all. Even if she comes back in episode 5, which she probably will, this was a terrible way for her character to exit. Rushed and like it barely had any thought put into it.
Did Alfred die in the fire if you go to Wayne Enterprises?
I'm not entirely surprised by this. I haven't played it yet, but I get the distinct impression they continue to make things up as they go along, and it really hurts the story when there's nothing thought out and pre-planned.
second best ...hehe TFTBL had no bad episodes in my opinion.
I just finished the episode and wow. I feel they could have done more with the Joker but I liked him. I decided to go to Wayne manor because I didn't want Alfred to die I was really shaking I also felt bad for Harvey when the skin on his arm burned off because I save Harvey in episode 2.
I don't think so, no. After all, Bruce tells him to go to the Batcave and keep Harvey out of that, basically giving up the Manor.
If you go after Cobblepot, Alfred probably doesn't confront Harvey in the entrance hall and just locks himself in in the Batcave to keep Harvey from finding it.
Also note that Harvey stands in front of the burning Manor in the end, he wouldn't be so calm if he'd just discovered Bruce is Batman.
So all in all I think it's safe to say that Alfred does not die if you go after Cobblepot. You either lose your tech or the Manor, but no people.
I just watched a let's play that did the choice if you don't go to the manor it just shows Harvey standing in front of it Alfred doesn't appear.
You nailed it, really well. This is so much at odds with how beautiful she was in Ep3.
As I said lots of investment for such a shitty payoff. I would not have minded at all had Telltale not pushed that romance HARD. Yet they made Selina act this way, that makes zero sense.
I guess they want to test how forgiving Batman is, but in Ep5 she is going down either dead or arrested if I have the choice.
It was a good episode, not my favourite one though. But man, Bruce's name has really gone down the blunder now with everything that has happened to him. Don't know how he can pick himself back up after this game now.
I loved investigating the Vale family house, really like them investigation segments of the Telltale Bats game and this episode had my favourite one yet. Also digged the final showdown you have with Harvey if you decide to go to Wayne Manor.
Apparently the Vales were very despicable people...Victoria really let them have it.
Harvey becomes evil no matter what choices you made. I feel very, very sorry for those who were rooting for him.
What a total shitshow from Telltale, Episode 4 is a massive disappointment for me.
So what "villain" are we supposed to be in position to prevent if it was not Harvey ? Joker ? Catwoman ?
I had a feeling for a long time that they were talking about Selina when it cam to redeeming a villain. Which sucks to me since Selina has never been an out right villain and has always had changing morals to begin with. I was hoping to steer Harvey or Oswald (Mostly Harvey) from their dark paths.
She must be working for the Children of Arkham. I hope we can take her down in Ep5.
No mercy.
I could not imagine anyone else but Harvey, but I suppose this is between Catwoman and Joker now.
I'm really conflicted as to where to send Harvey. Arkham makes sense with his mental state but i don't want Harvey exposed to guys like the Joker.
Actually, this is the first Telltale series in a long time that I feel has had (almost) no rewrites and seems to have been planned out with all Episodes in mind.