Is anyone else annoyed w/ Jim Gordon?
I’m absolutely incapable of being nice to Jim this season. The guy just doesn’t know how to play it cool and wants you to be in on his b-h fit with Waller every second. Even if you totally give him everything he wants, he still tries to bag Selina just to spite you and to feel like he’s in control. Same thing with trying to arrest Bruce rather than just investigating him and he KNEW Bruce was supposed to be off limits.
I know Waller is no Girl Scout but why not exploit her resources? I’ll just betray her if things get bad. Gordon is just too needy.
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I blame it on time constraints(?), (alotted) budget, and the usual "better ideas" scenario.
Yeah, I'm kinda annoyed, but I'm hoping something comes of it. It's felt nigh impossible to get on his good side, and I really want that, more so than other characters that have been easier to appease.
I'll be surprised if it persists through the last two episodes.
It's normal Gordon acting like this. After all he know nothing about Bruce's undercover and he know how Waller bad women is it, and he is angry when Batman choose her insted of him.
I'm pretty annoyed because he's a huge moron. Batman told him that Lucius was his ally, and that Bruce was his ally as well. Waller even tells Gordon that Bruce is under Agency protection yet the guy can't even figure out the truth. It's just embarassing.
The only problem I had with Gordon is when he told Batman that he better not warn Catwoman that he was coming. I already told him I was on his side and went along with him. No need to threaten me when I've been on his side the whole time.
I'm annoyed when people talk about season 3 when season 2 not finished.
You see, I had that mentality at first. I was all 'sure thing buddy' and then he dropped that threat and I was all '...ooookaaay, well now I'm makin' a phone call.' snapped my fingers and all that attitude.
Still wasn't enough to get me to warn her. I can't be mean to Gordon. No matter what he says.
I didn't get mad at Gordon for pursuing Selina; she's a criminal and it is his job to arrest those types of people. I kind of wish, in retrospect that the police officers who tangled with Harley had shot her. I mean, I don't believe in excessive use of force, but if a ho is coming at you with a sledge hammer then it seems warranted. Things like that don't make sense in this game. Of course, she's not a black man and that makes a huge difference... but still. Someone should've capped that bitch; at least a non-lethal warning shot.
I don't mind Gordon's hostility towards Waller. I think it adds to a feel that there are interactions between the pair that I'm not a part of, and that Waller holds back some when Batman's around. Waller is critical of Gordon, from the moment she's introduced, and he'll take the heat for allowing Batman to make the call whether or not Batman admits that it was his idea. I don't doubt that she's breathing down his neck while he's strapped for men and resources in a city under siege.
There are also those who don't care for him 'going after Catwoman'. She's a criminal. He's a cop. He's on edge from Waller's interference in his work and has a good memory. A year ago Batman worked together with Catwoman when Harvey Dent was a hostage. He wants to trust that Batman is the symbol of justice that he believes him to be, but knowing that prior association he's no longer instantly certain that Batman is on the same side as the officers.
As for going after Bruce Wayne, I didn't think he was aware that Waller had asked him to be undercover until that moment. I thought that was between Waller and Bruce. He's connected all the dots the Agency already did -- Bruce Wayne's been at the center of a lot of criminal attention and his witness placed him as an accomplice to a robbery with Pact members Harley Quinn and John Doe.
I'm on a pro-Waller play through, and I do think Jim is out of line on occasion -- but he's only human. The stress and anxiety from his officers dying and being kept in the dark
I'm annoyed, yes. His distaste for Waller I can understand to a certain extend, but turns out no matter how you play Bruce/Batman, he's still being an asshole to player. Thats a plothole, imho, but his character is suffering because of it. I was pretty angry with him in the last episode, Where did all the trust between us gone? I don't know. Trust is the most important thing between two people, lol, and what reason he had not to trust my Batman for example? If I'm telling him Bruce Wayne is clean and he isn't trusting me, well than, shows how cheap Batman's opinion is really to him. That hurts.
I would trust anything he say, for example, because I trust in Gordon. But now he's out of line.
Also, I hate guilt by association. Just because Thomas was dirty does not mean Bruce is. That whole "the apple doesn't fall far from the tree" bull shit is annoying.
When I first started the game, I was purely on Gordon’s side because of I believed Waller was just going to manipulate Batman. When I reached episode 3 and Gordon starting acting different, he begun to annoy me by accusing Bruce and Lucius of being a criminals, how he treated Batman about arresting Catwoman and yelling at Tiffany about arresting Bruce (if Bruce is on her good side).
I understand that all the clues led back to Bruce but it's like Gordon forgotten how Bruce helped him in season 1. The decisions which Bruce and Gordon were allies such as
Gordon has dismiss all the good things Bruce has done for Gotham and only sees him as a criminal.
Ditto.
I'm annoyed by his reaction to all this, but it's only natural. The Riddler shows up, Agency takes over, what used to be his district and his precinct is now being invaded by somewhat shady government officials, and he can't do anything about it. Gordon's not one to stand by when he knows something is wrong and he's itching for his big break.
He's in total darkness about Bruce's involvement, and can only connect the dots in how he sees them: Fox gets blown up out of nowhere, it's suddenly revealed that he was an ally of Batman, and then Bruce starts hanging with criminals, letting them assault employees and have free pickings of his office. Something clearly isn't right with that.
He's making rash decisions without seeing the full picture (but let's face it, he can't right now.) So he's not at the top of his game, and -- ultimately thanks to Waller's interference -- it's costed him more than it should have.
That's simply because Bruce is acting like a criminal. Gordon has no evidence that what Bruce is doing is for undercover purposes, he's seeing it as felonies. His world is being turned upside down, and he's trying to set it right, even though he doesn't know that sensation is all in his head.
I'd hafta say that I agree with AChicken. It's really just Gordon doing his job. I am not at all irritated that he almost arrested Bruce. I mean, imagine that Bruce was guilty? He sort of is, like literally all he's done is help Harley and gang get closer to their goals.
And I'm surprised people aren't putting more blame on Waller. She should have looped Gordon in, in my opinion she jeopardized Bruce's cover by not doing so.
Gordon doesn't trust her and she could've help alleviate that by simply telling him 'Bruce is undercover because the Pack has shown interest in using him for his resources and Batman had a wall fall on him so yeah we need someone on the inside. This is classified information do not share it with your people capeesh?' Simple as that. But she absolutely refuses to work with Gordon every step of the way.
I'm also surprised people haven't realized how incompetent Waller actually is. One example would be that she knew about the EMP device and yet didn't prepare her people for it and was all like 'omg, so like, the EMP was actually a problem and that's why I didn't show up and a bunch of people died. Whoopsie.' And has the audacity to get irritated if Bruce doesn't forgive her. Then she's all 'Oh yeah, by the way, mmmooollleee problem! Teehee.'
Tell you what, if I'd been her superior she would have been fired. She's absolutely useless throughout the whole thing. Her agents even get kidnapped for crying out crazy! Just a bunch of silly damsels, dying left and right. It's ridiculous. And they can't even shoot properly! like ShampaFK said Harley and Bane should've been dead. Especially Harley who didn't have the goons helping her. Like, I get it'd be problematic for the story, but still.
I'm just hoping Telltale shows how bad Waller truly is,i can't believe how many people choose her instead of Gordon.
People keep saying Catwoman is a criminal but so is Batman and technically his vigilantism & his arrangement with Gordon is corrupt. He knows Catwoman is an associate of Batman, one who helped Jim even and he’s bagging her because his illegal asset isn’t behaving the way he wants him to.
Gordon COULD have it both ways by trusting Batman to exploit Waller’s intel and resources but he’s get awfully fussy and making it a competition. It’s true that this is a classic telltale fork in the road but one I have no conflict with.
Now I wonder how Selina will play into this. Jim clearly hates her and Waller is furious I blew my cover for her. Guess SELINA > Whiny Micromanagers.
I'm sure a lot of players are choosing all of the options just to see what happens on different game saves. It's a fantastic season, full of flavor. I've been waiting for the other ball to drop from the moment I sided with Waller on my first save.
I've expressed Batman's illegal activities, and half the reason I believe Gordon has said he doesn't want to know who's under the mask and that it doesn't matter who it is -- is because if he actually knew he'd be torn between his loyalty to Batman and arresting him as well. He likely justifies it in his own mind as Batman does give the criminals to the authorities rather than enacting his own forms of justice ( doesn't kill, extort, or maim ), but Gordon's personal justifications doesn't account for the law.
CatWoman on the other hand, committed crimes for her own personal profit. She had one change of heart in assisting Batman to aid Harvey Dent, and returned to her life of crime -- which is where we meet up with her this Season. Depending on how the player chooses, she will express a desire to change. This has happened before, and we can only wait to see which direction TellTale will decide to go with her.
Yeah, that's one thing out of the 3 I've already listed with Waller. He should have trusted Batman a little more. But, considering Waller has Batman's identity and Gordon either knows that or knows she's got some leverage over him, it'd be hard to take it on faith especially when your concerned with the safety of Gotham. It's like both him and Bruce are often in the same situation. Do you pick the safety of innocent civilians over a friendship? Its clear that Gordon would and, depending on how you play Bruce, he would to. Not to mention some players legitimately have their Bruce trusting Waller so while Gordon's trying to be all 'look, hold up, I don't think you should trust her' Bruce ignores it and trusts her anyways. Then you got Batman whose like 'hold up, Bruce is cool' and Gordon ignores it and distrusts him anyways.
Basically people are irritated with Gordon despite that Bruce pretty much does the same thing.
I've said it before and I'll say it again now. Jim was just being a little shit during that rooftop scene. He was pouting because Waller took over his "territory" oh, you're not going to bring me Bruce? Well then I'll just go after catwoman then. Haha I love Jim, but he really irked me that episode.