Why does AJ threaten Clem in ep.2?
If you tell him he can't kill Abel and say no to rock paper siccors, he mutters.
AJ: You won't always be able to tell me no.
Clem: What did you just say?(sounding pissed)
AJ: Nothing
If AJ grows to resent you over your choices and pulls an Atreus and shoots you out of anger I'm gonna be fucking pissed.
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WOOH! Hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo...!
That's not really a threat as much as it is him just being mad. Kids do stuff like that many times to their parents.
God bless everyone.
Well he hasn't gotten punished yet, nobody has any authority over AJ and even his sympathizers glorify anything he does. He might as well have just punched Clem right in the mouth and said "You're my bitch, and I make the rules". It's essentially the same. He's way, WAY out of line with this statement. And even if he hushed because she got mad, it's only because just as he said. "You won't always be able to" He's scared now because she's bigger and he can't fair the world without her. But when he's grown, armed, strong, fierce. He'll just kill Clem. He'll kill everyone. He's got the carver seed in his DNA.
He's sociopathic clinically and has no remorse or depth of preception of precieving human pain, life and death or the value of a human soul. He lusts for blood and the euphoric feeling of killing a man and it's damn damn scary. He's way out of line with this sentence and it's probably the creepiest moment i've seen in TWD.
I hope they save him. I'm scared of him currently.
Hmm...I wonder what that sounds like?
Uh, no.
I've noticed that a decent amount of people look at this line as well as the scene where AJ fought over Tenn's toy and immidietely overreact by jumping the gun and saying "OH MY GOD HE'S A SOCIOPATH!" If you're going by that logic everybody's a sociopath. Everyone has fought over possessions and have rejected/shown reluctance to authority at some point in their life especially during their child and adolescent years.
All in all AJ is a pretty obedient kid he does pretty much everything Clementine tells him but like every kid he has his flaws and moments of protest. He isn't a Gary Stu.
That... doesn't sound all that threatening. Hell, Clementine has a similar line with Lee on train about her parents.
"You can't tell me what to do."
And he's right. Every kid is gonna grow up and rebel against the authority of their parents at some point. It happens with every child.
Hell, AJ is pretty well-adjusted all things considered, and way more mature and capable than I would be in that situation, at his age.
You're not wrong but they way he said it, rough and serious, it just rubbed me the wrong way. I'm just hoping that he doesn't let his emotions control him. No disrespect for Kenny, but he was controlled by emotion and did a lot of bad shit when he lost control. Ex. Killing Carver and Jane.
Maybe. I'd have to hear the line myself to really get what you mean, but I can't see AJ doing anything to hurt Clem, like at all. Hell, he's more likely to get himself in trouble being overprotective, not dangerous.
Is there a shred of Carver in AJ somewhere?
Try looking it up if you can. But he didn't sound upset or angry. He said so casually, kinda sounded menacing. "You won't always be able to tell me no." The way he said pissed Clem off pretty good. "What did you just say?" With a mad look on her face.
Just a couple of averse or edgy cavilers scrounging for something to incite with.
Ok, I heard it, and it still didn't sound that bad. Yes, AJ is definitely serious, but I didn't get menacing from that. And I've seen Clem more "pissed off" than that.
Her "What did you say?" seemed like a familiar "What did you just say to me, young man?" response from an indignant mother if their child suddenly swears or talks back in an offensive manner.
I'm still not getting a, "I will kill you if try to tell me what to do" vibe from him, but more of a Kenny "I'm gonna do what I want at some point with or without your approval" vibe.
And Kenny only snapped and killed Jane because of her little game with hiding AJ and making Kenny believe he was dead.
Don't bother with him. He's one of the guys who says
Um, I know. That's why I disapproved of that part.
Here's what people don't get: People like Sarah, and even how Clementine used to be before Lee trained her, die early in the zombie apocalypse.
AJ is still alive because he can get straight to the point and already knows how to pull the trigger. He already has muscle memory if someone sneaks up behind him, and him automatically elbowing Marlon or biting Broly is something a lot of people trained in armed force or martial arts deal with too. They're not insane or sociopathic. This is about survival.
What's strange is how at ease the other kids are, while AJ is appropriately cautious and ruthless (relatively). He hides under the bed so a walker can't grab him easily, he looks for exits and checks the window,s places to hide, can grab any improvised weapon in a pinch - that's the kind of a person who's gonna survive all this shit.
Remember what Carley initially said to Lee: "Even if you are a killer, I don't really care. That's a skill that can come in handy."
And nobody gives Lee nearly as much shit.
He's guna be the cause of clems demise I'm sure of it....kid got no mercy.
yeah i saw
yikes
im never having kids
I honestly feel like some of you guys forget what being a kid is all about. You back talk, you throw tantrums, you don't listen, you lie to get your way and/or get out of trouble, you misinterpret rules, you can't wait to grow up, being totally ignorant to what the phrase "growing up" really means. That's why you have to teach him. He's not a sociopath in the making just cause he basically told Clem "You can't tell me what to do!"
That said, me growing up in a Carribean household would've been asking for death by Mother's God Hand or Father's Devil Belt if I said that shit. Compared to that, AJ got off easy. Real easy.
Kid’s lucky he was still recovering from a bullet wound or I would’ve pimp slapped him
I don't think it was a threat. I saw it more like a "one day I'll be able to do whatever I want" statement, like many kids make when they're mad they didn't get to do what they wanted to.
most kids don't carry around a gun and shoot people in the head.
Yeah. It's like everybody expects a kid to act like sweet little morality pet Clementine in Season One, otherwise they're a sociopath.
And as I said before, Clementine also disobeyed Lee and told him "you can't tell me what to do" after he taught her how to use a gun, yet no one thought she was gonna go crazy and kill Lee. At least not before he got bitten anyway.
aj didn't say that to my clem but if he did its not gonna slide i am not a patient person.
That’s not how it works bud.
I choose that line too, and I did kinda scared of him. Not that I hate him, it's just my Clem is cold blood already, I really curious how she taught him and how he'll turn out to be....
I really hated how my Clem had just told him to never think of killing as a sport or something to get off to, but immediately after he just goes off and asks if we could "rock, paper, scissors" to get "dibs" on who kills Abel. Then also adds that he's not being "casual" about it...? To me that was the most disturbing and frustrating part of the scene. Can't tell if it's intentional from the writer's part to have AJ not actually take Clem's advice to heart and still showing no signs of understanding the gravity of killing, or if they just couldn't be bothered removing the rock, paper, scissors conversation should you chose that option.
All in all the "you won't always be able to tell me what to do" is just a kid being a brat after being denied something they want. It's nothing unusual. What is unusual and concerning is a kid looking forward to killing and how fickle he comes off when actually believing in Clem's lessons, not just from that scene, but from even earlier in the episode.
When did Atreus ever shoot Kratos out of anger btw?
I think it was when Baldur came back and kept baiting Atreus into attacking him.
When he wanted to fight Baldur and Kratod said no. It's towards the end of the game
most people don't grow up in a zombie apocalypse.
You know, which is fictional.
Looks like Clem made a shit ton of mistakes while raising that little shit. If only Louis was there since the beginning then we wouldn't have that problem.
^Yea, AJ probably would've gotten bitten a long time ago trying to play zombie piñata or something else equally stupid
On topic, I couldn't help but see the people thinking a kid being upset that he's being told what to do makes him a sociopath without hoping they don't intend to drown any kid they hear acting like that for the good of society. Or are allowed around any kids lol.
I can actually get that complaint, especially if Clementine told him he had to atone for what he did to Marlon and that if you kill someone when they're no longer a threat to you, that's murder.
But I honestly think AJ was acting out the way he did because Clementine correctly pegged that Abel scared him, so to deal with that fear, he kinda hyped himself up by saying, "I'm gonna kill that bastard!"
Once again, I get Kenny flashbacks from that. He threatened to kill Ben when he told him about giving supplies to the bandits and getting his son and wife killed, yet didn't do anything to him when the time came.
AJ also does not actually try to kill Abel when the time comes. Yeah, you'll get an extra scene of him beating up Abel some more with a stick and crying "Dibs!" but he doesn't go for the killing blow at all.
Ah yes, I was trying to figure out why it didn't bother me and I think you just gave a sound reason for it.
Thanks.
Pssh, they just knew that no sane human being would turn down a game of rock paper scissors. A real man's game. Life's great equalizer.
for now.
"You only adopted the Walker Age... I was born in it, molded by it."