No, absolutely not. Most men are naturally stronger than women and with professional sports players, there is a clear difference in raw strength between men and women.
Liberals say conservatives don't believe in science but then they go on and deny the fact that there are only two genders and you are what your chromosomes say you are; it's science. And no, gender is not a social construct.
Acceptance is important, but we shouldn't accept a lifestyle that is in no way natural. This is like asking people to accept a drug addict's lifestyle. It's not healthy nor should it be mainstream to believe it's healthy.
What I'm saying is, men and women are naturally different, and that's a good thing. Women were not born to be everything men are, they were born to be everything men are not.
It really isn't hard? There are simple tests to detect the levels of testosterone and oestrogen in the body. And when testes and ovaries have been removed the body doesn't produce much of those hormones naturally
Quick injection. This also brings up an additional point, that being what is considered the "correct" amount. If they're not created naturally then the amount used is arbitrary and that can easily be abused.
The 'physical differences' between men and women are drastically changed after surgery and hormone therapy. For instance trans men basically grow half a penis on testosterone without any surgery. Muscle mass changes MASSIVELY.
Hormones are powerful, yes.
That's why it was so controversial a few years ago when women were caught using testosterone to win sports games.
It really isn't hard? There are simple tests to detect the levels of testosterone and oestrogen in the body. And when testes and ovaries hav… moree been removed the body doesn't produce much of those hormones naturally.
The 'physical differences' between men and women are drastically changed after surgery and hormone therapy. For instance trans men basically grow half a penis on testosterone without any surgery. Muscle mass changes MASSIVELY.
That's why it was so controversial a few years ago when women were caught using testosterone to win sports games.
This was fun to read. It reminds me of the amazing House quote, "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people." When someone admits they have no interest in basing their beliefs in scientifically accurate information, you cannot convince them with an argument based in reality. You might as well tell them that unicorns love watching trans people play sports, and you can't have any beautiful unicorn fur if you try to prevent that.
So you would say that you believe transwomen are still men for non-scientifically-accurate reasons? You don't think your beliefs are rooted in biology or any scientific discipline? How would you define them then?
There is no lying. It's scientific, and I'd rather you do your research before blurting out what you think. Do you think forcing someone to dress a certain way and to only like and do certain things helps them from committing suicide? It's actually the reverse.
Personally, these types of comments really anger me because you're suggesting now that I need mental help. You may not know this, but I was born intersex, even though I identify as a male. I had no control over how I was born, and neither do they.
Of course a female would be at a disadvantage if she fought a fully grown man. She would likely get the ever-living shit beat out of her. Im… moreagine if Caitlyn Jenner fought a female; what do you think would happen? Bruce would probably feel like a God in the difference between his and the other females strength.
I understand acceptance whole-heartedly, but is it really ok to accept the transgender lifestyle? Is it truthful at all, or are we normalizing lying? These people need mental help, or else they will likely commit suicide; that needs to stop, and we can't allow transgender individuals to kill themselves. Lying to them, and the world doesn't help all.
Your body doesn't care what you identify as.
Transitioning isn't just changing your pronoun. Removing ovaries/testicles changes the … moreway your body develops massively. Hormones change your body greatly - there are any number of scientific journals you can use to research this.
Think about dogs who change their behaviour when neutered. Or eunuchs.
Trans men who used to have ovaries lose regular supply of oestrogen when they are removed. When they take testosterone, in order to get to the stage where its the same level in the body as other men, their body changes greatly. They even grow half a penis due to nothing more than hormones.
In this thread lots of people are refusing to actually engage with scientific research on the subject, and seem to believe that it's possible to compete as a woman in athletic events if you put on a dress and call yourself Linda. That's really, really not how it works.
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You're comparing a drug addict to a transgender. Already it makes your argument invalid.
And sure, there typically is only two SEXES (notice SEX, not GENDER) but there are certain exceptions. I was born with one testicle and one ovary, although I identify as a male. Why can't we just live our lives how we want to without certain conservatives telling us what and what not to do?
A woman shouldn't be forced to be anorexic and put on makeup, nor should a man be forced to play sports and be strong. Maybe you want to force these stereotypes on you, but let others choose the path of their life.
I can't change your views, but you can't tell others what to do. I'm sorry if this came off as aggressive, that was not the intention.
No, absolutely not. Most men are naturally stronger than women and with professional sports players, there is a clear difference in raw stre… morength between men and women.
Liberals say conservatives don't believe in science but then they go on and deny the fact that there are only two genders and you are what your chromosomes say you are; it's science. And no, gender is not a social construct.
Acceptance is important, but we shouldn't accept a lifestyle that is in no way natural. This is like asking people to accept a drug addict's lifestyle. It's not healthy nor should it be mainstream to believe it's healthy.
What I'm saying is, men and women are naturally different, and that's a good thing. Women were not born to be everything men are, they were born to be everything men are not.
This was fun to read. It reminds me of the amazing House quote, "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious peop… morele." When someone admits they have no interest in basing their beliefs in scientifically accurate information, you cannot convince them with an argument based in reality. You might as well tell them that unicorns love watching trans people play sports, and you can't have any beautiful unicorn fur if you try to prevent that.
I wasn't saying Cope49 was necessarily using religion to justify their beliefs, just that the principles behind it are the same as they displayed above ("I don't need scientific reasoning to justify a belief"). Though I would say it isn't unlikely that's what they are doing.
No, I'm comparing two unnatural things with each other. They both shouldn't be pushed into the mainstream as they are very unhealthy for the body.
And sure, there typically is only two SEXES (notice SEX, not GENDER) but there are certain exceptions.
There are only two sexes. There are only two genders: Male and female. Man and woman. Guy and girl, etc., etc.
A woman shouldn't be forced to be anorexic and put on makeup, nor should a man be forced to play sports and be strong. Maybe you want to force these stereotypes on you, but let others choose the path of their life.
Never said she shouldn't be; Anorexia is very unhealthy just like obesity is very unhealthy; none of them should be forced on anyone nor should anyone be forced to not be those things, but people should be taught just how harmful those lifestyles are. We are taught how dangerous drugs are, so we should be taught about anorexia and obesity.
Of course, a woman shouldn't be forced to put on makeup, though it makes them more attractive, IMO.
I was born with one testicle and one ovary, although I identify as a male.
Yours is a special case, though no matter what, you should identify as whatever the hell your chromosomes say. This is in no way me forcing you to, just pointing out the science behind it.
I can't change your views, but you can't tell others what to do. I'm sorry if this came off as aggressive, that was not the intention.
Of course you can't and no, it didn't come off as aggressive.
You're comparing a drug addict to a transgender. Already it makes your argument invalid.
And sure, there typically is only two SEXES (not… moreice SEX, not GENDER) but there are certain exceptions. I was born with one testicle and one ovary, although I identify as a male. Why can't we just live our lives how we want to without certain conservatives telling us what and what not to do?
A woman shouldn't be forced to be anorexic and put on makeup, nor should a man be forced to play sports and be strong. Maybe you want to force these stereotypes on you, but let others choose the path of their life.
I can't change your views, but you can't tell others what to do. I'm sorry if this came off as aggressive, that was not the intention.
Do you think forcing someone to dress a certain way and to only like and do certain things helps them from committing suicide?
No, and I never said that:
Suicide Rate Among the American Population:
Trans or Gender Non-Conforming:41% Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual: 20% Overall Population: 5%
As you can see, the suicide rate in the transgender community is staggering. Why is that? Probably because that community is suffering mentally more so than any other subset of the US population. It's not "transphobic" to point out the fact that there is a problem among the transgender community.
Personally, these types of comments really anger me because you're suggesting now that I need mental help.
They shouldn't. I'm merely pointing out the fact that there happens to be a serious problem among the trans community.
Personally, these types of comments really anger me because you're suggesting now that I need mental help.
You can't help it because of a genetic disorder, but who are "they?" Transgenders? They aren't born into the thought of identifying differently (It's not like being homosexual) it's an actual mental disorder (defined as such) and all I merely said was they need help.
There is no lying. It's scientific, and I'd rather you do your research before blurting out what you think. Do you think forcing someone to … moredress a certain way and to only like and do certain things helps them from committing suicide? It's actually the reverse.
Personally, these types of comments really anger me because you're suggesting now that I need mental help. You may not know this, but I was born intersex, even though I identify as a male. I had no control over how I was born, and neither do they.
I'd rather you do your research before blurting out what you think
I do do my research before posting.
Gender Dysphoria:
Synonym… mores - Gender identity disorder
Do you think forcing someone to dress a certain way and to only like and do certain things helps them from committing suicide?
No, and I never said that:
Suicide Rate Among the American Population:
Trans or Gender Non-Conforming: 41%
Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual: 20%
Overall Population: 5%
As you can see, the suicide rate in the transgender community is staggering. Why is that? Probably because that community is suffering mentally more so than any other subset of the US population. It's not "transphobic" to point out the fact that there is a problem among the transgender community.
Personally, these types of comments really anger me because you're suggesting now that I need mental help.
They shouldn't. I'm merely pointing out the fact that th… [view original content]
The research is still a bit dicey (it's hard to test the variables alone and the idea to even test anything is relatively new in this area), but it does pretty strongly suggest that if transgender people can undergo surgery and are received well by the people surrounding them that their suicide rates drop rapidly and consistently.
As fancies pointed out, the suicide rates are likely, if not mostly, due to how these people are viewed by the people around them. Humans like to think we have cognitive abilities that put us above the opinions of others, and for some that may be the case, but for the overwhelming majority of people how we appear to others, and what they think of us, is largely how we define ourselves.
Of course a female would be at a disadvantage if she fought a fully grown man. She would likely get the ever-living shit beat out of her. Im… moreagine if Caitlyn Jenner fought a female; what do you think would happen? Bruce would probably feel like a God in the difference between his and the other females strength.
I understand acceptance whole-heartedly, but is it really ok to accept the transgender lifestyle? Is it truthful at all, or are we normalizing lying? These people need mental help, or else they will likely commit suicide; that needs to stop, and we can't allow transgender individuals to kill themselves. Lying to them, and the world doesn't help all.
Removing ovaries/testicles changes the way your body develops massively. Hormones change your body greatly - there are any number of scientific journals you can use to research this.
They don't change your bone structure, your height, your internal organs (men and women have different sized one's, for example, men have bigger lungs and therefore a better lung capacity, a complication with, say, swimming), or your sex chromosomes, though, which are all pretty big factors.
Think about dogs who change their behaviour when neutered. Or eunuchs.
But this isn't about behavior. This is about physical conditioning and fairness of competition.
Trans men who used to have ovaries lose regular supply of oestrogen when they are removed. When they take testosterone, in order to get to the stage where its the same level in the body as other men, their body changes greatly. They even grow half a penis due to nothing more than hormones.
Yes, we all know how reassignment surgery works; with anatomical alterations and intakes of antipode hormones, but this just leaves them somewhere between the two sexes at the end of it. It does not make them an equivalent. Men cannot become functioning women or vice versa. I wish they could, but we all know they ultimately can't. Hence, why I'm against this whole prospect by the way.
In this thread lots of people are refusing to actually engage with scientific research on the subject, and seem to believe that it's possible to compete as a woman in athletic events if you put on a dress and call yourself Linda. That's really, really not how it works.
Well, not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the advoacy of such things awaits us in the future, however. Either way, they were only answering the thread's question as it was asked.
Luckily the people actually making the decision about who should be allowed to do what in sport are actually aware of the scientific research regarding the issue, but I implore you, if you are especially eager to have an opinion on the issue, to educate yourself on it first.
I'm educated enough to understand that, even though estrogen and anti-androgens alter men's musculature, skin and fat distribution, all of which will make them appear more feminine, they will still conform to the chromosomal patterns they started with. They will still conform to their original, skeletal bone structures. They will still conform to their original height. They will still conform to the brain they were born with. Is it a coincidence that middle-of-the-road male athletes like Fallon Fox, Michelle Dumaresq, Lana Lawless, and Renee Richards suddenly became so successful after becoming "female" one's? No matter what you do, there is just an underlying reality in play here and it can't keep getting overlooked. It's exactly how you end up with absurdities, like the Australian national women's football team losing 7-0 to 15 year old boys.
TL;DR: If you don't fully understand the science of how transitioning from one gender to the other works, you probably shouldn't say what trans people should and shouldn't be allowed to do.
TL;DR: biological males should not compete physically with biological females, even if they've gone through copious amounts of surgery and drugs as there's only so much they can do. And when it comes to professional sports, I care more about an evenly matched and fun game, than a politically correct one.
Your body doesn't care what you identify as.
Transitioning isn't just changing your pronoun. Removing ovaries/testicles changes the … moreway your body develops massively. Hormones change your body greatly - there are any number of scientific journals you can use to research this.
Think about dogs who change their behaviour when neutered. Or eunuchs.
Trans men who used to have ovaries lose regular supply of oestrogen when they are removed. When they take testosterone, in order to get to the stage where its the same level in the body as other men, their body changes greatly. They even grow half a penis due to nothing more than hormones.
In this thread lots of people are refusing to actually engage with scientific research on the subject, and seem to believe that it's possible to compete as a woman in athletic events if you put on a dress and call yourself Linda. That's really, really not how it works.
If you want to say what peop… [view original content]
Obviously you have no respect for people who have problem with people who struggle with gender identity. I'm no fan of Caitlyn Jenner but it offends me when people are deliberately ignorant of transgender people's rights
Do you believe it would be fair if Caitlyn Jenner played women sports? He'd be unstoppable (already was unstoppable back in the day). It just wouldn't be fair, at all.
The suicide rate I gave you was post-transition. Yes, it does go down, but the suicide rate is still astronomically high. I don't bully transgender people, never have, never will, I'm simply stating facts and I guess you're right about one thing: "facts don't care about your feelings."
I wrote the newer term used, but it's still a disorder (the synonym of gender dysphoria is "disorder")
I'm not calling them mentally ill because I disagree with them; I'm calling them mentally ill because of what science has said about them. I do let people embrace who they are unless, of course, it gets to a point that is extremely harmful. If they want to identify as a male or female, then fine, just don't force me to agree with them and I'll have no problem staying out of their business.
The suicide rates are due to the hatred and intolerance they receive, notably people like you.
Also, gender identity disorder is an outda… moreted phrase, it's called gender dysphoria now.
Calling someone mentally ill because you don't agree with how they identify is just awful. Let them embrace themselves and do what they want!
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Obviously you have no respect for people who have problem with people who struggle with gender identity. I'm no fan of Caitlyn Jenner but it offends me when people are deliberately ignorant of transgender people's rights
I don't see what's wrong with using the scientifically correct pronoun. If it's disrespectful to call a transgender woman 'he,' does that mean it's respectful to call a biological male 'he'? Because that's not true. Calling a man 'he,' or a woman 'she,' is not a sign of respect, it is just an acknowledgement of the reality before us.
Far as I'm concerned, @Megaodg33 is engaging in symbolic rebellion against language policing and a surgical practice he objects to, as opposed to just being against "transgender people's rights."
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Obviously you have no respect for people who have problem with people who struggle with gender identity. I'm no fan of Caitlyn Jenner but it offends me when people are deliberately ignorant of transgender people's rights
The suicide rate I gave you was post-transition. Yes, it does go down, but the suicide rate is still astronomically high. I don't bully tran… moresgender people, never have, never will, I'm simply stating facts and I guess you're right about one thing: "facts don't care about your feelings."
I wrote the newer term used, but it's still a disorder (the synonym of gender dysphoria is "disorder")
I'm not calling them mentally ill because I disagree with them; I'm calling them mentally ill because of what science has said about them. I do let people embrace who they are unless, of course, it gets to a point that is extremely harmful. If they want to identify as a male or female, then fine, just don't force me to agree with them and I'll have no problem staying out of their business.
Why are you so deeply against transgenders in the first place? Bad experience in childhood? Religion? I seriously am curious where this deep hatred roots from. This isn't the only thread I've seen you talk bad about trans people, and at one point your bio was like "Males are born male and females are born female."
Why are you so deeply against transgenders in the first place? Bad experience in childhood? Religion? I seriously am curious where this deep… more hatred roots from. This isn't the only thread I've seen you talk bad about trans people, and at one point your bio was like "Males are born male and females are born female."
No. No amount of surgery, or whatever, is gonna make a person into something that God and nature just never meant them to be.
Men should be men, and women should be women.
looks up the difference between the muscle masses between men and women
reads in less than five minutes on multiple sites that men tend to have upwards of 40% more muscle mass than women due to body structure and hormones
wonders how this can be a debate after a person has fully developed; that person will still have the same body structure
If this is allowed, then steroids should be allowed. I have no problem calling a person what they want to be called. It doesn't change my life. However, this is unfair to women who have been training their whole life to fight a certain amount of competition. This would encourage men who cant compete in the men's division to just hop over to the women's division, which simply is unfair to all of the women, who are the vast majority of that division and the intended competitors within that division. There would be no point to divisions at that point, except for weight classes. I guess that would put an end to the man v woman debate when it comes to MMA, buuuut yeah.
Not taking sides, just pointing out, God sometimes uses the medical field to heal. (Just saying that as a Christian scientist) please don't bring me into this
If you don't want to be dragged into a conversation it's probably best to not comment on the conversation.
And you're lucky I'm not going to respond, because your line of reasoning is a moral catastrophe for your god (and a huge leap into cognitive dissonance for you more than likely).
Not taking sides, just pointing out, God sometimes uses the medical field to heal. (Just saying that as a Christian scientist)
please don't bring me into this
I find it quite ironic that you're calling society "fake" when you were the one catfishing people by using fake pictures on here. I think we all know who the real fake person is here.
No, absolutely not. Most men are naturally stronger than women and with professional sports players, there is a clear difference in raw stre… morength between men and women.
Liberals say conservatives don't believe in science but then they go on and deny the fact that there are only two genders and you are what your chromosomes say you are; it's science. And no, gender is not a social construct.
Acceptance is important, but we shouldn't accept a lifestyle that is in no way natural. This is like asking people to accept a drug addict's lifestyle. It's not healthy nor should it be mainstream to believe it's healthy.
What I'm saying is, men and women are naturally different, and that's a good thing. Women were not born to be everything men are, they were born to be everything men are not.
Even the top 5% of female military trainees can't compete with 95% of male trainees for strength, endurance, reactions, body weight etc.
Letting women compete in male sports wouldn't change much as they wouldn't get anywhere, but letting men compete in women sports would destroy the game.
A woman's football(soccer) team in Australia, called the Matildas, was beat 7-0 by the Newcastle Jets UNDER-15s side. That's fit, competitive adult women being beaten by boys who have barely started puberty.
Men don't lose all that bone structure, organ size and basic muscle mass by taking some new hormones either.
The differences in body strength, size and stamina start at a young age. even if you started treatment before puberty (which I consider child abuse) it wouldn't necessarily change this.
Also, trans people don't make a third gender. They want to become the OTHER gender, not a new one.
Cope, are you planning on joining that chat I had previously invited you to?
We'd love to have you and your thoughts over there... please HMU ASAP, thank you.
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No, absolutely not. Most men are naturally stronger than women and with professional sports players, there is a clear difference in raw strength between men and women.
Liberals say conservatives don't believe in science but then they go on and deny the fact that there are only two genders and you are what your chromosomes say you are; it's science. And no, gender is not a social construct.
Acceptance is important, but we shouldn't accept a lifestyle that is in no way natural. This is like asking people to accept a drug addict's lifestyle. It's not healthy nor should it be mainstream to believe it's healthy.
What I'm saying is, men and women are naturally different, and that's a good thing. Women were not born to be everything men are, they were born to be everything men are not.
Quick injection. This also brings up an additional point, that being what is considered the "correct" amount. If they're not created naturally then the amount used is arbitrary and that can easily be abused.
Hormones are powerful, yes.
Yes, because hormones are powerful.
This was fun to read. It reminds me of the amazing House quote, "If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people." When someone admits they have no interest in basing their beliefs in scientifically accurate information, you cannot convince them with an argument based in reality. You might as well tell them that unicorns love watching trans people play sports, and you can't have any beautiful unicorn fur if you try to prevent that.
There is no lying. It's scientific, and I'd rather you do your research before blurting out what you think. Do you think forcing someone to dress a certain way and to only like and do certain things helps them from committing suicide? It's actually the reverse.
Personally, these types of comments really anger me because you're suggesting now that I need mental help. You may not know this, but I was born intersex, even though I identify as a male. I had no control over how I was born, and neither do they.
Thank you. applauds
You're comparing a drug addict to a transgender. Already it makes your argument invalid.
And sure, there typically is only two SEXES (notice SEX, not GENDER) but there are certain exceptions. I was born with one testicle and one ovary, although I identify as a male. Why can't we just live our lives how we want to without certain conservatives telling us what and what not to do?
A woman shouldn't be forced to be anorexic and put on makeup, nor should a man be forced to play sports and be strong. Maybe you want to force these stereotypes on you, but let others choose the path of their life.
I can't change your views, but you can't tell others what to do. I'm sorry if this came off as aggressive, that was not the intention.
Ugh, I hate when people base their beliefs off religion. Live for yourself, not for an ancient book.
I wasn't saying Cope49 was necessarily using religion to justify their beliefs, just that the principles behind it are the same as they displayed above ("I don't need scientific reasoning to justify a belief"). Though I would say it isn't unlikely that's what they are doing.
No, I'm comparing two unnatural things with each other. They both shouldn't be pushed into the mainstream as they are very unhealthy for the body.
There are only two sexes. There are only two genders: Male and female. Man and woman. Guy and girl, etc., etc.
Never said she shouldn't be; Anorexia is very unhealthy just like obesity is very unhealthy; none of them should be forced on anyone nor should anyone be forced to not be those things, but people should be taught just how harmful those lifestyles are. We are taught how dangerous drugs are, so we should be taught about anorexia and obesity.
Of course, a woman shouldn't be forced to put on makeup, though it makes them more attractive, IMO.
Yours is a special case, though no matter what, you should identify as whatever the hell your chromosomes say. This is in no way me forcing you to, just pointing out the science behind it.
Of course you can't and no, it didn't come off as aggressive.
I do do my research before posting.
Gender Dysphoria:
Synonyms - Gender identity disorder
No, and I never said that:
Suicide Rate Among the American Population:
Trans or Gender Non-Conforming: 41%
Lesbian, Gay or Bisexual: 20%
Overall Population: 5%
As you can see, the suicide rate in the transgender community is staggering. Why is that? Probably because that community is suffering mentally more so than any other subset of the US population. It's not "transphobic" to point out the fact that there is a problem among the transgender community.
They shouldn't. I'm merely pointing out the fact that there happens to be a serious problem among the trans community.
You can't help it because of a genetic disorder, but who are "they?" Transgenders? They aren't born into the thought of identifying differently (It's not like being homosexual) it's an actual mental disorder (defined as such) and all I merely said was they need help.
The suicide rates are due to the hatred and intolerance they receive, notably people like you.
Also, gender identity disorder is an outdated phrase, it's called gender dysphoria now.
Calling someone mentally ill because you don't agree with how they identify is just awful. Let them embrace themselves and do what they want!
gross
I honestly don't care what people think about it, I am who I am, and that's all I care about. And I don't try to force people to understand either
The research is still a bit dicey (it's hard to test the variables alone and the idea to even test anything is relatively new in this area), but it does pretty strongly suggest that if transgender people can undergo surgery and are received well by the people surrounding them that their suicide rates drop rapidly and consistently.
As fancies pointed out, the suicide rates are likely, if not mostly, due to how these people are viewed by the people around them. Humans like to think we have cognitive abilities that put us above the opinions of others, and for some that may be the case, but for the overwhelming majority of people how we appear to others, and what they think of us, is largely how we define ourselves.
Well, sometimes it is.
They don't change your bone structure, your height, your internal organs (men and women have different sized one's, for example, men have bigger lungs and therefore a better lung capacity, a complication with, say, swimming), or your sex chromosomes, though, which are all pretty big factors.
But this isn't about behavior. This is about physical conditioning and fairness of competition.
Yes, we all know how reassignment surgery works; with anatomical alterations and intakes of antipode hormones, but this just leaves them somewhere between the two sexes at the end of it. It does not make them an equivalent. Men cannot become functioning women or vice versa. I wish they could, but we all know they ultimately can't. Hence, why I'm against this whole prospect by the way.
Well, not yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if the advoacy of such things awaits us in the future, however. Either way, they were only answering the thread's question as it was asked.
I'm educated enough to understand that, even though estrogen and anti-androgens alter men's musculature, skin and fat distribution, all of which will make them appear more feminine, they will still conform to the chromosomal patterns they started with. They will still conform to their original, skeletal bone structures. They will still conform to their original height. They will still conform to the brain they were born with. Is it a coincidence that middle-of-the-road male athletes like Fallon Fox, Michelle Dumaresq, Lana Lawless, and Renee Richards suddenly became so successful after becoming "female" one's? No matter what you do, there is just an underlying reality in play here and it can't keep getting overlooked. It's exactly how you end up with absurdities, like the Australian national women's football team losing 7-0 to 15 year old boys.
TL;DR: biological males should not compete physically with biological females, even if they've gone through copious amounts of surgery and drugs as there's only so much they can do. And when it comes to professional sports, I care more about an evenly matched and fun game, than a politically correct one.
Obviously you have no respect for people who have problem with people who struggle with gender identity. I'm no fan of Caitlyn Jenner but it offends me when people are deliberately ignorant of transgender people's rights
The suicide rate I gave you was post-transition. Yes, it does go down, but the suicide rate is still astronomically high. I don't bully transgender people, never have, never will, I'm simply stating facts and I guess you're right about one thing: "facts don't care about your feelings."
I wrote the newer term used, but it's still a disorder (the synonym of gender dysphoria is "disorder")
I'm not calling them mentally ill because I disagree with them; I'm calling them mentally ill because of what science has said about them. I do let people embrace who they are unless, of course, it gets to a point that is extremely harmful. If they want to identify as a male or female, then fine, just don't force me to agree with them and I'll have no problem staying out of their business.
I'm sorry? I'm somehow infringing on his rights by calling him what he truly is? Could you elaborate, please?
I don't see what's wrong with using the scientifically correct pronoun. If it's disrespectful to call a transgender woman 'he,' does that mean it's respectful to call a biological male 'he'? Because that's not true. Calling a man 'he,' or a woman 'she,' is not a sign of respect, it is just an acknowledgement of the reality before us.
Far as I'm concerned, @Megaodg33 is engaging in symbolic rebellion against language policing and a surgical practice he objects to, as opposed to just being against "transgender people's rights."
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This.
Why are you so deeply against transgenders in the first place? Bad experience in childhood? Religion? I seriously am curious where this deep hatred roots from. This isn't the only thread I've seen you talk bad about trans people, and at one point your bio was like "Males are born male and females are born female."
I wouldn't call it deep rooted.The whole thing confuses the hell out of me.
No. No amount of surgery, or whatever, is gonna make a person into something that God and nature just never meant them to be.
Men should be men, and women should be women.
You've never taken medicine before, right? Wouldn't want you to be something "God" and "nature" never intended you to be, mainly not dead.
So? Don't hate something if you don't know something.
People are never satisfied no matter how much you give them.
looks up the difference between the muscle masses between men and women
reads in less than five minutes on multiple sites that men tend to have upwards of 40% more muscle mass than women due to body structure and hormones
wonders how this can be a debate after a person has fully developed; that person will still have the same body structure
If this is allowed, then steroids should be allowed. I have no problem calling a person what they want to be called. It doesn't change my life. However, this is unfair to women who have been training their whole life to fight a certain amount of competition. This would encourage men who cant compete in the men's division to just hop over to the women's division, which simply is unfair to all of the women, who are the vast majority of that division and the intended competitors within that division. There would be no point to divisions at that point, except for weight classes. I guess that would put an end to the man v woman debate when it comes to MMA, buuuut yeah.
For trans people that have had their puberty blocked before it happened it is a non issue.
Not taking sides, just pointing out, God sometimes uses the medical field to heal. (Just saying that as a Christian scientist)
please don't bring me into this
I'm neutral on it, honestly.
If you don't want to be dragged into a conversation it's probably best to not comment on the conversation.
And you're lucky I'm not going to respond, because your line of reasoning is a moral catastrophe for your god (and a huge leap into cognitive dissonance for you more than likely).
This is so cringe-worthy.
I find it quite ironic that you're calling society "fake" when you were the one catfishing people by using fake pictures on here. I think we all know who the real fake person is here.
You're confused, yet you so strongly portray how wrong it is.
If you're confused about something shouldn't you, maybe, wait till you're educated on the subject before making judgments?
Cope, are you planning on joining that chat I had previously invited you to?
We'd love to have you and your thoughts over there... please HMU ASAP, thank you.
You appear to be ignorant that sex and gender is not the same.
You are a person too, North.
Even the top 5% of female military trainees can't compete with 95% of male trainees for strength, endurance, reactions, body weight etc.
Letting women compete in male sports wouldn't change much as they wouldn't get anywhere, but letting men compete in women sports would destroy the game.
A woman's football(soccer) team in Australia, called the Matildas, was beat 7-0 by the Newcastle Jets UNDER-15s side. That's fit, competitive adult women being beaten by boys who have barely started puberty.
Men don't lose all that bone structure, organ size and basic muscle mass by taking some new hormones either.
The differences in body strength, size and stamina start at a young age. even if you started treatment before puberty (which I consider child abuse) it wouldn't necessarily change this.
Also, trans people don't make a third gender. They want to become the OTHER gender, not a new one.
Gender is not a social construct. It's just not. There are only two genders as there are only two sexes.
I will . Already signed up .