aj wasn't in danger and jane probably didn't know kenny was gonna go full psycho and try to murder her for literally no reason at all. like he didn't even see the corpse of aj or even try to ask what happened. he went straight to murder. like a psycho. because he was in fact a psycho.
If Jane died and no one heard AJ's cries that alerted them to his position, what do you think would've happened to him? he would've frozen or starved to death or been eaten by passing zombies, even Clem pointed out she put AJ in danger. And don't say Jane didn't know how Kenny would've reacted, she knew how much he cared for the baby and used it to set him off. Kenny may have overreacted in trying to kill her but that bitch wasn't saying much, instead of saying what happened, she pulls out a knife and continues to rile him up, don't forget that she wanted to kill him too, she could've ended it at anytime by saying the baby's ok but didn't because she wanted him dead and put a baby's life at risk to achieve this. If Kenny is a psycho then Jane is a lot worse.
aj wasn't in danger and jane probably didn't know kenny was gonna go full psycho and try to murder her for literally no reason at all. like … morehe didn't even see the corpse of aj or even try to ask what happened. he went straight to murder. like a psycho. because he was in fact a psycho.
So if Clem was your daughter or someone you cared about and was put in danger by Ben you wouldn't be mad at him at all??
Ben didn’t put her in danger at that moment, Lee was the one who did by taking her to look for her parents. And he ran protecting his own life. He has 0 obligation to defend her life with his. would I be upset? yeah. Would I try to kill him over it? no.
Also, I do not believe she was disturbed. I don’t see it.
So Howe's was better because Clem nearly died in a bandit raid at Wellington but you're making it seem like she had it easy and safe being alone with no food at Howe's.
Did she have absolutely NO food left when she was at Howes?
I can't get mad at him for leaving her. It's his life. If he wants to protect it, who is anyone to say he's wrong for doing that?
If… more Kenny had done that? would you have been so understanding?
She wasn't disturbed.
Putting babies in danger in a plan to kill someone isn't a sign of a normal sane person.
And you think you can trust Kenny?
Yes I can. Don't take my word for it, Season 3 already shows who you Clem was better off with.
Jane was right about Howe's as well. The walkers were clear, and the food was still there
But Howe's was still vulnerable and the food was stolen within weeks.
Sarah and her sister were fucking WEAK. Only the STRONG can survive the longest. And yeah, I think she was the right person to look after Clementine and AJ.
Just like 8-year-old Clementine was once weak, just like baby AJ is weak, by yours and Jane's logic, they don't deserve to be helped right? Sh… [view original content]
Why does it have to be a competition? Chances are you won't get the same amount of likes and the reason for that is because your one sided view of Jane is completely wrong.
Where are you getting the idea that I think this is a competition? I just said I wasn't going to reply because you wrote so much, but seeing as how it got 7 likes, I had to respond because you probably might've said something worthy of them. And I wasn't expecting to get as many likes as you on this, as everyone in here has Kenny's......you know, lodged down their throats.
You do know what scene i'm referring to don't you? Start of episode 4 season 1, Ben and Clementine are cornered in the street by walkers, Ben runs off and just leaves her.
Yeah, I know.
Yes he was scared but he still left her and could have grabbed her hand or something. Lee was occupied saving Kenny. Clem should have stayed close to Lee but she didn't
So it's Ben's fault for not doing Lee's job? Ben isn't the one that told her he'd protect her whenever possible. Lee might've had enough on his plate at that moment, but you can't blame Ben for not taking Clementine with him when they were cornered.
Then you need to really pay attention to her character more kiddo, like every detail about her because it doesn't take a genius to see how fucked up she was.
I know what she did. I know why she did those things, and yet I don't see fault in any of it, nor am I upset with her. Kenny pushed every single one of her buttons. He caused all of that.
Why does it have to be a competition? Chances are you won't get the same amount of likes and the reason for that is because your one sided v… moreiew of Jane is completely wrong.
Where are you getting the idea that I think this is a competition? I just said I wasn't going to reply because you wrote so much, but seeing as how it got 7 likes, I had to respond because you probably might've said something worthy of them. And I wasn't expecting to get as many likes as you on this, as everyone in here has Kenny's......you know, lodged down their throats.
Before we further this pointless tit for tat convo about how I don't see anything wrong with Jane yet see everything wrong with Kenny, I just wanna say that i'm never going to see things your way. I respect you and your beliefs and all that but it's just not happening, so let's just end this here shall we?
if jane died? you mean if kenny killed her. then no. i still wouldn't blame jane if something happened to aj. it'd still be because of crazy kenny. like the whole season was building up how crazy and unpredictable kenny is. idk how ppl are defending him. so weird.
aj wasn't in danger and jane probably didn't know kenny was gonna go full psycho and try to murder her for literally no reason at all. like … morehe didn't even see the corpse of aj or even try to ask what happened. he went straight to murder. like a psycho. because he was in fact a psycho.
If Jane died and no one heard AJ's cries that alerted them to his position, what do you think would've happened to him? he would've frozen or starved to death or been eaten by passing zombies, even Clem pointed out she put AJ in danger. And don't say Jane didn't know how Kenny would've reacted, she knew how much he cared for the baby and used it to set him off. Kenny may have overreacted in trying to kill her but that bitch wasn't saying much, instead of saying what happened, she pulls out a knife and continues to rile him up, don't forget that she wanted to kill him too, she could've ended it at anytime by saying the baby's ok but didn't because she wan… [view original content]
He was mad at Jane because Jane was the one who stole from or attacked Arvo. It all started with her fucking Luke while the group needed them to do their job so the baby could be born safely.
Of course, let's omit that Jane actually did her job and is the reason the baby had a place to be born safely in the first place.
In fact, it's probably worth noting that Luke probably helped her getting the deck open. Jane only is able to get the deck opened after Luke goes up there (remember, if you go with Mike and Bonnie first, she still hasn't been able to open the lock when you get there).
I'm not going to deny that it was irresponsible of Luke to not do his job. But I fail to see what different would it have made had Luke had been watching out for walkers. The herd wasn't going away, there was absolutely no stopping it, active lookout or not. So what really was important in this situation? Spotting it earlier? What if they had spotted it before Mike and Bonnie came back? Hell, that might've led the group to take a gamble and actually flee to the unsafe museum. What really mattered in this situation? Getting the only reliable place nearby ready for Rebecca's labor. Which Jane (possibly with the help of Luke) did.
Then Jane kept having that attitude once she returned, and talked shit to Kenny. Tried getting Clem to turn against him. It was clear, even though she did most of it behind his back.
You mean when (after she saves his life) Jane goes to Clem and tries to tell her that they need to help Kenny by having Clem be the one that approaching him and attempt to have him calm down and bounce back? That sounds like the contrary to trying to turn Clem against him. That sounds like trying to fix him.
Of course he was focused on beating the shit out of Jane.
Murdering someone over an accident is not a natural, acceptable, or justifiable response and not what balanced people do, believe it or not!!!
He was mad at Jane because Jane was the one who stole from or attacked Arvo. It all started with her fucking Luke while the group needed the… morem to do their job so the baby could be born safely. Instead, Luke and Jane decided to fuck while putting lives in danger besides their own. I don't get why so many people overlook how fucked up that was for those two to choose to fuck around right then and there. Sure, Luke was likable, but he was immature and did some stupid shit at the wrong time. He was like a much older Ben, at times. Then Jane kept having that attitude once she returned, and talked shit to Kenny. Tried getting Clem to turn against him. It was clear, even though she did most of it behind his back. Besides, Jane ran off and then all of that crap happened. Kenny's one for loyalty; in his eyes she abandoned the group, returned after shit got real, and wanted to leave when it started getting real again. The last straw was what she did to … [view original content]
THIS. It's hilarious. People act like Jane should've expected to die, like she's at fault for Kenny's imbalanced reaction.
Like, perhaps Kenny murdering the last person who's seen AJ (for no justifiable reason) has something to do with them losing AJ's location...? Just food for thought.
if jane died? you mean if kenny killed her. then no. i still wouldn't blame jane if something happened to aj. it'd still be because of crazy… more kenny. like the whole season was building up how crazy and unpredictable kenny is. idk how ppl are defending him. so weird.
She's at fault because it's the exact reaction she wanted out of him and counted on it. If she's stupid enough to provoke somebody that she knows will try to kill her and then she loses the fight to them, it's her own doing.
THIS. It's hilarious. People act like Jane should've expected to die, like she's at fault for Kenny's imbalanced reaction.
Like, perhaps … moreKenny murdering the last person who's seen AJ (for no justifiable reason) has something to do with them losing AJ's location...? Just food for thought.
So Howe's was better because Clem nearly died in a bandit raid at Wellington but you're making it seem like she had it easy and safe being alone with no food at Howe's.
Did she have absolutely NO food left when she was at Howes?
if jane died? you mean if kenny killed her. then no. i still wouldn't blame jane if something happened to aj. it'd still be because of crazy kenny. like the whole season was building up how crazy and unpredictable kenny is.
So you wouldn't blame Jane if anything happened to AJ? even though she was the one that left him in a car in order to provoke a man into attacking her? she was close to death, she could've said something, she had plenty of time to say that AJ is OK but chose not to because that would mean that Kenny would calm down and she didn't want that, she wanted him dead and she tried to kill him too, in the end she chose to stay quiet and would rather die and doom AJ than to say something that would've prevented hers, Kenny & AJ's death. And you say Kenny is crazy and unpredictable but a woman who risks a baby's life and manipulates a little girl into killing a man just because she wants the little girl as a replacement for her dead sister(whom she abandoned) is sane & normal?
idk how ppl are defending him. so weird.
How people think what Jane did was right or how she never put AJ in danger I'll never know why. People defend Kenny because they see that Jane is the one at fault, she started a scenario and she wanted him to react in order to kill him, people that defend Jane just hate Kenny, if Kenny did what Jane did, would you say the same thing about him as you do with Jane? most likely not. Yeah Kenny may have been crazy but those that defend Jane act like she was sane when clearly, she was crazier.
if jane died? you mean if kenny killed her. then no. i still wouldn't blame jane if something happened to aj. it'd still be because of crazy… more kenny. like the whole season was building up how crazy and unpredictable kenny is. idk how ppl are defending him. so weird.
THIS. It's hilarious. People act like Jane should've expected to die, like she's at fault for Kenny's imbalanced reaction.
Like, perhaps Kenny murdering the last person who's seen AJ (for no justifiable reason) has something to do with them losing AJ's location...? Just food for thought.
Jane knew what she was doing and knew how Kenny would react, she wanted his imbalanced reaction when she staged the whole thing, yeah I say she was at fault, she put AJ in danger in order to provoke him, she'd been pushing him the whole episode even bringing up his family, when that didn't work, she risked a baby's life. Don't forget, she had plenty of time to say that AJ is ok even at the point of death but chose to stay quiet, she'd rather die and kill a baby in the process instead of ending the fight with no casualties.
THIS. It's hilarious. People act like Jane should've expected to die, like she's at fault for Kenny's imbalanced reaction.
Like, perhaps … moreKenny murdering the last person who's seen AJ (for no justifiable reason) has something to do with them losing AJ's location...? Just food for thought.
Oh. Well, that's bullshit. How the hell did they take all that food? Jane and Clementine should've killed them. They're like mice, and needed to be dealt with like vermin.
Jane knew how he would react indeed. That, however, makes no difference. No one forced Kenny to start a life or death battle with Jane. He had a choice: to talk or to act irrationally and attempt to kill her no questions asked. He acted within his own free reign, and he chose the latter option. No one forced him to do so. That makes him directly responsible for starting a battle to the death with the only person who knew AJ's whereabouts. Jane predicting his irrational reaction doesn't erase that he still chose to do what he did. Kenny is a human, he is capable of reasoning, he has free will, and he chose to kill, no one forced him.
It's ridiculous to think that putting a baby in a car during a raging blizzard equates to "putting him in life danger". Like just try to think that through? You're in the middle of a raging blizzard, and find an open car. Do you get the baby in or do you keep walking around with him out in the cold?
Saying that Jane put the baby in danger is just straightforward reality bending. She did what anyone with common sense would: get it into a shelter as soon as possible. Trying to hide the baby to prove a point or not, that's just the sensible thing to do. Had she not, he probably would've died in those conditions (not that the game ever cared about AJ's survival being realistic). She saved him.
I find it naive to think that Kenny would've listened to reason at all in the middle of the fight. In fact, I'd wager the truth would only further increase his rage at Jane. Still, blaming Jane for not being considerate of Kenny's murderous rampage, rather than blaming Kenny for the murderous rampage is completely beyond me. "Jane should've just accepted that she'd get murdered in case an accident like this happened and that's it!"
THIS. It's hilarious. People act like Jane should've expected to die, like she's at fault for Kenny's imbalanced reaction.
Like, perhaps … moreKenny murdering the last person who's seen AJ (for no justifiable reason) has something to do with them losing AJ's location...? Just food for thought.
Jane knew what she was doing and knew how Kenny would react, she wanted his imbalanced reaction when she staged the whole thing, yeah I say she was at fault, she put AJ in danger in order to provoke him, she'd been pushing him the whole episode even bringing up his family, when that didn't work, she risked a baby's life. Don't forget, she had plenty of time to say that AJ is ok even at the point of death but chose to stay quiet, she'd rather die and kill a baby in the process instead of ending the fight with no casualties.
Jane knew how he would react indeed. That, however, makes no difference. No one forced Kenny to start a life or death battle with Jane. He had a choice: to talk or to act irrationally and attempt to kill her no questions asked. He acted within his own free reign, and he chose the latter option. No one forced him to do so. That makes him directly responsible for starting a battle to the death with the only person who knew AJ's whereabouts. Jane predicting his irrational reaction doesn't erase that he still chose to do what he did. Kenny is a human, he is capable of reasoning, he has free will, and he chose to kill, no one forced him.
All you said about Kenny, you can say the same about Jane, she's not as innocent as you seem to think she is. Kenny went through so much shit, from being beaten half to death from losing Sarita, the baby brought him joy and gave him a reason to carry on going. Jane knew how much he cared about the baby and used it to manipulate and provoke him in a time where they all should be working together which was escaping from the dead in the blizzard. Of course, after all the shit he goes through, he'd react badly to the person who knew AJ whereabouts who wasn't talking and made him think he was dead and Jane knew this, she'd been trying to provoke him all episode, she wanted a battle to the death whereas Kenny was pushed to it. I'm not excusing Kenny's behavior but Jane herself had her own free reign, she had a choice and she chose to lie & manipulate. Don't forget she wanted Kenny dead too and was also trying to kill him, no one forced her to pull an unnecessary stunt.
It's ridiculous to think that putting a baby in a car during a raging blizzard equates to "putting him in life danger". Like just try to think that through? You're in the middle of a raging blizzard, and find an open car. Do you get the baby in or do you keep walking around with him out in the cold?
Saying that Jane put the baby in danger is just straightforward reality bending. She did what anyone with common sense would: get it into a shelter as soon as possible. Trying to hide the baby to prove a point or not, that's just the sensible thing to do. Had she not, he probably would've died in those conditions (not that the game ever cared about AJ's survival being realistic). She saved him.
If you played the game, you know she planned the whole thing. She left him in a car and was willing to die keeping his whereabouts a secret and you think she was thinking of the baby's safety? You may believe that she was saving AJ but she used him and put him at risk in order to bait Kenny. People with common sense would've revealed that the baby is OK the second they walk through the door, not Jane though, she knew this would get a rise out of Kenny and continue to provoke, she even pulled out her knife.
I find it naive to think that Kenny would've listened to reason at all in the middle of the fight. In fact, I'd wager the truth would only further increase his rage at Jane.
Like I said before, you can say the same about Jane, not just the fight but the whole episode. She wouldn't listen to reason and tried to poison you against Kenny, even tried to convince you, a little girl, to drive away and leave Kenny for dead. She acted like she knew Kenny better than Clem, Jane wanted a fight to the death.
Still, blaming Jane for not being considerate of Kenny's murderous rampage, rather than blaming Kenny for the murderous rampage is completely beyond me. "Jane should've just accepted that she'd get murdered in case an accident like this happened and that's it!"
Jane put herself in that position where she dies, no one to blame but herself. Tell me, why'd she keep quiet? she had plenty of opportunity to reveal AJ whereabouts but didn't, she could've ended the fight but kept on going, she would rather die and potentially kill AJ too rather than reveal his whereabouts, you know why she didn't? she wanted Kenny dead, she accepted that either she dies or he dies, she wanted blood and didn't want either of two to come out alive. Like I said before, I'm not excusing Kenny's reaction but I can see that Jane is a disturbed troublemaking manipulator and is even crazier and unhinged than she paints Kenny out to be.
Jane knew how he would react indeed. That, however, makes no difference. No one forced Kenny to start a life or death battle with Jane. He h… moread a choice: to talk or to act irrationally and attempt to kill her no questions asked. He acted within his own free reign, and he chose the latter option. No one forced him to do so. That makes him directly responsible for starting a battle to the death with the only person who knew AJ's whereabouts. Jane predicting his irrational reaction doesn't erase that he still chose to do what he did. Kenny is a human, he is capable of reasoning, he has free will, and he chose to kill, no one forced him.
It's ridiculous to think that putting a baby in a car during a raging blizzard equates to "putting him in life danger". Like just try to think that through? You're in the middle of a raging blizzard, and find an open car. Do you get the baby in or do you keep walking around with him out in the cold?
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if jane died? you mean if kenny killed her. then no. i still wouldn't blame jane if something happened to aj. it'd still be because of crazy… more kenny. like the whole season was building up how crazy and unpredictable kenny is.
So you wouldn't blame Jane if anything happened to AJ? even though she was the one that left him in a car in order to provoke a man into attacking her? she was close to death, she could've said something, she had plenty of time to say that AJ is OK but chose not to because that would mean that Kenny would calm down and she didn't want that, she wanted him dead and she tried to kill him too, in the end she chose to stay quiet and would rather die and doom AJ than to say something that would've prevented hers, Kenny & AJ's death. And you say Kenny is crazy and unpredictable but a woman who risks a baby's life and manipulates a little girl into killing a man just because she wants the little girl as a replacement … [view original content]
jane wasnt trying to manipulate clem, she was only showing clem how dangerous kenny really was, because until then clem would keep defending kenny.
That is manipulating her, the whole episode she was making Kenny out to be this dangerous lunatic, comparing him to Carver even when she didn't know him, Clem tried telling her otherwise and she brushes it off, she acted like she knew Kenny more than Clem did even though Clem knew him longer. She tried to get Clem to drive off and leave Kenny stranded and even tricked Clem into shooting Kenny(determinant) when she failed to kill him even though she could've saved herself at any time, she didn't care that she put Clem in a position to shoot her friend. Jane was disturbed, unstable and dangerous, she would've done the same to Lee if it meant having Clem for herself, she was in no position to question anyone's sanity when she herself is fucked in the head.
I want you to understand that you can love someone and care for them a million times and not be willing to die for them at the same time.
That’s called selfishness. Putting your own life over someone else’s for the sake of your own well being. It is overly selfish to do this to people you deeply care about. Cowardly is another adjective you might use to describe someone who has the traits you’ve written.
but she is always right
Lmao. This is the kinda shit us “Kenny fanatics” get blamed for saying when in reality most of us understand that Kenny has made mistakes.
If Jane really cared/loved you, she would give her life to save you
I want you to understand that you can love someone and care for … morethem a million times and not be willing to die for them at the same time.
That is why i will always value Lee and Kenny a million times more than Jane
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Ps. Jane is not always right
but she is always right
I want you to understand that you can love someone and care for them a million times and not be willing to die for them at the same time.
… more
That’s called selfishness. Putting your own life over someone else’s for the sake of your own well being. It is overly selfish to do this to people you deeply care about. Cowardly is another adjective you might use to describe someone who has the traits you’ve written.
but she is always right
Lmao. This is the kinda shit us “Kenny fanatics” get blamed for saying when in reality most of us understand that Kenny has made mistakes.
Nobody is perfect. Personally I believe Kenny’s positive actions heavily outweigh the mistakes he’s made. My main point was that you really can’t believe Jane is always right, that’s completely idiotic. If you prefer her “pragmatic” (if you can even call it that) outlook then whatever. But according to your logic of Jane always being right, apparently she was in the right to seduce Luke into having sex when he was supposed to be keeping watch? Come on... even you have to admit that your “She is always right” comment is complete bullshit.
This here might sound very biased, but it really isn't. I just have to describe it directly from Kenny's perspective so that we can actually understand as good as possible why he was the way he was to Jane.
I think he generally was not mad at her. But I think he was very distrustful.
Reasons I could think of:
-She had sex with Luke when they were supposed to watch out for walkers so that Rebecca could give birth.
-She abandoned the group once.
-Her stealing from Arvo resulted into an ambush where they could have died.
-She was constantly talking bad about him behind his back and it turned out he noticed that.
-She offers Clem alcohol and Kenny doesn't like that because of the fact that Clem is still little.
-She saw AJ as a burden whereas Kenny saw AJ as a reason to keep going. He always had a soft spot for kids.
-Maybe his gut feelings told him that Jane can't be trusted. (To be fair Kennys gut feelings were not always wrong throughout S1 and S2)
Ultimately, yes. He was mad at her when Jane hid the baby. To me, it was pretty obvious that Kenny has become the new father role of AJ. He truly cared about him. When Jane appeared without the baby and he asked her where the baby was without getting any response from Jane he couldn't handle it. He presumed Jane was responsible for AJ's death. The baby he deeply cared about. Like most fathers probably would do, out of vengance he started to attack her.
These are possible reasons from his perspective. If they are justifiable is up to you to decide.
Jane planned for exactly that to happen, she even says so herself towards the end of the fight. And like Kenny said, she could've stopped the fight at literally any point by revealing the truth about AJ. If she'd done that at the point where she stabbed him in the gut with her knife and clearly had the upper hand, she could've convinced Clem that Kenny was unstable and dangerous without either of them having to die. Instead she charges at a wounded Kenny trying to finish him off and loses her weapon.
aj wasn't in danger and jane probably didn't know kenny was gonna go full psycho and try to murder her for literally no reason at all. like … morehe didn't even see the corpse of aj or even try to ask what happened. he went straight to murder. like a psycho. because he was in fact a psycho.
I would just like to point out that everyone who has ever agrued with me on this got......are no longer able to participate in thread discussions anymore? Call me....reaper
I would just like to point out that everyone who has ever agrued with me on this got......are no longer able to participate in thread discussions anymore? Call me....reaper
because kenny was in fact a dangerous lunatic. that was heavily implied like basically the whole season. clem was being naive and jane wanted to show her how bad kenny was.
jane wasnt trying to manipulate clem, she was only showing clem how dangerous kenny really was, because until then clem would keep defending… more kenny.
That is manipulating her, the whole episode she was making Kenny out to be this dangerous lunatic, comparing him to Carver even when she didn't know him, Clem tried telling her otherwise and she brushes it off, she acted like she knew Kenny more than Clem did even though Clem knew him longer. She tried to get Clem to drive off and leave Kenny stranded and even tricked Clem into shooting Kenny(determinant) when she failed to kill him even though she could've saved herself at any time, she didn't care that she put Clem in a position to shoot her friend. Jane was disturbed, unstable and dangerous, she would've done the same to Lee if it meant having Clem for herself, she was in no position to question anyone's sanity when she herself is fucked in the head.
because kenny was in fact a dangerous lunatic. that was heavily implied like basically the whole season. clem was being naive and jane wanted to show her how bad kenny was.
If Kenny spoke, Kenny haters lose their shit over him lol
Because everything came out of his mouth was bullshit.
If Kenny moved, Kenny haters lose their shit over him lol
With every movement he made, people got seriously hurt
Because everything came out of his mouth was bullshit
With every movement he made, people got seriously hurt
That’s your opinion which i think is wrong on so many levels.
Believe what shit you want but an opinion can never be an actual fact. But in MY opinion you’re wrong about it being a fact when in FACT everything that comes out of the so called haters mouths is bullshit LOL ?
Believe what shit you want but an opinion can never be an actual fact. But in MY opinion you’re wrong about it being a fact when in FACT everything that comes out of the so called haters mouths is bullshit LOL ?
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If Jane died and no one heard AJ's cries that alerted them to his position, what do you think would've happened to him? he would've frozen or starved to death or been eaten by passing zombies, even Clem pointed out she put AJ in danger. And don't say Jane didn't know how Kenny would've reacted, she knew how much he cared for the baby and used it to set him off. Kenny may have overreacted in trying to kill her but that bitch wasn't saying much, instead of saying what happened, she pulls out a knife and continues to rile him up, don't forget that she wanted to kill him too, she could've ended it at anytime by saying the baby's ok but didn't because she wanted him dead and put a baby's life at risk to achieve this. If Kenny is a psycho then Jane is a lot worse.
Ben didn’t put her in danger at that moment, Lee was the one who did by taking her to look for her parents. And he ran protecting his own life. He has 0 obligation to defend her life with his. would I be upset? yeah. Would I try to kill him over it? no.
Also, I do not believe she was disturbed. I don’t see it.
Did she have absolutely NO food left when she was at Howes?
finally, was waiting for sonebody to discuss this, no idea, kenny just went nutty and DUNT U TALK BOUT MA FAMLY
Where are you getting the idea that I think this is a competition? I just said I wasn't going to reply because you wrote so much, but seeing as how it got 7 likes, I had to respond because you probably might've said something worthy of them. And I wasn't expecting to get as many likes as you on this, as everyone in here has Kenny's......you know, lodged down their throats.
Yeah, I know.
So it's Ben's fault for not doing Lee's job? Ben isn't the one that told her he'd protect her whenever possible. Lee might've had enough on his plate at that moment, but you can't blame Ben for not taking Clementine with him when they were cornered.
I know what she did. I know why she did those things, and yet I don't see fault in any of it, nor am I upset with her. Kenny pushed every single one of her buttons. He caused all of that.
Well, guys, i think we all know the alone ending is the best xd
The fact that people here and even Telltale themselves to an extent treat disagreements between characters as such.
Before we further this pointless tit for tat convo about how I don't see anything wrong with Jane yet see everything wrong with Kenny, I just wanna say that i'm never going to see things your way. I respect you and your beliefs and all that but it's just not happening, so let's just end this here shall we?
what part of our convo wasn't civil? I didn't disrespect you once
if jane died? you mean if kenny killed her. then no. i still wouldn't blame jane if something happened to aj. it'd still be because of crazy kenny. like the whole season was building up how crazy and unpredictable kenny is. idk how ppl are defending him. so weird.
Of course, let's omit that Jane actually did her job and is the reason the baby had a place to be born safely in the first place.
In fact, it's probably worth noting that Luke probably helped her getting the deck open. Jane only is able to get the deck opened after Luke goes up there (remember, if you go with Mike and Bonnie first, she still hasn't been able to open the lock when you get there).
I'm not going to deny that it was irresponsible of Luke to not do his job. But I fail to see what different would it have made had Luke had been watching out for walkers. The herd wasn't going away, there was absolutely no stopping it, active lookout or not. So what really was important in this situation? Spotting it earlier? What if they had spotted it before Mike and Bonnie came back? Hell, that might've led the group to take a gamble and actually flee to the unsafe museum. What really mattered in this situation? Getting the only reliable place nearby ready for Rebecca's labor. Which Jane (possibly with the help of Luke) did.
You mean when (after she saves his life) Jane goes to Clem and tries to tell her that they need to help Kenny by having Clem be the one that approaching him and attempt to have him calm down and bounce back? That sounds like the contrary to trying to turn Clem against him. That sounds like trying to fix him.
Murdering someone over an accident is not a natural, acceptable, or justifiable response and not what balanced people do, believe it or not!!!
THIS. It's hilarious. People act like Jane should've expected to die, like she's at fault for Kenny's imbalanced reaction.
Like, perhaps Kenny murdering the last person who's seen AJ (for no justifiable reason) has something to do with them losing AJ's location...? Just food for thought.
She's at fault because it's the exact reaction she wanted out of him and counted on it. If she's stupid enough to provoke somebody that she knows will try to kill her and then she loses the fight to them, it's her own doing.
All the food was stolen within a week by the family of 3.
So you wouldn't blame Jane if anything happened to AJ? even though she was the one that left him in a car in order to provoke a man into attacking her? she was close to death, she could've said something, she had plenty of time to say that AJ is OK but chose not to because that would mean that Kenny would calm down and she didn't want that, she wanted him dead and she tried to kill him too, in the end she chose to stay quiet and would rather die and doom AJ than to say something that would've prevented hers, Kenny & AJ's death. And you say Kenny is crazy and unpredictable but a woman who risks a baby's life and manipulates a little girl into killing a man just because she wants the little girl as a replacement for her dead sister(whom she abandoned) is sane & normal?
How people think what Jane did was right or how she never put AJ in danger I'll never know why. People defend Kenny because they see that Jane is the one at fault, she started a scenario and she wanted him to react in order to kill him, people that defend Jane just hate Kenny, if Kenny did what Jane did, would you say the same thing about him as you do with Jane? most likely not. Yeah Kenny may have been crazy but those that defend Jane act like she was sane when clearly, she was crazier.
Jane knew what she was doing and knew how Kenny would react, she wanted his imbalanced reaction when she staged the whole thing, yeah I say she was at fault, she put AJ in danger in order to provoke him, she'd been pushing him the whole episode even bringing up his family, when that didn't work, she risked a baby's life. Don't forget, she had plenty of time to say that AJ is ok even at the point of death but chose to stay quiet, she'd rather die and kill a baby in the process instead of ending the fight with no casualties.
Oh. Well, that's bullshit. How the hell did they take all that food? Jane and Clementine should've killed them. They're like mice, and needed to be dealt with like vermin.
Jane knew how he would react indeed. That, however, makes no difference. No one forced Kenny to start a life or death battle with Jane. He had a choice: to talk or to act irrationally and attempt to kill her no questions asked. He acted within his own free reign, and he chose the latter option. No one forced him to do so. That makes him directly responsible for starting a battle to the death with the only person who knew AJ's whereabouts. Jane predicting his irrational reaction doesn't erase that he still chose to do what he did. Kenny is a human, he is capable of reasoning, he has free will, and he chose to kill, no one forced him.
It's ridiculous to think that putting a baby in a car during a raging blizzard equates to "putting him in life danger". Like just try to think that through? You're in the middle of a raging blizzard, and find an open car. Do you get the baby in or do you keep walking around with him out in the cold?
Saying that Jane put the baby in danger is just straightforward reality bending. She did what anyone with common sense would: get it into a shelter as soon as possible. Trying to hide the baby to prove a point or not, that's just the sensible thing to do. Had she not, he probably would've died in those conditions (not that the game ever cared about AJ's survival being realistic). She saved him.
I find it naive to think that Kenny would've listened to reason at all in the middle of the fight. In fact, I'd wager the truth would only further increase his rage at Jane. Still, blaming Jane for not being considerate of Kenny's murderous rampage, rather than blaming Kenny for the murderous rampage is completely beyond me. "Jane should've just accepted that she'd get murdered in case an accident like this happened and that's it!"
All you said about Kenny, you can say the same about Jane, she's not as innocent as you seem to think she is. Kenny went through so much shit, from being beaten half to death from losing Sarita, the baby brought him joy and gave him a reason to carry on going. Jane knew how much he cared about the baby and used it to manipulate and provoke him in a time where they all should be working together which was escaping from the dead in the blizzard. Of course, after all the shit he goes through, he'd react badly to the person who knew AJ whereabouts who wasn't talking and made him think he was dead and Jane knew this, she'd been trying to provoke him all episode, she wanted a battle to the death whereas Kenny was pushed to it. I'm not excusing Kenny's behavior but Jane herself had her own free reign, she had a choice and she chose to lie & manipulate. Don't forget she wanted Kenny dead too and was also trying to kill him, no one forced her to pull an unnecessary stunt.
If you played the game, you know she planned the whole thing. She left him in a car and was willing to die keeping his whereabouts a secret and you think she was thinking of the baby's safety? You may believe that she was saving AJ but she used him and put him at risk in order to bait Kenny. People with common sense would've revealed that the baby is OK the second they walk through the door, not Jane though, she knew this would get a rise out of Kenny and continue to provoke, she even pulled out her knife.
Like I said before, you can say the same about Jane, not just the fight but the whole episode. She wouldn't listen to reason and tried to poison you against Kenny, even tried to convince you, a little girl, to drive away and leave Kenny for dead. She acted like she knew Kenny better than Clem, Jane wanted a fight to the death.
Jane put herself in that position where she dies, no one to blame but herself. Tell me, why'd she keep quiet? she had plenty of opportunity to reveal AJ whereabouts but didn't, she could've ended the fight but kept on going, she would rather die and potentially kill AJ too rather than reveal his whereabouts, you know why she didn't? she wanted Kenny dead, she accepted that either she dies or he dies, she wanted blood and didn't want either of two to come out alive. Like I said before, I'm not excusing Kenny's reaction but I can see that Jane is a disturbed troublemaking manipulator and is even crazier and unhinged than she paints Kenny out to be.
jane wasnt trying to manipulate clem, she was only showing clem how dangerous kenny really was, because until then clem would keep defending kenny.
That is manipulating her, the whole episode she was making Kenny out to be this dangerous lunatic, comparing him to Carver even when she didn't know him, Clem tried telling her otherwise and she brushes it off, she acted like she knew Kenny more than Clem did even though Clem knew him longer. She tried to get Clem to drive off and leave Kenny stranded and even tricked Clem into shooting Kenny(determinant) when she failed to kill him even though she could've saved herself at any time, she didn't care that she put Clem in a position to shoot her friend. Jane was disturbed, unstable and dangerous, she would've done the same to Lee if it meant having Clem for herself, she was in no position to question anyone's sanity when she herself is fucked in the head.
That’s called selfishness. Putting your own life over someone else’s for the sake of your own well being. It is overly selfish to do this to people you deeply care about. Cowardly is another adjective you might use to describe someone who has the traits you’ve written.
Lmao. This is the kinda shit us “Kenny fanatics” get blamed for saying when in reality most of us understand that Kenny has made mistakes.
One too fucking many at that.
Nobody is perfect. Personally I believe Kenny’s positive actions heavily outweigh the mistakes he’s made. My main point was that you really can’t believe Jane is always right, that’s completely idiotic. If you prefer her “pragmatic” (if you can even call it that) outlook then whatever. But according to your logic of Jane always being right, apparently she was in the right to seduce Luke into having sex when he was supposed to be keeping watch? Come on... even you have to admit that your “She is always right” comment is complete bullshit.
Why the fuck do I even bother clicking on these threads?
This here might sound very biased, but it really isn't. I just have to describe it directly from Kenny's perspective so that we can actually understand as good as possible why he was the way he was to Jane.
I think he generally was not mad at her. But I think he was very distrustful.
Reasons I could think of:
-She had sex with Luke when they were supposed to watch out for walkers so that Rebecca could give birth.
-She abandoned the group once.
-Her stealing from Arvo resulted into an ambush where they could have died.
-She was constantly talking bad about him behind his back and it turned out he noticed that.
-She offers Clem alcohol and Kenny doesn't like that because of the fact that Clem is still little.
-She saw AJ as a burden whereas Kenny saw AJ as a reason to keep going. He always had a soft spot for kids.
-Maybe his gut feelings told him that Jane can't be trusted. (To be fair Kennys gut feelings were not always wrong throughout S1 and S2)
Ultimately, yes. He was mad at her when Jane hid the baby. To me, it was pretty obvious that Kenny has become the new father role of AJ. He truly cared about him. When Jane appeared without the baby and he asked her where the baby was without getting any response from Jane he couldn't handle it. He presumed Jane was responsible for AJ's death. The baby he deeply cared about. Like most fathers probably would do, out of vengance he started to attack her.
These are possible reasons from his perspective. If they are justifiable is up to you to decide.
Jane planned for exactly that to happen, she even says so herself towards the end of the fight. And like Kenny said, she could've stopped the fight at literally any point by revealing the truth about AJ. If she'd done that at the point where she stabbed him in the gut with her knife and clearly had the upper hand, she could've convinced Clem that Kenny was unstable and dangerous without either of them having to die. Instead she charges at a wounded Kenny trying to finish him off and loses her weapon.
I would just like to point out that everyone who has ever agrued with me on this got......are no longer able to participate in thread discussions anymore? Call me....reaper
I accompany the sentiment
I'm still here.
Not for long....
because kenny was in fact a dangerous lunatic. that was heavily implied like basically the whole season. clem was being naive and jane wanted to show her how bad kenny was.
If Kenny spoke/moved, Kenny haters lose their shit over him lol
Because everything came out of his mouth was bullshit.
With every movement he made, people got seriously hurt
The only person who was a lunatic and naive was Jane pure and simple for the things she did.
That’s your opinion which i think is wrong on so many levels.
I believe my "opinion", as you called it, is in fact.....a fact.
Believe what shit you want but an opinion can never be an actual fact. But in MY opinion you’re wrong about it being a fact when in FACT everything that comes out of the so called haters mouths is bullshit LOL ?
So everything me and my fellow Jane supporters said about Kenny was bs?