If Clem "stayed and watched" it told the game that she was ok with that happening. If you left with Luke and the others it showed that she was not cool with that. So, because this is an opinion, I am saying that it was not right. No person deserves to be tortured no matter what they have done; all that does is sacrifice your humanity (which is why my Lee wouldn't have let that happen.
Considering that I'm Lee, I would have focused more on getting out of the area more than giving Carver a good beating when a bullet to the head would have sufficed.
I think he would have, given he himself killed the st johns and the stalker guy with his bare hands. Lee was a badass, so was Kenny, and now it's Clem turn to hold up the badass touch of murder.
I'd have loved a season two alternate universe where Lee survives with Clementine and has to deal with Carver along with the cabin group folk. A lot of walking dead what ifs sound so intriguing.
Remember, Lee could have threatened old people with a gun, let a teenager fall to his death, shot a rambling woman in the head with no warning, impaled a man with a pitchfork, kicked another man into a electric fence after beating his face to a bloody pulp, lie on multiple occasions to children and friends, including on his bite, shoot Molly, agreed to throw a little boy out to the walkers, fed himself over children, could cut off a man's leg partially leaving him to be devoured, could not shoot a bitten woman and let her suffer to get more supplies, could fight Kenny to stop the train, and attempt to throw a bust at Kenny, among other things.
Depends on the Lee.
Remember, Lee could have threatened old people with a gun, let a teenager fall to his death, shot a rambling woman in… more the head with no warning, impaled a man with a pitchfork, kicked another man into a electric fence after beating his face to a bloody pulp, lie on multiple occasions to children and friends, including on his bite, shoot Molly, agreed to throw a little boy out to the walkers, fed himself over children, could cut off a man's leg partially leaving him to be devoured, could not shoot a bitten woman and let her suffer to get more supplies, could fight Kenny to stop the train, and attempt to throw a bust at Kenny, among other things.
So, maybe...
I'd like to think my Lee would've stopped the group from jumping headfirst into that awful, nonsensical plan. They were in a safe compound, filled with supplies and with a reliable source of energy. All you have to give in return is a little labor for the betterment of the group... what was the problem here? Don't like Carver? Get rid of him! Don't just jump into a herd of walkers with a pregnant lady and no supplies... then you get to episode 4 and the group suddenly realizes: "Omg!!! We have no supplies and no safe place for Rebecca to deliver her baby. ", yeah, well, duh!?!?
To answer the original question, beating Carver to a pulp was accomplishing... what exactly? And that's as far as the conversation would've gone for Lee. If the group had decided on killing him, then shoot him and haul ass, if the group had decided to spare him, then leave him and, well, haul ass! Don't just waste precious time jacking off your psychotic violence boner.
Lee killing those people had one major difference....there was no chance of being found out by a bunch of heavily armed pals...unlike with Carver. Staying to beat carver to death was stupid. Carver deserved death...but Kenny just wasted precious time.
I think he would have, given he himself killed the st johns and the stalker guy with his bare hands. Lee was a badass, so was Kenny, and now it's Clem turn to hold up the badass touch of murder.
Lee killing those people had one major difference....there was no chance of being found out by a bunch of heavily armed pals...unlike with C… morearver. Staying to beat carver to death was stupid. Carver deserved death...but Kenny just wasted precious time.
I think he would, don't forget, Lee killed St Johns, bandits and Stranger, he killed bad guys to protect himself, I'm sure he'd understand Kenny smashing Carver's face especially since Carver laid a hand on Clem.
Depends on the Lee.
Remember, Lee could have threatened old people with a gun, let a teenager fall to his death, shot a rambling woman in… more the head with no warning, impaled a man with a pitchfork, kicked another man into a electric fence after beating his face to a bloody pulp, lie on multiple occasions to children and friends, including on his bite, shoot Molly, agreed to throw a little boy out to the walkers, fed himself over children, could cut off a man's leg partially leaving him to be devoured, could not shoot a bitten woman and let her suffer to get more supplies, could fight Kenny to stop the train, and attempt to throw a bust at Kenny, among other things.
So, maybe...
I'd like to think my Lee would've stopped the group from jumping headfirst into that awful, nonsensical plan. They were in a safe compound, … morefilled with supplies and with a reliable source of energy. All you have to give in return is a little labor for the betterment of the group... what was the problem here? Don't like Carver? Get rid of him! Don't just jump into a herd of walkers with a pregnant lady and no supplies... then you get to episode 4 and the group suddenly realizes: "Omg!!! We have no supplies and no safe place for Rebecca to deliver her baby. ", yeah, well, duh!?!?
To answer the original question, beating Carver to a pulp was accomplishing... what exactly? And that's as far as the conversation would've gone for Lee. If the group had decided on killing him, then shoot him and haul ass, if the group had decided to spare him, then leave him and, well, haul ass! Don't just waste precious time jacking off your psychotic violence boner.
If they had stayed? What about the rest of Carver’s people? There were a lot more of them than the rest of the group. Either way they had to get out of that place and find somewhere better.
To answer the original question, it depends on the Lee you choose to be. My Lee would have killed him and left. I don’t however think it was wasting time bashing his head in. When the group got outside they still had nowhere to go immediately. Maybe if they had killed Carver a lot earlier then perhaps the herd was further away
I'd like to think my Lee would've stopped the group from jumping headfirst into that awful, nonsensical plan. They were in a safe compound, … morefilled with supplies and with a reliable source of energy. All you have to give in return is a little labor for the betterment of the group... what was the problem here? Don't like Carver? Get rid of him! Don't just jump into a herd of walkers with a pregnant lady and no supplies... then you get to episode 4 and the group suddenly realizes: "Omg!!! We have no supplies and no safe place for Rebecca to deliver her baby. ", yeah, well, duh!?!?
To answer the original question, beating Carver to a pulp was accomplishing... what exactly? And that's as far as the conversation would've gone for Lee. If the group had decided on killing him, then shoot him and haul ass, if the group had decided to spare him, then leave him and, well, haul ass! Don't just waste precious time jacking off your psychotic violence boner.
I don’t think it wasted time. The group got out and were still surrounded even if they had got out 30 seconds earlier. If they had killed Carver say 30 minutes earlier then the herd may have been further away, i don’t know
Lee killing those people had one major difference....there was no chance of being found out by a bunch of heavily armed pals...unlike with C… morearver. Staying to beat carver to death was stupid. Carver deserved death...but Kenny just wasted precious time.
The rest of Carver's people were following the leader. And you can see they were more scared of him rather than being with him. After he kills Reggie we even see them vocally starting to doubt him. Tavia and Hank's conversation on the rooftop seems to indicate such, and killing Reggie even completely flips Bonnie over to our side. Carver was the real problem, the community itself though? It was a blessing, and pretty much the best shot for Rebecca to have a safe labor.
Point being that there were other options in this situation. Options that didn't involve throwing themselves into a herd of walkers with half the group in no mental condition to do so. It's just such a risk, and it certainly backfired. Carlos, Sarita, Sarah, Rebecca, AJ almost dying during birth, it all comes down to this horrible decision making. They weren't in emminent life danger at Carver's, in fact, Luke being beat to shit and Kenny getting his eyes bashed in... doesn't it all stem from our group relentlessly trying to escape for no good reason really?
If the herd was further away they could just walk towards it you know, and that does put them further away from Howe's. Maybe that could've saved Carlos's life and by extension Sarah's, Sarita's, maybe Rebecca's later down the line...
If they had stayed? What about the rest of Carver’s people? There were a lot more of them than the rest of the group. Either way they had to… more get out of that place and find somewhere better.
To answer the original question, it depends on the Lee you choose to be. My Lee would have killed him and left. I don’t however think it was wasting time bashing his head in. When the group got outside they still had nowhere to go immediately. Maybe if they had killed Carver a lot earlier then perhaps the herd was further away
His men may have been doubting him but as you said, they still followed his orders such as going to his office to take out Alvin when he instructed. Someone also shouted “where’s Bill? We need him up here” after his death occurred. Due to their fear of him, they most likely would have continued to listen to him. My point is, if the herd wasn’t distracting everyone, say that they didn’t even show up, then the group would have still had a difficult time dealing with all of Carver’s men, even with Bonnie’s help had they stayed.
I get what you are saying, ultimately yes Howe’s was a good place to hold up in on a temporary basis but not as a prisoner. If Carver and all his people could have been dealt with easier then i would agree with you and obviously the plan of escaping wouldn’t have come to anyone’s mind in the first place. The fact the herd was on it’s way they wanted to take the opportunity to use that herd to get out knowing the place would be and I quote “fuckin’ chaos when that thing hits”. For me it’s a 50/50 decision, stay at Howe’s as a prisoner where god knows would happen next with Carver or get out and be free, trying to find something better or even returning to Howe’s a bit later and stay somewhere close by?
The rest of Carver's people were following the leader. And you can see they were more scared of him rather than being with him. After he kil… morels Reggie we even see them vocally starting to doubt him. Tavia and Hank's conversation on the rooftop seems to indicate such, and killing Reggie even completely flips Bonnie over to our side. Carver was the real problem, the community itself though? It was a blessing, and pretty much the best shot for Rebecca to have a safe labor.
Point being that there were other options in this situation. Options that didn't involve throwing themselves into a herd of walkers with half the group in no mental condition to do so. It's just such a risk, and it certainly backfired. Carlos, Sarita, Sarah, Rebecca, AJ almost dying during birth, it all comes down to this horrible decision making. They weren't in emminent life danger at Carver's, in fact, Luke being beat to shit and Kenny getting his eyes bashed in... doesn't… [view original content]
My lee threatened old people killed the brothers, let the lady get eaten killed Ben shot Molly partially cut the guys leg off and left him. Shot the women in the woods, took the food threatened Vernon. Among other things.
Depends on the Lee.
Remember, Lee could have threatened old people with a gun, let a teenager fall to his death, shot a rambling woman in… more the head with no warning, impaled a man with a pitchfork, kicked another man into a electric fence after beating his face to a bloody pulp, lie on multiple occasions to children and friends, including on his bite, shoot Molly, agreed to throw a little boy out to the walkers, fed himself over children, could cut off a man's leg partially leaving him to be devoured, could not shoot a bitten woman and let her suffer to get more supplies, could fight Kenny to stop the train, and attempt to throw a bust at Kenny, among other things.
So, maybe...
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Yep.
My Lee would not have let Kenny do that.
She only say's this if you stayed and watched in s2
My Lee as sure as shit wouldn't have.
Shooting him? Most likely.
Killing him? Probably.
Continually beating him? He probably would've stopped him.
And? What's the point. We're talking about whether Carver deserved that or not, not whether Clem saw it happen.
No, we're not talking if Carver "deserved" it. I'm asking if Lee would have agreed with what Kenny did.
If Clem "stayed and watched" it told the game that she was ok with that happening. If you left with Luke and the others it showed that she was not cool with that. So, because this is an opinion, I am saying that it was not right. No person deserves to be tortured no matter what they have done; all that does is sacrifice your humanity (which is why my Lee wouldn't have let that happen.
Considering that I'm Lee, I would have focused more on getting out of the area more than giving Carver a good beating when a bullet to the head would have sufficed.
I think he would have, given he himself killed the st johns and the stalker guy with his bare hands. Lee was a badass, so was Kenny, and now it's Clem turn to hold up the badass touch of murder.
I'd have loved a season two alternate universe where Lee survives with Clementine and has to deal with Carver along with the cabin group folk. A lot of walking dead what ifs sound so intriguing.
Add to that statement with the fitting avatar pic. ?
To a point, but not as much as he did.
Depends on the Lee.
Remember, Lee could have threatened old people with a gun, let a teenager fall to his death, shot a rambling woman in the head with no warning, impaled a man with a pitchfork, kicked another man into a electric fence after beating his face to a bloody pulp, lie on multiple occasions to children and friends, including on his bite, shoot Molly, agreed to throw a little boy out to the walkers, fed himself over children, could cut off a man's leg partially leaving him to be devoured, could not shoot a bitten woman and let her suffer to get more supplies, could fight Kenny to stop the train, and attempt to throw a bust at Kenny, among other things.
So, maybe...
My Lee would've shot him in the head to buy the group time to escape.
Hmmmm maybe I’m sure if lee was still alive there would be like a choice where “let Kenny” and “stop Kenny” would be and the player would choose
Approve of it? Lmao. Lee would have been the one doing it if Carver put him and Clementine through all that shit.
Ofcourse. Carver killed their people. Larry never hurt anybody(except for that time he 1 hit K.O. Kenny and Lee)
To be fair, that one was pretty justified in context.
The fact what he did to Rebecca is kinda similar to what happened with Lee's Wife probably would've helped.
I'd like to think my Lee would've stopped the group from jumping headfirst into that awful, nonsensical plan. They were in a safe compound, filled with supplies and with a reliable source of energy. All you have to give in return is a little labor for the betterment of the group... what was the problem here? Don't like Carver? Get rid of him! Don't just jump into a herd of walkers with a pregnant lady and no supplies... then you get to episode 4 and the group suddenly realizes: "Omg!!! We have no supplies and no safe place for Rebecca to deliver her baby.
", yeah, well, duh!?!?
To answer the original question, beating Carver to a pulp was accomplishing... what exactly? And that's as far as the conversation would've gone for Lee. If the group had decided on killing him, then shoot him and haul ass, if the group had decided to spare him, then leave him and, well, haul ass! Don't just waste precious time jacking off your psychotic violence boner.
Yeah I agree. But you know, I wanted to make the blob of text bigger.
Ah, of couse.
Lee killing those people had one major difference....there was no chance of being found out by a bunch of heavily armed pals...unlike with Carver. Staying to beat carver to death was stupid. Carver deserved death...but Kenny just wasted precious time.
That's alright. Sometimes badassery takes times. It wasn't stupid, because it was badass.
I think he would, don't forget, Lee killed St Johns, bandits and Stranger, he killed bad guys to protect himself, I'm sure he'd understand Kenny smashing Carver's face especially since Carver laid a hand on Clem.
Dam with all those outcomes Lee can be a dam brutal survivor
kinda like staying at the motor inn or leaving. also determinant. sorta.
My Lee would be like 'what the hell Kenny?!' Even though, yes, he'd absolutely do it himself. hahaha
If they had stayed? What about the rest of Carver’s people? There were a lot more of them than the rest of the group. Either way they had to get out of that place and find somewhere better.
To answer the original question, it depends on the Lee you choose to be. My Lee would have killed him and left. I don’t however think it was wasting time bashing his head in. When the group got outside they still had nowhere to go immediately. Maybe if they had killed Carver a lot earlier then perhaps the herd was further away
I don’t think it wasted time. The group got out and were still surrounded even if they had got out 30 seconds earlier. If they had killed Carver say 30 minutes earlier then the herd may have been further away, i don’t know
The rest of Carver's people were following the leader. And you can see they were more scared of him rather than being with him. After he kills Reggie we even see them vocally starting to doubt him. Tavia and Hank's conversation on the rooftop seems to indicate such, and killing Reggie even completely flips Bonnie over to our side. Carver was the real problem, the community itself though? It was a blessing, and pretty much the best shot for Rebecca to have a safe labor.
Point being that there were other options in this situation. Options that didn't involve throwing themselves into a herd of walkers with half the group in no mental condition to do so. It's just such a risk, and it certainly backfired. Carlos, Sarita, Sarah, Rebecca, AJ almost dying during birth, it all comes down to this horrible decision making. They weren't in emminent life danger at Carver's, in fact, Luke being beat to shit and Kenny getting his eyes bashed in... doesn't it all stem from our group relentlessly trying to escape for no good reason really?
If the herd was further away they could just walk towards it you know, and that does put them further away from Howe's. Maybe that could've saved Carlos's life and by extension Sarah's, Sarita's, maybe Rebecca's later down the line...
uncomfortable with the situation, but my Lee would agree
In my opinion he would have agreed with him
His men may have been doubting him but as you said, they still followed his orders such as going to his office to take out Alvin when he instructed. Someone also shouted “where’s Bill? We need him up here” after his death occurred. Due to their fear of him, they most likely would have continued to listen to him. My point is, if the herd wasn’t distracting everyone, say that they didn’t even show up, then the group would have still had a difficult time dealing with all of Carver’s men, even with Bonnie’s help had they stayed.
I get what you are saying, ultimately yes Howe’s was a good place to hold up in on a temporary basis but not as a prisoner. If Carver and all his people could have been dealt with easier then i would agree with you and obviously the plan of escaping wouldn’t have come to anyone’s mind in the first place. The fact the herd was on it’s way they wanted to take the opportunity to use that herd to get out knowing the place would be and I quote “fuckin’ chaos when that thing hits”. For me it’s a 50/50 decision, stay at Howe’s as a prisoner where god knows would happen next with Carver or get out and be free, trying to find something better or even returning to Howe’s a bit later and stay somewhere close by?
My lee would have joined in
My lee threatened old people killed the brothers, let the lady get eaten killed Ben shot Molly partially cut the guys leg off and left him. Shot the women in the woods, took the food threatened Vernon. Among other things.
i always imagined Lee turning up at howe's and freeing up the cabin group, kenny and clementine and capturing carver for them
But not before tripping on something and becoming unconscious for 3-seconds
Most definitely not, even if you played as Brutal Lee. The choices presented as Brutal Lee are fast kills, not torturing.