Very well done opening episode but.........
Very well done opening episode. They did a good job of introducing the characters and allowing us to get to know them. Very similarly to how they did season. 1. However there is one thing that will still probably cause me to consider this to be only slightly better than New Frontier. And that is for as well as they introduced and developed the characters I absolutely in no way buy into this premise. There is absolutely no way these kids should have lasted this long. Especially considering how crazy they all got at the end.
I get that a kid group would allow Clem to be a legitimate leader and that is likely the reason they chose to do this but at the same time it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense in universe for them to of gone this route. I was looking for reasons to legitimize the kid group while the episode was going on and they seemed to try to avoid that question (only giving a very vague explanation that there once were adults here but now there aren't). And then the ending happen where it was hard to buy that these kids could have survived one year in the ZA let alone five or six or so (whenever this is supposed to take place).
So props TellTale for doing a good job with the development of the characters but I honestly think you should have gone a different direction than this group of mid teens.
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Why not? It becomes obvious the raiders left them be because Marlon was giving in to their demands, probably the reason why the "safe zone" kept getting smaller too, not their territory.
They had a greenhouse too at one point. They would've gotten plenty of food just from that. I suspect they might try and get it up and running again in the next episode.
Yeah and Marlon says they used to get a lot of vegetables from it before it become overgrown and unmanageable.
MINOR FUTURE SPOILER:
There is an achievement related to the greenhouse in one of the future episodes so I think you're right.
I could buy those explanations if this was say during the time season 1 took place. But not this far into the apocalypse. And then the ending just took pretty much all believability there may have been completely away. Mid teens that are that unstable would never last this long when they were trying to govern themselves.
This is supposed to take place within the comic universe and the comic tries to depict a post apocalyptic world as realistically as possible. And having a 'goonies' group survive this long is not realistic at all.
honestly during the whole thing I thought the greenhouse was actually gonna turn out to be something really sketchy because the idea that they abandoned it bc it was "too overgrown" seemed ridiculous when they were on the verge of starving and it was getting more difficult to hunt, so I'm glad we're gonna restore it.
It would have been a lot better if they had three or four adults running things while the story was still wrapped around the teenagers (as they all are definitely old enough to participate in a community). I however understand why they didn't go that route because they wanted Clem to be the leader of the entire group.
First off, David was unstable. He and his group lasted for years. Carver was unstable as well. Second, as I recall, Marlon was the only member of the group who was truly unstable, which tends to happen when trying to keep a large group together.
One big difference. Those people were all adults. There is still a big difference between unstable adults and unstable 16 year olds (who would have only been like 11 when this whole thing went down)
It doesn't matter how old they are. Clementine was a kid when the ZA started and she survived for years, a lot of that time she spent on her own. If she can make due on her own why can't the other kids do the same working together?
Clementine surviving strictly on her own has been one of the problems as this series has gone along and why they probably should have had more characters play active roles through multiple games. This now is only compounding that problem.
And sorry but yes age does matter. Which is why in the comic characters like these are playing background type roles within the communities that have survived.
Well I'm sorry. But if you don't like Clementine, then maybe this series just isn't for you.
except honestly she has not been alone....from season 1 to ANF she was always with some group...she was on her own for a year at the start of ANF....but she had Prescott to fall back to for trading and such...after ANF in one of her conversations she talks about staying at the ranch where AJ was until it fell...So I have no issue with Clem survivng.
I like Clem and anything to do with the Walking Dead is for me. And given that I am a big fan of the entire franchise I can point out some of its weaknesses as much as I want. And the direction they chose to go with this series is a weakness.
Well, I guess that's YOUR problem.
It has more to do with the fact that they chose to go the direction of making almost everyone but Clem virtually a one and done type of character. And now it is culminating in the final season where they want Clem to be a leader but to do that they need everyone else to be her age.
Let's just put it this way. When Last of Us 2 comes out do you think the place is going to be run by people Ellie's age? I highly highly doubt it. People of that age may end of being the main characters of the game but they won't be running communities.
Well that is not a problem as far as I see it...but as long as you enjoy what you get. I love it...sure there are always things they could have done...but sometimes you just go with it. I love Clem as she is.
Uh...we're not talking about TLOU. We're talking about TWD. If you like TLOU there's a specific thread for that.
And I am probably more picky than most about issues like this as I read everything that has to do with this universe. I know a lot of people on here don't read the comics and thus probably overall just want a fun game to play and aren't as concerned with how it fits into the overall Walking Dead narrative.
Last of Us is a realistic take on an apocalyptic world with zombie like creatures. TWD is supposed to be a realistic take on an apocalyptic world as well with official zombies. So the two universes definitely should be compared.
I think what we actually witnessed was the kids become unstable. They managed to keep it together up until that point. The strain of having to take care of themselves was too much and they finally snapped. But I do agree that its weird they were able to survive, adults had to be present for some of that. How else did they learn to fish and hunt and all that? The oldest kids are Clem's age so that means they started out too young to teach themselves.
Well, I'm sorry but I just don't like TLOU.
It's story is far more compelling than this telltale series is in my opinion.
Don't care.
I think it would have been better if these kids all arrived at this location with various other groups and during that time a lot of the adults got killed off. But instead we have kids that were supposedly here from the beginning and the adults were the teachers at the school as far as I know.
I agree. It'd make a bit more sense.
Or maybe someone smarter and more stable ran the place alongside Marlon at one point. Someone from the outside who had been "Around the Block a few times" so to speak. Sort of like Clementine now.
Cause they aren't the mascot?
Yeah, that helped wear me down, too.
The Last of Us has much faster and more varied zombies than TWD does. Also, it's simultaneously more civilized and yet grittier.
There's enough difference there to not start a needless fight.
Both games have their strengths and weaknesses. Both Clem and Ellie are some of the best characters in gaming. Both Clem and Ellie are ma babies, let's not do this.
I know I should have loved TLOU, It should be the perfect game for me, but I honestly couldnt bring myself to care about anyone or anything that was happening. Story and events were too predictable, characters were just flat out made to be unlikable.
I guess looking at it objectively, it's a perfectly ok game, but for me it's one of the most forgettable games I've ever played
When I first heard of the youth cast I had a similar outlook as you but as I played the episode, Telltale honestly has conveyed this premise in a pretty realistic and believable way when you think about it.
Regardless of how old or young you are it is only a natural human trait to have the desire to learn and survive. Just because a kid might not have obtained a full education at the hands of adults doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of continuing their education and figuring things out for themselves. Most kids aren’t stupid, when put under harsh circumstances they are perfectly capable of learning how to adapt. When I was around four or five years old I stuck my hand in a pot full of boiling water, from that moment forward I had the common sense not to touch boiling water because it was painful and dangerous. It was pretty self-explanatory, nobody had to explain it to me.
This isn’t simply a regular school, it is a school for troubled youth. Most kids who are sent to these already come from a pretty rough backgrounds to start with and the main goal of these types of schools is to teach discipline, responsibility, and productivity. Hmmm skills that would come in handy should the world just so happens to go to shit.
It’s not like these kids haven’t endured major losses. There are multiple refences about how they have lost people. This place was once a fully functional school full of kids. Now it has been reduced to a makeshift community of ten.
The school has a huge library filled with a vast amount of documented knowledge that has been gathered over the course of countless generations. Books about wilderness survival, schematics and techniques for making traps, hunting techniques and strategies, schematics for tools, fishing guides, food recipes and food preservation methods, construction guides, etc.
The school is a pretty secure building and it is in the middle of nowhere surrounded by a dense forest filled with wildlife, rivers, and streams. Marlon even took down the signs leading to the boarding school to make the place even harder to find thus protecting it from most human conflict.
Marlon had a deal going on with the raiders that has for the most part caused the raiders to leave them alone so long as Marlon gave in to their demands.
Honestly these kids are probably better survivors than most considering that at this point these kids have spent half or over half of their lives in the apocalypse. So survival instincts are even more ingrained in them than adults.