What do you think about the police?
Well, do you like them or would you rather say acab? Acab means all cops are bastards.
I like the police, not all of them, I have seen them do a lot of screwed up things, YT is a really huge source for those kinds of videos but I don´t know if it´s a good idea to post them here since many of them contains extreme brutality and I´m quite sure that they would violate the rules.
On the other hand, I admire that there are some people who are villing to risk their lives for other peoples security, yes, I know that in a country for taking Turkey as an example, the cops are more of the governments stormtroopers with the objective of opressing people but still, many cops aren´t like that. I´m glad that there are some people who are villing to deal with idiots who deal drugs that ruin peoples lives, sell humans, soccer hooligans etc.
I can only immagine how the andrenaline most rush through you in a situation like this, do you think you would make it and stand against the protesters? And yes, I know that the cops shot a 15 year old to death but I´m only focusing at what´s going on. This video is safe for work btw:
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Fuck The Police
I think they're a bunch of corrupt assholes who would do anything for money. Fuck the police.
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Yeah exactly! Immagine if you would be in a bank and a bunch of robbers went in with AK-47´s, wouldn´t it be quite good to feel that some people would actually arrive ready to stop it?
Sounds like a personal problem.
There are good policemen and bad policemen. Ones who take there jobs seriously and ones who doesn't care at all. This is like all other professions. I believe that police officers who are wrong doers shouldn't outweigh the officers who want to do go in the communities.
No, they're just really corrupt.
Let's not deal in absolutes, shall we?
Take a guess...
They're okay in my country.
I´m guessing you´re not a fan of them, why not?
They don't do good in the community though. Each individual act of heroism or charity by LEOs has to be weighed against the fact that police have agreed to enforce all laws, many of which are horrendously unjust. And they do so, at great expensive to us taxpayers and the communities they "serve". Police and their unions have the power to make a lot of good changes to the justice system, but they don't. They close ranks and keep the funding gravy train rolling.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
What´s LEO? And also, sure they drive trough many laws that are not morally defensible but really, I understand that they have to power to change a lot but at the same time you make it sound so easy, I don´t live in the US and don´t know about those things but can it really be that easy to just affect the justice system?
Secretly everyone loves them, that is after they realize they need them to save their lives. People don't take in concideration how hard cops have it, it's literally one of the worst jobs.
Law enforcement officer
They have a union and lots of prestige. They're in a much better position than most to affect change. If one of the major police unions demanded an end to the drug war and threatened a strike, you can be damn sure the people in power would at least listen. If the rank and file of a precinct collectively refused to pad out their arrest quotas by stalking poor neighborhoods and busting people for petty non-crimes, there's not much their superiors could do. Instead they follow orders like good doggies and lives are ruined because of it.
Are there good cops? Heroic cops? Sure! But the institution at large is completely unworthy of someone with their character. When one of them makes trouble about the methods of the other cops, they tend to be ostracized or driven out of the force for it.
Ok, then I understand, are you pro-drugs btw?
I think hes talking about his profile picture.
I grew up as a child of a local politician. During the county fair, I often found myself at the local Sheriff's Tent being baby sat by them. I got to know a lot of our local police officers over the years so much so it even tempted me, and since has tempted me to wanting to be a police officer myself. But I'm too spineless, and hate confrontation, so I always stepped away from the idea in the end.
So when it comes to police, all my experience with police, including the times I've been pulled over driving, or have been interviewed and questioned have all been very positive really. I've since moved from my home town, and even my experiences where I live now have been positive so.
They're people, some good, some bad.
Not really pro-drugs, but I don't believe in jailing people for victimless crimes. More importantly, I know enough to realize the war on drugs is founded on racism and a criminally stupid way of fighting drug use.
Eh, reds aren't known for loving police, true. But I was more referring to my previous rants about the subject.
Edit: wanted to clarify this list is mostly US-centric.
Modern policing was created to stop labor unrest and catch escaped slaves (in America), not protect people.
They're enemies of liberty who crushed many popular movements throughout modern history. They're consistently on the wrong side of history (protecting the ruling class from the rest of us).
They seem to subvert the 4th Ammendment whenever they can.
They can and do seize people's money without charge on the mere suspicion it's drug money. It's essentially a legalized shakedown and it happens a lot.
They enforce the racist, stupid war on drugs.
They ruin lives over petty non-crimes, mostly related to said War on Drugs.
An alarming number have problems with....overzealous conduct.
They're more like an occupying force than a friendly presence in many communities.
Speaking of an invading force, they're armed like one, with chemical weapons, APC's and drones. As a taxpayer, part of my income pays for that shit.
Many departments specialize in busting as many people as possible, rather than as few as necessary. Poor, minority neighborhoods are often targeted by officers trying to make quota because people there are less likely to have the means of fighting the charges. (Busting a poor person for marijuana is much less risky than busting a rich person).
That's enough for me to say "ACAB" personally. Though, I'd say the Feds and police bureaucrats are much, much bigger bastards than your average beat cop. The latter are doing something I disapprove of, the former are criminals by any other name IMO.
They're people. Some are good and some are bad. Just because a few of them are idiots doesn't mean all of them are.
There's nothing wrong with the concept of a police force. In fact, it is integral to a functioning society.
The problem lies with the individual and lax oversight. Some people are cops for the wrong reasons. Some abuse their powers. Some should never have been allowed to become cops in the first place. Some have become corrupted since. Some haven't been trained properly. Some aren't being trained properly regarding new equipment, protocol, etc. Some misuse their authority in order to act upon, justify, excuse or conceal their own prejudices. Some overlook the corrupt actions of other cops as a form of solidarity. Some aren't being held accountable for their actions, and know that they won't be, thus emboldening them as 'untouchable'. Some are fired from the jobs for misconduct, but manage to get a job at another station immediately regardless.
And, depending on the country, all of them are armed. Which is fine and necessary, if they are only armed to protect others, have been properly trained, fire defensively and only as a last resort, and have the enforced directive to wound whenever possible, rather than kill automatically. But that is not how many cops operate anymore and the mindset is shifting from an honourable 'protect and serve' mentality to a worrying 'us versus them' mentality.
And one of the biggest problems is that the system seems to be punishing the good cops for doing what they are supposed to.
Case in point: West Virginia cop fired for not killing an unarmed man
I live in Australia, and I've never had anything to complain about the police. Granted, I haven't really had any interactions with the police outside of a friend of my dad's (who rarely ever talks about his work anyway). There are a few instances of bad conduct that end up going viral (because the situation in America seems to have made it trendy to hate on the police, so people jump on instances of police brutality), but generally the police here aren't that bad.
Some cops are really cool ( because I'm friends with 2) but other are dicks only thing about them that bother me are the racist one just going around shooting minority's just because they are different does not mean they are not human too technically we are all the same race human.
There are good cops and bad cops. People will always like the good cops, while bad cops will always be shown the finger.
Echoing that police are human, some good, some bad. I think the majority (at least in the U.S.) do the best they can under circumstances that fluctuate between boring and extreme on a daily basis.
One good blog from a police officer's perspective is Don of All Trades. An example is https://donofalltrades.com/2016/07/11/police-are-we-asking-too-much, which was shortly after the police officers in Dallas were killed. It's some interesting reading.
People give police way too much shit. Police are needed and you have to respect anyone who has the guts to commit to the job considering how hated they are. And they have a job that matters. They inforce the rules and protect people.
I had to deal with a lot of white bullies in highschool. I suppose that means all white people are assholes?
Yeah, I've seen friends on Facebook sharing 'Fuck the Police' around because of all the shit going on in America (and I live in Australia for fuck's sake). Part of the fallout from what's happening in the U.S is that it's become globally trendy to hate on the police. And most of these people shitting on police just do it to feel good about themselves. If you wanna do something about police brutality, then make a blog or Youtube channel and actively speak out against it. Modern activism has boiled down to people whining about shit for a while so that they look cool.
Can't tell much. Since I remember Sting was a solo artist.
My parents were Sting fans. His solo stuff never seemed that good to me.
As an American, I think the cross-pacific display of solidarity is kinda cool.
though I imagine a lot of people there hate cops for the wrong reasons ("they're all racists"). That's pretty faulty analysis. Certainly some cops are racist, but I'd argue the main problem is class interest and power, rather than prejudice.
Slacktivism is a problem, true. As someone involved with activism, it's expected that you're always going to get more sympathetic tweets than participants. Social media is a bless and a curse, as more people are aware of brutality, yet feel they've adequately contributed by cussing out cops on Twitter. The BLM in my area, also has problems with self-interested people, who only show up to feed their egos or advance their careers.
On the flip side, it's interesting to see the absolute disorder this loss of prestige is causing within the law enforcement community. This is a group of people that's grown accustomed to almost universal support and praise from the middle-class (their main base of support) and this generation isn't giving it to them. Police departments are doing cookouts, social media blitzes, etc. They're basically doing everything they can to improve public opinion, besides implementing actual reform. You can also see their class-interest at work on the political front. The overwhelming majority of rank and file police support Trump, a candidate that's promised to protect their privileged status and quell anti-police dissent.
Oh. Ok. Just noticed this thread doesn't concern the band. So... police is okay. I understand them, sometimes they must hit you or use a gun but they are only humans. They are scared. At least they don't ban you for no reason and without judgement.
The U.S sounds like an absolute nightmare when it comes to making actual change. I feel sorry for you guys.
I know law enforcement works a bit different in the U.S compared to Australia. Over here, we've got the federal and state police, and all local police departments are part of the same organization depending on what state there in. I don't know the specifics of how law enforcement in America works, but I know that America has a lot of local police agencies that are separate entities. I'm planning on looking at the law enforcement system in the U.S so that I can do a video properly examining it.
Kate should go to it.
You're basically right. There are several different levels that cooperate, but have a measure of independence. From smallest to largest you have.
Municipal/Local Police: Keep order in towns, mostly deal with drunks, petty drug users/sellers and traffic issues.
County Sheriff (sometimes, can be alongside or instead of local police). For instance, when I was subpoena'd over an accident I saw, it was a county deputy who gave me the summons, not a local cop.
Metropolitan Police: People who police the cities, much more involved with drug enforcement and other amoral activities.
State Police: I'm not that knowledgable these guys, but I think they have juristiction over places like highways and state game lands or elsewhere that local police can't go.
Feds: Members of government agencies, such as the FBI, DHS, ICE, DEA, ATF, etc. These are the real bastards. Do some research on the COINTELPRO program for a great example.
Cool, I look forward to watching it! Just remember to examine police as an institution and not just as individuals. The "well there's some nice cops and some mean cops" analysis that's popular these days isn't terribly groundbreaking or useful, even if it is technically true.
Sadly, most people's experience with police in the USA is either through social media, movies, TV shows and video games. Sadly you can take a wild guess, police are not portrayed well in any of them, on average these days. It isn't like the 1970s or 1980s, when Hollywood pushed a pro police agenda after all the hell that was the Civil Rights movement and the Cultural Revolution which well lets say were very turbulent times which often gave local police a black eye, some very deserving so. But it didn't help the moral of the American people, and their trust with authority.
During the 1970s, detective films, car chases, people going after the lawless bad guys outside of a wild west theme was very popular in theaters for example. This continued into the 1980s in a big way, and even some very good TV shows came out of it as well. There hasn't really been a good long term pro police propaganda TV series in a long time for example. Switched over to forensic TV shows, and Lawyer/Law Firm shows. But nothing really about police themselves really.
Media is more often than not, seemingly negative toward authority, and this often includes local police these days. Lets say anti establishment, anti authority and anti police views likely at their highest since I can remember, which is horrible. Heart breaking to be honest.
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