Season 2 should have used Season 4's story premise (kids)
Season 2, 9ish year old Clem needed a group in which she could flourish and have impact and realistic encounters with the other characters, instead of her awkwardly going toe-to-toe with grown-ups like we actually got.
I've felt this long before Season 4's reveal, but seeing them now use this idea essentially 2 seasons late, when Clem has already grown up a lot and is in the most capable position of her life, just makes me more sad at the missed opportunities of the last 2 seasons.
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I'm sort of inclined to agree.
Season 2 was a uncharted and delicate time where Clementine getting to see different kids/youths way of surviving and coping was sort of a perogative that was brought up a number of times, but was seldom taken advantage of outside of one aborted major case.
Like, if Violet in particular debuted back then instead of at this point down the line, I'd probably be less inclined to turn my nose up at her attempt to be empowered-progressive in the laziest way possible in part due to the inherent speciation issue being fixed.
The Final Season pulling this premise now does come off as a severe unique shake-up that the game series needed, but it also comes off as "too little, too late" considering we've gone through a short bus of perfectly good kid/youth candidates, almost all of whom were wiped out.
EDIT:Since Season 2's story/premise was a talking point recently, I'm gonna bump this guy's thread to let people get any untaken gander.
Since Season 2's story/premise was a talking point recently, I'm gonna bump this guy's thread to let people get any untaken gander.
Feel free to delete this post after a day or two of no dice.
to an extent, they can still rectify that via flashbacks
I don’t think the idea is too late. Clementine is still a teenager, and I think the premise can still work in S4.
I just hope there's no retarded kids doing stupid decisions because if they fucking survived 5 years in hell they can't be that stupid...right...RIGHT!?
Also if there's some kids like duck it's simply impossible for them to live without an ADULT group protecting them...I'm still not convinced that's all the charecters we will see in ep 1.And yeah clem meeting all these kids now is useless because she's just a hardened survivor to the point it's just another group to loose kind of dejavu but if it were to happen in s2 clem would've been affected by them and their deaths...
Eh, I don't know. I remember someone saying that she's probably 16 now, while all the Boarding School characters seem to be fairly young teens.
Regardless, this still has a bit of a "too little, too late" vibe given all the various candidates that we've had come and go in the many installments before this.
Which makes Violet in particular, like, wonder redundant.
I thought they looked close to Clementine’s age (except ten obviously), I think Louis looks even older then Clem. If Clem does end up being older it most likely wouldn’t be by much, and if she is significantly older by 2 or 3 years somehow that wouldn’t make the concept any less interesting, at least for me.
You mean the previous children/teenagers? I don’t quite understand.
Mm...fair enough, I suppose.
Precisely.
Some are certainly more dynamic/developed and unique/speciated than others, but we've still been through over a short bus full of perfectly good kid/youth characters over the course of five installments, regardless of their relationship, meaning, or even relevance regarding Clementine.
I mean, it’s not like kids and teenagers are borderline extinct. Their are more younger survivors in TWD, if they have (or had) proper protection and guidance like Clementine did, their could still be kids and teenagers. We know basically jack about these teenage survivors and what happened at this boarding school, they most likely had protection and guidance from other adults who could possibly still be alive.
I know. It's mostly just one of the biggest examples of the inherent frustration that comes with being a somewhat long-time fan/follower of the series/story.
It's just so bizarre that so many different characters of that age range and demographic got such relatively little utilization altogether in a series/story that stars and was represented by a little girl.
In another universe we got the ragtag band of Clem, Sarah and Becca.
They would have played well off each other.
I can definitely agree with that.
I could imagine Becca belittling Sarah, being the bitchiest person towards her and patronizing Clem
but then she would have some character development, and if anything you could use her to toughen up Sarah, have a scene where Sarah stands up for herself and Clem.
Honestly, I wish some 400 days characters made more of an appearance. Bonnie was the worst possible person to join Kenny's/Carlo's group. She got Alvin,Reggie(even though I dont give a fuck about reggie lol),Carlos, and Walter killed. To make matters worse, she tried to "make things right" yet left Kenny, Jane, clem, and baby aj for dead in the freezing cold. I think Shel and Becca would've been better additions to the group.
That sounds about right. Though it also reminds me that they could've done something to that effect with Jane as well, albeit with different connotations.
Fun fact: When I was doing my contribution on Becca for dan's thread, I actually had different death scenes in mind for her and one of them had Sarah inadvertently shove her off/into something. I later decided against the general concept when I got around to my Season rewrites proper, if you can call them that.
How did she get Carlos and especially Reggie killed?
Fixed.
All they needed to do was include Becca into the storyline as a rival to Clementine. There wasn't any need to have a whole group of kids in season 2. It would have been a better idea for season 3 to do that.
Too bad ANF kinda made the whole point of her pointless/redundant.
Bonnie is a fuckup. She's the female Ben. It's kinda intentional.
I kept imagining the greenhouse scene as having Clem, Sarah, and Becca under Reggie's supervision. Becca's been needling Clem and Sarah for a while now, and finally one of them snaps. I'm not sure who it should be. I thought about having Becca teasingly take off Clementine's hat, not knowing the significance it carries to her. So then Clementine snaps.
But it also be nice to have Sarah stand up for Clem there. So, tough choice.
But either way, I figured fight would break out, and the would end up knocking over the tables and breaking several plants, which would of course get Reggie in trouble for not supervising them properly and pretty much lead to him dying the same way.
This all comes as a huge wakeup call to Becca, and she tries to change her attitude. (oh, and I guess for starting the fight she gets thrown in the pen with the rest of them as punishment. Character interaction time! If we had proper hub.)
That's essentially the idea.
Extra points if you consider that Sarah tried to be friends with Becca in the past.
Oh damn.
That'd be kinda messed up.
Well ain't that some shit.
Jane being an adult, that would just come across as silly.
So why did you decide against those ideas?
She looks like Sarah in that picture, minus glasses. Remember when I said fanart had that problem? They look distinct in game but it's hard to draw them for some reason.
Yeah, but I think it would make more sense that what happened for real.
I like how you forgot to acknowledge that point and had to make sure you did.
Yeah, possibly, though I was more thinking that it'd be more dramatic and serious.
Because I realized Becca wasn't the type of antagonist that would warrant/be fitting of some of those scenarios, generally speaking.
The latest one near the end of the episode was particularly out of proportion.
I'm looking at pictures of them side by side right now and yeah, their designs are actually pretty damn similar without the minute detail and nuances between them. They even have a similar part in their hair on the same side.
The biggest facial differences besides the glasses is that Becca is more angular and slight whereas Sarah is a tad more rounded and ironically dense with messier hair, including a messy round "bang" on the opposite side. And even then, the fact that 400 Days is something of a transition between Season 1's artstyle to Season 2's may be making much of the difference there.
I remember taking a crack at it a year or two ago and Becca was definitely my [2nd] least favorite of the five to draw.
I know. Still arguably more of a punch.
And as for that picture, well it just goes to show there's nothing I can think up that hasn't been done already. Damn.
Now you're just baiting me.
Anyway, Walking Dead is full of sadistic ends. I actually haven't seen Sarah's deck death for quite a while now. It only seems to get more disturbing the older I get. (I know it's just a cartoon, but dammit)
Really now? What makes you say that?
About what?
I know, I've noticed/heard.
It's a wonder why I even considered watching the show.
"Just a cartoon."
cold hard facts. but I am not dredging through all my posts to look for evidence. fuck that.
I think on the whole the TV show is less disturbing than the comic, but since one is drawings and the other is with real people your mileage may vary.
K.
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Yeah, that's definitely a factor in why I was always avoidant of the show.
Also, I came across this again a few days ago
...Is the comic actually any good?
I'm sure they think thats "tongue-in-cheek hilarious" or something.
Honestly, I'm not sure. I'd say it's readable, but it lacks the punch it had when I first read it. It seems hollow compared to how good Telltale's walking dead was. And I never quite got used to the art change.
With covers like that and characters like Negan, the Governor, and to a lesser extent Michonne, you can see why I just kinda assumed it's a book full of shock shlock that "challenged" the industry.
I stopped reading just as Negan came in. I was satisfied to leave it at that. Now I'm thinking I might read over the whole series, but I might as well wait until it actually finishes. (hopefully soon, its been going on too damn long)
Yeah, the more I think about the shock value of the comic, the lower my opinion of it gets.
There's definitely some attempt at pathos, but compared to the telltale series, not a heck of a lot.
Meanwhile, the TV show tries to expand on the comic but fails just as often as it succeeds, often creating plot holes, making characters dumber and just dragging things out too long or rushing through them.
Kirkman said he planned to do at least 300 issues and more if he's still having "fun" so yeah..
And the Tv Show is probably gonna end after season 10 or 11.
I think the comics are worth reading,it's still really good,
not sure if the show is worth watching,they're doing a great job with Fear The Walking Dead right now so there's a chance season 9 could actually be good.