Hey, TellTale, why the fuck is Javi not returning?
If anyone were to return, it should be him. There needs to be an explanation for why Clem and AJ aren't in Richmond. I know it's too late to change it now but this is really frustrating. Are you just gonna pretend like ANF didn't happen? Why in the hell would Clem have AJ out wandering the world when they had an open place in Richmond, safe behind walls? Why in the hell would she choose to stay out there instead of safe behind walls? If Richmond fell, fine, but that's something we should see.
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I want him too but it's too late for this.Maybe he will be mentioned a little in a conversation in TFS or maybe something like that...
Hah, no
Because ANF wasn't the story that the majority asked for - And there are more prevalent characters that deserve to return, like Christa or Lilly.
I sure hope Telltale pretends that ANF didn't happen, that game is terrible.
I mean kinda why the jump to S4 from ANF is gonna feel kinda janky, for episode 1 atleast. Seems like ANF is being thrown away so sequel wise it feels weird. However I feel this makes more sense to forget ANF than what they did by forgetting S1 and S2. I will say I do hope they dont completely go "ANF never happened." There needs to be some kind of reason for why Clem didnt go back to Richmond.
Christa or Lily or anyone else showing up after so many years and so many miles, especially after Kenny miraculously showed up in season 2, is so far beyond the realm of coincidence that it's burst through into purely ludicrous fantasy. The only ones it's reasonable to run into again would be Javi and whoever survived with him, maybe whichever Richmond leader disappeared at the end of season 3 if they need an antagonist. By the timeline, Lily drove away 8 years ago, Christa was attacked and presumed killed 6 years ago. Arvo or anyone else from season 2 were also last seen 6 years ago and a minimum of 300 miles away. Howe's was located in Tennessee, and even from the northeastern most area, where I actually live, it's a 300 mile straight shot to Richmond, more going by roads. We don't yet know where Clem is exactly in season 4, but I'm willing to bet it's still somewhat near Richmond, and in a world where death could be lurking behind literally every bush and where people have no ties to specific places anymore, the idea that any two people happen to stumble upon each other 6+ years and hundreds of miles later is ridiculous. If Christa survived, it's likely she would have continued north to Wellington, but then been turned away so she could have gone anywhere, west, south, east to the ocean, further north. Lily literally could have gone anywhere.
I'll admit that yes it's technically possible that Clem could run into someone she knew in previous seasons, it's not impossible, but the odds are so low it's practically impossible, like winning the lottery, twice even. They already had one miracle reunion, with Kenny, any others would be too unrealistic and completely immersion breaking.
I think so.This game is such a intermediate game.Because:
You are right but Kenny and Clem have encountered despite two years pass.Why don't Clem and Christa meet for years?
Because he was a terrible character and this season will focus on aj and Clem not needless distraction.
That's a really passive aggressive title
I know that I. am pretending ANF didn’t happen and am somewhat pleased that Telltale seems to be following suit.
Lol
Fuck Javi and his determinant dog shit family.
Swear.
He should only be in TFS if we're allowed to scramble his noggin
F@ck Gabe the last person that will be in relationship with Gabe is clementine
It disgusts me so much that people feel entitled to have any control over the writing or direction of the game just because "we asked for it and we're fans". Because of you we're missing TONS of scenarios that could happen but TTG won't be brave enough because they know there would be an outrage and you so called "fans" would threaten to abandon the game.
°Because this season is centered around Clementine&AJ with little room for Javier.
°I'd rather he not come back. Javier is one of the few characters who had a fitting ending to his story that shouldn't be undone for him to return solely because he was in ANF. Kenny is a key example of a character who returning for another season ultimately was a significant regression of the character.
ANF deserves to be forgotten because it didn't give two shits about our choices and story in the first 2 seasons, Clementine is exactly the same (42 versions of her was obviously a lie, the worst since No Man's Sky) and it destroyed every single ending of Season 2 (Making the Alone Ending be what everyone should consider canon).
If ANF gave us a middle finger, it deserves a bigger one. It's nothing but a time waster if you chose to go alone in Season 2.
they should atleast have some sort of explanation like let s say Richmond was destroyed but Javi and some of the survivors in it survived the event but had to leave the area with Clem deciding to stay with AJ there instead of going with them... i mean i get that alot of People dont like the ANF crew but it really shouldnt just gloss over stuff like this.
His story wrapped up pretty well so I don't want them to bring him back and completely demolish the one character they concluded properly. The thing from ANF I'm mildly annoyed with is Clint/Joan weren't dealt with in the finale. So now I have to just assume they were killed in the herd.
Telltale is also probably confused and think the fanbase is all over the place because when ANF was out people couldn't wait to get rid of the Garcia's and now they're asked at E3 about the Garcia's returning.
He'll only be back if there is pudding because he loves it.
First of all, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's practically a fact that the majority did not ask for ANF. If you were here when that game released, you should've seen the massive amounts of threads from fans complaining about the game. Javi's story is absolutely something I was not interested in and was only shifted into the game because Telltale couldn't find a decent way to deal with Season 2's endings. What I asked was for a respectable continuation to these endings, not a massive flop of choices not mattering. This is a massive problem with Telltale choices and I'd wish they'd hire more people who can map these choices out for the future rather than walk around it.
No, that's the complete opposite. Telltale doesn't go into 'tons' of scenarios anyway (at least not since season 1), and even if that is the case, they should've done this with the Season 2 endings. It's not because of fans at all. It's hilarious to think that the fans are responsible for not making these scenarios happen. It's a complete failure from Telltale in trying something different and where your choice matters. The outrage comes from the fact that they made an atrocious sequel, not because of our opinions.
Sure, there are plenty of scenarios from ANF's endings, but none of these characters interests me. Leave it to the fans that care about a future ANF 2, let the Final Season be the focus on Clementine.
And no, I don't feel entitled to control any writing or direction over the game. I don't even see how this would matter considering they've been ignoring our suggestions anyhow. But I will say that doing such a poor job at it will simply result in the fans getting just a 'tad bit' upset. To me, ANF wasn't about what mattered; Clementine. I think Javi is alright as a character and is perhaps one of the only exceptions to that game, but It'd still be far more preferable for Lilly or Christa to return because I'm more interested in their characters more, I want to see how they've evolved since their last appearance.
To HillBilly_Dave:
I mean, don't get me wrong, you ARE right about the fact that such an appearance from Lilly or Christa would be very rare. It's one of the excuses that Telltale could give for not bringing these characters back. And to be fair, I wouldn't mind having these characters in DLC form instead. But even despite this, I'm willing to throw the chances of them meeting away because their characters were so damn memorable, especially Lilly to me. You'd also think that between Christa and Clementine that there would be a lot of history as well since they did spend a long time together. I would like to see this explored. With Javi, It's a character I'm not particularly fond of. His story is boring to me, the only reason he seems to stand out from the rest of the characters is that he WAS the main character in ANF, not something that I asked for. If anything, his presence should stay in Richmond for a potential ANF 2 and have those endings carry over from ANF 1. I'd like to think of this as Telltale's little experimenting with how they make choices mattering. Otherwise, if he returns for the Final Season, it's very likely we'll just get a few dialogue interactions between him and Clementine and that's it, something that ANF 1 did to explain Season 2, and we know how that turned out to be.
~meanwhile in an alternate universe~
Your reply has to be the most well-thought out, logically sound response that I've read by far on this thread. I couldn't agree with you more and thank you for saving me the time of laying this out.
The only thing I want to add is to your point where you stated: "No, that's the complete opposite. Telltale doesn't go into 'tons' of scenarios anyway (at least not since season 1), and even if that is the case, they should've done this with the Season 2 endings.".
This is entirely correct. Telltale put themselves into a corner by rushing ANF. By rushing, I mean considering the flashbacks, there's no reason it couldn't have been a much longer game, like MCSM S1.
The right way for it to have gone to please everyone, would've been to deal with the season 2 endings in a straightforward manner. They could've easily told the backstory and still gave us the endings they did with all endings over the course of the first 2-3 episodes.
Ideally, after either the deaths of the chosen character Clem decided to go with, or the fall of Wellington [omitting going alone because she most likely would've ended up at Wellington w/ AJ just to make things easier on the story], Javi would get introduced the same way he was, as in receiving that distraught call from David.
Think about it. After having either gotten comfortable thinking you'd be with either Kenny,Jane, or living it up at Welling for the 1st half of ANF; you'd be ready for something to help cushion the blow that was just dealt. What, it would've took maybe a 10-15 minute scene of Clem surviving after whichever S2 ending, before she was to run into someone from ANF? Hence, this is where the story-lines could've properly merged and had been truly appreciated far more in depth. Basically, for the latter 4-5 episodes of what should've been an 8 episode game, ANF could've used a writer or two from JJ Abram's Westworld S1.
More time could've been used in the later 4-5 episodes to expand on Clem's time with the New Frontier [playing as Clem], and could've provided a lot more hubs, interactions, +character development on both Clem & Javi's side...but what do I know?
Javi isn't returning,"but you don't have to be a bitch about it".
"Hey, TellTale, why the fuck is Javi not returning?"
So everyone should just shut up and let TTG do whatever they want?
They meant that at the end of the day Telltale are the people who are creating the game. They have to come up with a story, create models, create enviornments and all that game Dev stuff. They should be able to make a game that they believe will perform well without having a long list of complaints from fans because they don't like the sound of the project.
Telltale should be given the freedom and breathing room to make a game. They get way too much shit and it is unfair. I think we should as a community should lighten up and let them do the work they specialise in.
Guys, I think you're all getting a bit delusional now. How are we letting telltale do this? This company is known for continuing stories in future seasons based on the endings of past seasons, it's what makes them so good, albeit there has been very few continuations (got, twau).This just sucks. We have so mnay more choices left over from ANF and I hope that thy are going for flashbacks, but if that were the case, then we would have heard about it from telltale. Season 3 was a breath of fresh air and I don't mind it, because it closely resembles the arc that the comic is in right now, The New World Order. The biggest problem is because of how badly the writers handled it. I didn't cry once. LIKE COME ON MAN none of the deaths were sad. David said look after one another or some soppy crap.
I'm fine if they want to sideline Javi or even kill him off. I just feel like we need closure on the season 3 storyline and in order to get it he'd have to be in the game, at least for a scene or two. It's just gonna feel really weird for season 3 to end with Clem knowing she has a safe place to bring AJ and season 4 starting with her and AJ on the road years later. Why? They're gonna have to address this and in order to do it right, Javi needs to be present, even if it's only a small flashback where we see Richmond attacked and Javi killed as Clem takes AJ and they both GTFO.
Interesting....
It sounds like they meant they're upset they're not getting tons of content they personally want related to the worst received game in the series because a bunch of people didn't particularly care for it. Because TT is still a business, and businesses need to deliver content the fan base at large wants to see. As a paying consumer, I'm not going to chow down on something as overcooked as ANF and come back to the restaurant next week because the cook did their best. Regardless of what management says about hiring a new cook, that bad taste is going to taint any idea of return business. It's kind of absurd to tell people to pay up and believe, if they weren't charging, sure, but when you're appealing to a fan base and your last product has alienated/lost as many customers as there's did, a course correction is absolutely necessary, and all the complaints pushed the course back onto a more favorable path.
Whether or not it's too late has yet to be seen, but their recent history with the franchise has absolutely earned them the doubt they're receiving. No one who's paying for a product should immediately forget the quality of the last and blindly follow along, it's firmly on TT to draw those customers back, not the people paying to continue doing so because they'll deliver in the way they want. Businesses meet customer expectations, not their own, or they lose that financial support.
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Because his character and every new character in ANF shouldn't have ever been created. Or the whole story for that matter. It speaks volumes when you consider the main character of the series Clementine is in the game and could be removed 100% and it wouldnt have changed a thing. Oh no lets ignore the story we've been following since 2012 to have some love triangle BS with some whiny brat kid.
The best thing about ANF is seeing Kate finally die.>!
People here were asking for them to focus on clem during the whole ANF and now you want javier? WTF
I just want closure, that's all. I want a good explanation of why Clem has AJ out on the road instead of safe in Richmond with Javi where she has a place if she wants it and explaining it and showing why would entail having Javi be in it, even if only for a scene or two. And while I agree season 3 was overall the weakest of the series to date, I didn't hate it like many people seem to have, though I honestly think most of the hate is just because it somehow became fashionable to hate on season 3, not so much that all the people who bash it genuinely hated it. It's like the Nickelback thing. Somehow, decades after they blew up and got big, the internet collectively decided to hate on Nickelback even though they really aren't that bad. Someone saw the cool kids hating on season 3 so they had to do it and it spread. Now most of the people on the forums shit on it just because.
Because the majority of the fanbase didn't care about him. ANF was a drunken one night stand with someone's you find disgusting on every level and desperately want to forget about.
Or... you know... maybe people just fucking hated it?! Stop spewing bullshit. There are many perfectly valid reasons explaining why people hated ANF.
well it is the most entertainingly playable game of the series, yeah. My opinion