How will ep 5 work?
I mean what if we choose john to become a vig how will ep 5 work? if john becomes a villain it just gonna be batman trying to take down john and harlequin but what about vig? will we fight some one else? bruce is in a pretty bad situation right now after helping john escape and punching the agents so he might be considered a bad guy so he might have to team up with john to get the agents of his back or its just gonna be batman beating up john becasue he takes his vig stuff way too far and turns him into a villain witch would be lame. will telltale make ep 5 where it changes everything for the first time?
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I guess either way we fight agency, Waller, and people responsible for the virus.
And depending on our choices:
a) we also fight Harley and John, who are after the same people for the different goals. Harley still wants her serum.
b) we group up with vigilante Joker and go after "bad guys"
c) we fight vigilante Joker because of his methods ( he wouldn't mind Tiffany's guns for Batman). Both Batman and Joker go after "bad guys", but they might disagree on the methods.
Anyway, our next step is most likely to clean up this mess with the Santus and the Agency.
I think you are right that we Joker will use methods that Batman will not like and force us to stop him. The Agency also captured Harley in my playthrough which means that Harley Quinn will most likely be added to Waller's Suicide Squad and will have Harley try to fight John with Batman's help because so far Harley and my Batman have never met or interacted. I hope for more Catwoman and possibly Tiffany helping us out in episode 5.
I think this outcome is very possible.
But I'm not sure about Harley already making a move as a member of Suicide Squad.
I also think what maybe we can influence John even more. After all, I, personally, didn't expect him to go on path of vigilantism. But here he is.
I think everyone WE helped before, will come to help us. This season in many ways were about making allies, forming team.
Perhaps TellTale is letting us gather all these allies because in either episode 5 or maybe Season 3 Batman and them will have to fight a ton of villains and if Batman is alone you will get a bad ending and maybe if he has allies you will get a good ending. Perhaps they might make it harder to get the good ending if Batman is alone.
Yeah, they're all probably going to travel through omega-4 relay to fight collectors. =D Tiffany should be sent to the vent, I think. As a technician number one.
Just don't make Alfred leader of squad B or people are gonna die!
Seriously though Mass Effect 2's final mission is one the best I've played in an rpg:
My setup
Cargo Bay: Jacob and Kasumi
Vents: Legion
Team B Leader 1: Garrus
Shepard's Team 1: Thane and Grunt
Biotic: Jack
Escort: Kasumi
Team B Leader 2: Miranda
Shepard Team 2: Tali and Mordin
Human Reaper Team: Zaeed and Samara
Hopefully similar to episode one, an all out battle against John and a very long episode. Similar to the battle with Riddler.
But who's Garrus in B-team? Gordon?
I CAN'T SLEEP WITHOUT KNOWING WHO WILL LEAD B-TEAM TEAMS NOW!!!!
Okay!
Cargo Bay: Montoya and Alfred
Vents: Tiffany
Team B leader 1: Gordon
Batman's team 1: John and Selina
Biotic: Harvey Bullock can throw objects and pretend he's a biotic. He eats almost as much as them.
Escort (I don't remember what it is, even!) let's say, Frank, because I'm running out of allies and ideas
Team b leader 2: Avesta
Batman team 2: Gordon and Montoya because I'm still running out of options
Reaper thing: John and Selina, and now I start to realize Bruce REALLY needs more allies.
Who knows, Im kinda disappointed with alot of this season's ideas and pay offs lately. Like Gordon doesnt even appear in episode 4 in anyway. I know he was fired, but youre telling me Gordon just went "Shucks, guess thats it for me ;(" and Catwoman is again just shunned to the side after a big choice involving her. John becoming Joker was underwhelming, it felt rushed as it wasnt gradual, it was just "o shit i killed all these guards off camera im like the joker now lmao" John's character just didnt get any true closure to what he was building up to be. I feel like everyone is just forgetting Season 1 and John. Does no one remember how John just knew Vicki was Lady Arkham? No one remember that John seemed to already know Bruce was Batman? (which is now 100% confirmed) Does no one remember how Season 1 ends with the truck trying to kill Bruce/Batman and Joker seemingly being behind it? None of this is explained and I doubt it ever will, but I still wish they just did something more interesting with him because now his transformation seems just dull and forgetting many things about him.
Yea Gordon was in the key art but not in the episode why put him in the key art b nutot the episode and I want to point out we still don't know who killed riddler I bet telltale will never say who it is casue nobody cares about it.
I'm pretty sure that John will turn on a fully fledged villain by the end of the season. The only thing different will be his methods but no way he actually is a vigilante the entire game.
I agree that he is probably destined to become a villain anyway.
I think it would be good, because that will mean that the main plot would be the same for all of us, and it would be easier to continue it in next seasons (I hope there will be next seasons). Do not get me wrong, I think that our choices should matter, no discussion with that, I am just ok with them being just a 'facade' and adding to our unique experience without destroying the consistency of the plotline.
Honestly, from what we saw in s1 and s2, I would say that John's moral compass is like nonexistent (even if he wants to do the good thing for the people whom he considers friends, he is able to hurt people without blinking an eye) and if I would have to bet, I would say that in the vigilante path, he will come to the conclusion that Batman is the 'bad guy' and that he (John) is the only real hero in Gotham which will start a Batman vs Joker war (with a lot of innocent people getting hurt by Joker in the process).
Either it'll be completly forgotten, or theyll pull some episode 5 reveal for some new baddie like DeathStroke or DeadShot or something for a season 3 set up.
Personally I was really expecting John to be the one who killed Riddler and would be the actual mastermind in the end but instead they kinda stumbled with his arch imo. Would have been an interesting plot twist. (I guess there is still time for that to be revealed)
I wouldn't be surprised if, in the case we have Vigilante John/Joker, we end up having to oppose him because of his methods and that drives him into villainy or becoming our Archenemy.
What if Waller got Deadshot to kill Riddler? They've hinted that she uses people and she knew about the serum, perhaps having Riddler dead was to prevent hardships for her?
It was never implied that Joker was behind it, it honestly could have been anyone with all of the bad publicity Bruce had going for him. Bruce owed John a favor, killing him would be downright dumb. I'm not sure about the ending with him in the bar though with all of his face paint though. I'll just chalk it up to the writers not knowing where they were going with him and just ignore it.
Why would John want Riddler dead? With him dead, Harley would be able to get access to his blood which would result in her leaving him, something he is openly against and tries to prevent in the Bruce opening for Episode 4. If anything, the Agency could use his blood to get the villains of the Pact working for her, and she could have potentially hired someone like you said to do the job to get her to that powerful position. Has anything in the previous episodes hinted to him wanting to be the mastermind behind it all, because I just don't see any benefits of him being the one that did it.
I mean Joker did say many times he did not like Riddler, and it seems like John calls people "rude" for when he wants to do violent things to them. Also I dont think I said it in this thread, but Season 1 the ending shows John in the bar seemingly threatening that he plans on doing "something" worst/better after watching the attack on tv. Sadly Im guessing Telltale decided to just ignore that entire ending scene showing that John was plotting something, but that is why I always thought it would be revealed that John was actually pulling the strings the entire time.
To be fair,the Pact had 0 respect for John and I'm surprised they even let him vote(when they vote for Brucie boy) since they don't take him seriously. Riddler likely was no different and I think John mentioned it at one point. The Agency DID try to kill John but yeah I'm surprised he wasn't the "mastermind" behind the scenes.
I have said that already, but I will say this once again, I believe that Waller was partially responsible for Lucius' death [Bruce never really got a chance to avenge Lucius, so Waller's involvement might give Him the opportunity to do so]. She keeps repeating the "using bad people to do good things" too often. I think, that She is using Batman on the same basis, on which She wants to use the pact members, and She probably considers Him one of the "bad guys" too. I think, that at some point, once She no longer needs his help, She might even try to bring Him down.
I'll say that was one of the things I was kinda disappointed with. I had Bruce declare he was gonna get vengeance and then he never got it. So now my Bruce kinda feels incomplete and I'm tryin to take it out on the pact. But so far I've only really taken it out on Freeze it feels like.
But I agree, I think Waller killed Riddler.
That's exactly what I'm thinking but as Gartives said him being a villain for everyone would help in the long run