Woah,Hold it!
Is everyone just straght up off topic somehow...
The topic is: Reason behind shoot Conrad or not.
Up till now, I only saw reason for shooing Conrad by
Biased to Clementine ( by previous season)
Conrad pointed gun at nephew = out of line
That's it? No further augrment?
Well then.
I played A New Frontier without playing previous season and chose not to shoot Conrad in my first playthrough
And I am confused at one-nine result, further troubled by the main reason is biased on Clementine.
So, why not start over by stating my opinion, Shall we?
Clementine is Bargaining chip, and Javier need it.
Javier cares his family (shown in episode 1)
and will save his family by all cost due to this "Love"
Well, now Kate is injured by gunshot, the only hope they have is to beg Frontier. Javier will help her at all cost.
However, Frontier should have no interest helping Kate(Frontier have no motive)
That's why Javier need Clementine as Bargaining chip.
And Clementine certainly can act as Bargaining chip as Javier see her as Traitor to Frontier.
By such Reason, It is enough to say Javier need Clementine no matter what.
So Javier originally can make this choice by not letting Clem go, Just Conrad do the job instead.
Conrad action make sense
Here I do need to refute the statement about
Conrad is mad and will do anything arugment
This statement is preposterous.
Let me explain by stating Conrad motive.
Conrad need no stopping Clementine.
Clementine is bargaining chip only make sense to Javier family,
Conrad have no motive to help them at first,
but he help Javier by throwing the plan to his face.
This prove Conrad just want to help Javi Family.
Then this view will absolutely destroy any statement about Conrad is threat.
At Train, there only have 4 person
Conrad, Clementine, Javier, Gabe
Remark: Javier and Gabe is family
If Conrad hold above motive(helping Javi family), he would not shoot Gabe or Javi
If Conrad want plan works, he must not shoot Clementine
No one will suicide shallowly.
= No one will Die.
So... where is the threat?
Please by reminded :
Out of line =/= Will kill anyone without thinking
And if my statement is right, Conrad only present SADNESS, not MADNESS.
Oh, Conrad is point the gun at Gabe, want to kill him.
How about Conrad kill all Javi family at confront in sewer?
Then he truly insane, but he didn't.
Also that plan does show Conrad still thinking straight.
Well, I cannot refute "Bias to Clementine" thing, But I do want an explanation for shooting Conrad beyond
Kate being uncle javis sister in law doesn't mean I have to care about her. This is not a new series, and as such I am not forced to feel like I care about these characters because default. Conrad literally overhears someone in their group is a former member of the people who executed his wife, has shown he was angry at the person who led his community to a swift end, and blames a little girl who he'd offer as an exchange because he's a psychopath. And the majority of players saw through this extremely childish attempt to cause conflict, that's why we shot him dead.
Woah,Hold it!
Is everyone just straght up off topic somehow...
The topic is: Reason behind shoot Conrad or not.
Up till now, I only s… moreaw reason for shooing Conrad by
* Biased to Clementine ( by previous season)
* Conrad pointed gun at nephew = out of line
That's it? No further augrment?
Well then.
I played A New Frontier without playing previous season and chose not to shoot Conrad in my first playthrough
And I am confused at one-nine result, further troubled by the main reason is biased on Clementine.
So, why not start over by stating my opinion, Shall we?
(Spoiler)
Well, I cannot refute "Bias to Clementine" thing, But I do want an explanation for shooting Conrad beyond
* Biased to Clementine ( by previous season)
* Conrad pointed gun at nephew = out of line
Alright, fine. No role playing is ok
I never say anything against choosing by previous link to Clementine,
just a guy seek answer without such premise.
I can agree your statement uptill 2 major part.
has shown he was angry at the person who led his community to a swift end, and blames a little girl who he'd offer as an exchange because he's a psychopath.
Your thinking :
Conrad is mad by Frontier destroy his town -1> know Clementine was from Frontier -2> Conrad want to kill Clementine -3> Conrad need to be killed.
There is a missing logic link in " -3> "
I granted that:
1. Conrad is mad,
2. Conrad hold grudge toward Clementine.
That mean :
Conrad have motive to kill Clementine.
which is furthered by "bargaining chip" plan
So you prove Conrad motive, but nothing in advance.
You never tell us why Conrad must use Blame Clementine way to release his anger.
I mean, he certainly can kill anyone at anytime,
(and be justified because Clem is from Frontier)
Much easier way to fulfill his Psychopath dream by ONE-SHOT Clementine without warning.
Why throw a plan to Javi and threathen Clementine ?
Javi is not needed to the picture of Conrad revenge plan, his involvement only make it messier for Conrad.
( Hey, you actually stopped Conrad. This prove this revenge plan is real bad)
You cannot smooth everything over by accusing Conrad is Psychopath.
I can say anyone want to kill me because everyone is Psychopath
( which will be told I'm sick )
Please give evidence.
So I still cannot see your solid reason.
And the majority of players saw through this extremely childish attempt to cause conflict, that's why we shot him dead.
Creat conflict = need to be dead?
Yeah, he maybe childish, so... what?
Creating conflict meaning Conrad need to die?
Oh, I create conflict everyday, I should be ghost right now, haunting you
Kate being uncle javis sister in law doesn't mean I have to care about her. This is not a new series, and as such I am not forced to feel li… moreke I care about these characters because default. Conrad literally overhears someone in their group is a former member of the people who executed his wife, has shown he was angry at the person who led his community to a swift end, and blames a little girl who he'd offer as an exchange because he's a psychopath. And the majority of players saw through this extremely childish attempt to cause conflict, that's why we shot him dead.
Conrad has plan to kill Clementine because she tells uncle javi that she isn't part of them anymore and they've turned into shitbags? That seems pretty extreme. That's not even considering he grabbed a useless Gabe and threatens to shoot him in the head if he disagrees? Nah.
If you were grabbing someone and pointing a gun at their head every day, and telling me I needed to agree with whatever you're creating conflict about, yes, I'd end up shooting you dead. That's the actions of an unstable person who has the potential to be extremely dangerous to the group, and that's not even considering the confrontation on the road in episode 2.
Alright, fine. No role playing is ok
I never say anything against choosing by previous link to Clementine,
just a guy seek answer without… more such premise.
I can agree your statement uptill 2 major part.
has shown he was angry at the person who led his community to a swift end, and blames a little girl who he'd offer as an exchange because he's a psychopath.
Your thinking :
Conrad is mad by Frontier destroy his town -1> know Clementine was from Frontier -2> Conrad want to kill Clementine -3> Conrad need to be killed.
* There is a missing logic link in " -3> "
I granted that:
1. Conrad is mad,
2. Conrad hold grudge toward Clementine.
That mean :
* Conrad have motive to kill Clementine.
which is furthered by "bargaining chip" plan
So you prove Conrad motive, but nothing in advance.
You never tell us why Conrad must use Blame Clementine way to release his anger.
I mean, he certainly can k… [view original content]
Conrad has plan to kill Clementine because she tells uncle javi that she isn't part of them anymore and they've turned into shitbags?
Hey, that is not my wording, it's your statement's implication, from
Conrad literally overhears someone in their group is a former member of the people who executed his wife, has shown he was angry at the person who led his community to a swift end, and blames a little girl who he'd offer as an exchange because he's a psychopath.
1. overhear who executed his wife
2. has shown he was angry
3. community=end
4. blames a little girl
5. because he's a psychopath
Howabout you tell me what do you mean in above statement(It's yours) except that extreme situation I MISS IMPLY from you.
Anyway, back to the point of pointing gun.
Obviously you panicked , I stated my reason why Conrad simply bluffing and will not shoot anyone.
(Woah, Is telltale foreshadowing this in episode 1 bar scene?)
Well, alright, maybe you failed to see that point at that time.
Still, you cannot act to rebel because of rebel.( I take this implication from :
If you were grabbing someone and pointing a gun at their head every day, and telling me I needed to agree with whatever you're creating conflict about, yes, I'd end up shooting you dead.
(wait.. I should prepare myself not to start conflict with you! )
Where do you get the idea of Conrad pointing gun at Gabe's head everyday
I mean Conrad is within team and is not the leader, I am quite sure whole group will fight back Conrad if he really do. I really cannot agree that scenario is same as Conrad pointing gun at Gabe.
Well, let still focus back on Conrad "Single Time pointing gun at Gabe"
Yeah, sure, Conrad does take away your freedom of choice(or Push you to agree with him) by pointing gun at Gabe
So? Does that mean you cannot agree Conrad Plan?
It is still possible to agree Conrad Plan even he threat you.
Sure, you can disagree, but what is the reason?
So... once again I failed to see your point is decisive Factor. I am quite sorry
Now, about unstableness of Conrad.
That actually a fair point, because you lose your faith in Conrad.
However trusting Conrad or not can be Valid and a factor, but not decisive.
Trusting him or not only affect future(In your explanation)
Which is not relevant to the choice much(quite far-fetch).
Because this is just POTENTIAL.
Basically can neglect unless you can state why that potential is very likely to happen.
I can say anyone in A New Frontier will POTENTIALLY hurt me.
Hey, Clem is very resourceful in combat, I should avoid her
Hey, Gabe is just starting conflict, ruining my life, I should shoot him
Hey, Tripp is in love with Elennor, He may go insane anything happen to Elennor, I need to stop this threat to the group
Is this what you're saying?
So, I does look forward on you to further your point shooting Conrad,
Please give me solid reason , I kind of frustrated always have to guess what you're saying
And you always distracting with smokescreen
That not even answering Main Reason to side with Clementine
Conrad has plan to kill Clementine because she tells uncle javi that she isn't part of them anymore and they've turned into shitbags? That s… moreeems pretty extreme. That's not even considering he grabbed a useless Gabe and threatens to shoot him in the head if he disagrees? Nah.
If you were grabbing someone and pointing a gun at their head every day, and telling me I needed to agree with whatever you're creating conflict about, yes, I'd end up shooting you dead. That's the actions of an unstable person who has the potential to be extremely dangerous to the group, and that's not even considering the confrontation on the road in episode 2.
Ok, I'll indulge with this post and not much further. Two main points of looking at it are Conrad pointed a gun at some dudes nephew, or Conrad pointed a gun and threatened clementine. If I was an uncle, and shockingly I am instead of the typical 14 year old who thinks ANF is so badass, I would have shot the second he did that. If i wasn't, and he was a shit enough person to take a little girl hostage as revenge for his wife, I would have shot his ass dead. Am I being clear enough, or do I need to elaborate further? Cause I feel like I'm clear enough.
Reply to @SolidStryder
Conrad has plan to kill Clementine because she tells uncle javi that she isn't part of them anymore and they've… more turned into shitbags?
Hey, that is not my wording, it's your statement's implication, from
Conrad literally overhears someone in their group is a former member of the people who executed his wife, has shown he was angry at the person who led his community to a swift end, and blames a little girl who he'd offer as an exchange because he's a psychopath.
1. overhear who executed his wife
2. has shown he was angry
3. community=end
4. blames a little girl
5. because he's a psychopath
Howabout you tell me what do you mean in above statement(It's yours) except that extreme situation I MISS IMPLY from you.
* Anyway, back to the point of pointing gun.
Obviously you panicked , I stated my reason why Conrad simply bluffing and will not shoot anyone.
(Woah, Is telltale foreshadowi… [view original content]
I think the right choice was to kill him, in my opinion. To me, him pointing a gun to me and my nephew just so he can use a 13 year old-girl (the same girl who tried to help defend Prescott) as a bargaining chip is not justified from me not shooting him. The only choice that makes it justifiable is when Clem shoots the person who had Francine held hostage.
It also boiled down the the fact that the man actually goes through with killing you and Gabe if you don’t make a decision in time. In my first playthrough, I stayed silent So I wouldn’t have to make a choice. Then when he shot us, I shot him in an instant when I respawned. I could care less about Conrad at that point.
Besides, it’s not like Conrad contributes to the story if he lives. He’s not a Ben or a Carley or Doug. Sure he can live through the whole season, but the man gets no development and his appearances are simply quick 30 seconds of dialogue. He’s far from being considered the best determinant character in my book.
It also boiled down the the fact that the man actually goes through with killing you and Gabe if you don’t make a decision in time
I think Telltale said they regret doing that scene.And he can contribute to the story to me,the guy avenged his wife if you let him kill Badger in episode 3,i liked how he really tried to redeemed himself he even save you at the end of episode 4,i'm just sad he disappeared at the start of episode 5.Let's hope he makes a cameo in The Final Season.
I think the right choice was to kill him, in my opinion. To me, him pointing a gun to me and my nephew just so he can use a 13 year old-girl… more (the same girl who tried to help defend Prescott) as a bargaining chip is not justified from me not shooting him. The only choice that makes it justifiable is when Clem shoots the person who had Francine held hostage.
It also boiled down the the fact that the man actually goes through with killing you and Gabe if you don’t make a decision in time. In my first playthrough, I stayed silent So I wouldn’t have to make a choice. Then when he shot us, I shot him in an instant when I respawned. I could care less about Conrad at that point.
Besides, it’s not like Conrad contributes to the story if he lives. He’s not a Ben or a Carley or Doug. Sure he can live through the whole season, but the man gets no development and his appearances are simply quick 30 seconds of dialogue. He’s far from being considered the best determinant character in my book.
Tbh Conrad contributes more to the story than any of the determinant characters in season 2 (in my opinion). I mean when you spare him, you get a completely different scene where Javier, Tripp, and Conrad interact. Conrad apologizes, offers Javi the gun instead of him. Also you can have a choice of Conrad killing Badger which I found interesting since alot of people missed it. Then in episode 4, Conrad leaves the group (which I'm glad Telltale made Conrad leave because if he didn't he would've been caught by Joan's people along with Tripp and Ava), then he comes back and saves Javier from the guy who was going to kill him and he was willing to save him when the truck hits. But at least we get to see what happens to Conrad if he makes it to the last episode. We know that in the last episode he stays in New Richmond with Javier and his family. And we actually get some good dialogue between Javi and Conrad. The reason why he gets less and less line within each episode is probably due to the fact that not that many people kept him alive (I don't know how hard it is for Telltale to keep a determinant alive until the end). I do wish he had more lines like Carley or Ben but at least he actually does live and change the scenes of the story a bit.
I think the right choice was to kill him, in my opinion. To me, him pointing a gun to me and my nephew just so he can use a 13 year old-girl… more (the same girl who tried to help defend Prescott) as a bargaining chip is not justified from me not shooting him. The only choice that makes it justifiable is when Clem shoots the person who had Francine held hostage.
It also boiled down the the fact that the man actually goes through with killing you and Gabe if you don’t make a decision in time. In my first playthrough, I stayed silent So I wouldn’t have to make a choice. Then when he shot us, I shot him in an instant when I respawned. I could care less about Conrad at that point.
Besides, it’s not like Conrad contributes to the story if he lives. He’s not a Ben or a Carley or Doug. Sure he can live through the whole season, but the man gets no development and his appearances are simply quick 30 seconds of dialogue. He’s far from being considered the best determinant character in my book.
Yeah I agree he did contribute to the story and I liked that you can let him kill badger, get different scenes, and dialogue that not that many people got.
Let's hope he makes a cameo in The Final Season.
And hopefully we see him at Richmond and not get killed off.
It also boiled down the the fact that the man actually goes through with killing you and Gabe if you don’t make a decision in time
I… more think Telltale said they regret doing that scene.And he can contribute to the story to me,the guy avenged his wife if you let him kill Badger in episode 3,i liked how he really tried to redeemed himself he even save you at the end of episode 4,i'm just sad he disappeared at the start of episode 5.Let's hope he makes a cameo in The Final Season.
Conrad could have been used more, though I didn't understand his bargaining chip with Clementine when he wanted to 'kill' (find the people responsible) for taking his home and killing Francine. Literally the first person at the gate is coincidentally the same person who was at the Prescott gate and Conrad didn't do anything about that, later on; there is a plot inconsistency in Episode 4 where Conrad says he wants to 'sit this one out', despite his earlier intentions. Not sure why he'd suddenly change his mind, especially after seeing the thievery from Episode 3, unless his intention was to only kill Badger (and Javier determinately kill Max).
They could have done so much more with Conrad in Episode 5, perhaps even tied him in with saving Ava or Tripp as a special ending to those that choose to save him, but unfortunately he's nowhere to be found until the end, which is both confusing because he was with us at the end of episode 4 and disappointing.
If I can recall, he is better than any other determinate in Season 2, Sarah/Nick for obvious reasons.
Honestly probably one of the hardest decisions for me Conrad does have a point and is always good to see more characters he even comes out and says that wasn't him in the train and turns into a good guy, but we've known Clem since s1 it's hard for me to betray Clem because I know how good the person is, but Conrad does shoot Gabe and Javi if you don't make a decision which to me is the deal breaker he holds a kid hostage and kills a kid and Javi if you don't make a decision I'm very split on the choice but I side towards shooting him
Still pissed how they just wrote him completely out of episode 5...Just too difficult to animate the 10 frames of him running away at the start I guess? He should've been with the group on the rooftops too, given us some extra dialogue when Tripp dies or maybe even saves Ava and make the choices REALLY have an impact.
Rushed games make rushed results
Still pissed how they just wrote him completely out of episode 5...Just too difficult to animate the 10 frames of him running away at the st… moreart I guess? He should've been with the group on the rooftops too, given us some extra dialogue when Tripp dies or maybe even saves Ava and make the choices REALLY have an impact.
Rushed games make rushed results
I agree with you I mean let's note some things here yes I am parcial to Clem because i love her to death aside from that just because I love one character doesn't mean I won't feel the same way towards another but really Conrad has giving Javi the cold shoulder since I took up for Clem at the bar and he clearly wasn't thinking rite because his wife just died so he was really just trying to use Clem to help his own ass if he was listening to there conversation then he also heard her say she wasn't apart of that group anymore so what happened to his wife had nothing to do with Clem at all I mean u can't remove a burn scar unless u cut it off etc and what drew the line for me is when he threatened to shoot Gabe and does if u take to long leading to game over but the fact that your playing Javi and this is his family and if it was my nephew and this unstable guy threatening to shoot my nephew if I do not do as he says yea I would have shot him to 1 Gabe is my family 2 Clem has done nothing but help my family and 3 this guy is unstable I do not know him and he is threatening my family case and point.
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Called it!
Hm.
hope telltale ends up making more determinants like Conrad it was nice to not have just an ´´Insert character that will get killed later on´´ again.
Agreed. Hey, final season tho--anything can happen now!
My reason is he started freaking out with the gun and threatening people.
that s not really what i meant thought.
Woah,Hold it!
Is everyone just straght up off topic somehow...
The topic is: Reason behind shoot Conrad or not.
Up till now, I only saw reason for shooing Conrad by
That's it? No further augrment?
Well then.
I played A New Frontier without playing previous season and chose not to shoot Conrad in my first playthrough
And I am confused at one-nine result, further troubled by the main reason is biased on Clementine.
So, why not start over by stating my opinion, Shall we?
Javier cares his family (shown in episode 1)
and will save his family by all cost due to this "Love"
Well, now Kate is injured by gunshot, the only hope they have is to beg Frontier.
Javier will help her at all cost.
However, Frontier should have no interest helping Kate(Frontier have no motive)
That's why Javier need Clementine as Bargaining chip.
And Clementine certainly can act as Bargaining chip as Javier see her as Traitor to Frontier.
So Javier originally can make this choice by not letting Clem go, Just Conrad do the job instead.
Here I do need to refute the statement about
This statement is preposterous.
Let me explain by stating Conrad motive.
Conrad need no stopping Clementine.
Clementine is bargaining chip only make sense to Javier family,
Conrad have no motive to help them at first,
but he help Javier by throwing the plan to his face.
This prove Conrad just want to help Javi Family.
Then this view will absolutely destroy any statement about Conrad is threat.
Conrad, Clementine, Javier, Gabe
Remark: Javier and Gabe is family
= No one will Die.
So... where is the threat?
Please by reminded :
And if my statement is right, Conrad only present SADNESS, not MADNESS.
Oh, Conrad is point the gun at Gabe, want to kill him.
How about Conrad kill all Javi family at confront in sewer?
Then he truly insane, but he didn't.
Also that plan does show Conrad still thinking straight.
Well, I cannot refute "Bias to Clementine" thing, But I do want an explanation for shooting Conrad beyond
Kate being uncle javis sister in law doesn't mean I have to care about her. This is not a new series, and as such I am not forced to feel like I care about these characters because default. Conrad literally overhears someone in their group is a former member of the people who executed his wife, has shown he was angry at the person who led his community to a swift end, and blames a little girl who he'd offer as an exchange because he's a psychopath. And the majority of players saw through this extremely childish attempt to cause conflict, that's why we shot him dead.
Alright, fine. No role playing is ok
I never say anything against choosing by previous link to Clementine,
just a guy seek answer without such premise.
I can agree your statement uptill 2 major part.
Your thinking :
Conrad is mad by Frontier destroy his town -1> know Clementine was from Frontier -2> Conrad want to kill Clementine -3> Conrad need to be killed.
I granted that:
1. Conrad is mad,
2. Conrad hold grudge toward Clementine.
That mean :
which is furthered by "bargaining chip" plan
So you prove Conrad motive, but nothing in advance.
You never tell us why Conrad must use Blame Clementine way to release his anger.
I mean, he certainly can kill anyone at anytime,
(and be justified because Clem is from Frontier)
Much easier way to fulfill his Psychopath dream by ONE-SHOT Clementine without warning.
Why throw a plan to Javi and threathen Clementine ?
Javi is not needed to the picture of Conrad revenge plan, his involvement only make it messier for Conrad.
( Hey, you actually stopped Conrad. This prove this revenge plan is real bad)
You cannot smooth everything over by accusing Conrad is Psychopath.
I can say anyone want to kill me because everyone is Psychopath
( which will be told I'm sick )
So I still cannot see your solid reason.
Yeah, he maybe childish, so... what?
Creating conflict meaning Conrad need to die?
Oh, I create conflict everyday, I should be ghost right now, haunting you
No! That is not logical.
So... I cannot see your point
Conrad has plan to kill Clementine because she tells uncle javi that she isn't part of them anymore and they've turned into shitbags? That seems pretty extreme. That's not even considering he grabbed a useless Gabe and threatens to shoot him in the head if he disagrees? Nah.
If you were grabbing someone and pointing a gun at their head every day, and telling me I needed to agree with whatever you're creating conflict about, yes, I'd end up shooting you dead. That's the actions of an unstable person who has the potential to be extremely dangerous to the group, and that's not even considering the confrontation on the road in episode 2.
Reply to @SolidStryder
Hey, that is not my wording, it's your statement's implication, from
1. overhear who executed his wife
2. has shown he was angry
3. community=end
4. blames a little girl
5. because he's a psychopath
Howabout you tell me what do you mean in above statement(It's yours) except that extreme situation I MISS IMPLY from you.
Obviously you panicked , I stated my reason why Conrad simply bluffing and will not shoot anyone.
(Woah, Is telltale foreshadowing this in episode 1 bar scene?)
Well, alright, maybe you failed to see that point at that time.
Still, you cannot act to rebel because of rebel.( I take this implication from :
(wait.. I should prepare myself not to start conflict with you!
)
Where do you get the idea of Conrad pointing gun at Gabe's head everyday
I mean Conrad is within team and is not the leader, I am quite sure whole group will fight back Conrad if he really do. I really cannot agree that scenario is same as Conrad pointing gun at Gabe.
Yeah, sure, Conrad does take away your freedom of choice(or Push you to agree with him) by pointing gun at Gabe
So? Does that mean you cannot agree Conrad Plan?
It is still possible to agree Conrad Plan even he threat you.
Sure, you can disagree, but what is the reason?
So... once again I failed to see your point is decisive Factor. I am quite sorry
That actually a fair point, because you lose your faith in Conrad.
However trusting Conrad or not can be Valid and a factor, but not decisive.
Trusting him or not only affect future(In your explanation)
Which is not relevant to the choice much(quite far-fetch).
Because this is just POTENTIAL.
Basically can neglect unless you can state why that potential is very likely to happen.
I can say anyone in A New Frontier will POTENTIALLY hurt me.
Is this what you're saying?
So, I does look forward on you to further your point shooting Conrad,
Please give me solid reason
, I kind of frustrated always have to guess what you're saying 
And you always distracting with smokescreen
That not even answering Main Reason to side with Clementine
Ok, I'll indulge with this post and not much further. Two main points of looking at it are Conrad pointed a gun at some dudes nephew, or Conrad pointed a gun and threatened clementine. If I was an uncle, and shockingly I am instead of the typical 14 year old who thinks ANF is so badass, I would have shot the second he did that. If i wasn't, and he was a shit enough person to take a little girl hostage as revenge for his wife, I would have shot his ass dead. Am I being clear enough, or do I need to elaborate further? Cause I feel like I'm clear enough.
I think the right choice was to kill him, in my opinion. To me, him pointing a gun to me and my nephew just so he can use a 13 year old-girl (the same girl who tried to help defend Prescott) as a bargaining chip is not justified from me not shooting him. The only choice that makes it justifiable is when Clem shoots the person who had Francine held hostage.
It also boiled down the the fact that the man actually goes through with killing you and Gabe if you don’t make a decision in time. In my first playthrough, I stayed silent So I wouldn’t have to make a choice. Then when he shot us, I shot him in an instant when I respawned. I could care less about Conrad at that point.
Besides, it’s not like Conrad contributes to the story if he lives. He’s not a Ben or a Carley or Doug. Sure he can live through the whole season, but the man gets no development and his appearances are simply quick 30 seconds of dialogue. He’s far from being considered the best determinant character in my book.
I think Telltale said they regret doing that scene.And he can contribute to the story to me,the guy avenged his wife if you let him kill Badger in episode 3,i liked how he really tried to redeemed himself he even save you at the end of episode 4,i'm just sad he disappeared at the start of episode 5.Let's hope he makes a cameo in The Final Season.
Tbh Conrad contributes more to the story than any of the determinant characters in season 2 (in my opinion). I mean when you spare him, you get a completely different scene where Javier, Tripp, and Conrad interact. Conrad apologizes, offers Javi the gun instead of him. Also you can have a choice of Conrad killing Badger which I found interesting since alot of people missed it. Then in episode 4, Conrad leaves the group (which I'm glad Telltale made Conrad leave because if he didn't he would've been caught by Joan's people along with Tripp and Ava), then he comes back and saves Javier from the guy who was going to kill him and he was willing to save him when the truck hits. But at least we get to see what happens to Conrad if he makes it to the last episode. We know that in the last episode he stays in New Richmond with Javier and his family. And we actually get some good dialogue between Javi and Conrad. The reason why he gets less and less line within each episode is probably due to the fact that not that many people kept him alive (I don't know how hard it is for Telltale to keep a determinant alive until the end). I do wish he had more lines like Carley or Ben but at least he actually does live and change the scenes of the story a bit.
Yeah I agree he did contribute to the story and I liked that you can let him kill badger, get different scenes, and dialogue that not that many people got.
And hopefully we see him at Richmond and not get killed off.
Conrad could have been used more, though I didn't understand his bargaining chip with Clementine when he wanted to 'kill' (find the people responsible) for taking his home and killing Francine. Literally the first person at the gate is coincidentally the same person who was at the Prescott gate and Conrad didn't do anything about that, later on; there is a plot inconsistency in Episode 4 where Conrad says he wants to 'sit this one out', despite his earlier intentions. Not sure why he'd suddenly change his mind, especially after seeing the thievery from Episode 3, unless his intention was to only kill Badger (and Javier determinately kill Max).
They could have done so much more with Conrad in Episode 5, perhaps even tied him in with saving Ava or Tripp as a special ending to those that choose to save him, but unfortunately he's nowhere to be found until the end, which is both confusing because he was with us at the end of episode 4 and disappointing.
If I can recall, he is better than any other determinate in Season 2, Sarah/Nick for obvious reasons.
I gave up Clem to begin with so, twas happy with my outcome(s). That is all.
Honestly probably one of the hardest decisions for me Conrad does have a point and is always good to see more characters he even comes out and says that wasn't him in the train and turns into a good guy, but we've known Clem since s1 it's hard for me to betray Clem because I know how good the person is, but Conrad does shoot Gabe and Javi if you don't make a decision which to me is the deal breaker he holds a kid hostage and kills a kid and Javi if you don't make a decision I'm very split on the choice but I side towards shooting him
Still pissed how they just wrote him completely out of episode 5...Just too difficult to animate the 10 frames of him running away at the start I guess? He should've been with the group on the rooftops too, given us some extra dialogue when Tripp dies or maybe even saves Ava and make the choices REALLY have an impact.
Rushed games make rushed results
Yeah, that bothered me too.
Although he does show up during the final section reading a book Francine recommended on the Chapel steps.
I agree with you I mean let's note some things here yes I am parcial to Clem because i love her to death aside from that just because I love one character doesn't mean I won't feel the same way towards another but really Conrad has giving Javi the cold shoulder since I took up for Clem at the bar and he clearly wasn't thinking rite because his wife just died so he was really just trying to use Clem to help his own ass if he was listening to there conversation then he also heard her say she wasn't apart of that group anymore so what happened to his wife had nothing to do with Clem at all I mean u can't remove a burn scar unless u cut it off etc and what drew the line for me is when he threatened to shoot Gabe and does if u take to long leading to game over but the fact that your playing Javi and this is his family and if it was my nephew and this unstable guy threatening to shoot my nephew if I do not do as he says yea I would have shot him to 1 Gabe is my family 2 Clem has done nothing but help my family and 3 this guy is unstable I do not know him and he is threatening my family case and point.