Do you think Celebrities who make anti-gay remarks should be made to apologize?
Before I start, I want to be very clear that I am completely aware that this is a very controversial issue. And I do believe it can be discussed, and that it can be discussed in a completely civil and respectful way.
So with that being said, I would ask that we restrict the comments to the topic at hand, and avoid at all costs any kind of personal insults between users.
Personally, I don't think that they should be made to apologize for making anti-gay remarks. Under the First Amendment they have the right to free speech, as well as freedom of religion, and the right to practice those Freedom's however they see fit.
The first Amendment does not protect the rights of homosexuals, but it does protect the right to free speech, and freedom of religion; and the practice thereof.
If someone is not for homosexuality, then that should be their choice. Nobody should have the right to try to force them or pressure them into accepting something that their consciences forbade. Or to condemn them for speaking and acting according to their consciences. To do so goes against the spirit of the Constitution!
Now I personally am not for people being bullied, and that goes both ways. I'm not for straight people bullying homosexuals, yet I'm also against homosexuals bullying straight people; as bullying is a two-way street.
In short, I don't believe anyone should be chastised for their beliefs; and the expression of said beliefs, but I am not in favor of people trying to shove their beliefs down the throat of another. And just to be clear, their is a huge difference between expressing one's beliefs, and shoving them down the throat of another.
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I agree. They should be able to say what they want
Although I am fully supportive and understanding of the LGBT community, I hate having to apologise for saying something thats barely offensive. You should be able to express yourself and your beliefs
None are 'made' to apoligise. They speak their opinion (as is their right), people react to it (as is very much also their right), and they can choose to defend it or apologise (as is their right).
People have just as much a right to disagree with those celebrities as they have the right to express their opinion in the first place.
If they don't apologise, and people think as a result they're not the kind of person they like? That's their opinion. They have a right to it.
People really seem to forget that there is just as much a right to criticise their opinion as there is to express it. And if their opinion is criticised they get all offended and play the victim, pretending that those who disagree want to undo the first amendment or something. Because that's easier than actually calmly discussing it with people who don't share the same opinion.
Define 'having' to apologise?
If you just mean people ask you to apologise, doesn't that come under them 'being able to express themselves and their beliefs'? Namely, their personal belief that you should apologise?
Unless the government is compelling them to apologize "the first amendment" isn't an argument.
The government isn't compelling anyone to apologize. Therefore the first amendment isn't being violated.
Free discourse is a two-way street. You have every right to your beliefs and I have every right to express my distain for them. Freedom of speech is safeguard against state coercion, not haters and critics.
Everything is a bit too politically correct now. No one should have to apologize. What happenens is, someone says something, people are offended, uproar and then an apology is demanded/constructed/delivered so the celebrity is not shunned by the public. It's mainly about money. The people putting money behind the celebrity do not want to alienate anoyones money. I'm not down with being a bigot but I'm also not interested in hearing someone apologize for being one if they are.
I'm bisexual/pansexual and I don't think they should 'be forced to' apologise. If they were to apologise I would rather it to were honest and not forced out of them. Although if they're genuine good people they would do.
Also I agree with the fact that bullying and discrimination should not stand for anyone. And us LGBT+ people do experience it more, there are still some cases where it is the other way around and that shouldn't be allowed either. No bullying is okay whatever the reason.
No.
No-one is. It's always their choice.
Whenever someone finds it offensive, they make me apologise or else they will bring it up to the year head(and will most likely exaggerate it). And Im pretty sure it will result in some punishment for abuse or whatever.
Yeah, the place I study at is pretty over the top about 'safe spaces'.
Also most of them wanting Celebrities to apologize are PC Culture dummies and I saw PC culture trying tie the Celebrities past history to get them to accept there ideas of acceptance in this society they created.Unfortunately for them,most of us don't want that and forcing somebody in celebrity or people saying words that don't mean there own way of thinking.Comedians went after this logic and Bill Maher went after it too.We don't need to be a country or society to have people forced to apologize form something they said in the past even if they didn't mean it
Then the only fault lies with the year head if they actually punish you. You aren't being 'made' to apologise by the person who expresses their opinion of the situation to the year head.
Year head? You mean Year ahead? If that's something people have to watch and say cause of the year we live in then that's something we have to go against like we have to challenge PC Culture and say want everybody is saying most of it should be political incorrectness against political correctness.some people use PC culture to get things they want on there own agenda like we should say terrorism in the name of the religion it brought the destruction into the society we are having,right now and I like to use words of political incorrectness like most genius use often in college or universities and if a comedian jokes about gay people or LGBT it's just comedy and most of it is the reason people go have a laugh and doing movies of where PC have damaged and cause in freedom of speech at colleges and universities
I'm talking about the year head. The head of the commenter's year. In school or university. He even referenced them in his comment. You seem to be looking for an excuse to rant about what you think rather than actually calmly responding to what is being discussed.
Why? their entitled to their opinion as anyone else is.
Of course not, If they do so let it be by their own will and not just to save face.
They have a right to their own opinion and people have their own right to disagree, I believe there's room for healthy discussion about this sort of stuff without having to dissolve everything back to calling each other Libtards and Bigots but with respect and understanding.
No one should be forced to apologize, that's against freedom of speech but don't expect them to be immune from any backlash from speaking their mind - you can't expect people to just ignore you if you attempt to vocally slander or insult a group of individuals, especially for something as personal as their sexuality, as that is vocal harassment.
I honestly find it utterly idiotic that people to this day still make negative remarks about peoples' skin tones, ethnicity, beliefs and sexuality.
I agree with you. No one should be forced to apologize. Especially if the apology isn't genuine because it wouldn't mean much. But, if the celebrity experiences backlash such as sponsors distancing themselves, losing a role in a movie/tv show, not being hired in the future by people who disagree with their conduct... well, there are consequences for every action. Everyone is free to say whatever they wish, but you have to be prepared to deal with whatever takes place after the fact.
The hard cold truth is, while I don't think there needs to be any legal backlash if it's just an opinion and not a threat (there's a difference between saying, gay people kissing makes me uncomfortable vs saying you want to kill one on sight), but I think it is up to the community to respond to the opinion in the way they see fit. IE: If you insult your boss they'll probably fire you, so it makes sense that if you say something racist or homophobic, your community might chastise you for it, in the same way that another community might ostracize you for being a certain race of sexuality.
No, freedom of speech.
By the government? Absolutely not. By the general public or press? Well, the general public can't force someone to make an apology for anything they say or do. At the end of the day, we still have the free will to stand by our actions. However, I think the bigger threat to free speech comes from the general public. Look at the way Milo Yiannopoulos' book deal was received. People threatened to boycott Simon and Schuster for simply publishing the book. It's this mindset I disagree with. If you don't like something, don't view it. If you don't like Milo, then you don't have to buy his book. Regardless of what you think of Milo, attempting to stop his book from being published is an act of censorship, because it attempts to stop Milo from using his book as a form of free speech and stops the public from being able to here his views through the book.
The reason I mention this is because expressions that are considered objectionable should not be hidden or censored by ANYONE, whether they be a government or non-government organisation. Whether it be an anti-gay remark or any other viewpoint that is considered intolerant or bigoted, calling for their opinions to be silenced or calling for them to apologize for expressing their opinion is anti-free speech in my opinion.
coming from someone who's into other women, there's no need for apologies unless this person absolutely wants to. but if it's just to keep face with the public so they're not shunned, then stop. the celebrity needs to stop and the circles who shun people need to stop. life is too short for that non sense. not everyone is going to share your beliefs, and to me, that's fine. doesn't mean we need to be at each other's throats. i've more pressing issues in my life.
No . He/She shouldn't.
They shouldn't be made to do anything. But I wouldn't mind seeing their careers bottom out.
No one can tell another person what to do. Unless you are a prisoner for example.
It wouldn't be a real apology if they were forced to do it
Well, no obviously they shouldn't be forced to, because a forced apology isn't an apology at all and there's a thing called free speech. I guess I'm mainly interested in what remarks constitute as anti-gay. If someone says, "It's my personal, private, belief that marriage is a sacred bond between a man and a woman." That's their business. You may disagree with it, I may disagree with it, but we shouldn't expect them to apologize just because of it. That's called bigotry.
So it all depends on the severity of the statement.