She could've blown Clem's head off within seconds and kept on her yet she had conflicting feelings of the situation.
She also specifically instructed her crew to shoot Clementine if she moved yet after Clem attacked and killed one of her own men and nearly killed Abel, she still is conflicted to kill Clementine.
If Lily really wanted to kill Clementine, she could've done it before Louis or anyone could have stopped her.
...well. you have a right to your opinion even if it's the wrong one. do y'all just not understand that she was literally mentally ill? she … moresuffered a trauma and then she had a mental breakdown, of course that's gonna make her act irrational and unstable. we know from the interactions we had with her when she was clear-headed that she was an individual that valued justice and selflessness, but she wasn't perfect. she was against stealing food from the stranger's car and she also acts appalled if you let the woman at the beginning of ep 3 act as distraction for the walkers.
*Lily slits the throat a newborn baby
"SHE HAD A TOUGH LIFE, SHE CAN BE REDEEMED!"
Lily fans are about to be worse than Kenny cultists, which I never thought was possible.
That stupid biatch (I presume you mean Carley) saved your life
She did one good thing. I'm supposed to defend her with my life?
… more Besides, not once in your arguments have you ever given reason that actually makes sense that she cared for the group.
She tried getting rid of the rat in the group that was threatening everyone's survival.
Quick question. Why are you in every thread that's pro-Lily/pro-Jane, trying to tell people they're wrong for having their opinions I don't enter threads about characters I don't like, but that's just me
You reply to those who are Kenny fans especially and do what you can to upset them. That’s one example. I’d have to go back on your posts to check but i really havent got the time lol
You reply to those who are Kenny fans especially and do what you can to upset them. That’s one example. I’d have to go back on your posts to check but i really havent got the time lol
Not strictly true. I have seen a few in the past where someone is in support of Kenny and had you start trash talking the character which as you know just causes arguments. When IceRyder gave his opinion on Lilly you replied with distaste
You reply to those who are Kenny fans especially
WHAT?! ME?!?!!
Anytime someone says something in favor of Lily/Jane, @IceRyder is there to shun them. I know I'm not the only one too
We don't go everywhere a Kenny fan shares their love for Kenny, and blast them will reasons why he's shit unless necessary. SOME PEOPLE do the opposite for Jane/Lily regardless.....
We don't go everywhere a Kenny fan shares their love for Kenny, and blast them will reasons why he's shit unless necessary. SOME PEOPLE do the opposite for Jane/Lily regardless.....
It's no secret that I like Lilly's character but she was far from being the greatest person or even holy to hang around with from the Moter in group.
Yes she made bad decisions and shooting someone in cold blood was wrong but it wasn't untill her father died (smashed his head in by Kenny or you and Kenny) infront of her eyes that she became more unstable, she had to sleep in the same building for weeks with the guy/guy's who dropped the saltlick on her father's head and there was nothing after that she could do about it GOD her father's brain was spilled over her.
Her father in her eyes might have been the only relative she knew was alive fully being aware that the man who basicly raised her into existence could get a heart attack at any day.
At the end of the day she made the shot YES but we understand how, why and what let to it, am I excusing her killing Doug/Carley NO but I understand what was going through her head.
She stole the RV because God knows she didn't knew what they would do to her.
You say Lilly never cared for her but why would she than give Clementine hair thingies or even bother looking after her for a few minutes or look out for her when everyone else was out there hunting and searching for food.
Lilly from S1 is very different from Lilly in TFS because she now joined basicly joined a group of raiders/bandits and attack Clementine and her school.
Speaking about bullshit choices while this is a different situation but Kenny as far as I remember on my playthrough didn't want to help me find Clem in S1 EP5 even though I helped him alot.
I shun them? All I do is reply in a respectful manner, I don't attack them or insult them, I don't pick fights, I just express my views on a character whether I dislike them or not. You on the other hand, insulted fans of a character you dislike, instead of having anything constructive to say, you just try to rile them up like you attempted to do with me, you even threatened to have me banned because you couldn't handle what I was saying and couldn't counter argue. Don't criticise others when you yourself are no different, don't act like a victim when you say others cause trouble with you when it's the opposite.
You reply to those who are Kenny fans especially
WHAT?! ME?!?!!
Anytime someone says something in favor of Lily/Jane, @IceRyder is there to shun them. I know I'm not the only one too
Yes she made bad decisions and shooting someone in cold blood was wrong but it wasn't untill her father died (smashed his head in by Kenny or you and Kenny) infront of her eyes that she became more unstable, she had to sleep in the same building for weeks with the guy/guy's who dropped the saltlick on her father's head and there was nothing after that she could do about it GOD her father's brain was spilled over her.
Her father in her eyes might have been the only relative she knew was alive fully being aware that the man who basicly raised her into existence could get a heart attack at any day.
At the end of the day she made the shot YES but we understand how, why and what let to it, am I excusing her killing Doug/Carley NO but I understand what was going through her head.
I'm aware about the tragedy she endured but you can't excuse grief as a reason for her behavior, so many people suffered tragedy worst than her. We understand she was grieving but why take it out on people that did nothing to her? this is where she gets hate, 8 years later, she's still the same hostile bitch that she was in Season 1.
She stole the RV because God knows she didn't knew what they would do to her.
This is the same group that let her back on after she committed cold-blooded murder and she took advantage of them. She didn't look scared. Lilly didn't exactly say she was scared for her life in STC.
You say Lilly never cared for her but why would she than give Clementine hair thingies or even bother looking after her for a few minutes or look out for her when everyone else was out there hunting and searching for food.
She probably didn't need the hair thingies herself, she just watched her for 5 minutes and you can't give her all the credit for watching Clem when everybody was out hunting, who knows, Katjaa or Carley could've been watching her. Like I said in my main thread, all that minor stuff is meaningless when she had the heart to abandon her out on in the middle of nowhere.
Lilly from S1 is very different from Lilly in TFS because she now joined basicly joined a group of raiders/bandits and attack Clementine and her school.
Not exactly, she's still the same selfish, bullying, hostile, cold-hearted bitch she was in Season 1.
Speaking about bullshit choices while this is a different situation but Kenny as far as I remember on my playthrough didn't want to help me find Clem in S1 EP5 even though I helped him alot.
Kenny was a dick, no denying that but even after he said that, he said he was willing to wait for you. Besides, you can change his mind and get him to come, could you change Lilly's mind about anything? no.
It's no secret that I like Lilly's character but she was far from being the greatest person or even holy to hang around with from the Moter … morein group.
Yes she made bad decisions and shooting someone in cold blood was wrong but it wasn't untill her father died (smashed his head in by Kenny or you and Kenny) infront of her eyes that she became more unstable, she had to sleep in the same building for weeks with the guy/guy's who dropped the saltlick on her father's head and there was nothing after that she could do about it GOD her father's brain was spilled over her.
Her father in her eyes might have been the only relative she knew was alive fully being aware that the man who basicly raised her into existence could get a heart attack at any day.
At the end of the day she made the shot YES but we understand how, why and what let to it, am I excusing her killing Doug/Carley NO but I understand what was going through her head.
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She **tried ** to blow Clems head off. Yeah she hesitated but she was gonna pull the trigger one way or another. You're probably gonna say if I made the choice of saying we're family (which is BS in my opinion) then she won't shoot but she would shoot Clem if you pick the other two choices, either way, she was willing to kill Clem, an unarmed teenager over an attitude after attacking her home. Let's recap what she did in the episode, she tried to kill Clem multiple times, taunted her by bringing Lee even going as far as saying that he should've left Clem, her right-hand man shot AJ by her order, threatened to kidnap AJ, attacked her home and you're still convinced she cared about Clem because she hesitated?
She could've blown Clem's head off within seconds and kept on her yet she had conflicting feelings of the situation.
She also specificall… morey instructed her crew to shoot Clementine if she moved yet after Clem attacked and killed one of her own men and nearly killed Abel, she still is conflicted to kill Clementine.
If Lily really wanted to kill Clementine, she could've done it before Louis or anyone could have stopped her.
If anything saying the BS melodramatic "we were family" option only prolonged a couple more seconds of fake sympathy. It didn't somehow change Lily's outlook or her mission plan. She's a raider you guys.
"Oh wow Clem you're right now I'm going to stop kidnapping children, and I totally don't want to kill you anymore!"
She **tried ** to blow Clems head off. Yeah she hesitated but she was gonna pull the trigger one way or another. You're probably gonna say i… moref I made the choice of saying we're family (which is BS in my opinion) then she won't shoot but she would shoot Clem if you pick the other two choices, either way, she was willing to kill Clem, an unarmed teenager over an attitude after attacking her home. Let's recap what she did in the episode, she tried to kill Clem multiple times, taunted her by bringing Lee even going as far as saying that he should've left Clem, her right-hand man shot AJ by her order, threatened to kidnap AJ, attacked her home and you're still convinced she cared about Clem because she hesitated?
Speaking about bullshit choices while this is a different situation but Kenny as far as I remember on my playthrough didn't want to help me find Clem in S1 EP5 even though I helped him alot.
Because you have to remind him about family, the one thing most important to him. We know he can be a jackass who doesn’t things through but when he does or someone reminds him, he goes with you. It really falls down to the not killing Larry choice. If Lee chooses not to help keep everyone safe in the meat locked, that’s why Kenny has a huge distaste for Lee from that moment basically
It's no secret that I like Lilly's character but she was far from being the greatest person or even holy to hang around with from the Moter … morein group.
Yes she made bad decisions and shooting someone in cold blood was wrong but it wasn't untill her father died (smashed his head in by Kenny or you and Kenny) infront of her eyes that she became more unstable, she had to sleep in the same building for weeks with the guy/guy's who dropped the saltlick on her father's head and there was nothing after that she could do about it GOD her father's brain was spilled over her.
Her father in her eyes might have been the only relative she knew was alive fully being aware that the man who basicly raised her into existence could get a heart attack at any day.
At the end of the day she made the shot YES but we understand how, why and what let to it, am I excusing her killing Doug/Carley NO but I understand what was going through her head.
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She's not wrong in her statement of Lee, Clementine and AJ.
Had Lee not assumed responsibility of her, he could possibly still be alive. And Lily's statement of AJ being Clementine's demise isn't false either.
If she truly had no attachment or consideration of Clementine, she should've and would've shot Clementine without second thought. After Clementine had severely wounded one of Lily's comrades and killed another one, Lily did have reason to kill Clementine on sight.
Its also important to remember that Clementine prompted Lily and Abel to attack them after either telling Violet to attack her or attacking Lily herself. Lily also offered to bring Clem and AJ into her camp and was wanting to persuade them into coming with them rather than attacking (as revealed by Abel during the attack)
She **tried ** to blow Clems head off. Yeah she hesitated but she was gonna pull the trigger one way or another. You're probably gonna say i… moref I made the choice of saying we're family (which is BS in my opinion) then she won't shoot but she would shoot Clem if you pick the other two choices, either way, she was willing to kill Clem, an unarmed teenager over an attitude after attacking her home. Let's recap what she did in the episode, she tried to kill Clem multiple times, taunted her by bringing Lee even going as far as saying that he should've left Clem, her right-hand man shot AJ by her order, threatened to kidnap AJ, attacked her home and you're still convinced she cared about Clem because she hesitated?
I shun them? All I do is reply in a respectful manner, I don't attack them or insult them, I don't pick fights, I just express my views on a… more character whether I dislike them or not. You on the other hand, insulted fans of a character you dislike, instead of having anything constructive to say, you just try to rile them up like you attempted to do with me, you even threatened to have me banned because you couldn't handle what I was saying and couldn't counter argue. Don't criticise others when you yourself are no different, don't act like a victim when you say others cause trouble with you when it's the opposite.
I see that they let you back on the board. You cared enough to reply and considering at that point we were discussing Kenny & Jane when you threatened to get me banned, that is the thing with you, you can't have a rational discussion, instead you act immature by being obnoxious in an attempt to start trouble.
you even threatened to have me banned because you couldn't handle what I was saying and couldn't counter argue.
You wouldn't have be… moreen able tell, but I really didn't care enough to argue over it with you since everything comes back to Kenny in some way.
She's not wrong in her statement of Lee, Clementine and AJ.
Had Lee not assumed responsibility of her, he could possibly still be alive. And Lily's statement of AJ being Clementine's demise isn't false either.
And you're still convinced Lilly cared for Clem after that statement of hers stating that caring would get you killed? she disrespected Lee whether he was nice to her or not to Clem who she apparently cares for. Reunited after 8 years and she says that. And not to mention, Clem took care of AJ for 5 years and she's still around but that statement sums her up to be a cold-hearted bitch she really is.
If she truly had no attachment or consideration of Clementine, she should've and would've shot Clementine without second thought. After Clementine had severely wounded one of Lily's comrades and killed another one, Lily did have reason to kill Clementine on sight.
I already said that Lilly tried to kill Clem, she tried to kill her multiple times in the episode but failed and you think because she hesitated(even though she does pull the trigger) that she didn't want to kill her despite shooting at her?
Its also important to remember that Clementine prompted Lily and Abel to attack them after either telling Violet to attack her or attacking Lily herself.
Only because Lilly & Abel held her against her will and was hurting AJ, it's not like Clem did it for no reason.
Lily also offered to bring Clem and AJ into her camp and was wanting to persuade them into coming with them rather than attacking (as revealed by Abel during the attack)
Only in exchange for Clem to betray and sell out her friends, she didn't offer Clem a safe haven out of the bottom of her heart.
She's not wrong in her statement of Lee, Clementine and AJ.
Had Lee not assumed responsibility of her, he could possibly still be alive. … moreAnd Lily's statement of AJ being Clementine's demise isn't false either.
If she truly had no attachment or consideration of Clementine, she should've and would've shot Clementine without second thought. After Clementine had severely wounded one of Lily's comrades and killed another one, Lily did have reason to kill Clementine on sight.
Its also important to remember that Clementine prompted Lily and Abel to attack them after either telling Violet to attack her or attacking Lily herself. Lily also offered to bring Clem and AJ into her camp and was wanting to persuade them into coming with them rather than attacking (as revealed by Abel during the attack)
I see that they let you back on the board. You cared enough to reply and considering at that point we were discussing Kenny & Jane when … moreyou threatened to get me banned, that is the thing with you, you can't have a rational discussion, instead you act immature by being obnoxious in an attempt to start trouble.
I'm not trying to excuse her that's what I said. I simply understand where she is coming from, beside the every person is different argument, she never felt appreciated for what she did because of all the arguments against her and being under constant stress of her father's well being.
She started losing it after her father died, does it make it oke to point fingers at people NO.
No she is not the same person from S1 the Lilly we see now joined a group of people that will attack and kidnap children by force if they have to, she joined a raiders group that she clearly would have disagreed with in S1, she didn't even want to steal food from a strangers car in EP2 unlike the Lilly from S4 who wouldn't mind that.
I'm not saying she looked scared but God knows what they will do to her, they would deal with it later and for all Lilly knew they would tie her up to a tree for Walkers to feast on.
She probably didn't need the hair thingies herself, she just watched her for 5 minutes and you can't give her all the credit for watching Clem when everybody was out hunting, who knows, Katjaa or Carley could've been watching her. Like I said in my main thread, all that minor stuff is meaningless when she had the heart to abandon her out on in the middle of nowhere.
That could be she probably didn't need it herself but if she didn't care than why not just throw it away? Why bother looking/staying with Clem after her father died? if she was a total bitch than why does she try to kill the man in the farm that tries to kill Lee after her father died (Yes she won't do it if you kill her father but that's understandable in that situation) is it because she didn't want to be near Kenny? If she never cared than why smile at her?
Yes I think we can agree on who knows who was looking after Clem all the time when everyone was out hunting and that with Kenny that we can persuede him to follow us but there is no excuse for that behavior here to because Clem could die.
Yes she made bad decisions and shooting someone in cold blood was wrong but it wasn't untill her father died (smashed his head in by Kenny o… morer you and Kenny) infront of her eyes that she became more unstable, she had to sleep in the same building for weeks with the guy/guy's who dropped the saltlick on her father's head and there was nothing after that she could do about it GOD her father's brain was spilled over her.
Her father in her eyes might have been the only relative she knew was alive fully being aware that the man who basicly raised her into existence could get a heart attack at any day.
At the end of the day she made the shot YES but we understand how, why and what let to it, am I excusing her killing Doug/Carley NO but I understand what was going through her head.
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Okay so she suffered a trauma (like literally everyone else) like 8 years ago. Now she is kidnapping kids and turning them into soldiers. There's no excuses for Lilly. She is a bad person and any claim that she values justice and selflessness are completely disproven by this point in time.
...well. you have a right to your opinion even if it's the wrong one. do y'all just not understand that she was literally mentally ill? she … moresuffered a trauma and then she had a mental breakdown, of course that's gonna make her act irrational and unstable. we know from the interactions we had with her when she was clear-headed that she was an individual that valued justice and selflessness, but she wasn't perfect. she was against stealing food from the stranger's car and she also acts appalled if you let the woman at the beginning of ep 3 act as distraction for the walkers.
Lily fans are about to be worse than Kenny cultists, which I never thought was possible.
There’s a big difference between Kenny and Lilly fans, trust me
Lily fans are about to be worse than Kenny cultists, which I never thought was possible.
There’s a big difference between Kenny and Lilly fans, trust me
I see that they let you back on the board.
I see your eyes work properly
You cared enough to reply
I didn't care enou… moregh not to reply.
you can't have a rational discussion, instead you act immature by being obnoxious in an attempt to start trouble.
I can definitely have rational discussions, just not with the likes of you.
I'm not trying to excuse her that's what I said. I simply understand where she is coming from, beside the every person is different argument, she never felt appreciated for what she did because of all the arguments against her and being under constant stress of her father's well being.
She started losing it after her father died, does it make it oke to point fingers at people NO.
Her grief didn't take away her ability to know right from wrong. She didn't seem to feel guilty for what she did, even 8 years later she didn't seem to regret it.
No she is not the same person from S1 the Lilly we see now joined a group of people that will attack and kidnap children by force if they have to, she joined a raiders group that she clearly would have disagreed with in S1
Lilly in S1 didn't give a shit about anyone, her murder & betrayal clearly proves this.
she didn't even want to steal food from a strangers car in EP2 unlike the Lilly from S4 who wouldn't mind that.
She had no problem stealing the RV an episode later, if she didn't mind then, she certainly wouldn't mind now.
I'm not saying she looked scared but God knows what they will do to her, they would deal with it later and for all Lilly knew they would tie her up to a tree for Walkers to feast on.
They wouldn't leave her out in the open, the idea of them killing her is farfetched, I'm sure Lilly knew that deep down they didn't have it in them to kill her after letting her back on and used this to take advantage of them.
That could be she probably didn't need it herself but if she didn't care than why not just throw it away?
Maybe she was obligated to be nice after all she was in charge like the St Johns making her a swing because she was a guest. It's not like hair thingies were some valuable resource.
Why bother looking/staying with Clem after her father died?
Well she didn't have anywhere to go, Lee wanted Clem to stay behind and Lilly was going nowhere. Not like Lilly protected her from danger, she watched her for 5 minutes
if she was a total bitch than why does she try to kill the man in the farm that tries to kill Lee after her father died (Yes she won't do it if you kill her father but that's understandable in that situation) is it because she didn't want to be near Kenny?
Maybe because the man is the reason her dad is dead.
If she never cared than why smile at her?
As someone here pointed out, she was smiling at her dad. Even if she was smiling at Clem, it means nothing, you pass by strangers and they smile, does it mean they care about you? no. You're reading way too much into a facial expression which doesn't mean anything, the St Johns were full of smiles. As I pointed out, smiling means nothing if she had the heart to abandon her.
Yes I think we can agree on who knows who was looking after Clem all the time when everyone was out hunting and that with Kenny that we can persuede him to follow us but there is no excuse for that behavior here to because Clem could die.
If you're talking about Kenny in E4, yes he was an ass, there is no excuse for it but you can get him to change his mind, the same cannot be said for Lilly.
I'm not trying to excuse her that's what I said. I simply understand where she is coming from, beside the every person is different argument… more, she never felt appreciated for what she did because of all the arguments against her and being under constant stress of her father's well being.
She started losing it after her father died, does it make it oke to point fingers at people NO.
No she is not the same person from S1 the Lilly we see now joined a group of people that will attack and kidnap children by force if they have to, she joined a raiders group that she clearly would have disagreed with in S1, she didn't even want to steal food from a strangers car in EP2 unlike the Lilly from S4 who wouldn't mind that.
I'm not saying she looked scared but God knows what they will do to her, they would deal with it later and for all Lilly knew they would tie her up to a tree for Walkers to feast on.
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I see your eyes work properly
I see you're still trolling.
I didn't care enough not to reply.
You're just embarrassi… moreng yourself.
I can definitely have rational discussions, just not with the likes of you.
You can't have rational discussions with anyone that disagrees with you.
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Lilly tried to kill Clem and failed. She easily killed Mitch because he ran to her.
She could've blown Clem's head off within seconds and kept on her yet she had conflicting feelings of the situation.
She also specifically instructed her crew to shoot Clementine if she moved yet after Clem attacked and killed one of her own men and nearly killed Abel, she still is conflicted to kill Clementine.
If Lily really wanted to kill Clementine, she could've done it before Louis or anyone could have stopped her.
IceRyder wasn’t wrong though. Hope you realise that now that we have seen Lilly for what she is
There’s a big difference between Kenny and Lilly fans, trust me
Dex you do nothing but cause trouble from what i have seen
When have I caused trouble? You're clearly blind, because people cause trouble with me
You reply to those who are Kenny fans especially and do what you can to upset them. That’s one example. I’d have to go back on your posts to check but i really havent got the time lol
And Jane/Lilly fans are ten times worse Dex...truth
WHAT?! ME?!?!!
Anytime someone says something in favor of Lily/Jane, @IceRyder is there to shun them. I know I'm not the only one too
Not strictly true. I have seen a few in the past where someone is in support of Kenny and had you start trash talking the character which as you know just causes arguments. When IceRyder gave his opinion on Lilly you replied with distaste
We don't go everywhere a Kenny fan shares their love for Kenny, and blast them will reasons why he's shit unless necessary. SOME PEOPLE do the opposite for Jane/Lily regardless.....
Haha Kenny is awesome, Jane and Lilly are fucking dickheads. That ok with you?
Of course not. But no Jane/Lily fan like myself has ever said anything such as that.
Ah but you just called Kenny fans retards or did that slip your mind? That’s why Lilly/Jane fans are just as bad as some Kenny fans. It’s true
We aren't as bad as anything. It's Kenny's fans that have problems, not us.
Nope, that’s not true at all Dex. If you were around in 2014 when this board was chaotic you’d see that Jane/Lilly fans were just as bad if not worse.
The fact you started this little back and forth convo with me over it proves Kenny fans are worse.
?? sure throw it back on me. That’s a classic Lilly/Jane response. Have a nice day Dex lol
Thank you! I'll make sure I do
Those were the dark ages.
Same! I’ll be thinking about how much Jane and Lilly suck ? bye
Oh they were indeed
It's no secret that I like Lilly's character but she was far from being the greatest person or even holy to hang around with from the Moter in group.
Yes she made bad decisions and shooting someone in cold blood was wrong but it wasn't untill her father died (smashed his head in by Kenny or you and Kenny) infront of her eyes that she became more unstable, she had to sleep in the same building for weeks with the guy/guy's who dropped the saltlick on her father's head and there was nothing after that she could do about it GOD her father's brain was spilled over her.
Her father in her eyes might have been the only relative she knew was alive fully being aware that the man who basicly raised her into existence could get a heart attack at any day.
At the end of the day she made the shot YES but we understand how, why and what let to it, am I excusing her killing Doug/Carley NO but I understand what was going through her head.
She stole the RV because God knows she didn't knew what they would do to her.
You say Lilly never cared for her but why would she than give Clementine hair thingies or even bother looking after her for a few minutes or look out for her when everyone else was out there hunting and searching for food.
Lilly from S1 is very different from Lilly in TFS because she now joined basicly joined a group of raiders/bandits and attack Clementine and her school.
Speaking about bullshit choices while this is a different situation but Kenny as far as I remember on my playthrough didn't want to help me find Clem in S1 EP5 even though I helped him alot.
I shun them? All I do is reply in a respectful manner, I don't attack them or insult them, I don't pick fights, I just express my views on a character whether I dislike them or not. You on the other hand, insulted fans of a character you dislike, instead of having anything constructive to say, you just try to rile them up like you attempted to do with me, you even threatened to have me banned because you couldn't handle what I was saying and couldn't counter argue. Don't criticise others when you yourself are no different, don't act like a victim when you say others cause trouble with you when it's the opposite.
I'm aware about the tragedy she endured but you can't excuse grief as a reason for her behavior, so many people suffered tragedy worst than her. We understand she was grieving but why take it out on people that did nothing to her? this is where she gets hate, 8 years later, she's still the same hostile bitch that she was in Season 1.
This is the same group that let her back on after she committed cold-blooded murder and she took advantage of them. She didn't look scared. Lilly didn't exactly say she was scared for her life in STC.
She probably didn't need the hair thingies herself, she just watched her for 5 minutes and you can't give her all the credit for watching Clem when everybody was out hunting, who knows, Katjaa or Carley could've been watching her. Like I said in my main thread, all that minor stuff is meaningless when she had the heart to abandon her out on in the middle of nowhere.
Not exactly, she's still the same selfish, bullying, hostile, cold-hearted bitch she was in Season 1.
Kenny was a dick, no denying that but even after he said that, he said he was willing to wait for you. Besides, you can change his mind and get him to come, could you change Lilly's mind about anything? no.
She **tried ** to blow Clems head off. Yeah she hesitated but she was gonna pull the trigger one way or another. You're probably gonna say if I made the choice of saying we're family (which is BS in my opinion) then she won't shoot but she would shoot Clem if you pick the other two choices, either way, she was willing to kill Clem, an unarmed teenager over an attitude after attacking her home. Let's recap what she did in the episode, she tried to kill Clem multiple times, taunted her by bringing Lee even going as far as saying that he should've left Clem, her right-hand man shot AJ by her order, threatened to kidnap AJ, attacked her home and you're still convinced she cared about Clem because she hesitated?
If anything saying the BS melodramatic "we were family" option only prolonged a couple more seconds of fake sympathy. It didn't somehow change Lily's outlook or her mission plan. She's a raider you guys.
"Oh wow Clem you're right now I'm going to stop kidnapping children, and I totally don't want to kill you anymore!"
lol.
Because you have to remind him about family, the one thing most important to him. We know he can be a jackass who doesn’t things through but when he does or someone reminds him, he goes with you. It really falls down to the not killing Larry choice. If Lee chooses not to help keep everyone safe in the meat locked, that’s why Kenny has a huge distaste for Lee from that moment basically
She's not wrong in her statement of Lee, Clementine and AJ.
Had Lee not assumed responsibility of her, he could possibly still be alive. And Lily's statement of AJ being Clementine's demise isn't false either.
If she truly had no attachment or consideration of Clementine, she should've and would've shot Clementine without second thought. After Clementine had severely wounded one of Lily's comrades and killed another one, Lily did have reason to kill Clementine on sight.
Its also important to remember that Clementine prompted Lily and Abel to attack them after either telling Violet to attack her or attacking Lily herself. Lily also offered to bring Clem and AJ into her camp and was wanting to persuade them into coming with them rather than attacking (as revealed by Abel during the attack)
You wouldn't have been able tell, but I really didn't care enough to argue over it with you since everything comes back to Kenny in some way.
I see that they let you back on the board. You cared enough to reply and considering at that point we were discussing Kenny & Jane when you threatened to get me banned, that is the thing with you, you can't have a rational discussion, instead you act immature by being obnoxious in an attempt to start trouble.
And you're still convinced Lilly cared for Clem after that statement of hers stating that caring would get you killed? she disrespected Lee whether he was nice to her or not to Clem who she apparently cares for. Reunited after 8 years and she says that. And not to mention, Clem took care of AJ for 5 years and she's still around but that statement sums her up to be a cold-hearted bitch she really is.
I already said that Lilly tried to kill Clem, she tried to kill her multiple times in the episode but failed and you think because she hesitated(even though she does pull the trigger) that she didn't want to kill her despite shooting at her?
Only because Lilly & Abel held her against her will and was hurting AJ, it's not like Clem did it for no reason.
Only in exchange for Clem to betray and sell out her friends, she didn't offer Clem a safe haven out of the bottom of her heart.
I see your eyes work properly
I didn't care enough not to reply.
I can definitely have rational discussions, just not with the likes of you.
I'm not trying to excuse her that's what I said. I simply understand where she is coming from, beside the every person is different argument, she never felt appreciated for what she did because of all the arguments against her and being under constant stress of her father's well being.
She started losing it after her father died, does it make it oke to point fingers at people NO.
No she is not the same person from S1 the Lilly we see now joined a group of people that will attack and kidnap children by force if they have to, she joined a raiders group that she clearly would have disagreed with in S1, she didn't even want to steal food from a strangers car in EP2 unlike the Lilly from S4 who wouldn't mind that.
I'm not saying she looked scared but God knows what they will do to her, they would deal with it later and for all Lilly knew they would tie her up to a tree for Walkers to feast on.
She probably didn't need the hair thingies herself, she just watched her for 5 minutes and you can't give her all the credit for watching Clem when everybody was out hunting, who knows, Katjaa or Carley could've been watching her. Like I said in my main thread, all that minor stuff is meaningless when she had the heart to abandon her out on in the middle of nowhere.
That could be she probably didn't need it herself but if she didn't care than why not just throw it away? Why bother looking/staying with Clem after her father died? if she was a total bitch than why does she try to kill the man in the farm that tries to kill Lee after her father died (Yes she won't do it if you kill her father but that's understandable in that situation) is it because she didn't want to be near Kenny? If she never cared than why smile at her?
Yes I think we can agree on who knows who was looking after Clem all the time when everyone was out hunting and that with Kenny that we can persuede him to follow us but there is no excuse for that behavior here to because Clem could die.
Okay so she suffered a trauma (like literally everyone else) like 8 years ago. Now she is kidnapping kids and turning them into soldiers. There's no excuses for Lilly. She is a bad person and any claim that she values justice and selflessness are completely disproven by this point in time.
Am I the only Kenny fan out there that loves Lilly?
I'm a fan of both
I see you're still trolling.
You're just embarrassing yourself.
You can't have rational discussions with anyone that disagrees with you.
Her grief didn't take away her ability to know right from wrong. She didn't seem to feel guilty for what she did, even 8 years later she didn't seem to regret it.
Lilly in S1 didn't give a shit about anyone, her murder & betrayal clearly proves this.
She had no problem stealing the RV an episode later, if she didn't mind then, she certainly wouldn't mind now.
They wouldn't leave her out in the open, the idea of them killing her is farfetched, I'm sure Lilly knew that deep down they didn't have it in them to kill her after letting her back on and used this to take advantage of them.
Maybe she was obligated to be nice after all she was in charge like the St Johns making her a swing because she was a guest. It's not like hair thingies were some valuable resource.
Well she didn't have anywhere to go, Lee wanted Clem to stay behind and Lilly was going nowhere. Not like Lilly protected her from danger, she watched her for 5 minutes
Maybe because the man is the reason her dad is dead.
As someone here pointed out, she was smiling at her dad. Even if she was smiling at Clem, it means nothing, you pass by strangers and they smile, does it mean they care about you? no. You're reading way too much into a facial expression which doesn't mean anything, the St Johns were full of smiles. As I pointed out, smiling means nothing if she had the heart to abandon her.
If you're talking about Kenny in E4, yes he was an ass, there is no excuse for it but you can get him to change his mind, the same cannot be said for Lilly.
Oh no, I'm ruining my image on a dying forum! My life is officially over!
I do it all the time.
Also, this is the last time i'm replying. this isn't entertaining anymore.