I watched a playthrough where the player responds with “Not really” when larry asks you if you like his daughter. Larry calls Lee a ‘boy’ in a racially suggestive manner.
Does anyone else think Larry wasn't a racist? It's got me thinking because you can bring it up in Season 1 as a reason as to why he's so hos… moretile with you and while he doesn't technically deny it, he seems annoyed that Mark and Lee think it's his problem, however he doesn't deny it. Recently in Suffer The Children, Clementine also mentions he was a "racist asshole" but I'm just not buying it. I think he would have treated any convicted murderer that way especially with Lilly around. Seems kind of like playing the race card. Opinions?
I watched a playthrough where the player responds with “Not really” when larry asks you if you like his daughter. Larry calls Lee a ‘boy’ in a racially suggestive manner.
Go to around 1:52:15 mark
Choices in the final season fucking suck. They are uninteresting, unmemorable, unchallenging and incredibly short term decisions. Maybe with the exception of the AJ stuff which, mind you, is still 90% unexplored yet. Gone are the days where we had faced stuff like giving Irene the gun or not, who to feed, whether to kill the cannibal brothers, the meat locker ordeal just in the first two episodes. Right now the most memorable is... which love interest will you hang out with next... twice?
Not to mention how short lived the effects of the decisions are being. Abel missing an arm changed the total of 2 lines! Like there's no acknowledgement whatsoever that he's missing an arm side from those little remarks from Clem and AJ. The appeal choice change a line. Amazing. Then you have the hang out stuff in both episodes, and this is pretty self explanatory, you get two different 10 minutes scenes based on who you follow... and that's literally it. Hell, even a very promising choice like saving Violet or Louis is falling weak on its knees from how much Telltale has overdone character vs character situations, not to mention that it really comes down to who you like most in the end, much like the romance choice, which makes this kind of choice really lack moral baggage.
Finally, the choices just seem to be lacking the juxtaposed themes like they did in past seasons. We got a little bit of Ruthlessness vs Compassion with the walker choice. Some Sustainability vs Immediate Gain on the determinant hunting scene. Tiny bits of this and that from the smaller choices... and yeah that's pretty much it. Violet vs Louis just isn't that interesting. The rest like distracting the walker or not and telling AJ he's justified or not just feels like a [standard choice] vs [asshole Clem playthrough choice]. Again, all this either really lacks moral baggage or is just so blatantly wrong/assholish/pointless it's fucking stupid.
I think the final season is being very solid, but that it's very lacking on this aspect.
Lilly. You know, that final moment where she's about to shoot Clem but can't bring herself to do it is almost very interesting, intense and heart-wrenching... if she hadn't shot at us without thinking twice earlier on the very same episode.
Choices in the final season fucking suck. They are uninteresting, unmemorable, unchallenging and incredibly short term decisions. Maybe with… more the exception of the AJ stuff which, mind you, is still 90% unexplored yet. Gone are the days where we had faced stuff like giving Irene the gun or not, who to feed, whether to kill the cannibal brothers, the meat locker ordeal just in the first two episodes. Right now the most memorable is... which love interest will you hang out with next... twice?
Not to mention how short lived the effects of the decisions are being. Abel missing an arm changed the total of 2 lines! Like there's no acknowledgement whatsoever that he's missing an arm side from those little remarks from Clem and AJ. The appeal choice change a line. Amazing. Then you have the hang out stuff in both episodes, and this is pretty self explanatory, you get two different 10 minutes scenes based on who you follow... and that's literally it.… [view original content]
Hm...considering he was originally envisioned as being abusive, I suppose it's possible that that was a consideration as well.
However, in context, I assume it's just him being a tough, crotchety old man talking down to a junior.
Does anyone else think Larry wasn't a racist? It's got me thinking because you can bring it up in Season 1 as a reason as to why he's so hos… moretile with you and while he doesn't technically deny it, he seems annoyed that Mark and Lee think it's his problem, however he doesn't deny it. Recently in Suffer The Children, Clementine also mentions he was a "racist asshole" but I'm just not buying it. I think he would have treated any convicted murderer that way especially with Lilly around. Seems kind of like playing the race card. Opinions?
Choices in the final season fucking suck. They are uninteresting, unmemorable, unchallenging and incredibly short term decisions. Maybe with… more the exception of the AJ stuff which, mind you, is still 90% unexplored yet. Gone are the days where we had faced stuff like giving Irene the gun or not, who to feed, whether to kill the cannibal brothers, the meat locker ordeal just in the first two episodes. Right now the most memorable is... which love interest will you hang out with next... twice?
Not to mention how short lived the effects of the decisions are being. Abel missing an arm changed the total of 2 lines! Like there's no acknowledgement whatsoever that he's missing an arm side from those little remarks from Clem and AJ. The appeal choice change a line. Amazing. Then you have the hang out stuff in both episodes, and this is pretty self explanatory, you get two different 10 minutes scenes based on who you follow... and that's literally it.… [view original content]
Uh, more like I'm questioning why she'd even have that as a concept in her mind, much less apply it posthumously to someone who, for all their faults, still cared about people--herself included.
Uh, more like I'm questioning why she'd even have that as a concept in her mind, much less apply it posthumously to someone who, for all their faults, still cared about people--herself included.
Lily and Carly both knew Lee is a convicted murder and Carly even confronts him about it.
Infact it's implied most of the local people k… morenow.
But notice neither of them REALLY give a shit and it's only Larry constantly being on Lee's ass.
"You like my daughter?"
What kind of random question is that? My Lee didn't give a shit about Lily.
"i asked you a question, BOY." Notice the usage and emphasis of boy.
Cliche and also HISTORICAL southern racist trope to refer to GROWN black men as boy. (Lee is damn near 50, folks).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy#Race
The last quote should be the hint. TT put that in for a reason. That's not random writing.
You don't need to shout racial slurs to be a racist. Read between the lines.
Actually, Mark was only attempting to get Larry to ease up on Lee, carelessly repeating whatever Lee told him in the process.
Also, I'm semi-sure Clementine was halfway across the yard when that conversation is had, but whatever.
Anyway Larry wasn't racist, he just hated Lee because he was a killer.
True racist people dont give a flying fuck about black people, they despise them regardless the age, and Larry during the last part of episode 1 of S1 said to Lee: "if something happens to my daughter or that little girl you got with you, you watch your ass".
Why should Larry being concerned about an african american little girl if he was a racist? A racist hate everyone who have different skin colour, regardless if they're kids or adults or whatever,
Anyway Larry wasn't racist, he just hated Lee because he was a killer.
True racist people dont give a flying fuck about black people, they … moredespise them regardless the age, and Larry during the last part of episode 1 of S1 said to Lee: "if something happens to my daughter or that little girl you got with you, you watch your ass".
Why should Larry being concerned about an african american little girl if he was a racist? A racist hate everyone who have different skin colour, regardless if they're kids or adults or whatever,
Because Clementine is black?
I dont know but from what I know, racist people hate everyone who has a different skin color. Ages dont matter usually. But I might be wrong since I dont know many racist people, maybe they can make some exceptions.
Larry can be a racist against Lee and still care about Clem because Clem is a defenseless, innocent child. It's called paternal instincts. And separately having those 2 feelings is what a lot of people have with a lot of different stuff. It's not bizarre.
Because Clementine is black?
I dont know but from what I know, racist people hate everyone who has a different skin color. Ages dont matter usually. But I might be wrong since I dont know many racist people, maybe they can make some exceptions.
I heard lot of bad stuff that those crazy racist people could do, but that's off topic anyway.
Being racist doesnt mean being a neo nazi, a racist man just has a genuinely disdain towards black people in general, I mean it seems really weird that Larry, as a racist, was hating Lee but at the same time he cared about Clementine, it is a nonsense to me. I mean if I were a racist, I wouldnt care about Clementine safety, but it doenst mean I would want her dead at all costs at same time.
But who knows, I think im a bit off topic.
I never heard of neo-nazis targeting children.
Larry can be a racist against Lee and still care about Clem because Clem is a defenseless… more, innocent child. It's called paternal instincts. And separately having those 2 feelings is what a lot of people have with a lot of different stuff. It's not bizarre.
I never heard of neo-nazis targeting children.
Larry can be a racist against Lee and still care about Clem because Clem is a defenseless… more, innocent child. It's called paternal instincts. And separately having those 2 feelings is what a lot of people have with a lot of different stuff. It's not bizarre.
I heard lot of bad stuff that those crazy racist people could do, but that's off topic anyway.
Being racist doesnt mean being a neo nazi, a… more racist man just has a genuinely disdain towards black people in general, I mean it seems really weird that Larry, as a racist, was hating Lee but at the same time he cared about Clementine, it is a nonsense to me. I mean if I were a racist, I wouldnt care about Clementine safety, but it doenst mean I would want her dead at all costs at same time.
But who knows, I think im a bit off topic.
Historically speaking, the KKK were separate from the neo-nazi movement. They were also a terrorist organization.
Note I didn't say Larry was a card-carrying Golden Dawn member. Racist people are normal people believe it or not.
Golden Dawn are a right-wing political party infamously associated with murdering many people over the years. Even then, Golden Dawn have never been linked to the murder of children.
How is racism not normal? Stop being naive. Kirkman has written other racists into his work so it's not even an out of place thing in the TWD universe.
the KKK were separate from the neo-nazi movement
They're all the same shit.
Golden Dawn
Enlighten me.
Racist people are normal people believe it or not.
Nooooo they are not
You said "Racist people are normal people", to which I replied "no they are not". I never said racism wasn't normal. Is it normal to hate/discriminate against somebody because I foolishly believe i'm superior to them in every way for no good reason?
Even then, Golden Dawn have never been linked to the murder of children
Golden Dawn are a right-wing political party infamously associated with murdering many people over the years. Even then, Golden Dawn have n… moreever been linked to the murder of children.
How is racism not normal? Stop being naive. Kirkman has written other racists into his work so it's not even an out of place thing in the TWD universe.
I already stopped.
Given that Clem says Larry is a racist regardless of what you chose to view him as in S1, I'll go ahead and say it's
… more canon that Larry is racist.
I'm sure the writers of TFS can back me up since they knew what they were doing.
Historically speaking, the KKK were separate from the neo-nazi movement. They were also a terrorist organization.
Note I didn't say Larry was a card-carrying Golden Dawn member. Racist people are normal people believe it or not.
What are you on about, I thought you didn't want to discuss anymore?
Who cares that Larry was an obvious racist in S1 who antagonized and hated Lee no matter if you were nice to him or not even though Lee never met this POS in his life, he's dead. Nothing was lost.
What are you on about, I thought you didn't want to discuss anymore?
Who cares that Larry was an obvious racist in S1 who antagonized and… more hated Lee no matter if you were nice to him or not even though Lee never met this POS in his life, he's dead. Nothing was lost.
The Michonne series was unnecessary, as well as the cameo of Jesus. The Walking Dead Universe is expansive, and presenting a story in a mini-DLC of other survivors would have been interesting. Some have suggested a DLC focusing on the Season 2 Ep.1 time-skip. Even a follow-up on Glen, Molly and others would have been more intriguing than "plot armor protected" characters.
The Season 2 ending should have culminated with four choices: Jane, Kenny, Luke or alone. It would have given the finale a stronger impact had Luke remained an option.
Kenny has no one to blame but himself for the beating he received from Carver, whom he provoked with a snide remark.
Fans asking for "X artist or musician" or a well-known voice actor should realize that this diverts funding from creating a solid episode. There is nothing wrong with the music created in-studio.
Lee's words to Clementine in the last episode of Season 2 (her dream) seemed to contradict his character from the entirety of the first season.
Kenny has his flaws, but he is dedicated and protective of what he considers to be his "family". With the events of Season 2, Eps. 3-5, his group became his de facto family. Some despised him for pummeling Arvo, but from his perspective, they barely survived an ambush and endured two losses due to Arvo's deception.
Related to Kenny, people need to remember that within an extremely short span of time, he lost a place of security and peace, three people, his dignity (i.e., Carver's beating), and has PTSD courtesy of the Cabin Group St. John's did not help matters. Considering the circumstances, he kept himself together as best as he could. He will always do what is morally correct, even though initially others will disagree with him (re, Lee, post-salt licked Larry--paraphrasing, "it was necessary but it should not have been done in front the girl").
There is no need for a "villain" . When order is disrupted, people become shades of grey. The dynamics of those interpersonal relationships are worthy to explore, not the trite "look that person's overtly evil, let's get 'em" perspective. The St. John's engaged in reprehensible acts, yet they served a purpose--their questionable supplies somewhat satiated the bandits. They did what was necessary to survive; unfortunately, Lee's group could not foresee the repercussions of ending the "meat donation" facility.
Lily had to adapt to the current circumstances, having had lost her father, living with his murderer who faced no consequences, and no longer being a part of the original group. People do what is needed to live in this new world.
I'd like to see Javier in Season 4 again. Yes, Season 3's quality was far behind all the other Telltale-Seasons - regardless which game - but i still liked him. I mean, we played a whole Season as him.
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I watched a playthrough where the player responds with “Not really” when larry asks you if you like his daughter. Larry calls Lee a ‘boy’ in a racially suggestive manner.
Go to around 1:52:15 mark
Hm...considering he was originally envisioned as being abusive, I suppose it's possible that that was a consideration as well.
However, in context, I assume it's just him being a tough, crotchety old man talking down to a junior.
Choices in the final season fucking suck. They are uninteresting, unmemorable, unchallenging and incredibly short term decisions. Maybe with the exception of the AJ stuff which, mind you, is still 90% unexplored yet. Gone are the days where we had faced stuff like giving Irene the gun or not, who to feed, whether to kill the cannibal brothers, the meat locker ordeal just in the first two episodes. Right now the most memorable is... which love interest will you hang out with next... twice?
Not to mention how short lived the effects of the decisions are being. Abel missing an arm changed the total of 2 lines! Like there's no acknowledgement whatsoever that he's missing an arm side from those little remarks from Clem and AJ. The appeal choice change a line. Amazing. Then you have the hang out stuff in both episodes, and this is pretty self explanatory, you get two different 10 minutes scenes based on who you follow... and that's literally it. Hell, even a very promising choice like saving Violet or Louis is falling weak on its knees from how much Telltale has overdone character vs character situations, not to mention that it really comes down to who you like most in the end, much like the romance choice, which makes this kind of choice really lack moral baggage.
Finally, the choices just seem to be lacking the juxtaposed themes like they did in past seasons. We got a little bit of Ruthlessness vs Compassion with the walker choice. Some Sustainability vs Immediate Gain on the determinant hunting scene. Tiny bits of this and that from the smaller choices... and yeah that's pretty much it. Violet vs Louis just isn't that interesting. The rest like distracting the walker or not and telling AJ he's justified or not just feels like a [standard choice] vs [asshole Clem playthrough choice]. Again, all this either really lacks moral baggage or is just so blatantly wrong/assholish/pointless it's fucking stupid.
I think the final season is being very solid, but that it's very lacking on this aspect.
Lilly. You know, that final moment where she's about to shoot Clem but can't bring herself to do it is almost very interesting, intense and heart-wrenching... if she hadn't shot at us without thinking twice earlier on the very same episode.
Yeah....
I even question that at times.
I really need to finish my impressions some time this week.
Keep being in denial.
Also Clem is black and her biological dad is black. It's not weird for Clem to say. It's actually why she even mentions that.
Lily and Carly both knew Lee is a convicted murder and Carly even confronts him about it.
Infact it's implied most of the local people know.
But notice neither of them REALLY give a shit and it's only Larry constantly being on Lee's ass.
"You like my daughter?"
What kind of random question is that? My Lee didn't give a shit about Lily.
"i asked you a question, BOY." Notice the usage and emphasis of boy.
Cliche and also HISTORICAL southern racist trope to refer to GROWN black men as boy. (Lee is damn near 50, folks).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy#Race
The last quote should be the hint. TT put that in for a reason. That's not random writing.
You don't need to shout racial slurs to be a racist. Read between the lines.
I agree, man.
The AJ stuff is the only thing I'm looking forward to blossom in terms of our choices.
Mind you, Savage Clem is fun as hell.
Uh, more like I'm questioning why she'd even have that as a concept in her mind, much less apply it posthumously to someone who, for all their faults, still cared about people--herself included.
Mark on Lee's behalf calls out Larry as a racist at the motel. That's where she'd get the conception from.
Lee was 37 during S1.
Compared to Larry he was still a boy.
Actually, Mark was only attempting to get Larry to ease up on Lee, carelessly repeating whatever Lee told him in the process.
Also, I'm semi-sure Clementine was halfway across the yard when that conversation is had, but whatever.
She's close by enough.
I'd imagine that during the 3 months at the motel he was constantly antagonizing Lee for no reason. Clem would remember that.
Uh huh.
Anyway Larry wasn't racist, he just hated Lee because he was a killer.
True racist people dont give a flying fuck about black people, they despise them regardless the age, and Larry during the last part of episode 1 of S1 said to Lee: "if something happens to my daughter or that little girl you got with you, you watch your ass".
Why should Larry being concerned about an african american little girl if he was a racist? A racist hate everyone who have different skin colour, regardless if they're kids or adults or whatever,
Forgot S1 is set in 2004.
And nah, that's not gonna cut it. If you see a "boy" looking at Lee and hearing him I don't know what to tell you.
Lee (purposefully) looks like a goddamn dad.
What rule says racists don't care about little children? lol. Very little people actively hate children.
Because Clementine is black?
I dont know but from what I know, racist people hate everyone who has a different skin color. Ages dont matter usually. But I might be wrong since I dont know many racist people, maybe they can make some exceptions.
I never heard of neo-nazis targeting children.
Larry can be a racist against Lee and still care about Clem because Clem is a defenseless, innocent child. It's called paternal instincts. And separately having those 2 feelings is what a lot of people have with a lot of different stuff. It's not bizarre.
I heard lot of bad stuff that those crazy racist people could do, but that's off topic anyway.
Being racist doesnt mean being a neo nazi, a racist man just has a genuinely disdain towards black people in general, I mean it seems really weird that Larry, as a racist, was hating Lee but at the same time he cared about Clementine, it is a nonsense to me. I mean if I were a racist, I wouldnt care about Clementine safety, but it doenst mean I would want her dead at all costs at same time.
But who knows, I think im a bit off topic.
Racists hate coloured people no matter the age.
Birmingham church bombing, 1963, killed 4 little african american girls.
History neeeeerd! ??
If I hate Republicans does that mean I want their children to die?
Historically speaking, the KKK were separate from the neo-nazi movement. They were also a terrorist organization.
Note I didn't say Larry was a card-carrying Golden Dawn member. Racist people are normal people believe it or not.
They're all the same shit.
Enlighten me.
Nooooo they are not
Golden Dawn are a right-wing political party infamously associated with murdering many people over the years. Even then, Golden Dawn have never been linked to the murder of children.
How is racism not normal? Stop being naive. Kirkman has written other racists into his work so it's not even an out of place thing in the TWD universe.
You said "Racist people are normal people", to which I replied "no they are not". I never said racism wasn't normal. Is it normal to hate/discriminate against somebody because I foolishly believe i'm superior to them in every way for no good reason?
None that we know about
Can we please stop with the racist talk, please?
I already stopped.
Given that Clem says Larry is a racist regardless of what you chose to view him as in S1, I'll go ahead and say it's
canon that Larry is racist.
I'm sure the writers of TFS can back me up since they knew what they were doing.
Like she'd remotely be educated to say.
Just more Written by the Winners shit.
...
Wrong thread.
Lol dude why are you so keen on defending racism? ?
What are you on about, I thought you didn't want to discuss anymore?
Who cares that Larry was an obvious racist in S1 who antagonized and hated Lee no matter if you were nice to him or not even though Lee never met this POS in his life, he's dead. Nothing was lost.
Probably cause ya'll won't shut up about it and maybe stop throwing around sensitive terms a bit.
Ahem...back on topic...
The Michonne series was unnecessary, as well as the cameo of Jesus. The Walking Dead Universe is expansive, and presenting a story in a mini-DLC of other survivors would have been interesting. Some have suggested a DLC focusing on the Season 2 Ep.1 time-skip. Even a follow-up on Glen, Molly and others would have been more intriguing than "plot armor protected" characters.
The Season 2 ending should have culminated with four choices: Jane, Kenny, Luke or alone. It would have given the finale a stronger impact had Luke remained an option.
Kenny has no one to blame but himself for the beating he received from Carver, whom he provoked with a snide remark.
Fans asking for "X artist or musician" or a well-known voice actor should realize that this diverts funding from creating a solid episode. There is nothing wrong with the music created in-studio.
Lee's words to Clementine in the last episode of Season 2 (her dream) seemed to contradict his character from the entirety of the first season.
Kenny has his flaws, but he is dedicated and protective of what he considers to be his "family". With the events of Season 2, Eps. 3-5, his group became his de facto family. Some despised him for pummeling Arvo, but from his perspective, they barely survived an ambush and endured two losses due to Arvo's deception.
Related to Kenny, people need to remember that within an extremely short span of time, he lost a place of security and peace, three people, his dignity (i.e., Carver's beating), and has PTSD courtesy of the Cabin Group St. John's did not help matters. Considering the circumstances, he kept himself together as best as he could. He will always do what is morally correct, even though initially others will disagree with him (re, Lee, post-salt licked Larry--paraphrasing, "it was necessary but it should not have been done in front the girl").
There is no need for a "villain" . When order is disrupted, people become shades of grey. The dynamics of those interpersonal relationships are worthy to explore, not the trite "look that person's overtly evil, let's get 'em" perspective. The St. John's engaged in reprehensible acts, yet they served a purpose--their questionable supplies somewhat satiated the bandits. They did what was necessary to survive; unfortunately, Lee's group could not foresee the repercussions of ending the "meat donation" facility.
Lily had to adapt to the current circumstances, having had lost her father, living with his murderer who faced no consequences, and no longer being a part of the original group. People do what is needed to live in this new world.
Stop. Killing. Characters. Every. Single. Episode. Shock value? Nope. Desensitized? Yes.
I'd like to see Javier in Season 4 again. Yes, Season 3's quality was far behind all the other Telltale-Seasons - regardless which game - but i still liked him. I mean, we played a whole Season as him.
Yeah Larry was a racist but everyone knew that so it was a pointless discussion.
Pfff, Carver would have done it either way, even if Kenny said nothing, because Bill said 3 when he gave him the radio.
The fanbase is unashamedly ableist.