So what could you hear from the E3 reveal gameplay?
I'm pretty annoyed that telltale didn't just release the gameplay on it's own and call it a pre-alpha gameplay showcase, without the interviewers and devs speaking over it. Also yes it sucked that nearly all interviews were the same but what could you guys hear? https://youtube.com/watch?v=IUBhdJg0pqU
I'm just itching to see more gameplay so I figured people could share what they could hear, I'm only trying to find out the full Marlon and Clem conversation as well as the Clem and AJ first night conversation. I don't mind if we can't get anything from this, but from the Marlon and Clem convo I could hear what everyone else could; 'you've been standing out here a while......' 'you sound surprised......' 'oh no no no......' and then grins at Clem. As for the AJ and Clem convo, which is my favourite part, I hear Clem sending AJ to bed but he says '2 more minutes' and she says ''tell you what.. 'fsjg sjs' '' and then when they sit down on the bed he's probably talking about how safe this place is, saying there 'are gangs(outside)'. It's clear that I can't hear much, but those are my 2 cents! Also, COLLECTIBLES CONFIRMED WOO BOAT COLLECTIBLE BOURBON COLLECTIBLE
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You been.. living out there a while.. it’s weird to see people our age alone in the wild.
Hmm you sound surprised, like you think I can’t handle myself..
No no No not all at all. Sorry, I didn’t mean to come off that way, and honestly.. it’s pretty cool.
I found out more. YAS i like marlon
What a time to be alive in this community people asking questions and answering them themselves! That's fantaaastic.
I'm wondering what they mean by collectibles. Will we decorate AJ's room with them or simply have them available in the extras menu? Will they have an effect on gameplay or not? So many questions
Given the world this takes place in, I'd bet money that at best they're just something you can see displayed in the game, like a trophy case type situation. What I mean is, they can't have a gameplay effect. It's not Fallout or something with +1 to charisma or something.
ooooh what if the collectibles are throwbacks to previous seasons? Clem's walkie, Sarah's glasses, or Lee's arm, lol.
I would imagine all we will get is some on screen message “4 of 10 Widgets collected” and that’s it. But if they are somehow tangible, I hope they are baseball cards so Clem can find Javi’s and black out some teeth and drawn an eye patch on him.
lol that's a good easter egg for Javi, assuming he's not in the game at all, but why the teeth and eye thing? Is there a way for him to lose teeth and an eye?
I would so love a Javier Garcia baseball card. Reminders of older characters are always welcome (and for realism's sake, maybe of characters Clem's come across that we haven't seen her meet)
I’m just the kind of an asshole who would do that, there is no way for that to happen. But how much fun would it be for Clem to turn up in Richmond with a defaced baseball card for Javi to sign?
How about this then. Lee was a Professor at UGA, which is a big time college. So it’s well within reason to assume at some point Lee wrote a book on the Civil War. With Clem being at a school this season, she could stumble across a copy of it, but is unable to read it with zero reading comprehension skills. So she has to learn to read so she can read his book.
(I really need to stop doing stuff like this to myself, there is no way Telltale would do something cool like that.)
Who says she can't read? She was 8 when it started, already in school. Even if no one helped her reading, she'd still have basic reading skills but it's actually more likely that she had to improve her reading skills so she'd know what she was looking at when scavenging stuff. In fact, as I recall, she was reading medication bottles in ANF when looking for medicine for AJ. She knows how to read.
No, Clem is functionally illiterate. She has a first grade education and has had zero chance to actually improve it. Sure she could probably read some Dr. Seuss. But she has no formal education which would allow her to have any sort actual comprehension of what she is reading beyond “Hop on Pop”. Kids develop reading skills through actual education not reading road signs during an apocalypse.
Again, who says no one helped her learn to read more? Who says she couldn't practice on her own? The games have taken place over a span of 8 to 9 years (including the time jump between ANF and TFS). There's A LOT of Clem's life we haven't seen and when it comes to interesting, entertaining, or compelling gameplay, Clem learning to read better isn't anywhere near those lists. Just because we haven't seen it doesn't mean it didn't happen. She spent well over a year with Christa, and depending on how you play it, she may have spent about 2 years with Kenny. We don't see her poop but we don't assume she doesn't poop.
I think your mistaking functionally illiterate for being illiterate. Sure Clem knows her letters, she knows how to form words with those letters. But to think she is able to read any book past a grade school level, nope. She hasn’t had an education, there is a huge difference from knowing your letters to being able to comprehend what your reading at a high level. Yes she is a smart girl, but if you think Clem was develop her reading skills while on the road, your wrong. As with all things in an education sense, if you don’t use it you lose it.
And also I’m not saying I want to teach Clem to read, but a scene where we get shown how little of an education she has had would be nice... but now that I have said it a QTE of her trying to read would a whole hell of lot better than the non stop action set pieces were about to be served.
Probably some lootbox mechanic.
Do you seriously think that just because school stopped being a thing kids went to, no one would teach her how to read beyond what she had already learned? Mariana knew how to read and write and she was younger than Clem. Clearly Javi and Kate taught her how to read and write, and someone, probably Christa, very likely would have taught Clem. You don't have to be a professional teacher to teach a kid to read. Didn't your parents help you learn to read when you were little?
Do you really think just knowing letters is enough? Do you understand why we force students to read books, why there is a reading curriculum? Because you have to develop your reading skills over time. That doesn’t happen by reciting an alphabet. Or going cccccaaaaaaatttttt over and over. Reading is a skill you develop over time, a skill you reinforce each year by taking on newer and harder subjects. By being questioned and forced to think critically about what you just read. Clem has none of that, which is why she is functionally illiterate and would tnot be able to comprehend a book written by a college professor for adults.
And don’t throw the Garcia’s at me. They existed in shangrila riding around in their fucking van. The reality of the situation is that none of those kids can read beyond a third grade level. That is not enough education, and the problem is compounded by the fact that what even the little they did get would have been sporadic at best. Also do think Christa was sitting Clem down each night for study time? Maybe when Omid was alive but not after.
I’m sorry you folks don’t understand how an education works but it doesn’t work at all when your on the road constantly on the move. Walking each day to the point of exhaustion, starving and killing everything you see.
Clem is a functional illiterate, that’s all there is to it.
Do you really think people are going to spend years with a kid and not read at all? Sure, that seems likely right now, but take away tv and smart phones and video games and what's left? You think Clem and Christa just sat around staring at each other for 16 months? You don't suppose maybe they spent some portion of their time reading, Christa helping Clem learn to read through practice? It's like you're intentionally trying to be obtuse and not grasp what I'm saying.
-Sometime during the 16 months they were together-
Christa: Hey I found another book in decent shape. Let's work on your reading some more when we make camp.
Clem: Ok.
LATER: Clem begins reading, Christa helps her with any words she struggles with.
Yeah sure I’m being obtuse, let’s go with it. So they only read during the day tho right? Because reading a book by campfire light is not happening... as a matter of fact they would have used that book for kindling.
Sure. There's literally millions of old chairs and tables that can be broken down, not to mention trees and limbs all over the forests, but yeah, let's go ahead and jump straight to burning books for warmth since that fits your narrative of Clem never improving her reading skills past second grade level.
So in order to make fire you just put a lighter to an old chair and poof you got yourself a good cooking fire? You seriously have no idea what your talking about do you?
Look you don’t agree with me, that’s fine. But stop stretching everything out in order to make me wrong.
Clem is a functional illiterate, you obviously have no idea that means, not how much light a campfire puts out nor do you know how to make a fire. It’s cool, there is plenty of stuff I don’t know how to do either.
Riiiiiiight, because they totally haven't been talking about having tons of hub areas and opportunities for exploration, as well as a focus on character development and interaction. /s
Dead leaves. Dry grass. Old papers in people's houses. You can even shred wood itself to make tinder to start a fire. Hell, the cloth off old furniture or the tattered clothes from a walker would work, assuming they're dry. Again, jumping to burning books. But let's say they do use books to start fires. It'd take no more than 10 pages to get a fire going. You think they'll at best find 1 book every 3 or 4 weeks, because depending on the size of the books it'd take 3 to 4 weeks, on average, to literally burn through a smallish novel? That's 210 to 280 pages. I'm 100% certain they could manage to find more than 1 book per month. Even if Clem was reading short children's books, which it's safe to assume she would be at first, using 1 novel a month to start fires while she reads through 30 kids books, one per night, is not unreasonable.
And I really don't know what you're talking about campfire light not being enough to read. Have you been camping? Have you built campfires? I have. A lot. Unless you're legally blind a campfire sure as shit will put out enough light to read by. No, it's not bright as day but it's plenty enough to read. How do you think people used to read at night before electricity? They used candles, which are even less light than a campfire. Not that making campfires at night out in the wilderness is a good idea during a zombie apocalypse, anyway. The fire would just attract walkers that can see it and you won't be able to see them until they're really close.
You cling to the assertion that Clem can't read, is functionally illiterate, simply because society collapsed when she was in 2nd grade. You seem so certain that no one, in the 8-9 years since the collapse (including the ANF-TFS time jump), helped her improve on her reading skills. Why are you so certain that no one helped her with reading or that she didn't take it upon herself to improve her reading (maybe grab a dictionary, which has pronunciation guides)? Why are you so certain that she is functionally illiterate? Nevermind the fact that functional illiteracy in a ZA is very different than what you probably have in mind. It means unable to function in the world because you can't read well enough to perform jobs or handle every day situations. I'm not sure functionally illiterate is even an actual thing in a ZA when the most reading anyone actually needs to do is reading road signs or the labels on things they loot enough to know what it is. I think anyone who could read at all, even at second grade levels, would be considered functionally literate. But I digress. I still want to know why you're so damned convinced she never touched another book after Lee found her.
Let me throw it right back at you, why are you so certain someone did spend enough time teaching her enough to read a college professors book, which will be dry, boring and hard to follow even for someone with a middle school education. Why are you so sure she got that level of teaching? I never argued she couldn’t read at all, I said couldn’t read at a level above the first grade. Which is an easy assumption to make, your over here laying out a course curriculum for her and saying I’m being obtuse. Hi Pot my name is Kettle.
On to the fire, if you have made so may fires then you know that in order to make them bright enough to read by, they have to be huge and hot, so hot you can’t sit close enough to read by them, and they are so big your going to attract Walkers, that’s why they were not reading by the fire at night. As for “back in the day” people did not read by campfire light either, they used candles and lanterns and other devices which magnified light but not heat. Or you going to assert they had a stash of candles or lanterns?
Clem did not have the time, energy nor did she have the tools necessary to advance her reading skills much beyond where they already were. Now can we stop this, it’s stupid and boring. I’m not backing down I thought this shit through a long damn time ago. And no amount of your head canon bunk is going to change my mind
... shit, edit
Functionally Illiterate is the same no matter where you are, apocalypse or not. It’s being able to read but not at a level above that of a grade school child. Which is what she is.
Well think I have previously made it perfectly clear that I don’t buy what they are saying.
I'm not 100% certain that Christa would have taught Clem how to read, but I feel like it's a reasonable assumption given that they spent so much time together, presumably just the two of them, with nothing else to keep them occupied during down time other than each other and there wouldn't be much for them to talk about. Clem would have very few stories from before and Christa would know most everything from Clem meeting Lee on and what little she didn't already know wouldn't take more than a day or two for Clem to tell. Maybe I'm transposing too much of myself into the situation, but boredom would force me to do anything I could to occupy my time, and that means finding books to read and teaching Clem how to read better.
Like I said, before electricity, people read by candle light. idk any candles that burn as giant 3 foot flames, which you seem to think is required for reading. Try it. Wait till night time. Grab a candle (everyone should have candles for emergencies. If you don't, get some next time you can, just in case), go into a room and close the door. Light the candle then turn off the lights. Give your eyes a few seconds to adjust then read a book. It's really not that hard. It's not as easy as with electric lights or daylight, and you do have to hold the book in such a way that the light hits the pages, but it's really not hard... unless your eyes are complete garbage.
As for 'functionally illiterate,' http://www.dictionary.com/browse/functional-illiterate
First, there's not really a standard anymore after the collapse of civilization though I think you're applying the pre-collapse standard to post collapse people. Secondly, even second grade reading skills would be functionally enough for people who only need to be able to read the occasional label or road sign or billboard.
How did this thread turn into an argument over Clementine's reading skills
It's the charm coming out of this community's ass.
You're right I'm sure they're completely lying and the final season will have, in fact, zero hubs or opportunities for exploration nor any character interaction or relationship building. /s
No dialogue either, it’s gonna be like the Quite Place.
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There was a 3 month timeskip in season one where Lee would've had time to help Clem increase her reading skills.
Remember, Lee was a teacher (I know he was a history teacher, but still, he has experience in teaching). And at that point they still believed the world would go back yo normal soon, so more reason to keep doing the 'normal' things.
There would be no point in reading in an apocalypse, the survivors are extremely desperate and would use books for kindling. I don't think Christa would bother as Clem's 3rd grade reading skills are satisfactory, not like you're going to read anything more complicated than 'rest stop here'
I know this comes as a shock to most kids these days but people read for fun and to pass the time. There would be times when they have nothing to do, no walkers around, or they're perfectly safe, sleeping in an abandoned house or something, and they want to pass the time, quietly.