The thing that people don't get about AJ shooting Marlon
There are some comments here saying that AJ is wrong cause he waited to shoot Marlon and shot him when he stopped being dangerous. But the thing is, the gun was the whole time in Marlons hand. When Marlon said: I didn't want this, AJ is behind the group. A few seconds later, Marlon drops the gun. Now there are 38 seconds between Marlon dropping the gun and AJ shooting Marlon. AJ has to go all the way to be behind Marlon, get in a good position and aim the right way at Marlon head. I'd say that all takes a solid 30-35 seconds. AJ immediately shot Marlon when he had the gun. Its not like he waited. If he had the chance he would probably do it sooner. Like for example: when Marlon is shouting: I'm trying to protect you! And waving dangerously the gun around, AJ can shoot him.
And yea I know AJ also has the gun at the beginning of the scene, but he probably didn't want to shoot Marlon yet cause he wanted to hear from him were Clementine was. AJ to Marlon: Where is she!
AJ didn't wait on purpose for Marlon to cry and all and then shoot him. He simply was to focussed on killing Marlon. It was already in his head when Marlon was being dangerous. But he didn't had the gun yet. And he didn't wait after Marlon dropped the gun. He immediately headshotted him when got the chance to get the gun again, doing 30-35 seconds about it.
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Show me where people were saying that. And he was wrong for shooting him after he got the gun. He got the gun after the most crucial moment had past, yet decided to shoot for no reason.
You overestimate that piece of shit's capacity to think with reason
You make it seem like Marlon was 20 feet away.
That's the problem. He wasn't supposed to shoot Marlon at all.
Marlon threatened Clementine. Ipso facto he wrote his own name in the death note with that Action.
Would you have shot him?
There were some comments but I have no idea where they are so I can't exactly show you.
Anyway, yea if he would walk normal he would probably be behind Marlon in 5-10 seconds. But he had to SNEAK to be unseen. That obviously takes alot longer, like 25 seconds. Then AJ getting in a good position and aim at his head. What will take 5-10 seconds.
Am I Aj or Clem or me? Because I would have shot him twice to made sure it stuck.
To me AJ was wrong in killing Marlon. but I also believe AJ himself thought that shooting Marlon would be the best and only option to protect himself and Clementine. He failed to acknowledge Marlon's obvious regret and sadness from giving away Sophie and Minerva as well as accidently killing Brody because he was enraged with Marlon accusing Clementine of murdering Brody as well as Marlon's plan to give Clementine and AJ away to the raiders.
If I did a bad job at explaining please let me know as I am terrible at explanations
As yourself
Sold the twins to rapists I'd ask Tenn or violet if they wanted to do it. Then if not kneecap him and drop him outside the gates.
For someone who doesn't even know the half of the entire story, as well as having only been at Ericson's for like 2 or 3 days, that shouldn't even matter to him, let alone be a reason to kill Marlon. That being said, he had no reason to shoot, as Clementine was still in one piece. He's just too young to have a gun.
I really do suck at explaining stuff.
I understand what you're saying. You believe AJ's wrong for killing Marlon, but think AJ, from his fucked up perspective, was overwhelmed with anger due to Marlon accusing Clementine of killing brody, and didn't realise that Marlon was no longer a problem, right?
All i'm saying is AJ didn't seem to care that Marlon wasn't a problem anymore once he lost the gun, and chose to shoot anyways. Also, I get that you're saying AJ was probably mad at Marlon for killing Brody, and essentially killing the twins. If that is also the case for AJ shooting Marlon, I don't think that should even matter to him at all, on account of him only knowing any of them for three days. Same goes with Clementine.
"Marlon wasn't a problem anymore" that's adorable.
I remember that last argument you, me, and @Hillbilly_Dave had gotten into over this subject
. I know your past experiences are part of the reason why you believe Marlon was still a threat, so I won't spark another argument
AJ killed Marlon because he wanted to protect Clem. That it.
Threat and problem aren't the same thing though. I mean say Marlon sold them out and tried to pull a... Whatever the name of the guy who went behind Rick's back to Negan was. "Put me back in charge and I'll do whatever you want" Marlon would be dead regardless and he'd spill Ericson's secrets. That downgrades him from threat to problem.
Lock him up in the basement you have to hire guards to watch him
That makes him a problem. Invite him back into the group get your throat slit in your sleep that makes him a threat/, problem.
No matter if you consider him a threat even you can't deny he was still a "problem" regardless
Minnie and Sophie, right?
I don't keep up with the show anymore
I mean there's no guarantee he'd do that unless they came to him or he went looking for them. Also, he'd only be able to do that if you told him to leave and never come back, which wouldn't be wrong of you.
You wouldn't have to "hire" anyone to do anything, as they'd probably volunteer to do so. They wouldn't have to keep watch of him either if you let him stay.
Why would he do that? He only acted violently when it came to keeping a secret a secret. They know his truth now, so he wouldn't have a reason to kill Clem/AJ. Also, he'd be vastly outnumbered by everyone else if they found out he killed Clementine and AJ, so he'd be digging himself a hole by doing that.
Banishment:
Imprisonment: ok Brody you can stand guard because everyone else has a job vital to the community.... Oh wait I need to speak up because what's left of your brain is on that flashlight? Well someone has to stop doing security, hunting, or fixing the damn green house to watch Marlon and possibly sympathize with his situation.
Join the group: "I'll guard the gate I promise I won't lock you guys out when you need to get in and/or let the bandits in." Crosses find gets behind back
Death was the best solution. Because you don't have to worry about a Dead man so long as he stays dead. But Violet and Tenn deserved to do the honors.
I don't think he would've been a problem. Also, AJ himself didn't see Marlon as such. He didn't reach the conclusion that Marlon would've told the raiders about them, or would've tried to kill them in their sleep, or would've tried to cross them in some way. He just shot him without thinking. you heard his last words, you know he didn't understand the severity of what he had done. That's why I think he was wrong for shooting Marlon.
You wouldn't have to watch him at all. He still cared about them, he just didn't want his secret to get out, and did what he could to try to stop it from happening. But now everyone knows, so there's no one left for him to kill, nor is there anything left for him to hide. Also, what would he get out of betraying them now that he couldn't have gotten from betraying them back when he gave up the twins? Even after he let the twins go, he was still trying to keep everyone safe, and tried to make sure no one else would get taken by telling them not to go out too far.
He's a coward. He'd sell them all out to save his own skin.
So he should've went down with his ship is what you're saying, because that's what it would've came down to.
Yeah he should have. Which is one of the options Clem can say. And I have no doubt a sadistic choice like that is in Clem's future too.
Now the subject of AJ and planning.
With tbe example I gave elsewhere. Marlon threatened Clem. That was all AJ needed. He started seeing red ( though Marlon smacking him didn't help to calm the situation. ) Marlon was dead the moment he threatened Clem e en if she kept the gun he'd have killed Marlon later. Tied to a chair in the basement, while out hunting, when Marlon was asleep in bed. Didn't matter. Marlon earned death. And I agree I just hope in the next episode I can tell AJ it should have been Violet or Tenn to pull the trigger.
Very well then, but if/when the time comes, I want to see if you'll let Clem and AJ die, along with everyone else, or run away with AJ with your tails tucked between your legs
I STRONGLY think otherwise, but let us agree to disagree, shall we
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Bish please. MY Clementine would eat a bullet herself if Violet got bit so she'd do anything to protect Violet. Including going down vwith the ship.
And again another same topic in another long week to launch the ep 2 ... I did not understand your points between 30-35 seconds you did not explain right
And leave AJ by himself? Or would she make him eat one too
Also, you said AJ is very protective over Clem and would do anything to help her, right? Let's say Clem trying to kill herself. Would he shoot her since she's being put in danger by herself, or would he help her since she's trying to kill her attacker? Basically, would AJ kill Clem to save Clem?
I think he'd do it for her like how Javi can shoot Gabe or Gabe can shoot Gabe depending on actions. Though if you chose " save one for yourself" .... Looks like we're all Joining Tenn's picture.
You know first seeing AJ kill Marlon, I was pretty pissed. Marlon, in my play through, wanted to be forgotten as a bad memory, I knew that Marlon was sorry for what he did. After all, he was a kid with such a huge responsibility. He had to take care of all the kids at the school making sure that they are safe). That's a huge task for a Teen (technically kid).
I can see why AJ did it though because like unlike Clem, he grew up in the apocalypse. All he knew in his entire life was killing and danger lurks in every corner.
However, just because of that reason, that doesn't make him shooting Marlon right. But honestly I'm not mad at AJ. I'm disappointed at Clem for not teaching him basic morality. Did Lee not tell her to only shoot the head if its a walker but if its a person then shoot them anywhere (I think that was a determinant dialogue choice. I know he told Clem that in my gameplay of Season 1)?
Also I'm mad at the fact that there was no way to prevent this. No matter how much you do to try to keep AJ as a moral person you make, the ending is still the same. In my gameplay, I was moral for the most part (The only time I wasn't was with the Rabbit and Killing the Walker couple). I tried my best to make AJ as good as ever, teaching him right from wrong, but in the end, it didn't even matter.
This boys only what? Fuckin five? Six tops born and living in the zombie apocalypse. & he can't get cut any slack for trying to eliminate what was and still potentially can be a threat to his surrogate mother and new found friends? AJ's actions are understandable and believable but also in need of education.
Obviously a monster like..
Marlon would still be alive if he didn't flip out and threaten Clem's life in front of AJ to cause his little brain to confirm he needed to be dead to no longer be a threat. AJ is not anywhere near mature enough to understand sparing an enemies life when the weapon is down. especially without being taught in times like those because all he could see was a threat to Clem and others. David was almost similar when he killed Rufus and those who killed Kenny in season two ought to understand when seeing that predicament through the eyes of a practical toddler.
Ya know, I was confused as to how Aj retrieved the gun after Marlon dropped it. But then I looked back throughout the first episode and Aj is very stealthy. At this moment I can only think of two examples. The first being when we are talking to Aasim while he was writing and AJ took the book without Clem and Aasim noticing. The second example is when they were finished with dinner and they were about to play the card game and Clem is like “Wait, what about AJ?” And notices that he has left without a sound. So when Marlon surrendered and dropped the gun, everyone was distracted at the moment not noticing AJ at all.
Sorry for that poor explanaton. But what I mean is, AJ didn’t wait on purpose for Marlon to all cy and all. Like some people said. He already had it in his head the whole scene. What makes him a little less ‘’evil’’, cause if he did wait on purpose, it would make him more like a psychopath schooting someone because he likes it.
I believe @Thebatman377 was referring to me... and here I was hoping to enjoy a nice, laid back Saturday, but instead I’m here on the telltale forums trying to carefully explain things to people....
Quick question for the OP... what are you driving at exactly? Pls make it quick and short btw, I rlly cba reading freakin’ novels.
This is still a thing I see.
You did a much better job at explaining what I meant than I did.
I 100% believe that AJ killing Marlon was wrong. I have no doubt in my mind about it.
But I believe that AJ felt he was dealing with a potential future "threat" to him and Clementine and that was why he shot and killed Marlon. When Marlon was exposed for giving away the twins to the raiders, the same group of people who he planned on giving AJ and Clementine away to, AJ was obviously pretty angry as he placed his trust in Marlon to protect him and Clementine and to keep them safe. But the trust he had in Marlon disappeared when Marlon framed Clementine for Brody's murder and learning of a plan that put his life and Clementine's life at risk. Despite it not directly affecting him, Marlon giving away the twins would have damaged the respect that AJ may have had for him, as, to AJ, Marlon would sacrifice anyone to keep himself safe. So AJ felt that he should be the Judge, Jury and Executioner for what Marlon did before and to take Marlon's life.
I don't think Marlon should have been killed for what he done. It is pretty easy to see he regrets what he did, he is ashamed for giving away the twins and disgusted that he killed Brody, his best friend. While what he did was wrong, it worked and saved everyone in the Boarding School. I know he said he would do it again and while it is a messed up thing to say, it really shows how he cares for The Boarding School and the kids, he was sacrificing people he held dear to him and his sanity in order to save everyone else. Since he gave them away he has become extremely paranoid and pulled back the safe zone in order to protect the kids, by keeping them away from the raiders.
Hopefully I spoke properly and clearly this time. I had a much longer comment typed out but it disappeared. I doubt you wanted to read something that was the same length as the Old Testament so I decided to leave it at that
AJ NEEDS TO BE THROWN IN A WOOD CHIPPER. NO, A MEAT GRINDER. BETTER YET, A FURNACE.
No. While he was justified in originally holding him at gunpoint due to Marlon's likely frantic behavior and Clementine missing however that doesn't excuse his later action. Killing an unarmed, broken person after they willingly surrender is nothing short of murder. The lack of empathy and care shown after is nothing short of the behavior of a sociopath and while it's understandable that the world he lives in could make him one it doesn't make it any less worrisome
I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED
Moments where AJ showed he has no empathy and is a souless Killing machine.
ARip into them gobbling them like a hungry Animal
Or
B. Ask what about Clementine and then hesitates to eat ( at least until off screen)
Clearly A. Because he has no empathy so why would he care about Clementine?
A. Make apologies as she instructed, remember advice like saving the last bullet or aiming for the head learning to kick in doors learning g to look for hiding spaces or a way out. Stop slurping down good etc.
Or
B. Do whatever the fuck he feels like
This time it's B. Because he's an detatched little psycho right
A. Hops into bed immediately only caring about his comfort and we'll being
Or
B. Hides under the bed so he can safely was Clem sleep and protect her from threats.
Well why would a sociopath with no empathy care about Clementine's safety clearly he just climbed into bed without any fuss
When Clementine is missing he
A. Smoked a Bible cigarette and went "Ay what do I fucking care I have no empathy"
Or
B
. Immediately started questioning the dude with blood on his face.
When Clem is having nightmares he . A. Sits up with a knife ready to defend her, wants to go on patrol to keep her safe and lays beside her with him between her and any possible attackers or B. He went back to sleep why the fuck should he care about her nightmares
In conclusion when you review the evidence clearly he is an monster with no empathy and doesn't give a shit about Clementine.
Or did you get different answers?
He was talking about empathy towards other people (Marlon), not Clem.
To have empathy is to understand why someone like Marlon did what they did and not judge them for it with instant DEATH when you know 5% of the story or any of the underlying reasons, there is usually a chance for redemption with people like that and the decision to excommunicate or execute can always be made later, now there is no chance for anything because he is just dead.
You done fucked up AJ.