I understand what you’re saying and I would normally agree, however, if what someone says is truly bothersome and they can’t go to the mods personally, then there’s the option to flag a post.
With this being an official forum, we try to be picky about who we add onto the team.
That being said, if anyone wants to avoid mods for whatever particular reason, you can always contact the Community Manager - currently, that's mostlypoptarts.
It's kind of similar problem with law enforcement. Who enforces the law enforces? Then who enforces those who enforces them.
Anyway, I doubt such moderators are in forum like this. Telltale Games probably ensures that they are enough trustworthy.
There's a process in picking moderators to make sure they are indeed trustworthy. When it is felt that a new moderator should be added to the team to help out, the moderators suggest someone from the forums who is a regular poster and has proven to be friendly and helpful. Then the other moderators offer their opinions, taking a look at their post history and current status on the forums. There's been times someone suggested doesn't make the cut among moderators, sometimes because some of their posts have been a bit hostile or because they aren't very active. Sometimes, especially for the latter, we put their nomination on hold, since they might not meet the criteria at the moment, but that could change in the future.
When the moderators have decided amongst themselves, it is ultimately up to the Telltale staff member who is in charge of managing the community (mostlypoptarts at the moment) to look into that member's post history and decide whether they agree on the assessment. Then, of course, the person in question is personally asked if they want to be a moderator (people chosen have turned it down in the past, which is understandable since we are just volunteers, and it is a lot of responsibility).
If a person suggested makes it through this long process, then the Telltale community manager makes them a moderator, and we welcome them to the team. That's not the end of it though, as that moderator still has to prove they are dependable by remaining friendly and being relatively active (or at least letting the moderators and staff know why they are not active at any given moment). It hasn't happened often, but we have suggested to Telltale staff, or the staff has decided on their own, that a moderator should be let go from the team because they no longer meet that criteria.
So there should be no fear about reporting posts here. The moderators are all here because we've been proven to be friendly and helpful, and the other moderators and staff make sure we remain that way.
It's kind of similar problem with law enforcement. Who enforces the law enforces? Then who enforces those who enforces them.
Anyway, I doubt such moderators are in forum like this. Telltale Games probably ensures that they are enough trustworthy.
Sorry, but what does orientation have to do with friendliness?
Mods in here are very understanding and helpful, they have a lot of respect and always try to settle things down if something gets out of control, whether it is political, sexuality or opinion related.
It is not "gay and friendly". It is "gay-friendly". As in, mods that are friendly towards the LGBT community by enforcing the rule against LGBT-bashing.
Sorry, but what does orientation have to do with friendliness?
Mods in here are very understanding and helpful, they have a lot of respec… moret and always try to settle things down if something gets out of control, whether it is political, sexuality or opinion related.
It is not "gay and friendly". It is "gay-friendly". As in, mods that are friendly towards the LGBT community by enforcing the rule against LGBT-bashing.
Still, there's friendly in that. I've never seen mods being negative towards LGBT, their job is to cool off discussions that are too hot, regardless of the topic.
It is not "gay and friendly". It is "gay-friendly". As in, mods that are friendly towards the LGBT community by enforcing the rule against LGBT-bashing.
Their job is to enforce the rules. No hate speech is in the first rule.
1.1 R-E-S-P-E-C-T! Be respectful to other community members, moderators and Telltale team members. Avoid insults, hate speech, platform wars, and trolling. Keep any arguments focused on ideas and not personal attacks. We want the forums to be welcome to people of different backgrounds, so do not make hateful comments based on gender, race, sexuality, culture, religion, disability, etc.
"Friendly" in the sense of being supportive. It is different from friendliness in a general sense. If you saw mods being negative towards LGBT people, then that's the issue the OP is talking about to begin with. They shouldn't be, they should be LGBT-friendly, as per rules and basic human decency. Myself, I never saw a mod being negative towards LGBT, gladly, or I would have been pretty upset and probably wouldn't be part of this community anymore.
Still, there's friendly in that. I've never seen mods being negative towards LGBT, their job is to cool off discussions that are too hot, regardless of the topic.
fallandir said:
I've [never] seen mods being negative towards LGBT
EDIT: He made a typo and meant to say "never", so nevermind
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If you've seen this, please let us know as that shouldn't be the case. That doesn't sound like something one of us would do, as to my knowledge, all of the mods lean towards being accepting of progressive social beliefs.
If you don't wanna talk to a mod, you can also talk to mostlypoptarts, but I would be curious to personally hear what you are alluding to in PMs if you don't mind.
Still, there's friendly in that. I've never seen mods being negative towards LGBT, their job is to cool off discussions that are too hot, regardless of the topic.
Do straight characters have to constantly express that they're straight too or does this only go for bisexuals? Maybe it could have been handled better, but that little detail made a lot of people happy.
Oh no there was a lot of LGBT-bashing. And I mean it when I say A LOT. Saying that "nobody was bashing LGBT" is simply not true, it just means you didn't see the posts before they were deleted. I was in several discussion full of LGBT-bashing, with people telling me about how LGBT people are sick and need "a cure", and I know other people here will be able to say the same because I clearly remember the discussions involving more than me talking to myself.
fallandir said:
I've [never] seen mods being negative towards LGBT
EDIT: He made a typo and meant to say "never", so nevermind
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If you've seen this, please let us know as that shouldn't be the case. That doesn't sound like something one of us would do, as to my knowledge, all of the mods lean towards being accepting of progressive social beliefs.
If you don't wanna talk to a mod, you can also talk to mostlypoptarts, but I would be curious to personally hear what you are alluding to in PMs if you don't mind.
I don't remember seeing any of that, and neither do a lot of other people on here. If what you say is true, then isn't the fact that nobody recalls what you're talking about proof that the mods are doing their jobs in regards to this issue?
Oh no there was a lot of LGBT-bashing. And I mean it when I say A LOT. Saying that "nobody was bashing LGBT" is simply not true, it just mea… morens you didn't see the posts before they were deleted. I was in several discussion full of LGBT-bashing, with people telling me about how LGBT people are sick and need "a cure", and I know other people here will be able to say the same because I clearly remember the discussions involving more than me talking to myself.
Oh no there was a lot of LGBT-bashing. And I mean it when I say A LOT. Saying that "nobody was bashing LGBT" is simply not true, it just mea… morens you didn't see the posts before they were deleted. I was in several discussion full of LGBT-bashing, with people telling me about how LGBT people are sick and need "a cure", and I know other people here will be able to say the same because I clearly remember the discussions involving more than me talking to myself.
The mods are doing their jobs, that's why you didn't get to see it before it was deleted. It doesn't mean LGBT-bashing didn't happen, it means that the mods were quick to deal with it, which is what I am saying from the start. I even saw the very situation the OP is talking about, with the guy using "gay" as an insult.
Also, yes, what I am saying is true. I have no reason to lie to random people on the internet about an issue that doesn't even affect me directly.
I don't remember seeing any of that, and neither do a lot of other people on here. If what you say is true, then isn't the fact that nobody recalls what you're talking about proof that the mods are doing their jobs in regards to this issue?
Hate speech is hate speech. It doesn't matter if the hateful person tries to cover their butts saying "it's just a prank bro", it is still hate speech. Which they often do to try to make it seem like the issue doesn't exist, that everybody is actually totally okay with LGBT people, that the world is lovely and everybody who speaks out about the issue is imagining things.
And there was nothing about the posts that made it seem like it was trolling. They were very well-worded and elaborated, though heavily religious.
Hate speech is hate speech. It doesn't matter if the hateful person tries to cover their butts saying "it's just a prank bro", it is still h… moreate speech. Which they often do to try to make it seem like the issue doesn't exist, that everybody is actually totally okay with LGBT people, that the world is lovely and everybody who speaks out about the issue is imagining things.
And there was nothing about the posts that made it seem like it was trolling. They were very well-worded and elaborated, though heavily religious.
When the troll says "its just a prank" theyre still trolling. You're not supposed to take it seriously, don't give it attention lmfao.
though heavily religious.
oh PFF no wonder, that explains it
Oh of course, no argument there. I'm saying a majority of the homophobic people that this person is complaining about were just trolls, and ya'll deleting the messages was you merely getting rid of the troll.
I can't say I've seen any incriminating evidence of passive homophobia on the Mod's part so I can't contribute on that note. From what I have seen however I think most if not all of the Mods here seem very open minded and do their jobs well even if they do make mistakes sometimes.
Dude, it doesn't matter if they are trolling or not. It is still LGBT-bashing, it doesn't change anything. Being hateful "for the lols" is still being hateful, only with the added issue of trying to look like the problem doesn't actually exists when it does. Actually, there are few people more hateful than trolls. They hide their bigotry behind the trolling facade to mock a real issue and to make it look like it doesn't exist.
Denying that LGBT-bashing is a thing is harmful. I know you and the others on this thread are not doing it on purpose, but it is very harmful. I wasn't born yesterday, and I know very well what happens to hate left unchecked. There are users in this forum that are much younger than me and that sometimes express their fears and insecurities, and who had these fears and insecurities mocked and attacked during the Bi Javier debacle. Replying to people who you, without having seen the conversations at all, think are trolls (because what, they couldn't be LGBT-bashing? Because it isn't a thing? Please), can at least show these other users that someone stands with them.
When the troll says "its just a prank" theyre still trolling. You're not supposed to take it seriously, don't give it attention lmfao.
though heavily religious.
oh PFF no wonder, that explains it
I am merely stating that you're having this huge overreaction to mere trolls on the internet. Not all of them were trolls but most were, and there aint much you can do about them except ignore and flag 'em since they're everywhere, but making an uproar about it gives them the attention they pathetically crave for. I can assure you that most of this forum is not against lgbt and the mods do all they can to discipline those trolls and the few who actually bash lgbt legitimately. Saying "we need more lgbt friendly mods'' wont change anything, as the mods already are already lgbt friendly, the best you can do is stop giving the retarded trolls attention so they fuck off.
Dude, it doesn't matter if they are trolling or not. It is still LGBT-bashing, it doesn't change anything. Being hateful "for the lols" is s… moretill being hateful, only with the added issue of trying to look like the problem doesn't actually exists when it does. Actually, there are few people more hateful than trolls. They hide their bigotry behind the trolling facade to mock a real issue and to make it look like it doesn't exist.
Denying that LGBT-bashing is a thing is harmful. I know you and the others on this thread are not doing it on purpose, but it is very harmful. I wasn't born yesterday, and I know very well what happens to hate left unchecked. There are users in this forum that are much younger than me and that sometimes express their fears and insecurities, and who had these fears and insecurities mocked and attacked during the Bi Javier debacle. Replying to people who you, without having seen the conversations at all, think are trol… [view original content]
That was the context you responded to: A poster asked about the last time there was LGBT-bashing here, I said when it happened. Another poster said there actually wasn't any LGBT-bashing during that. I said there was. You said they were just trolls, as if it made it not matter. So yeah, you did deny that it was a thing when you said, in the context, that they were just trolls (even though, as you are being repeatedly told so, it doesn't matter if they were trolling, and you can't possibly know yourself if they were trolls anyway).
I am merely stating that you're having this huge overreaction to mere trolls on the internet. Not all of them were trolls but most were, and there aint much you can do about them except ignore and flag 'em since they're everywhere, but making an uproar about it gives them the attention they pathetically crave for.
It also show the people who are affected by their hate that the hate isn't acceptable. And I also flag the hate, as I said before, I'm kinda report-happy. And, again, you do not know if most of them were trolls, you are guessing based on posts you didn't even see. As I said, they had very well-worded and elaborated posts that reflect the anti-LGBT narrative I hear all the time in real life. I've been around the internet for about 15 years, if a poster is blatantly trolling, I can usually notice.
I can assure you that most of this forum is not against lgbt and the mods do all they can to discipline those trolls and the few who actually bash lgbt legitimately.
I know, otherwise I wouldn't be here, as I said before. I've been defending the mods in the entire thread, in all the posts where I mention them. They are doing their jobs so well there are people here that were not even aware that there was LGBT-bashing in the Bi Javier discussion. But there was.
Denying that LGBT-bashing is a thing is harmful.
I never denied it was a real thing.
I am merely stating that you're having this … morehuge overreaction to mere trolls on the internet. Not all of them were trolls but most were, and there aint much you can do about them except ignore and flag 'em since they're everywhere, but making an uproar about it gives them the attention they pathetically crave for. I can assure you that most of this forum is not against lgbt and the mods do all they can to discipline those trolls and the few who actually bash lgbt legitimately. Saying "we need more lgbt friendly mods'' wont change anything, as the mods already are already lgbt friendly, the best you can do is stop giving the retarded trolls attention so they fuck off.
To an extent, I am with DLB in that giving trolls attention keeps them coming back - she is absolutely correct on that. However, with complicated social issues, it does kind of muddy the waters of when it is appropriate to speak out and call out bigotry, and when it is appropriate to "not feed the trolls", depending on what kind of tone a community wants to set.
That being said, even though the discussion between you guys (DLB and Abeille) is largely civil and relevant to the topic, I feel the discussion is kind of repeating itself. This seems like a good stopping point unless something new comes up (but again, you guys were both being civil so nobody is in trouble).
I never denied it was a real thing.
That was the context you responded to: A poster asked about the last time there was LGBT-bashing… more here, I said when it happened. Another poster said there actually wasn't any LGBT-bashing during that. I said there was. You said they were just trolls, as if it made it not matter. So yeah, you did deny that it was a thing when you said, in the context, that they were just trolls (even though, as you are being repeatedly told so, it doesn't matter if they were trolling, and you can't possibly know yourself if they were trolls anyway).
I am merely stating that you're having this huge overreaction to mere trolls on the internet. Not all of them were trolls but most were, and there aint much you can do about them except ignore and flag 'em since they're everywhere, but making an uproar about it gives them the attention they pathetically crave for.
It also show the people who are affected by t… [view original content]
To an extent, I am with DLB in that giving trolls attention keeps them coming back - she is absolutely correct on that. However, with compli… morecated social issues, it does kind of muddy the waters of when it is appropriate to speak out and call out bigotry, and when it is appropriate to "not feed the trolls", depending on what kind of tone a community wants to set.
That being said, even though the discussion between you guys (DLB and Abeille) is largely civil and relevant to the topic, I feel the discussion is kind of repeating itself. This seems like a good stopping point unless something new comes up (but again, you guys were both being civil so nobody is in trouble).
To an extent, I am with DLB in that giving trolls attention keeps them coming back - she is absolutely correct on that. However, with compli… morecated social issues, it does kind of muddy the waters of when it is appropriate to speak out and call out bigotry, and when it is appropriate to "not feed the trolls", depending on what kind of tone a community wants to set.
That being said, even though the discussion between you guys (DLB and Abeille) is largely civil and relevant to the topic, I feel the discussion is kind of repeating itself. This seems like a good stopping point unless something new comes up (but again, you guys were both being civil so nobody is in trouble).
From my perspective, this kind of feels like an overreaction. I think the mods are doing fine in regards to LGBT issues even if sometimes they break the rules but that doesn’t happen very often from what I’ve seen.
A lot of people shy away for contacting moderators since private discussions are really hard when it turns out that moderator is secretly co… morerrupt or something.
I know it's not something you would expect in Telltale forums but it wouldn't be a first time moderators abuse their powers.
It becomes further problem since a lot of forums actually help bad moderators to stay protected while various users end up not being able to prove they're innocent.
From my perspective, this kind of feels like an overreaction. I think the mods are doing fine in regards to LGBT issues even if sometimes they break the rules but that doesn’t happen very often from what I’ve seen.
doing fine in regards to LGBT issues even if sometimes they break the rules
A. They shouldn't be breaking the rules in the first pla… morece
B. When have they broken the rules?
Edit: changed brackets to dots because the forum assumed I wanted to do the "cool" emoji using the letter B
There was a thread made by wolfiewarrior13 that was called “who do you ship” enzeruanimefan said “Jesse and axel (preferably male)” and then wolfiewarrior13 said “umm ew” and then that started a drama and wolfiewarrior13 kept saying how he/she doesn’t like homosexuality. You can’t see most of the replies now because they have been deleted by a moderator
I participated in that drama, sort of. But still, I don't think he/she is the main reason for this thread (maybe around 20-40%? Only OP can confirm it. I could be totally wrong).
There was a thread made by wolfiewarrior13 that was called “who do you ship” enzeruanimefan said “Jesse and axel (preferably male)” and then… more wolfiewarrior13 said “umm ew” and then that started a drama and wolfiewarrior13 kept saying how he/she doesn’t like homosexuality. You can’t see most of the replies now because they have been deleted by a moderator
Same, I flagged them when they said that, but from the looks of it, they're still at it again in the shipping thread. Though, the way WolfieWarrior calls it "by-sexual couples" makes me think that it's probably a kid.
I participated in that drama, sort of. But still, I don't think he/she is the main reason for this thread (maybe around 20-40%? Only OP can confirm it. I could be totally wrong).
There was a thread made by wolfiewarrior13 that was called “who do you ship” enzeruanimefan said “Jesse and axel (preferably male)” and then… more wolfiewarrior13 said “umm ew” and then that started a drama and wolfiewarrior13 kept saying how he/she doesn’t like homosexuality. You can’t see most of the replies now because they have been deleted by a moderator
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It's kind of similar problem with law enforcement. Who enforces the law enforces? Then who enforces those who enforces them.
Anyway, I doubt such moderators are in forum like this. Telltale Games probably ensures that they are enough trustworthy.
With this being an official forum, we try to be picky about who we add onto the team.
That being said, if anyone wants to avoid mods for whatever particular reason, you can always contact the Community Manager - currently, that's mostlypoptarts.
There's a process in picking moderators to make sure they are indeed trustworthy. When it is felt that a new moderator should be added to the team to help out, the moderators suggest someone from the forums who is a regular poster and has proven to be friendly and helpful. Then the other moderators offer their opinions, taking a look at their post history and current status on the forums. There's been times someone suggested doesn't make the cut among moderators, sometimes because some of their posts have been a bit hostile or because they aren't very active. Sometimes, especially for the latter, we put their nomination on hold, since they might not meet the criteria at the moment, but that could change in the future.
When the moderators have decided amongst themselves, it is ultimately up to the Telltale staff member who is in charge of managing the community (mostlypoptarts at the moment) to look into that member's post history and decide whether they agree on the assessment. Then, of course, the person in question is personally asked if they want to be a moderator (people chosen have turned it down in the past, which is understandable since we are just volunteers, and it is a lot of responsibility).
If a person suggested makes it through this long process, then the Telltale community manager makes them a moderator, and we welcome them to the team. That's not the end of it though, as that moderator still has to prove they are dependable by remaining friendly and being relatively active (or at least letting the moderators and staff know why they are not active at any given moment). It hasn't happened often, but we have suggested to Telltale staff, or the staff has decided on their own, that a moderator should be let go from the team because they no longer meet that criteria.
So there should be no fear about reporting posts here. The moderators are all here because we've been proven to be friendly and helpful, and the other moderators and staff make sure we remain that way.
Sorry, but what does orientation have to do with friendliness?
Mods in here are very understanding and helpful, they have a lot of respect and always try to settle things down if something gets out of control, whether it is political, sexuality or opinion related.
It's sometimes hard to recognize a joke over the internet.
It's easy to skimp the thread.
It is not "gay and friendly". It is "gay-friendly". As in, mods that are friendly towards the LGBT community by enforcing the rule against LGBT-bashing.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but when was the last time there was any LGBT bashing?
Still, there's friendly in that. I've never seen mods being negative towards LGBT, their job is to cool off discussions that are too hot, regardless of the topic.
Right after the ending of ANF, when the main character was revealed to be bisexual.
Their job is to enforce the rules. No hate speech is in the first rule.
"Friendly" in the sense of being supportive. It is different from friendliness in a general sense. If you saw mods being negative towards LGBT people, then that's the issue the OP is talking about to begin with. They shouldn't be, they should be LGBT-friendly, as per rules and basic human decency. Myself, I never saw a mod being negative towards LGBT, gladly, or I would have been pretty upset and probably wouldn't be part of this community anymore.
EDIT: He made a typo and meant to say "never", so nevermind
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If you've seen this, please let us know as that shouldn't be the case. That doesn't sound like something one of us would do, as to my knowledge, all of the mods lean towards being accepting of progressive social beliefs.
If you don't wanna talk to a mod, you can also talk to mostlypoptarts, but I would be curious to personally hear what you are alluding to in PMs if you don't mind.
Do straight characters have to constantly express that they're straight too or does this only go for bisexuals? Maybe it could have been handled better, but that little detail made a lot of people happy.
Oh no there was a lot of LGBT-bashing. And I mean it when I say A LOT. Saying that "nobody was bashing LGBT" is simply not true, it just means you didn't see the posts before they were deleted. I was in several discussion full of LGBT-bashing, with people telling me about how LGBT people are sick and need "a cure", and I know other people here will be able to say the same because I clearly remember the discussions involving more than me talking to myself.
Christ, you scared me Blind.
I meant to say "I've never seen". Just the typo. I see you guys being even overprotective, but never pulling someone's tail for being LGBT.
I don't remember seeing any of that, and neither do a lot of other people on here. If what you say is true, then isn't the fact that nobody recalls what you're talking about proof that the mods are doing their jobs in regards to this issue?
Sounds like you witnessed someone trolling on the forums (an often occurrence) and you took it seriously lol
The mods are doing their jobs, that's why you didn't get to see it before it was deleted. It doesn't mean LGBT-bashing didn't happen, it means that the mods were quick to deal with it, which is what I am saying from the start. I even saw the very situation the OP is talking about, with the guy using "gay" as an insult.
Also, yes, what I am saying is true. I have no reason to lie to random people on the internet about an issue that doesn't even affect me directly.
Hate speech is hate speech. It doesn't matter if the hateful person tries to cover their butts saying "it's just a prank bro", it is still hate speech. Which they often do to try to make it seem like the issue doesn't exist, that everybody is actually totally okay with LGBT people, that the world is lovely and everybody who speaks out about the issue is imagining things.
And there was nothing about the posts that made it seem like it was trolling. They were very well-worded and elaborated, though heavily religious.
Not to be a stick in the mud, but usually, even the "lolz just kidding" version of making crass jokes like that would probably be looked down upon.
Bigotry and trolling aren't mutually exclusive. Often, bigots pull "It was just a joke bro!" as an excuse to post hateful things.
When the troll says "its just a prank" theyre still trolling. You're not supposed to take it seriously, don't give it attention lmfao.
oh PFF no wonder, that explains it
Flagging it for mods also works
Oh of course, no argument there. I'm saying a majority of the homophobic people that this person is complaining about were just trolls, and ya'll deleting the messages was you merely getting rid of the troll.
I can't say I've seen any incriminating evidence of passive homophobia on the Mod's part so I can't contribute on that note. From what I have seen however I think most if not all of the Mods here seem very open minded and do their jobs well even if they do make mistakes sometimes.
Dude, it doesn't matter if they are trolling or not. It is still LGBT-bashing, it doesn't change anything. Being hateful "for the lols" is still being hateful, only with the added issue of trying to look like the problem doesn't actually exists when it does. Actually, there are few people more hateful than trolls. They hide their bigotry behind the trolling facade to mock a real issue and to make it look like it doesn't exist.
Denying that LGBT-bashing is a thing is harmful. I know you and the others on this thread are not doing it on purpose, but it is very harmful. I wasn't born yesterday, and I know very well what happens to hate left unchecked. There are users in this forum that are much younger than me and that sometimes express their fears and insecurities, and who had these fears and insecurities mocked and attacked during the Bi Javier debacle. Replying to people who you, without having seen the conversations at all, think are trolls (because what, they couldn't be LGBT-bashing? Because it isn't a thing? Please), can at least show these other users that someone stands with them.
I never denied it was a real thing.
I am merely stating that you're having this huge overreaction to mere trolls on the internet. Not all of them were trolls but most were, and there aint much you can do about them except ignore and flag 'em since they're everywhere, but making an uproar about it gives them the attention they pathetically crave for. I can assure you that most of this forum is not against lgbt and the mods do all they can to discipline those trolls and the few who actually bash lgbt legitimately. Saying "we need more lgbt friendly mods'' wont change anything, as the mods already are already lgbt friendly, the best you can do is stop giving the retarded trolls attention so they fuck off.
That was the context you responded to: A poster asked about the last time there was LGBT-bashing here, I said when it happened. Another poster said there actually wasn't any LGBT-bashing during that. I said there was. You said they were just trolls, as if it made it not matter. So yeah, you did deny that it was a thing when you said, in the context, that they were just trolls (even though, as you are being repeatedly told so, it doesn't matter if they were trolling, and you can't possibly know yourself if they were trolls anyway).
It also show the people who are affected by their hate that the hate isn't acceptable. And I also flag the hate, as I said before, I'm kinda report-happy. And, again, you do not know if most of them were trolls, you are guessing based on posts you didn't even see. As I said, they had very well-worded and elaborated posts that reflect the anti-LGBT narrative I hear all the time in real life. I've been around the internet for about 15 years, if a poster is blatantly trolling, I can usually notice.
I know, otherwise I wouldn't be here, as I said before. I've been defending the mods in the entire thread, in all the posts where I mention them. They are doing their jobs so well there are people here that were not even aware that there was LGBT-bashing in the Bi Javier discussion. But there was.
To an extent, I am with DLB in that giving trolls attention keeps them coming back - she is absolutely correct on that. However, with complicated social issues, it does kind of muddy the waters of when it is appropriate to speak out and call out bigotry, and when it is appropriate to "not feed the trolls", depending on what kind of tone a community wants to set.
That being said, even though the discussion between you guys (DLB and Abeille) is largely civil and relevant to the topic, I feel the discussion is kind of repeating itself. This seems like a good stopping point unless something new comes up (but again, you guys were both being civil so nobody is in trouble).
I'll have you know that repeating myself is one of my top qualities.
Kidding, but alright. The entire discussion is redundant and boring anyways.
Okay dad...
From my perspective, this kind of feels like an overreaction. I think the mods are doing fine in regards to LGBT issues even if sometimes they break the rules but that doesn’t happen very often from what I’ve seen.
He's onto you, Blind!
A. They shouldn't be breaking the rules in the first place
B. When have they broken the rules?
Edit: changed brackets to dots because the forum assumed I wanted to do the "cool" emoji using the letter B
Maybe he meant users breaking the rules? If not, I'd be curious to see what he means (or he can talk to mostlypoptarts instead).
Wait is this about wolfiewarrior13
How is this relevant? What did he/she do?
There was a thread made by wolfiewarrior13 that was called “who do you ship” enzeruanimefan said “Jesse and axel (preferably male)” and then wolfiewarrior13 said “umm ew” and then that started a drama and wolfiewarrior13 kept saying how he/she doesn’t like homosexuality. You can’t see most of the replies now because they have been deleted by a moderator
I participated in that drama, sort of.
But still, I don't think he/she is the main reason for this thread (maybe around 20-40%? Only OP can confirm it. I could be totally wrong).
Same, I flagged them when they said that, but from the looks of it, they're still at it again in the shipping thread. Though, the way WolfieWarrior calls it "by-sexual couples" makes me think that it's probably a kid.
I commented asking if he/she is homophobic and that there is nothing wrong shiping to characters of the same sex, etc. My comment got deleted.