What characters do you think should have been minor instead of major?

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  • Minor - Jane. Only created for the sake of "hate kenny, you should hate kenny wah wah wah" you can tell she was supposed to be a minor character but they switch the ending around to make her fight Kenny. Jane is so boring.

    Major - Brody :(

  • if his sister hadn’t been shot you don’t know if he would have went along with trying to kill the others.

    ...Wait, you mean his group ....?

    It doesn’t matter. He was part of the group, if his sister hadn’t been shot you don’t know if he would have went along with trying to kill t

  • I think the fact that there were apparently people talking about her in her debut, on top of the Cabin Group's general reception being kinda mixed back then had a more to do with it at first.

    Brody definitely could've been a bigger character.

    ZombieKenny posted: »

    Minor - Jane. Only created for the sake of "hate kenny, you should hate kenny wah wah wah" you can tell she was supposed to be a minor character but they switch the ending around to make her fight Kenny. Jane is so boring. Major - Brody

  • No. I’ll rephrase what i said:

    If his sister hadn’t been shot you don’t know if Arvo would have went along with his Russian pals in trying to kill Clem’s group.

    It’s like Kenny said, just because he didn’t have a gun doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have

    DabigRG posted: »

    if his sister hadn’t been shot you don’t know if he would have went along with trying to kill the others. ...Wait, you mean his group ....?

  • This is, beautiful.

    Major: Clementine ANF

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    S1 Major: Doug
    S1 Minor: Ben

    S2 Major: William Carver, Pete
    S2 Minor: Bonnie, Jane

    S3 Major: Clementine, Mariana Garcia
    S3 Minor: Gabriel Garcia, Kate

    S4 Major: Aasim
    S4 Minor: Louis

  • Considering they only tried to outright kill them after Clementine/Kenny shot Rebecca's walker, I kinda doubt he'd even have let it get that far. Given that he wasn't exactly down with robbing them back, nevermind trying to call Buricko off completely once he realized they had a baby.

    No. I’ll rephrase what i said: If his sister hadn’t been shot you don’t know if Arvo would have went along with his Russian pals in tryin

  • Once again, without translating the language we did not know if he wanted to be involved or not. Maybe he didn’t. But the game did not make that clear enough so the point is, if a group of guys had guns pointed at me and my group, they’re all going down even if Arvo didn’t have a gun. To me he is a threat and that is why Kenny was the only sensible one to realise this and to continue to be cautious about him

    DabigRG posted: »

    Considering they only tried to outright kill them after Clementine/Kenny shot Rebecca's walker, I kinda doubt he'd even have let it get that

  • Would change the stories a bit...but good list.

    DabigRG posted: »

    I literally just realized that the OP says it can be the other way around as well. In that case, Minor: Kenny, Nick(kinda), Jane, David

  • Season 1
    Minor: No one...solid
    Major: Jolene and Chuck

    Season 2
    Minor: Kenny
    Major: Sarah and Carlos and Carver Becca and Shel

    ANF
    Minor: Gabe
    Major: Clementine, Kate, Joan, Ava, Max

    TFS(so far)
    Minor: None
    Major: Brody, Ruby, Mitch and Assim

  • I think Aasim and Mitch should have been major characters. They're pretty neat.

    Also Eddie should have had a bigger role in the series, and shown up in season 2.

  • The game has clear lines, inflections, and animations that get that across even without the translations, which mainly just serve to clarify exactly what's coming out of their mouths and what less obvious train of thoughts are.

    Once again, without translating the language we did not know if he wanted to be involved or not. Maybe he didn’t. But the game did not make

  • A bit, eh?

    Would change the stories a bit...but good list.

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    You can disagree all you want but nothing tells me otherwise. If his sister hadn’t been shot he very well would have most likely joined in the fight even if it were reluctantly, he would still probably be more loyal to his fellow ruskies. His sister already had a gun too. When Jane threatens him whether you steal or not, she is the result of why they show up in the first place...fact. Point is, and I’ll copy and paste the last paragraph again:

    If a group of guys had guns pointed at me and my group, they’re all going down even if Arvo didn’t have a gun. To me he is a threat and that is why Kenny was the only sensible one to realise this and to continue to be cautious about him

    DabigRG posted: »

    The game has clear lines, inflections, and animations that get that across even without the translations, which mainly just serve to clarify exactly what's coming out of their mouths and what less obvious train of thoughts are.

  • Fair enough, I guess.

    To me he is a threat and that is why Kenny was the only sensible one to realise this and to continue to be cautious about him

    I mean, there's being cautious and then there's aggravating the hell out of an unusually docile venom snake.

    Kenny clearly doesn't know how to do one.

    You can disagree all you want but nothing tells me otherwise. If his sister hadn’t been shot he very well would have most likely joined in t

  • Um? Ok?

    DabigRG posted: »

    Fair enough, I guess. To me he is a threat and that is why Kenny was the only sensible one to realise this and to continue to be cauti

  • Minor: S2 Kenny (should have stayed dead tbh), Jane
    Major: Vince, Eddie, Pete, Ava, Rosie, Sam

  • No I honestly see Arvo as a kid who would want to stand up and be strong but would fail miserably and so he just falls into somewhere inbetween. He's not a force to be reckoned with and if his sister wasn't shot I don't think he would've shot anyone else, just sat as guns were fired.

    You can disagree all you want but nothing tells me otherwise. If his sister hadn’t been shot he very well would have most likely joined in t

  • Same.

    Ghetsis posted: »

    No I honestly see Arvo as a kid who would want to stand up and be strong but would fail miserably and so he just falls into somewhere inbetw

  • I didn’t say he would be a force to be reckoned with. I know he would be useless but it doesn’t change the fact that he would have still tried to fight alongside his sister if she hadn’t been shot in my view.

    Like i said, pretty sure he has more loyalty to his fellow Russians than the group they were attacking. In a realistic circumstance, you wouldn’t trust someone who was involved with people trying to kill you.

    Ghetsis posted: »

    No I honestly see Arvo as a kid who would want to stand up and be strong but would fail miserably and so he just falls into somewhere inbetw

  • I forgot to mention this, but did you notice his sister also arguing with everyone to back down when things were getting out of hand?

    I didn’t say he would be a force to be reckoned with. I know he would be useless but it doesn’t change the fact that he would have still tri

  • edited October 2018

    I’ll say it again, if there weren’t people who translated what they had said how were we to know what she said? The body language you claimed did not tell me that she wanted to back down. I am treating this situation as if you or me were in that position having guns pointed at us. If that ever happened it wouldn’t matter if one or the other wanted to back off, they still showed up, still layed down their demands and went along with it to that point. See what i am saying? It’s not enough for me unless the game had made it crystal clear about Arvo and his sister which it did not. Sorry, i don’t know what more to say for you to understand my view

    DabigRG posted: »

    I forgot to mention this, but did you notice his sister also arguing with everyone to back down when things were getting out of hand?

  • By listening closely during the arguing and hearing her shouting at everyone to stop being stupid before someone gets killed in English.
    Which is admittedly difficult to do if you're not actually listening to what everyone is saying, but it's there.

    I’ll say it again, if there weren’t people who translated what they had said how were we to know what she said? The body language you claime

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    That stupid ass Russian gang

  • I take it you mean they'd be more significant and get actual story?

    12494 posted: »

    That stupid ass Russian gang

  • A whole ass Russian gang in the middle of Tennessee was so random. Maybe not minor and just removed from the story completely.

    DabigRG posted: »

    I take it you mean they'd be more significant and get actual story?

  • What a load of bullshit. I just reviewed the scene and Natasha did not speak in English at all during the argument. I hear Bonnie being the only female talking. There is no evidence you’re claiming at all! I even checked out the voice data files from the speech extractor program i have which lists Natasha’s name as Maud and none of what she said was in English. The game files don’t lie.

    Once again i’ll copy and paste what i originally said:

    If there weren’t people who translated what they had said how were we to know what she said? The body language you claimed did not tell me that she wanted to back down. I am treating this situation as if you or me were in that position having guns pointed at us. If that ever happened it wouldn’t matter if one or the other wanted to back off, they still showed up, still layed down their demands and went along with it to that point. See what i am saying? It’s not enough for me unless the game had made it crystal clear about Arvo and his sister which it did not. Sorry, i don’t know what more to say for you to understand my view

    DabigRG posted: »

    By listening closely during the arguing and hearing her shouting at everyone to stop being stupid before someone gets killed in English. Which is admittedly difficult to do if you're not actually listening to what everyone is saying, but it's there.

  • It think it was either back in North Carolina or more likely Virginia, but yeah, they are kinda left field.
    All the reason why it's a shame they didn't do more.

    12494 posted: »

    A whole ass Russian gang in the middle of Tennessee was so random. Maybe not minor and just removed from the story completely.

  • edited October 2018

    I'm gonna go ahead and say stop repeating what you said because I'm frankly not reading them at this point. I saw it before and just had nothing to say on it.

    Anyway, here's one of two videos with it-- this one within the game, the other without. Pay attention when Bonnie is visible and listen to what all is being said. I can type out what's being said once I get my hands on it again.

    If you are really able to see the files of the game yourself, though, then it'd confirm my theory that it really was a holdover from before they recorded the actual Russian dialogue and they just put it in that scene anyway.

    EDIT: So here's a collecgtion of voice clips in general that I didn't was up. If the share doesn't work, then skip to 2:44.

    What a load of bullshit. I just reviewed the scene and Natasha did not speak in English at all during the argument. I hear Bonnie being the

  • edited October 2018

    For fucks sake man, Natasha does NOT speak in English during that scene and i was listening very closely. How the fuck can you say you could hear her? It is bullshit what you’re saying! Unless you can find an isolated file of her saying the exact thing you claim then i am not having any of that crap. I already told you that in the game files there is no such line in English that you claim she says. I already told you more than once that when playing the game we are not to know what the hell they are saying and have to take it for what it is. She may very well have said that in her language, i am not denying that but we as players of the game were not given that information to know or understand what she said.

    Jesus Christ! I can’t be any clearer about what i am trying to get you to understand.

    Edit just realised that last video was a set of unused lines. That is not canon in the game so i dont know why you are using that in your defence.

  • I don't know what to tell you man.
    If you really can't hear it, then there's but one other thing I can do from my end: to specify where to listen. As I said, it begins after Clementine looks at her gun, specifically at the same time Bonnie reappears on screen.

    As an extra tip, you hear her more clearly after Rebecca's Walker is shot, as most of the other characters cease speaking at that point.

    For fucks sake man, Natasha does NOT speak in English during that scene and i was listening very closely. How the fuck can you say you could

  • Best we drop this subject because i think we can both agree it is growing tiresome and going nowhere

    DabigRG posted: »

    I'm gonna go ahead and say stop repeating what you said because I'm frankly not reading them at this point. I saw it before and just had not

  • edited October 2018

    There is so much being said you cannot seriously tell me you can hear NATASHA saying something in English when it was most likely Bonnie. Im sorry man i cannot hear it so I don’t believe it. Find me an isolated file of it. I think you just think you can hear her say it to be honest. Even if this were true, listening carefully you would have to be ridiculously sound with your hearing

    Edit after Rebecca is shot i hear “hey you don’t point that thing” and that at best is what i hear but that is not Natasha nor are we meant to believe that it is and nor does it imply that she was telling the Russians to stop

    DabigRG posted: »

    I don't know what to tell you man. If you really can't hear it, then there's but one other thing I can do from my end: to specify where to

  • edited October 2018

    Considering the two are talking at about the same time, that'd be one heck of an error.
    Maybe it'd be clearer if I picked a video where they waited a while before shooting.

    Ah well. I'm not a gamedelver myself, so I'm personally not able to look.

    EDIT: Actually, now that I recall what you said, are you able access all/most of the Russians clips in the file(s)?

    Even if this were true, listening carefully you would have to be ridiculously sound with your hearing

    That's fair.
    I didn't realize that it was technically used there until I was rewatching that scene/episode at some point and just happened to recognize it.

    There is so much being said you cannot seriously tell me you can hear NATASHA saying something in English when it was most likely Bonnie. Im

  • Yes, if you download Telltale speech extractor and open the voice.tarch file (something like that file name), you can find the Russians voices. Natasha is named Maud for some reason and only has a few lines, none saying the English line that you claimed. So i have no idea why this line you claimed is in the game or if it is definitive proof that it is even said by Natasha. I don’t have enough to go on which is why if i heard an isolated file then great

    DabigRG posted: »

    Considering the two are talking at about the same time, that'd be one heck of an error. Maybe it'd be clearer if I picked a video where the

  • Oh, so it's essentially just one file with labels?

    Yes, if you download Telltale speech extractor and open the voice.tarch file (something like that file name), you can find the Russians voic

  • Since this is a thread that's mostly statements about promoting/demoting characters, I guess it wouldn't hurt to link this for anyone who's interested.

  • Its a useful program. It has every single voice from Season 1 and 2 including the unused audio. I am trying to believe your claim but there really isn’t anything Natasha says in English with the line you say she said and no matter how many times I listened to the shootout scene, i cannot hear anything and god knows how you could have. That’s why i find it very hard to believe.

    DabigRG posted: »

    Oh, so it's essentially just one file with labels?

  • That's a neat program, but I was asking more about how the files themselves are arranged. Are they sequestered in individual folders for each character or does the program just collect all the file?

    I am trying to believe your claim but there really isn’t anything Natasha says in English with the line you say she said and no matter how many times I listened to the shootout scene, i cannot hear anything and god knows how you could have. That’s why i find it very hard to believe.

    Considering her line (as well as Buricko's) from that second video was accessible/present for it to collect at all(alongside lines that are used in the game), it's probably somewhere else in the files under a different name.

    Or maybe it's just hardwired into the scene itself from before they got the uncredited Russian-speaking voice actors and they didn't have time to remove it.

    Its a useful program. It has every single voice from Season 1 and 2 including the unused audio. I am trying to believe your claim but there

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