First of all, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's practically a fact (...) This is a massive problem with Telltale choices and I'd wish they'd hire more people who can map these choices out for the future rather than walk around it.
Is there a point there? or just some "WELL I WASN'T THE ONLY ON WHO DIDN'T LIKE IT SO I AM RIGHT", that's not how being right works.
I don't know what to say about you not being interested in Javi story, I didn't like Season 2 story, playing an 11 year old girl with the strength of a 30 years old man was kinda off putting. But I am mature enough to not try to force Telltale to do things I want.
What you asked wasn't a respectable continuation, was for TTG to forget about ANF because you and others didn't like it.
No, that's the complete opposite. (...) To me, ANF wasn't about what mattered; Clementine. I think Javi is alright as a character and is perhaps one of the only exceptions to that game, but It'd still be far more preferable for Lilly or Christa to return because I'm more interested in their characters more, I want to see how they've evolved since their last appearance.
Yes, I'm sure that constant "If Clementine dies I won't even buy the game" "If Clementine dies I will leave Telltale games forever" "If Clementine dies I will X" doesn't disencourage Telltale at all.
Also, if TWD is all about Clementine for you, how did you even go through Season 1? each Season is about a different character I don't know where did you get the idea "Walking dead is only Clementine's story", because it was also Lee's and because of ANF Javi's too.
Because the majority of the fanbase didn't care about him. ANF was a drunken one night stand with someone's you find disgusting on every level and desperately want to forget about.
I would be careful when making afirmations like that without statistics, hope you didn't base that on some vocal minority in the forums doing a circle jerk in this kind of threads to confirm that everyone doesn't care about Javi.
Sure that's a huge complaint - but that's simply because that's the character we've been following since S1 and with them advertising ANF as being a continuation with Clem being a main character but then finding out the final game was nothing like that... what did you expect? There are many other valid complaints.
I just want closure, that's all. I want a good explanation of why Clem has AJ out on the road instead of safe in Richmond with Javi where sh… moree has a place if she wants it and explaining it and showing why would entail having Javi be in it, even if only for a scene or two. And while I agree season 3 was overall the weakest of the series to date, I didn't hate it like many people seem to have, though I honestly think most of the hate is just because it somehow became fashionable to hate on season 3, not so much that all the people who bash it genuinely hated it. It's like the Nickelback thing. Somehow, decades after they blew up and got big, the internet collectively decided to hate on Nickelback even though they really aren't that bad. Someone saw the cool kids hating on season 3 so they had to do it and it spread. Now most of the people on the forums shit on it just because.
Clem is the glue that holds the main series together. Without her ANF would've lost at least 75% of its player base. The entire series was shaped up to have the main focus on Clementine beforehand, and Telltale should've known that a large majority of fans are invested in the series because of Clementine (and maybe Kenny) so its a legitimate complaint
Also I've seen people complain just as much if not more about other flaws in ANF than just that Clem wasn't the main character. You're magnifying the most pettiest complaint thrown at the game just because its easy to attack. Please stop that you guys thx
Is there a point there? or just some "WELL I WASN'T THE ONLY ON WHO DIDN'T LIKE IT SO I AM RIGHT", that's not how being right works.
I know I'm right in this. I haven't played Telltale's other games, only The Walking Dead, but I've fell in love with it since Season 1's release. Season 2 less so, but I still think it was a good story, there were several flaws like the entire cabin crew dying, Nick & Sarah dying pointless deaths, the pushing away of Christa and Omid. But what stood out is that it didn't diverge from Clementine, the original plot-point of Season 1, the reason so many fans stick around to the Walking Dead, and I'm saying this with certainty, is because of her. What did ANF do? It pushed her as a side-character, it lied that you control her (which is strictly limited to flashbacks).
Let's be honest here and ask ourselves, did we spend two seasons to suddenly care for a character nobody asked for? Why is this character being introduced? Why is Clementine being pushed to the sidelines? Why couldn't this have been it's own series?
I don't know what to say about you not being interested in Javi story.
I wanted Clementine's story, not this.
It was used as an excuse to push the endings away.
David's character was enjoyable until the end of Episode 5 where it was completely 180'd.
Bizzare choice points, remember when 95% of people chose to kill Conrad for Clementine? If I remember it was about this much... But anyway, Conrad threatens to kill Gabe if... Clementine doesn't come with them to the New Frontier...? WHAT?!
The love triange between Javi and David with Kate is completely pointless. It doesn't matter if you dismiss Kate throughout the entire story, the fight confrontation still happens.
The choice between Ava and Tripp has no weight.
The episodes are very short, which limits the amount of screen-time for each character.
The villian is really cliche and everybody following her just doesn't make sense. Why in the world would Clint and Lingard accept the treachery that Joan has done after you've exposed her? (Granted she has her reasoning which is essentionally slaughtering entire communities for their stuff,) how the hell would these two allow something like this to be accepted?!)
Taking the medicine or not for AJ is a classic example of Telltale rushing their own game, both are pretty much the same, Dr. Lingard doesn't say anything if you decide to refuse it, and AJ 'bounces back' no matter what choice you choose.
The game just doesn't try anything new.
I didn't like Season 2 story, playing an 11 year old girl with the strength of a 30 years old man was kinda off putting.
Agreed, this doesn't make sense, but is that your only point to Season 2's story not being enjoyable? I know there's a few here that didn't like it for multiple reasons.
But I am mature enough to not try to force Telltale to do things I want. What you asked wasn't a respectable continuation, was for TTG to forget about ANF because you and others didn't like it.
Does it even matter? They rarely listen to any suggestion we give to them anyhow, and FYI, forcing and suggestion is something different. If Telltale wants to continue dumping their franchise into the ground, then they're welcome to do so, but I personally do not what this. I want something that makes choices matter in some way shape or form through the actual story that we wanted. Making your choices carry over from Season to Season is something Telltale doesn't do a great job of, which is why Season 2 - ANF's transition would have been perfect for this, but they only proved the opposite. Telltale doesn't really innoative, which is what they should've done here.
You may argue that ANF also did this with it's endings, but it's within my opinion that I don't give a jack about any of these characters, I don't want it plaguing the Final Season, it should be kept for an ANF 2 for those fans instead.
Yes, I'm sure that constant "If Clementine dies I won't even buy the game" "If Clementine dies I will leave Telltale games forever" "If Clementine dies I will X" doesn't disencourage Telltale at all.
I'm saying this right now, I WOULD leave this forum. If Clementine did die in ANF or Season 2, then nearly everything becomes completely pointless, and I shouldn't even need to explain why this is. With the final season, it is different. Clementine has a purpose; To protect AJ at all costs, something that ANF should've worked on extensively. Hell, ANF should've been THE Final Season if it was made well. If Clementine does die in the Final Season given the right ethical reasons and what not, I'd be willing to stay behind on these forums (not that I'm really interested in any other Telltale title because I haven't played it, but I heard TWAU is really great so what's probably my next buy). If ANF's release didn't disencourage Telltale, then they clearly do not care for our opinions. That is pretty disrespectful itself.
Also, if TWD is all about Clementine for you, how did you even go through Season 1? each Season is about a different character I don't know where did you get the idea "Walking dead is only Clementine's story", because it was also Lee's and because of ANF Javi's too.
Because Season 1 is essentionally protecting this little girl. It doesn't have to be the main character, you're right about that. But IT DOES focus on her survival, her emotions, making her understand this new world, ect. You knew from the get-go that this was somebody you had to care about. It's clearly a massive plot point at the end of the game. Practically by the end of Season 1, it shows you this. ANF just pushes her to the side, almost fourty minutes in is when she's introduced, she tries to find AJ, which is almost all of her plot point for ANF, it just fails to deliver, they lie to us about being able to control Clementine, you get about 1/16th of the time with her.
i love how people talk alot about how the story should be consistent but want to leave an extremely big plot hole in the story just cause they dont Like ANF... i mean i get that people dont like it but it still doesnt change the fact that Clem has a safe place for both her and AJ but instead opts for a random abandoned house. I dont care if they explain it by killing off all the determinant garcias and richmond but atleast dont leave this huge plot hole there.
I completely disagree. I know people want to wipe away ANF but it is part of the story. To just ignore it is a mistake. I really hope that they at least mention why Clem didn't return to Richmond or what happened there. If they don't it'll be a huge disappointment for me. I didn't hate ANF like many others, but its clearly not on par with S1 or 2. But that doesn't mean you ignore it, IMO.
Because ANF wasn't the story that the majority asked for - And there are more prevalent characters that deserve to return, like Christa or Lilly.
I sure hope Telltale pretends that ANF didn't happen, that game is terrible.
That's the game before they stressed the #MyClementine and who will you become tag, right? Before the "lol you became this" ANF Clem? Staying on topic, Fuck Javier. Directly addressing you, play the first two games to understand why so many people disliked her representation in ANF. It had nothing to so with them casting a white guy to speak Spanish, and more with the main character being reduced to a side character and having literally no differences from any of the varied endings of S2.
Both continuity and good writing are important. By, you know, conceiving ANF, Telltale put themselves in this position where they had to chose between keeping ANF in the picture, or ensuring the story wouldn't suffer by not including ANF, its horrendous characters, nonsensical setting and plot.
If you really believe the ideal setting for The Final Season is Richmond, a community with no solid background/backstory, which didn't fall because the showing up of 5(less?) men in armor was somehow the solution a thousand walker herd which magically just walks out the door simply because of their presence(?????), hinted to be led by Javier Garcia, a guy who's been there for 3(less???) days and brought nothing but war, destruction and death to its people, I don't know what to say to you. None of this is logically acceptable.
So yes, Telltale is sacrificing continuity in order to not include all the bullshit above in their story. I say it feels like the lesser of two evils for sure.
It also feels dishonest of you to be complaining about Javier not being included under the excuse that "continuity is important", yet seem to only care for Richmond, and not, you know, Clementine's journey of actually getting AJ back. That is the actual offender to continuity. Javier's story was given conclusion (again, a logic defying one, but a conclusion nevertheless).
But who knows, perhaps Clem will give us a short explanation. Like when she got back to Richmond with AJ it had fallen to civil war due to some Cuban idiot trying to lead a community he and his crew (of idiotic, one-note characters) had just about destroyed. Telltale hasn't said an explanation won't be given tbf.
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@Sharples65
Is there a point there? or just some "WELL I WASN'T THE ONLY ON WHO DIDN'T LIKE IT SO I AM RIGHT", that's not how being right works.
I don't know what to say about you not being interested in Javi story, I didn't like Season 2 story, playing an 11 year old girl with the strength of a 30 years old man was kinda off putting. But I am mature enough to not try to force Telltale to do things I want.
What you asked wasn't a respectable continuation, was for TTG to forget about ANF because you and others didn't like it.
Yes, I'm sure that constant "If Clementine dies I won't even buy the game" "If Clementine dies I will leave Telltale games forever" "If Clementine dies I will X" doesn't disencourage Telltale at all.
Also, if TWD is all about Clementine for you, how did you even go through Season 1? each Season is about a different character I don't know where did you get the idea "Walking dead is only Clementine's story", because it was also Lee's and because of ANF Javi's too.
@Clemenem
I would be careful when making afirmations like that without statistics, hope you didn't base that on some vocal minority in the forums doing a circle jerk in this kind of threads to confirm that everyone doesn't care about Javi.
Maybe people should try using those perfectly valid reasons instead of the constant "OMG I CAN'T PLAY AS A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL, GAME LITERALLY SUCKS".
You know exactly why mate..ANF was a failure and Telltale wants to move as much away from it as possible
They basically need to, considering how much of a failure it was lol
Maybe you should try realising there have been countless threads & comments explaining why...
And all of them start with "I can't play as Clem" as the first and most "important" argument.
Sure that's a huge complaint - but that's simply because that's the character we've been following since S1 and with them advertising ANF as being a continuation with Clem being a main character but then finding out the final game was nothing like that... what did you expect? There are many other valid complaints.
THIS, THIS MAN HAVE THE POINT. ANF wasn't that bad like the people says. It's better than season 2 actualy. I said.
Just...just no.
Clem is the glue that holds the main series together. Without her ANF would've lost at least 75% of its player base. The entire series was shaped up to have the main focus on Clementine beforehand, and Telltale should've known that a large majority of fans are invested in the series because of Clementine (and maybe Kenny) so its a legitimate complaint
Also I've seen people complain just as much if not more about other flaws in ANF than just that Clem wasn't the main character. You're magnifying the most pettiest complaint thrown at the game just because its easy to attack. Please stop that you guys thx
I guess season 1 sucked since Clem wasn't playable in that, either.
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I know I'm right in this. I haven't played Telltale's other games, only The Walking Dead, but I've fell in love with it since Season 1's release. Season 2 less so, but I still think it was a good story, there were several flaws like the entire cabin crew dying, Nick & Sarah dying pointless deaths, the pushing away of Christa and Omid. But what stood out is that it didn't diverge from Clementine, the original plot-point of Season 1, the reason so many fans stick around to the Walking Dead, and I'm saying this with certainty, is because of her. What did ANF do? It pushed her as a side-character, it lied that you control her (which is strictly limited to flashbacks).
Let's be honest here and ask ourselves, did we spend two seasons to suddenly care for a character nobody asked for? Why is this character being introduced? Why is Clementine being pushed to the sidelines? Why couldn't this have been it's own series?
Agreed, this doesn't make sense, but is that your only point to Season 2's story not being enjoyable? I know there's a few here that didn't like it for multiple reasons.
Does it even matter? They rarely listen to any suggestion we give to them anyhow, and FYI, forcing and suggestion is something different. If Telltale wants to continue dumping their franchise into the ground, then they're welcome to do so, but I personally do not what this. I want something that makes choices matter in some way shape or form through the actual story that we wanted. Making your choices carry over from Season to Season is something Telltale doesn't do a great job of, which is why Season 2 - ANF's transition would have been perfect for this, but they only proved the opposite. Telltale doesn't really innoative, which is what they should've done here.
You may argue that ANF also did this with it's endings, but it's within my opinion that I don't give a jack about any of these characters, I don't want it plaguing the Final Season, it should be kept for an ANF 2 for those fans instead.
I'm saying this right now, I WOULD leave this forum. If Clementine did die in ANF or Season 2, then nearly everything becomes completely pointless, and I shouldn't even need to explain why this is. With the final season, it is different. Clementine has a purpose; To protect AJ at all costs, something that ANF should've worked on extensively. Hell, ANF should've been THE Final Season if it was made well. If Clementine does die in the Final Season given the right ethical reasons and what not, I'd be willing to stay behind on these forums (not that I'm really interested in any other Telltale title because I haven't played it, but I heard TWAU is really great so what's probably my next buy). If ANF's release didn't disencourage Telltale, then they clearly do not care for our opinions. That is pretty disrespectful itself.
Because Season 1 is essentionally protecting this little girl. It doesn't have to be the main character, you're right about that. But IT DOES focus on her survival, her emotions, making her understand this new world, ect. You knew from the get-go that this was somebody you had to care about. It's clearly a massive plot point at the end of the game. Practically by the end of Season 1, it shows you this. ANF just pushes her to the side, almost fourty minutes in is when she's introduced, she tries to find AJ, which is almost all of her plot point for ANF, it just fails to deliver, they lie to us about being able to control Clementine, you get about 1/16th of the time with her.
i love how people talk alot about how the story should be consistent but want to leave an extremely big plot hole in the story just cause they dont Like ANF... i mean i get that people dont like it but it still doesnt change the fact that Clem has a safe place for both her and AJ but instead opts for a random abandoned house. I dont care if they explain it by killing off all the determinant garcias and richmond but atleast dont leave this huge plot hole there.
I don't think people loved ANF as much as they loved S1&S2(considering me), so I don't think they'll make Javi return.
I completely disagree. I know people want to wipe away ANF but it is part of the story. To just ignore it is a mistake. I really hope that they at least mention why Clem didn't return to Richmond or what happened there. If they don't it'll be a huge disappointment for me. I didn't hate ANF like many others, but its clearly not on par with S1 or 2. But that doesn't mean you ignore it, IMO.
That's the game before they stressed the #MyClementine and who will you become tag, right? Before the "lol you became this" ANF Clem? Staying on topic, Fuck Javier. Directly addressing you, play the first two games to understand why so many people disliked her representation in ANF. It had nothing to so with them casting a white guy to speak Spanish, and more with the main character being reduced to a side character and having literally no differences from any of the varied endings of S2.
Both continuity and good writing are important. By, you know, conceiving ANF, Telltale put themselves in this position where they had to chose between keeping ANF in the picture, or ensuring the story wouldn't suffer by not including ANF, its horrendous characters, nonsensical setting and plot.
If you really believe the ideal setting for The Final Season is Richmond, a community with no solid background/backstory, which didn't fall because the showing up of 5(less?) men in armor was somehow the solution a thousand walker herd which magically just walks out the door simply because of their presence(?????), hinted to be led by Javier Garcia, a guy who's been there for 3(less???) days and brought nothing but war, destruction and death to its people, I don't know what to say to you. None of this is logically acceptable.
So yes, Telltale is sacrificing continuity in order to not include all the bullshit above in their story. I say it feels like the lesser of two evils for sure.
It also feels dishonest of you to be complaining about Javier not being included under the excuse that "continuity is important", yet seem to only care for Richmond, and not, you know, Clementine's journey of actually getting AJ back. That is the actual offender to continuity. Javier's story was given conclusion (again, a logic defying one, but a conclusion nevertheless).
But who knows, perhaps Clem will give us a short explanation. Like when she got back to Richmond with AJ it had fallen to civil war due to some Cuban idiot trying to lead a community he and his crew (of idiotic, one-note characters) had just about destroyed. Telltale hasn't said an explanation won't be given tbf.