After much deliberation, I have finally decided what to do with my life! I mean this game! Is there a difference at this point?
I feel obligated to deal with the consequences of my actions, so on the day of the release, I'll play blindly courtesy of my original save. I was already planning to have a marathon of all of the episodes on Sunday, so I'll do that as well. It will be identical to my original game, excluding the ending. On Tuesday then, I will complete episode five using my original save, and dedicate the successive hour and a half to staring at the ceiling and questioning life. Last but far from least, I'll pop in the save I created on Sunday, AND MAYBE NOT FAIL AT SAVING HARVEY DENT!
This way, I'll stay true to my decisions, and reap what I sowed. Kind of. At the least, my first and most raw experience will pertain to my poor judgement calls. Ultimately, when I feel dead inside afterwards, I'll receive my second chance. It really seems like things will end better in the Wayne Enterprise ending for Harvey, so I'll definitely cheat and take this as canon in ahem the eventual release of Season 2? ahem I mean, my Bruce supported him whenever possible, Harvey is not physically mutilated, the presence of tech offers a miniscule opportunity of obtaining unaltered DNA and providing an individualized cure, and my Batman is still idolized by Harvey!
This game can't end! I couldn't be more excited for the finale though. I feel that this will be a good one. Powerful, one of the greats.
EDIT: Holy hell, why does everything I say turn into an essay?
The choice bugs are really unfortunate. I don't feel that you'd have to do everything possible for Harvey to redeem him, but the campaign choice will probably contribute in some way. I wish you the best of luck on your journey!
Well depending on how public everything is one option is lying like hell about everything. Shouldn't be too out of character for Bruce.
I… more really hope you don't have to choose exactly the right helping Harvey decisions for everything since my game kind of forgot that I totally supported Harvey's campaign. And thinks I beat at least one person up. And thinks I gave Vicki Montoya's name even though I thought "she owes me" referred to her owing Batman for saving her at the debate. But probably only that first one will impact Harvey.
who here feels like that there's a chance to redeem either Oswald or Harvey depending on who u didn't take down at the end of episode 4 like in the sneak peek u see a valuable scene In the past between Bruce and Harvey before they became enemies and this happens if you let him brun down your home and I'm guessing if u stop Harvey and let penguin hack your tech u will have a seen with Oswald maybe when you were children and then it goes to the present and I'm guessing or well hoping there maybe a chance to redeem who ever you let go cause with Oswald I see where he is coming from like his land was stolen but he did go overboard but still I think it might be cool to redeem him.
who here feels like that there's a chance to redeem either Oswald or Harvey depending on who u didn't take down at the end of episode 4 lik… moree in the sneak peek u see a valuable scene In the past between Bruce and Harvey before they became enemies and this happens if you let him brun down your home and I'm guessing if u stop Harvey and let penguin hack your tech u will have a seen with Oswald maybe when you were children and then it goes to the present and I'm guessing or well hoping there maybe a chance to redeem who ever you let go cause with Oswald I see where he is coming from like his land was stolen but he did go overboard but still I think it might be cool to redeem him.
How can it be too late for Oz but not Harvey?
Harvey blew up an entire city block and burned down Wayne manor.
We've literally scene Oz kill TWO people.
Not that he's completely innocent but Oswald's crimes are mild compared to Harvey.
The only reason Harvey is "Two-Face" is because he already had a split personally type disorder in the past, but he managed to control it. After the drug, it made it return even worst, and even more worst if he was scarred. Its not really Harvey, the drug is what made him do these things. Obviously he couldn't go away innocent but it wasnt his fault. Oz is not drugged or anything and he still chose to do the things he did. He is also why Harvey even became Two Face.
The only reason Harvey is "Two-Face" is because he already had a split personally type disorder in the past, but he managed to control it. A… morefter the drug, it made it return even worst, and even more worst if he was scarred. Its not really Harvey, the drug is what made him do these things. Obviously he couldn't go away innocent but it wasnt his fault. Oz is not drugged or anything and he still chose to do the things he did. He is also why Harvey even became Two Face.
I just want to jump in here, if that's okay. Objectively speaking, Harvey has done much worse than Oz. His act of burning down a city block, for example, was much more vile and extensive than anything Oz has been alluded to doing. Due to Harvey's lack of control, it's easier for most players to sympathize with him. And while Bruce indirectly played a hand in the destruction and benefiting of Oz's misfortune, his influence over Harvey's state was much more direct. The guilt complex can kind of make him more sympathetic, at the least.
Oz has his composure entirely, which makes his disagreeable actions all the more jarring. His and Vicki's stunts at the debate even led to the worsening of Harvey's condition. Despite all of this, I agree that Oz is very much redeemable. He's not evil. Some of his actions were unnecessary, to put it mildly, but it's done for his cause. I find the dedication to his conviction to be pretty admirable, and justified, due to the circumstances in Gotham. Still, I wouldn't say that I "like" Oz. I sympathize with him, and I don't think he's past redemption, but I don't like him. I'll atone the guy if possible. Sorry for butting in.
I just want to jump in here, if that's okay. Objectively speaking, Harvey has done much worse than Oz. His act of burning down a city block,… more for example, was much more vile and extensive than anything Oz has been alluded to doing. Due to Harvey's lack of control, it's easier for most players to sympathize with him. And while Bruce indirectly played a hand in the destruction and benefiting of Oz's misfortune, his influence over Harvey's state was much more direct. The guilt complex can kind of make him more sympathetic, at the least.
Oz has his composure entirely, which makes his disagreeable actions all the more jarring. His and Vicki's stunts at the debate even led to the worsening of Harvey's condition. Despite all of this, I agree that Oz is very much redeemable. He's not evil. Some of his actions were unnecessary, to put it mildly, but it's done for his cause. I find the dedication to his conviction to be pretty admirable, and justifie… [view original content]
I pretty much worship Harvey Dent at this point, so I'd be lying if I said I didn't agree with that point.
I can completely understand how one could find Oz unsympathetic though. The debate was even the moment when I said to myself, "Hey, I reeeeally don't like you" along with a long stream of internal obscenities. I feel like punching the guy in almost every scene at this point. Hill...I can understand that. I'm not quite a fan of the way he handled the guy, but it wouldn't forever taint my image of him. But killing the moderator and multilating Harvey, (especially after his words while under the influence) and proceeding with his impartiality just really made me loathe the guy.
But even with all of that, I can't think of him as evil. He and many others were done majorly wrong, and in no way am I trying to say that that makes his actions appropriate. This entire movement was made with the intent of stopping injustice, and that I can get behind. The group's more terroristic actions? Not really. It's just the knowledge that my family was partially responsible for what he's become, that makes me feel pretty terrible. It was ultimately Oz's decision to decide how to channel his misfortune, but I can't help but regard him with sympathy. This probably isn't the most rational way to go about things, and it kind of conflicts with my disdain of him, but here I am. I'll always try to turn people around if I can, and I'm applying that same state of mind to Oz.
Though really, I'm going to do anything in my power to redeem Harvey before Oz. If I could try both though, I would.
I disagree slightly in that I think Other Guy is just as much who Harvey is as Good Guy Harvey is. I agree that the drug incited Other Guy to push his way to the surface, and maybe Good Guy would have been able to keep him suppressed forever if not for the drug. But Other Guy is Harvey, too, and I think that's what makes his breakdown and willful destruction so much more horrifying and tragic.
Oz may not be so much evil as having an unwavering commitment to his cause. He even says he sees himself not as a pawn, but a soldier. Soldiers do what they are told. They are means to an end, whether the methods are objectively evil, cruel, and destructive. Not that it mitigates his sins, but it does give context to his non-negotiable attitude and coldly (Penguinly) calculated acts.
The only reason Harvey is "Two-Face" is because he already had a split personally type disorder in the past, but he managed to control it. A… morefter the drug, it made it return even worst, and even more worst if he was scarred. Its not really Harvey, the drug is what made him do these things. Obviously he couldn't go away innocent but it wasnt his fault. Oz is not drugged or anything and he still chose to do the things he did. He is also why Harvey even became Two Face.
When I say evil I mean apathetic and remorseless. He has at no point shown that he regrets anything he did or felt it was wrong. Redemption is not possible with that.
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Yeah except before the performance patch those QTE would mean all my troops save Selina would have been killed on the damn beach lol.
Is it too late now to save Harveyyyy
Maybe he took the tonsure?
well i'm creeped out.
HAY BOYZ AND GURLZ, IT'S UR OLD PAL HORVEY DORNT.
After much deliberation, I have finally decided what to do with my life! I mean this game! Is there a difference at this point?
I feel obligated to deal with the consequences of my actions, so on the day of the release, I'll play blindly courtesy of my original save. I was already planning to have a marathon of all of the episodes on Sunday, so I'll do that as well. It will be identical to my original game, excluding the ending. On Tuesday then, I will complete episode five using my original save, and dedicate the successive hour and a half to staring at the ceiling and questioning life. Last but far from least, I'll pop in the save I created on Sunday, AND MAYBE NOT FAIL AT SAVING HARVEY DENT!
This way, I'll stay true to my decisions, and reap what I sowed. Kind of. At the least, my first and most raw experience will pertain to my poor judgement calls. Ultimately, when I feel dead inside afterwards, I'll receive my second chance. It really seems like things will end better in the Wayne Enterprise ending for Harvey, so I'll definitely cheat and take this as canon in ahem the eventual release of Season 2? ahem I mean, my Bruce supported him whenever possible, Harvey is not physically mutilated, the presence of tech offers a miniscule opportunity of obtaining unaltered DNA and providing an individualized cure, and my Batman is still idolized by Harvey!
This game can't end! I couldn't be more excited for the finale though. I feel that this will be a good one. Powerful, one of the greats.
EDIT: Holy hell, why does everything I say turn into an essay?
The choice bugs are really unfortunate. I don't feel that you'd have to do everything possible for Harvey to redeem him, but the campaign choice will probably contribute in some way. I wish you the best of luck on your journey!
WAT? HURRVEY DERNT YOU SAY? GOOD OL' ONE-FACE? WELL I'LL BE DAMNED ITS SEÑOR STEAK-EYES HIMSELF. HOW'D THE ALIEN AUDITION GO?
(we're bored and antsy for the 13th, aren't we)
Though now that I think about it, I suppose he's a little more Predator than Alien
When Australia still hasn't classified the episode and you want to know how high drug use, sex, and violence is
Somebody should photoshop some aviators onto that picture, and add the caption " 'Dat Ass".
Dog I got you
Must... resist... new avatar temptation...
Don't forget the Santa hat if ya do
3 days guys!
Why hasnt Aus rated it? NZ doesnt tell anything properly in their ratings
who here feels like that there's a chance to redeem either Oswald or Harvey depending on who u didn't take down at the end of episode 4 like in the sneak peek u see a valuable scene In the past between Bruce and Harvey before they became enemies and this happens if you let him brun down your home and I'm guessing if u stop Harvey and let penguin hack your tech u will have a seen with Oswald maybe when you were children and then it goes to the present and I'm guessing or well hoping there maybe a chance to redeem who ever you let go cause with Oswald I see where he is coming from like his land was stolen but he did go overboard but still I think it might be cool to redeem him.
I have a confession...
Remember the vote?
It told me to stay with my choices
but
I changed it
covers face with arms
Get 'em!
Harvey maybe but it's too late for Oswald.
How can it be too late for Oz but not Harvey?
Harvey blew up an entire city block and burned down Wayne manor.
We've literally scene Oz kill TWO people.
Not that he's completely innocent but Oswald's crimes are mild compared to Harvey.
Yeah but Harvey has shown mental instability and remorse. Oswald just seems like an evil person.
He's not evil. Oz wants to rid Gotham of corruption.
Well, he is pretty evil while doing so. But I agree that he is redeemable if Harvey is.
You'd be great in the Electoral College.
I knew you'd see it our way. Mua ha!
The only reason Harvey is "Two-Face" is because he already had a split personally type disorder in the past, but he managed to control it. After the drug, it made it return even worst, and even more worst if he was scarred. Its not really Harvey, the drug is what made him do these things. Obviously he couldn't go away innocent but it wasnt his fault. Oz is not drugged or anything and he still chose to do the things he did. He is also why Harvey even became Two Face.
I'm not trying to compare the two, I'm just saying Oz isn't some too far gone monster.
Evil just seems like a really drastic term to label Oz with. I wouldn't even say that Vicki is evil.
I just want to jump in here, if that's okay. Objectively speaking, Harvey has done much worse than Oz. His act of burning down a city block, for example, was much more vile and extensive than anything Oz has been alluded to doing. Due to Harvey's lack of control, it's easier for most players to sympathize with him. And while Bruce indirectly played a hand in the destruction and benefiting of Oz's misfortune, his influence over Harvey's state was much more direct. The guilt complex can kind of make him more sympathetic, at the least.
Oz has his composure entirely, which makes his disagreeable actions all the more jarring. His and Vicki's stunts at the debate even led to the worsening of Harvey's condition. Despite all of this, I agree that Oz is very much redeemable. He's not evil. Some of his actions were unnecessary, to put it mildly, but it's done for his cause. I find the dedication to his conviction to be pretty admirable, and justified, due to the circumstances in Gotham. Still, I wouldn't say that I "like" Oz. I sympathize with him, and I don't think he's past redemption, but I don't like him. I'll atone the guy if possible. Sorry for butting in.
Oz is most definitely a villain. You don't kill in cold blood and walk away like nothing happened. I can sympathize with Harvey more.
I pretty much worship Harvey Dent at this point, so I'd be lying if I said I didn't agree with that point.
I can completely understand how one could find Oz unsympathetic though. The debate was even the moment when I said to myself, "Hey, I reeeeally don't like you" along with a long stream of internal obscenities. I feel like punching the guy in almost every scene at this point. Hill...I can understand that. I'm not quite a fan of the way he handled the guy, but it wouldn't forever taint my image of him. But killing the moderator and multilating Harvey, (especially after his words while under the influence) and proceeding with his impartiality just really made me loathe the guy.
But even with all of that, I can't think of him as evil. He and many others were done majorly wrong, and in no way am I trying to say that that makes his actions appropriate. This entire movement was made with the intent of stopping injustice, and that I can get behind. The group's more terroristic actions? Not really. It's just the knowledge that my family was partially responsible for what he's become, that makes me feel pretty terrible. It was ultimately Oz's decision to decide how to channel his misfortune, but I can't help but regard him with sympathy. This probably isn't the most rational way to go about things, and it kind of conflicts with my disdain of him, but here I am. I'll always try to turn people around if I can, and I'm applying that same state of mind to Oz.
Though really, I'm going to do anything in my power to redeem Harvey before Oz. If I could try both though, I would.
I disagree slightly in that I think Other Guy is just as much who Harvey is as Good Guy Harvey is. I agree that the drug incited Other Guy to push his way to the surface, and maybe Good Guy would have been able to keep him suppressed forever if not for the drug. But Other Guy is Harvey, too, and I think that's what makes his breakdown and willful destruction so much more horrifying and tragic.
Oz may not be so much evil as having an unwavering commitment to his cause. He even says he sees himself not as a pawn, but a soldier. Soldiers do what they are told. They are means to an end, whether the methods are objectively evil, cruel, and destructive. Not that it mitigates his sins, but it does give context to his non-negotiable attitude and coldly (Penguinly) calculated acts.
Looks like i shouldn't have voted then since my vote proved to be pointless.
When I say evil I mean apathetic and remorseless. He has at no point shown that he regrets anything he did or felt it was wrong. Redemption is not possible with that.
Its weird to me that twd s3 is getting a trailer 1st