To be honest, I'm think I'll just to stick with Telltales older titles like TWD S1 and Tales and any future project that's NOT a sequel season. I don't know, kind of feels like ever since Telltale left their old adventure game formula their sequel seasons just seem to be getting worse. Now m, I kind of don't want a Tales from the Borderlands S2 and I never thought I'd say that after I finished it.
TWD ANF doesn't seem awful but there are some nagging issues that keep me out of the experience.
To be honest, I'm think I'll just to stick with Telltales older titles like TWD S1 and Tales and any future project that's NOT a sequel seas… moreon. I don't know, kind of feels like ever since Telltale left their old adventure game formula their sequel seasons just seem to be getting worse. Now m, I kind of don't want a Tales from the Borderlands S2 and I never thought I'd say that after I finished it.
TWD ANF doesn't seem awful but there are some nagging issues that keep me out of the experience.
I disagree, I feel like I could have explained myself much better, but I was letting out nearly 6 months of pent of frustration towards Telltale in the thread so I wasn't thinking completely clearly. I definitely still think the way I do, but I definitely could have explained myself better. Thanks though.
Honestly I would have been fine with the flashback idea, it's a kinda neat idea and if they had done that throughout the ENTIRE season and killed Ken/Jane at the end of it all, I think it would have been 10 times cooler. But it's how they did the flashback that angered me. I decided to go ahead and watch the first episode in it's entirety, and yeah, it wasn't too bad, but it's certainly not very good. But that's just me though.
I liked the inclusion of flashbacks, and I really didn't mind at all that Jane/Kenny bit the dust. I thought it was neat enough I got a different scene from someone else. Not sure what people expected. Pretty good premiere all around.
I think Hannah will call TTG out if she finds out about what happen to Kenny or Jane/the other endings, as for Pewdiepie - he was very critical of Michonne, so I think he might be just as critical with TWD since it is one of his favorite games!
To be honest, I'm hoping for big Youtubers like Pewdiepie, Jacksepticeye, Yogscast Hannah and Cryatoic etc. to continue calling TTG out on t… moreheir bullshit because I've reached the point where I'm sick of it and I'm no longer going to blindly defend it.
One YT(SuzyLu) I saw play that played over and got the Kenny flashback seemed pretty upset at how he got his end. I saw TheRadBrad is doing one but I'm not sure what he thinks of it. Hell, Brad played some crappy games that he ended up liking so who knows.
Pewds will either like TWD S3 or hate it. Honestly, if he canon went with Kenny then I can see him being really disappointed. Also, I expect Hannah to call TWD out on this.
Pewdiepie will hate it and Hannah is very down to earth so i would expect her to hate it too but I think she had the alone ending so she might not talk about it straight away in her vid
It's funny because I just logged in with intention to post my own little rant.
Long story short: The golden era of Telltale Games is long… more over. They were the best in 2012-2014 in my opinion, with TWD Season 1, The Wolf Among Us and Tales from the Borderlands being their best offerings (Drama-Noir-Comedy bundle)
I have to say that I have a lot of mixed feelings towards Telltale since TFTB concluded. I took a look at the credits of TWD S3 and I barely knew any names on the list with an exception of our lord Jared Emerson-Johnson. Other than that, I've got a feeling like the best writers and developers left telltale after TFTB or something. The writing in most of their new games (maybe with an exception of Batman) makes me laugh everytime when I am clearly meant to feel suspension or drama. TWD Michonne was so poorly written that it felt more like a sitcom to me...
Now while TWD S3 overall seems decent so far, I do feel the controversy … [view original content]
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I'm just wondering at how they expected us to give a shit about Javier. We grew up with Clem, we will obviously side with her (I mean, hell, look at the stats!). Decisions like the decision to shoot Comron or whatever it was (I don't even remember his name anymore... S1 + S2 I remember literally all names) or to use Clem as a bargaining chip... I obviously instantly decided to shoot him. I'm not letting anyone use Clem. I didn't even give a shit about that Comron guy. Another example is the decision to stay with clem or go with the family at the end of Ep1... instantly chose to stay with clem... and most people (90%+) chose Clem's side. Instantly backed up Clem in the bar as well. And then the fact that she just feels ... different compared to MY clementine in S2. Shouldn't have let us play as Clem in S2, or should've let us play as Clem in S3.
And what was the point of splitting the episode into two? Season 1 had SINGLE episodes which were about 2 hours long. Season 3 Ep1 and 2 combined was about 1 hour and 35 minutes long. (Yes, both combined. ) Characters in Season 1 connected with me, Season 3 - nope. When people died in S3, I didn't give a shit, maybe the daughter, I forgot her name already, but that's literally it. Give them more screen time at least TellTale...
Damn. These forums are on fire over Kenny's and Jane's deaths.
Honestly I don't know what everyone expected. There were so many different endings in season two, that if you had any familiarity with Telltale, you should have expected these characters to be killed off.
It's not realistic to expect entirely different season threes based on being alone/at Wellington/with Jane/with Kenny. Not to "victim blame" or anything but seriously, if anyone was going into A New Frontier expecting another season of Kenny and Clem, they were a fool from the start.
I actually quite enjoyed my little flashback with Jane. I definitely think her offing herself over pregnancy was in line with her character. Gave a nice little wrap up to season two.
I don't think them not letting Kenny be in every episode is necessarily the issue - he was already in twice as many episodes as any other character apart from Clementine, and he dominated group dynamics for two seasons, which got old for many people quickly. Fans of every character apart from Clem and Kenny had to deal with their favourites going constantly, so I don't think Kenny fans deserve special treatment.
What isn't good is how they handled his death, or even killing him at all.
Seriously, what is your deal? I'd really like just once for me to respond to your comment and not have it turn into a pissing match. You don… more't get to dictate how I feel on the subject nor do you get to dictate when this ends. Of course I'm not going anywhere because I love these forums, I am however no longer interested in this game. You tell me to get over myself, but you're the one on the high horse for no damn reason. I never personally insulted you, nor did I intend to. You don't need to be so rude, man.
ok, ive calmed down, recollected myself and clear my mind and i will apologize a bit. i was too heated when i saw THAT scene. so yeah, now i watched the whole episode and i got to say it was ok. some people here, myself included, are making it seem as its the worst thing ever, not even close. were those flash backs scenes bad? well the ones involving kenny and Jane, yes. goddamn egregious, Kenny's more so. Kenny's was worst than Omid's. which is why i was SO MAD, like it was my nightmare when it came to this season and it happened so i just got so fucking mad, and literally all of my rant was because of that not the entire episode. if i were to grade the episode it would probably a 6-7, and to me thats just not good enough for my favorite series from TT. but yeah in my rant above its just a ultimate heat of the moment. but i will not apoligize completely because some of it still is true.
final thoughts and shit:
i dont like Javier's voice, doenst fit the character imo. but you get used to it.
dont like the how Clem acts, its just doesnt really seem to fit. its like she's an adult. like shes basically trying to stop a big ass car with a strategy that would take her fucking days. i mean she did that all on her own? c'mon how she behaves to full grown ass man that sold her bullets, although i would be just as pissed, but idk if she was older i could see it.
all the other flash backs are actually good, except the jane one but its well done. it just doesnt fit the character and i dont think that her being pregnat is the reason why she would off herself. just dont buy it. the one in wellington was good, just didnt totally liked that they tried to fake us out with the Lori/judith type death. the best one imo is where she's alone with AJ and she loses her finger.
that's it would have to rewatch the episode to really point more shit out. oh some of the dialog is kinda wack.
man im done with Telltale. sorry yall fucked up. i havent played it nor even bought it, i might not buy it cuz yall dont deserve any kind of… more money for this, nor have i finished it. really? yall dont read the forums? yall dont lisent to fans? yall dont care? what is it? this shouldnt have been acceptable, anyone who green lit this should get fired. not sorry at all. that person should get fucking fired for this bullshit. hopefully the rest of the season goes ok and just be done with this series, let it end. i liked S2, there were problems but not once did i feel hate for yall at TT, but this is enough. i havent bought any of the new TT games, only Borderlands because it was so well done but none of the other games have impressed me. GoT? it was ok, Batman? meh, Minecrat? lol yeah right.
now i know i havent explained why im mad but its the same reason EVERYONE IS, that BULLSHIT DEATH. yes DEATH, plural, i havent even watched the Jane one an… [view original content]
After what happened today, I will never trust Telltale about choices mattering ever again. They had a fucking chance to prove themselves, but no, they just always want to do the same thing over again.
I dunno, I feel like it's really rude to just completely give up hope on a polite conversation so easily, and it's kind of unfair to single her out. But then again I've been wrong before. Meh.
I dunno, I feel like it's really rude to just completely give up hope on a polite conversation so easily, and it's kind of unfair to single her out. But then again I've been wrong before. Meh.
After what happened today, I will never trust Telltale about choices mattering ever again. They had a fucking chance to prove themselves, but no, they just always want to do the same thing over again.
However, there are the people that because of how much we saw Kenny, we got extremely emotionally attached to him. I can honestly say Kenny has gotten the most development over any other character in the series. I get it was sad to see the other characters go, but they were never really as big a character as Kenny. Some people don't like him, some people (me) love him. He has been in 9 (10 if you count Ties That Bind) episodes and deserved a hell of a lot better than a motherfucking car crash.
I don't think them not letting Kenny be in every episode is necessarily the issue - he was already in twice as many episodes as any other ch… morearacter apart from Clementine, and he dominated group dynamics for two seasons, which got old for many people quickly. Fans of every character apart from Clem and Kenny had to deal with their favourites going constantly, so I don't think Kenny fans deserve special treatment.
What isn't good is how they handled his death, or even killing him at all.
I definitely agree. I hate Kenny's character but the dude had a good heart and deserved way better than that. Breaking his spine from a car accident is stupid. He deserved so much better.
However, there are the people that because of how much we saw Kenny, we got extremely emotionally attached to him. I can honestly say Kenny … morehas gotten the most development over any other character in the series. I get it was sad to see the other characters go, but they were never really as big a character as Kenny. Some people don't like him, some people (me) love him. He has been in 9 (10 if you count Ties That Bind) episodes and deserved a hell of a lot better than a motherfucking car crash.
People have gotten extremely emotionally attached to other characters too, and have had to deal with their loss.
I'm not saying the car crash death was well done, but in a game that's like the Walking Dead, loss is a massive part of the narrative, and it feels weird that some fans got to have their favourite character around for twice as many episodes as any other. I don't want to call it favouritism, but it's not balanced.
And that's not to mention the fact that his constant presence was detrimental not only to his own development but to that of other characters. You say he's got the most development of any character in the series, but was he really developed in season 2? Telltale just took the easy way out and more or less repeated his season 1 arc, which actually ended up pretty neatly on its own.
The worst impact was that it limited the development of other characters. In season 1, but to a greater extent season 2, almost all conflict in the group was in some way about Kenny. That's great if you love Kenny, but not really fair for those who aren't his biggest fan, of which there are a lot, and not fair to those who enjoy other characters, who weren't developed as Kenny was the focus. We barely got to see the reaction of Rebecca to Alvin's death and Luke to Nick's because Telltale wanted to focus on Kenny and Sarita all the time.
I don't think concluding his time in the spotlight is inherently bad, but I absolutely agree that his death was poorly handled, as was Jane's.
However, there are the people that because of how much we saw Kenny, we got extremely emotionally attached to him. I can honestly say Kenny … morehas gotten the most development over any other character in the series. I get it was sad to see the other characters go, but they were never really as big a character as Kenny. Some people don't like him, some people (me) love him. He has been in 9 (10 if you count Ties That Bind) episodes and deserved a hell of a lot better than a motherfucking car crash.
I don't think them not letting Kenny be in every episode is necessarily the issue - he was already in twice as many episodes as any other ch… morearacter apart from Clementine, and he dominated group dynamics for two seasons, which got old for many people quickly. Fans of every character apart from Clem and Kenny had to deal with their favourites going constantly, so I don't think Kenny fans deserve special treatment.
What isn't good is how they handled his death, or even killing him at all.
But then we're back to the point where all your choices matter! These bastards had 2 and half years to make this game, yet it seems like this was thrown together in around 3 months. 2.5 years is plenty of time to make a story tailored to Kenny that keeps him alive for the people who love Kenny. It's plenty of time to make a story tailored to Jane that keeps her alive for the people who love Jane. It's plenty of time to make a story tailored to Clementine being alone to the people who wanted it that way! It may as well be written on the fucking wall. These. Choices. Don't. Matter. They don't give a fuck about who we saved at the end of 205, just go ahead and kill them off in the dumbest fashion in a 90 second flashback. It's BULLSHIT!
People have gotten extremely emotionally attached to other characters too, and have had to deal with their loss.
I'm not saying the car c… morerash death was well done, but in a game that's like the Walking Dead, loss is a massive part of the narrative, and it feels weird that some fans got to have their favourite character around for twice as many episodes as any other. I don't want to call it favouritism, but it's not balanced.
And that's not to mention the fact that his constant presence was detrimental not only to his own development but to that of other characters. You say he's got the most development of any character in the series, but was he really developed in season 2? Telltale just took the easy way out and more or less repeated his season 1 arc, which actually ended up pretty neatly on its own.
The worst impact was that it limited the development of other characters. In season 1, but to a greater extent season 2, almost all con… [view original content]
I kind of agree and I kind of don't agree. I think Telltale certainly has been a bit shaky for awhile, ever since I finished The Wolf Among Us I find all their games to either be enjoyable at best or just flat out bad. I'm defending A New Frontier currently, but to me it's still just enjoyable.
Telltale needs to get back on their feet. They need to put back the passion in their games that went into The Walking Dead Season 1 and The Wolf Among Us. I haven't felt that same level of passion in any of their games since then, including the much beloved Tales from the Borderlands
We need to remember that they haven't constantly been working on TWD during the past two years, they've been doing other projects (though yes it would have been nice if Kenny and Jane were more involved)
But then we're back to the point where all your choices matter! These bastards had 2 and half years to make this game, yet it seems like thi… mores was thrown together in around 3 months. 2.5 years is plenty of time to make a story tailored to Kenny that keeps him alive for the people who love Kenny. It's plenty of time to make a story tailored to Jane that keeps her alive for the people who love Jane. It's plenty of time to make a story tailored to Clementine being alone to the people who wanted it that way! It may as well be written on the fucking wall. These. Choices. Don't. Matter. They don't give a fuck about who we saved at the end of 205, just go ahead and kill them off in the dumbest fashion in a 90 second flashback. It's BULLSHIT!
I thought there was a whole big fuss about how the number of current projects doesn't effect each other's progress? At least that's what numerous people have told me.
We need to remember that they haven't constantly been working on TWD during the past two years, they've been doing other projects (though yes it would have been nice if Kenny and Jane were more involved)
I'd like to take a second to say (since I really didn't make it clear in my original post) that it's not just Kenny/Jane I'm upset about. There seems to be a lot of confusion leading to people thinking that Kenny/Jane's fates are all I'm angry about, when really they just set me off from a long list of other bad things which I mentioned above, and that confusion leads to people only talking about K/J's fate and none of the other issues I'd like us to touch upon.. I didn't intend to make this chat a Walking Dead thing, because if I had I would have put it in the TWD section. Just wanted to say so in case there was any confusion.
EDIT: This isn't to say that you're not allowed to talk about ANF here, by all means go ahead, I have no right to stop you. Just wanted to say so.
I another problem I have with telltale (which is aimed at ANF of course) is that there focusing to much on newcomers. Like most of the choices aren't even hard to make they're no brainers for most who are biased towards Clementine (which are a lot) I'm considering making a thread on this.
Id say the same, Kenny and Jane was a really stupid thing to happen but that wasnt it. Personally I think ANF would have been better if Clem just wasnt involved.
I'd like to take a second to say (since I really didn't make it clear in my original post) that it's not just Kenny/Jane I'm upset about. Th… moreere seems to be a lot of confusion leading to people thinking that Kenny/Jane's fates are all I'm angry about, when really they just set me off from a long list of other bad things which I mentioned above, and that confusion leads to people only talking about K/J's fate and none of the other issues I'd like us to touch upon.. I didn't intend to make this chat a Walking Dead thing, because if I had I would have put it in the TWD section. Just wanted to say so in case there was any confusion.
EDIT: This isn't to say that you're not allowed to talk about ANF here, by all means go ahead, I have no right to stop you. Just wanted to say so.
I another problem I have with telltale (which is aimed at ANF of course) is that there focusing to much on newcomers. Like most of the choic… morees aren't even hard to make they're no brainers for most who are biased towards Clementine (which are a lot) I'm considering making a thread on this.
I love Telltale. And with the exception of Walking Dead Michonne, I have enjoyed their games post season 1 of walking dead. However if there is one consistent problem with their games( at least on the last gen consoles, but with Batman its a problem on every platform), is that their games are a technical mess, to the point where now its inexcusable this problem persists. Everything was well and good when I bought the PS4 versions of the earlier games like Wolf S1 and S2 of The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, but with Batman the technical issues were annoying. Not something to ruin my experience, but its baffling that this problem continues to exists.
People seem to be complaining about ANF based on just the flashbacks, yet they don't seem to point out how much effort Telltale and its writers put into making believable and likable characters for this new season. I mean sure, the flashbacks were a bit rushed, but would you have preferred to spend 20-30 minutes playing through a flashback scene, which would have sucked the tension right out of the current plot in ANF? Would you have preferred Telltale drag out these characters just to remind everyone that "Hey, your choices actually do matter, guys!"? Telltale already put a ton of effort into ANF, and the new characters that they've introduced are well done, and Clementine's transformation into a true survivor is badass, so I feel that cancels out the flashback business. Would you have preferred they made the new plot shit, but instead spent all their time into making sure that people who can't let go of the past get their amazing flashback scenes? I, personally, love ANF, and it's baffling to me how most of you guys bash the shit out of it based on one fucking scene.
I mean sure, the flashbacks were a bit rushed, but would you have preferred to spend 20-30 minutes playing through a flashback scene, which would have sucked the tension right out of the current plot in ANF?
Yes. But that's just me.
and it's baffling to me how most of you guys bash the shit out of it based on one fucking scene.
Actually out of sheer boredom I watched the entire episode and I didn't like it even then. I thought it was too short, rushed, weird in some places and didn't explain enough. But again, as I said, that's just me. This entire thread is subjective, including my thoughts on the matter. I never claimed my feelings to be factual, so these feelings are just me.
People seem to be complaining about ANF based on just the flashbacks, yet they don't seem to point out how much effort Telltale and its writ… moreers put into making believable and likable characters for this new season. I mean sure, the flashbacks were a bit rushed, but would you have preferred to spend 20-30 minutes playing through a flashback scene, which would have sucked the tension right out of the current plot in ANF? Would you have preferred Telltale drag out these characters just to remind everyone that "Hey, your choices actually do matter, guys!"? Telltale already put a ton of effort into ANF, and the new characters that they've introduced are well done, and Clementine's transformation into a true survivor is badass, so I feel that cancels out the flashback business. Would you have preferred they made the new plot shit, but instead spent all their time into making sure that people who can't let go of the past get their amazing flashback… [view original content]
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually liked Kenny in S2. Looking back, I didn't really care for much of S2 itself, since it seemed like none of the characters or interactions ultimately mattered whatsoever, but I loved how Kenny progressed. He'd watched his family suffer, fought to bring it back, and had to watch them suffer all over again. I totally get why they went the broken, angry Kenny route; it made a lot of sense for him.
Jane, on the other hand... I just never could stand her. I have no idea why people ever sided with her. Like, yeah, she doesn't have to like Kenny, or even think he's a good role model for Clem or anything. But SPOILERS for those who haven't gotten into S2 for whatever reason
she straight up stole AJ, and pretended he was dead, by her hand or otherwise, just to show Clem that Kenny was aggressive? Like... what? No duh he was aggressive! Who, in that situation, wouldn't be pissed off? I can't blame a character like Kenny, with the past he had, for being lost in rage. You just don't push a persons' buttons like that, not in such a severe, psychotic way.
As for how Telltale is handling Kenny/Jane in S3... I'm on the side of "well that was awful writing". You don't take a know-it-all type like Jane, who's willing to accept and push for what she thinks is reality, then just throw it away because you're suddenly too weak for your own reality. And with Kenny... like, the guy's had enough shit thrown at him, time and time again, and Telltale gave you a clear option to make it happy, even for a short while. Then they just tear it away, and for what? To give us an "edgy" Clem who's going out of her way to pretend like Lee's lessons and advice never mattered to her? (I also find it interesting how her needing a vehicle, if you take the Kenny route (not sure if it's different with Jane), is supposed to be some big secret, when it seems pretty obvious that she's trying to get where Kenny was going.)
More than anything, I think I just found these two S3 episodes to be way too predictable. They're taking people out, left and right, and I can't tell if I'm supposed to be invested yet (only one death bummed me out (didn't surprise me, mind you; the way the scene played out, it was too obvious it was about to happen); the others, I either hoped would happen, or couldn't care enough to be bothered by it happening). I like the kinda nice-guy Javier, even if his story and character is simple as well; helps that the voice acting is, IMO, top notch for him.
I'll keep playing, since I bought the season already. But I feel like Telltale is really gonna have to make a strong showing in the next few episodes to keep me invested.
The thing is Jane didn't mean anything to me and neither did S2 Kenny, so their shitty deaths didn't bother me and I felt like the way those… more deaths were handled were Telltale acknowledging that S2 Kenny and Jane were both terribly written characters in a meta sense but that's kind of an interpretation. I honestly didn't care, I found it hilarious.
I respect that you didn't enjoy the episodes, I just found it crazy how most of the people on this thread hate this season because of one flashback in the first episode.
I mean sure, the flashbacks were a bit rushed, but would you have preferred to spend 20-30 minutes playing through a flashback scene, which … morewould have sucked the tension right out of the current plot in ANF?
Yes. But that's just me.
and it's baffling to me how most of you guys bash the shit out of it based on one fucking scene.
Actually out of sheer boredom I watched the entire episode and I didn't like it even then. I thought it was too short, rushed, weird in some places and didn't explain enough. But again, as I said, that's just me. This entire thread is subjective, including my thoughts on the matter. I never claimed my feelings to be factual, so these feelings are just me.
Season 3, episode 1 was about 1 hour, and 25 minutes long. Episode 2 was about 1 hour, and 10 minutes long. You add those together, and you get 2 hours and 35 minutes. So, Ties That Bind, both Part One and Part Two, was about 2 hours and 35 minutes long. In the future, make sure you're at least semi-decent at math before you post something like this, okay?
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I'm just wondering at how they expected us to give a shit about Javier. We grew up with Clem, we will obviously side with her (I … moremean, hell, look at the stats!). Decisions like the decision to shoot Comron or whatever it was (I don't even remember his name anymore... S1 + S2 I remember literally all names) or to use Clem as a bargaining chip... I obviously instantly decided to shoot him. I'm not letting anyone use Clem. I didn't even give a shit about that Comron guy. Another example is the decision to stay with clem or go with the family at the end of Ep1... instantly chose to stay with clem... and most people (90%+) chose Clem's side. Instantly backed up Clem in the bar as well. And then the fact that she just feels ... different compared to MY clementine in S2. Shouldn't have let us play as Clem in S2, or should've let us play as Clem in S3.
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To be honest, I'm think I'll just to stick with Telltales older titles like TWD S1 and Tales and any future project that's NOT a sequel season. I don't know, kind of feels like ever since Telltale left their old adventure game formula their sequel seasons just seem to be getting worse. Now m, I kind of don't want a Tales from the Borderlands S2 and I never thought I'd say that after I finished it.
TWD ANF doesn't seem awful but there are some nagging issues that keep me out of the experience.
This, my friends, is exactly why I don't a Wolf Among Us or Tales from Borderlands season 2.
I disagree, I feel like I could have explained myself much better, but I was letting out nearly 6 months of pent of frustration towards Telltale in the thread so I wasn't thinking completely clearly. I definitely still think the way I do, but I definitely could have explained myself better. Thanks though.
Honestly I would have been fine with the flashback idea, it's a kinda neat idea and if they had done that throughout the ENTIRE season and killed Ken/Jane at the end of it all, I think it would have been 10 times cooler. But it's how they did the flashback that angered me. I decided to go ahead and watch the first episode in it's entirety, and yeah, it wasn't too bad, but it's certainly not very good. But that's just me though.
I think Hannah will call TTG out if she finds out about what happen to Kenny or Jane/the other endings, as for Pewdiepie - he was very critical of Michonne, so I think he might be just as critical with TWD since it is one of his favorite games!
I think they both had the Alone Ending, I expect both to be disappointed with how little the alone ending seems to affect the story though.
Spoiler tags or something would have been nice.
To be fair, I posted in the initial post that there would be major ANF spoilers. That would include comments.
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I'm just wondering at how they expected us to give a shit about Javier. We grew up with Clem, we will obviously side with her (I mean, hell, look at the stats!). Decisions like the decision to shoot Comron or whatever it was (I don't even remember his name anymore... S1 + S2 I remember literally all names) or to use Clem as a bargaining chip... I obviously instantly decided to shoot him. I'm not letting anyone use Clem. I didn't even give a shit about that Comron guy. Another example is the decision to stay with clem or go with the family at the end of Ep1... instantly chose to stay with clem... and most people (90%+) chose Clem's side. Instantly backed up Clem in the bar as well. And then the fact that she just feels ... different compared to MY clementine in S2. Shouldn't have let us play as Clem in S2, or should've let us play as Clem in S3.
And what was the point of splitting the episode into two? Season 1 had SINGLE episodes which were about 2 hours long. Season 3 Ep1 and 2 combined was about 1 hour and 35 minutes long. (Yes, both combined. ) Characters in Season 1 connected with me, Season 3 - nope. When people died in S3, I didn't give a shit, maybe the daughter, I forgot her name already, but that's literally it. Give them more screen time at least TellTale...
Damn. These forums are on fire over Kenny's and Jane's deaths.
Honestly I don't know what everyone expected. There were so many different endings in season two, that if you had any familiarity with Telltale, you should have expected these characters to be killed off.
It's not realistic to expect entirely different season threes based on being alone/at Wellington/with Jane/with Kenny. Not to "victim blame" or anything but seriously, if anyone was going into A New Frontier expecting another season of Kenny and Clem, they were a fool from the start.
I actually quite enjoyed my little flashback with Jane. I definitely think her offing herself over pregnancy was in line with her character. Gave a nice little wrap up to season two.
I whole heartedly agree. I'll continue the series, but nothing will be the same without Kenny.
Well the salt is more than enough to quench his hunger.
I don't think them not letting Kenny be in every episode is necessarily the issue - he was already in twice as many episodes as any other character apart from Clementine, and he dominated group dynamics for two seasons, which got old for many people quickly. Fans of every character apart from Clem and Kenny had to deal with their favourites going constantly, so I don't think Kenny fans deserve special treatment.
What isn't good is how they handled his death, or even killing him at all.
God rest Kenneth's soul. One of the many casualties of anticlimax and cars.
Dude, it's never worth it with Cope.
ok, ive calmed down, recollected myself and clear my mind and i will apologize a bit. i was too heated when i saw THAT scene. so yeah, now i watched the whole episode and i got to say it was ok. some people here, myself included, are making it seem as its the worst thing ever, not even close. were those flash backs scenes bad? well the ones involving kenny and Jane, yes. goddamn egregious, Kenny's more so. Kenny's was worst than Omid's. which is why i was SO MAD, like it was my nightmare when it came to this season and it happened so i just got so fucking mad, and literally all of my rant was because of that not the entire episode. if i were to grade the episode it would probably a 6-7, and to me thats just not good enough for my favorite series from TT. but yeah in my rant above its just a ultimate heat of the moment. but i will not apoligize completely because some of it still is true.
final thoughts and shit:
that's it would have to rewatch the episode to really point more shit out. oh some of the dialog is kinda wack.
After what happened today, I will never trust Telltale about choices mattering ever again. They had a fucking chance to prove themselves, but no, they just always want to do the same thing over again.
I dunno, I feel like it's really rude to just completely give up hope on a polite conversation so easily, and it's kind of unfair to single her out. But then again I've been wrong before. Meh.
She posts stuff like this all the time, sometimes polite conversations just can't happen with some people.
You'll still be playing their games though.
Yes. Because they make great stories. Yeesh
Just seems a little hypocritical considering you've shat on them constantly since ANF has released, lol.
However, there are the people that because of how much we saw Kenny, we got extremely emotionally attached to him. I can honestly say Kenny has gotten the most development over any other character in the series. I get it was sad to see the other characters go, but they were never really as big a character as Kenny. Some people don't like him, some people (me) love him. He has been in 9 (10 if you count Ties That Bind) episodes and deserved a hell of a lot better than a motherfucking car crash.
I definitely agree. I hate Kenny's character but the dude had a good heart and deserved way better than that. Breaking his spine from a car accident is stupid. He deserved so much better.
People have gotten extremely emotionally attached to other characters too, and have had to deal with their loss.
I'm not saying the car crash death was well done, but in a game that's like the Walking Dead, loss is a massive part of the narrative, and it feels weird that some fans got to have their favourite character around for twice as many episodes as any other. I don't want to call it favouritism, but it's not balanced.
And that's not to mention the fact that his constant presence was detrimental not only to his own development but to that of other characters. You say he's got the most development of any character in the series, but was he really developed in season 2? Telltale just took the easy way out and more or less repeated his season 1 arc, which actually ended up pretty neatly on its own.
The worst impact was that it limited the development of other characters. In season 1, but to a greater extent season 2, almost all conflict in the group was in some way about Kenny. That's great if you love Kenny, but not really fair for those who aren't his biggest fan, of which there are a lot, and not fair to those who enjoy other characters, who weren't developed as Kenny was the focus. We barely got to see the reaction of Rebecca to Alvin's death and Luke to Nick's because Telltale wanted to focus on Kenny and Sarita all the time.
I don't think concluding his time in the spotlight is inherently bad, but I absolutely agree that his death was poorly handled, as was Jane's.
Yup, if Kenny HAD to die or Jane HAD to die, it could have been done so much better.
But then we're back to the point where all your choices matter! These bastards had 2 and half years to make this game, yet it seems like this was thrown together in around 3 months. 2.5 years is plenty of time to make a story tailored to Kenny that keeps him alive for the people who love Kenny. It's plenty of time to make a story tailored to Jane that keeps her alive for the people who love Jane. It's plenty of time to make a story tailored to Clementine being alone to the people who wanted it that way! It may as well be written on the fucking wall. These. Choices. Don't. Matter. They don't give a fuck about who we saved at the end of 205, just go ahead and kill them off in the dumbest fashion in a 90 second flashback. It's BULLSHIT!
I kind of agree and I kind of don't agree. I think Telltale certainly has been a bit shaky for awhile, ever since I finished The Wolf Among Us I find all their games to either be enjoyable at best or just flat out bad. I'm defending A New Frontier currently, but to me it's still just enjoyable.
Telltale needs to get back on their feet. They need to put back the passion in their games that went into The Walking Dead Season 1 and The Wolf Among Us. I haven't felt that same level of passion in any of their games since then, including the much beloved Tales from the Borderlands
We need to remember that they haven't constantly been working on TWD during the past two years, they've been doing other projects (though yes it would have been nice if Kenny and Jane were more involved)
I thought there was a whole big fuss about how the number of current projects doesn't effect each other's progress? At least that's what numerous people have told me.
I'd like to take a second to say (since I really didn't make it clear in my original post) that it's not just Kenny/Jane I'm upset about. There seems to be a lot of confusion leading to people thinking that Kenny/Jane's fates are all I'm angry about, when really they just set me off from a long list of other bad things which I mentioned above, and that confusion leads to people only talking about K/J's fate and none of the other issues I'd like us to touch upon.. I didn't intend to make this chat a Walking Dead thing, because if I had I would have put it in the TWD section. Just wanted to say so in case there was any confusion.
EDIT: This isn't to say that you're not allowed to talk about ANF here, by all means go ahead, I have no right to stop you. Just wanted to say so.
I another problem I have with telltale (which is aimed at ANF of course) is that there focusing to much on newcomers. Like most of the choices aren't even hard to make they're no brainers for most who are biased towards Clementine (which are a lot) I'm considering making a thread on this.
Id say the same, Kenny and Jane was a really stupid thing to happen but that wasnt it. Personally I think ANF would have been better if Clem just wasnt involved.
Yup, I really dont like the whole "New Comer thing" the vast majority of players already played season 1 and 2. Why punish those players?
Also I guess the 42 clusters was a lie.
I love Telltale. And with the exception of Walking Dead Michonne, I have enjoyed their games post season 1 of walking dead. However if there is one consistent problem with their games( at least on the last gen consoles, but with Batman its a problem on every platform), is that their games are a technical mess, to the point where now its inexcusable this problem persists. Everything was well and good when I bought the PS4 versions of the earlier games like Wolf S1 and S2 of The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones, but with Batman the technical issues were annoying. Not something to ruin my experience, but its baffling that this problem continues to exists.
People seem to be complaining about ANF based on just the flashbacks, yet they don't seem to point out how much effort Telltale and its writers put into making believable and likable characters for this new season. I mean sure, the flashbacks were a bit rushed, but would you have preferred to spend 20-30 minutes playing through a flashback scene, which would have sucked the tension right out of the current plot in ANF? Would you have preferred Telltale drag out these characters just to remind everyone that "Hey, your choices actually do matter, guys!"? Telltale already put a ton of effort into ANF, and the new characters that they've introduced are well done, and Clementine's transformation into a true survivor is badass, so I feel that cancels out the flashback business. Would you have preferred they made the new plot shit, but instead spent all their time into making sure that people who can't let go of the past get their amazing flashback scenes? I, personally, love ANF, and it's baffling to me how most of you guys bash the shit out of it based on one fucking scene.
Yes. But that's just me.
Actually out of sheer boredom I watched the entire episode and I didn't like it even then. I thought it was too short, rushed, weird in some places and didn't explain enough. But again, as I said, that's just me. This entire thread is subjective, including my thoughts on the matter. I never claimed my feelings to be factual, so these feelings are just me.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually liked Kenny in S2. Looking back, I didn't really care for much of S2 itself, since it seemed like none of the characters or interactions ultimately mattered whatsoever, but I loved how Kenny progressed. He'd watched his family suffer, fought to bring it back, and had to watch them suffer all over again. I totally get why they went the broken, angry Kenny route; it made a lot of sense for him.
Jane, on the other hand... I just never could stand her. I have no idea why people ever sided with her. Like, yeah, she doesn't have to like Kenny, or even think he's a good role model for Clem or anything. But SPOILERS for those who haven't gotten into S2 for whatever reason
she straight up stole AJ, and pretended he was dead, by her hand or otherwise, just to show Clem that Kenny was aggressive? Like... what? No duh he was aggressive! Who, in that situation, wouldn't be pissed off? I can't blame a character like Kenny, with the past he had, for being lost in rage. You just don't push a persons' buttons like that, not in such a severe, psychotic way.
As for how Telltale is handling Kenny/Jane in S3... I'm on the side of "well that was awful writing". You don't take a know-it-all type like Jane, who's willing to accept and push for what she thinks is reality, then just throw it away because you're suddenly too weak for your own reality. And with Kenny... like, the guy's had enough shit thrown at him, time and time again, and Telltale gave you a clear option to make it happy, even for a short while. Then they just tear it away, and for what? To give us an "edgy" Clem who's going out of her way to pretend like Lee's lessons and advice never mattered to her? (I also find it interesting how her needing a vehicle, if you take the Kenny route (not sure if it's different with Jane), is supposed to be some big secret, when it seems pretty obvious that she's trying to get where Kenny was going.)
More than anything, I think I just found these two S3 episodes to be way too predictable. They're taking people out, left and right, and I can't tell if I'm supposed to be invested yet (only one death bummed me out (didn't surprise me, mind you; the way the scene played out, it was too obvious it was about to happen); the others, I either hoped would happen, or couldn't care enough to be bothered by it happening). I like the kinda nice-guy Javier, even if his story and character is simple as well; helps that the voice acting is, IMO, top notch for him.
I'll keep playing, since I bought the season already. But I feel like Telltale is really gonna have to make a strong showing in the next few episodes to keep me invested.
I respect that you didn't enjoy the episodes, I just found it crazy how most of the people on this thread hate this season because of one flashback in the first episode.
Season 3, episode 1 was about 1 hour, and 25 minutes long. Episode 2 was about 1 hour, and 10 minutes long. You add those together, and you get 2 hours and 35 minutes. So, Ties That Bind, both Part One and Part Two, was about 2 hours and 35 minutes long. In the future, make sure you're at least semi-decent at math before you post something like this, okay?