I honestly think this would be too far. If he can condemn Lee for killing a man for banging his woman, Lilly murdering kids would kill him. Murdering Carley would be bad too. Doug was an accident, shooting the actual criminal..but that...was outright murder. Though on some level he might justify the season 1 kill...this Lilly...he'd wonder where is baby girl is. Why she has gone off the deep end.
I honestly think this would be too far. If he can condemn Lee for killing a man for banging his woman, Lilly murdering kids would kill him.… more Murdering Carley would be bad too. Doug was an accident, shooting the actual criminal..but that...was outright murder. Though on some level he might justify the season 1 kill...this Lilly...he'd wonder where is baby girl is. Why she has gone off the deep end.
Keep in mind the zombie apocalypse was still new. Larry didn't live long enough to learn the new world order...he just fell victim to it. He was perfectly willing to leave Lee to die...but not kill him himself. After all...there would be a chance for him to survive. It is not the same as point and shoot Carley or shanking kids.
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But essentially. Add in that he is a military man and the victim was a senator and yeah, Lee's actually a little lucky.
No, Kenny has referred to mere stereotypes relating to race. If he was a genuine racist he would not date or go near an Indian girl or a woman he married that had foreign relations (Katjaa).
Larry on the other hand made it certainly feel more believable that he was racist. His treatment of Lee was disgusting and far worse than anyone else, even after 3 months when he definitely should have got over his childish resentment towards Lee without ever seeing the other side of the story
I don’t even think he was passive about it. He just referred to stereotypes. An actual racist person wouldn’t have an Indian girlfriend or marry someone who had foreign relations (Katjaa).
Kenny was a passive racist. He didn't hate people because of their race, he just had some stereotypical views of people based on their race. Still racist, but not as bad as full on hate filled racism.
Again i disagree. There are a lot of ways to show someone is racist. Plus Lee believed he was and Clem can call Larry a racist in Season 4 so enough said. He is racist
Which Larry didn't have, his negative treatment of Lee was due to his knowledge that Lee was a murderer, he was still an ass but his actions were understandable and not fueled by racism.
Again i disagree. There are a lot of ways to show someone is racist. Plus Lee believed he was and Clem can call Larry a racist in Season 4 so enough said. He is racist
Because Lee and Clem lie about it? It’s not a lie if they believe something is true and i agree with them. Larry in my eyes was a racist
This again?
Larry was crotchety, loudmouthed old asshole(albeit one who was in the military and took his wife's death pretty hard) who was [now] habitually mean to everyone but Clementine and at least directly Lily. Lee being an actual criminal who killed a state official and potentially has eyes on his daughter just gave him legit reasons to hold a special grudge for him in particular. That's the point of his character.
Also note that if you tell Mark you believe it's he's racist, Larry subtly reacts as if that wasn't the simple.
No, Kenny has referred to mere stereotypes relating to race. If he was a genuine racist he would not date or go near an Indian girl or a wom… morean he married that had foreign relations (Katjaa).
Larry on the other hand made it certainly feel more believable that he was racist. His treatment of Lee was disgusting and far worse than anyone else, even after 3 months when he definitely should have got over his childish resentment towards Lee without ever seeing the other side of the story
Which is why I thought it was wrong of Lilly to say that they shouldn't kill her father, because he most likely would have turned after dying. I don't remember Lilly arguing with her father over whether to save Duck.
He doesn’t advocate for killing an unbitten Duck. He truly believed Duck was bitten. If you stay silent the situation winds down by itself. Katjaa just finishes cleaning him, finds no bite, and Larry apologizes.
Despite him being an asshole, he did seem to draw the line at some things, or have some sort of moral compass.
He was disgusted at what the St. Johns had been doing. Then again, he did advocate to try and kill an unbitten Duck.
Larry had 3 months to accept Lee and at least hear his side of the story about what happened but he didn’t give Lee that opportunity by the sounds of it.
Lee and Clem think he was racist and it was mentioned in the game so we have to go by what it says like it or not
Again i disagree. There are a lot of ways to show someone is racist. Plus Lee believed he was and Clem can call Larry a racist in Season 4 s… moreo enough said. He is racist
Because Lee and Clem lie about it? It’s not a lie if they believe something is true and i agree with them. Larry in my eyes was a racist
This again?
Larry was crotchety, loudmouthed old asshole(albeit one who was in the military and took his wife's death pretty hard) who was [now] habitually mean to everyone but Clementine and at least directly Lily. Lee being an actual criminal who killed a state official and potentially has eyes on his daughter just gave him legit reasons to hold a special grudge for him in particular. That's the point of his character.
Also note that if you tell Mark you believe it's he's racist, Larry subtly reacts as if that wasn't the simple.
Uh, you do realize that Lee was keeping his past a secret anyway, right?
Besides, that has little to do with the matter anyway.
Lee and Clem think he was racist and it was mentioned in the game so we have to go by what it says like it or not
Keyword there being "think." Again, I'm not sure why Clementeen would think that and/or if it's also determinant or not, but that means little beyond their own fallible opinion.
Larry had 3 months to accept Lee and at least hear his side of the story about what happened but he didn’t give Lee that opportunity by the … moresounds of it.
Lee and Clem think he was racist and it was mentioned in the game so we have to go by what it says like it or not
He’d be disappointed honestly. Larry was a rough, condescending and obnoxious person, but not an evil person. He wouldn't condone Lilly abducting children to fight her wars, much less murdering them. Larry was proud of the daughter he raised because she was a successful, tough woman and she really was. Now she's not.
It wouldn't surprise me if we used her memory of Larry to our advantage to somehow redeem her if that does end up being an option. Kind of like the "family" dialogue option before Louis/Violet trucks her like a linemen.
He’d be disappointed honestly. Larry was a rough, condescending and obnoxious person, but not an evil person. He wouldn't condone Lilly abdu… morecting children to fight her wars, much less murdering them. Larry was proud of the daughter he raised because she was a successful, tough woman and she really was. Now she's not.
It wouldn't surprise me if we used her memory of Larry to our advantage to somehow redeem her if that does end up being an option. Kind of like the "family" dialogue option before Louis/Violet trucks her like a linemen.
Uhh you do realise that Larry already knew about Lee’s past so Lee wasn’t keeping it a secret from him, only the group. There is no reason why Lee couldn’t have tried telling Larry his side or even to Lilly and maybe just maybe Larry wouldn’t have been as a big a piece of shit as he was.
As for the racist thing, you can argue or moan all you want, whether they “thought” it or not, it was included in the game and hinted that he was racist so that is that and we have to accept that view
Uh, you do realize that Lee was keeping his past a secret anyway, right?
Besides, that has little to do with the matter anyway.
Lee… more and Clem think he was racist and it was mentioned in the game so we have to go by what it says like it or not
Keyword there being "think." Again, I'm not sure why Clementeen would think that and/or if it's also determinant or not, but that means little beyond their own fallible opinion.
Except that telling Lily would be a considerable risk. And he clearly didn't anyway, but whatever.
Regardless, the baseline of Larry's character is to be a difficult person for Lee to deal with in the group and hanging the possibility of others knowing his past over his head is the most personal way to do that. And given what a hot-tempered, stubborn, and most importantly provocative asshole he generally is, I think it would've been more explicit if that was also part of the true intent.
As for the racist thing, you can argue or moan all you want, whether they “thought” it or not, it was included in the game and hinted that he was racist so that is that and we have to accept that view
No, we can CHOOSE to accept that interpretation if we really see it as necessary for the character to work. Many people simply don't.
Uhh you do realise that Larry already knew about Lee’s past so Lee wasn’t keeping it a secret from him, only the group. There is no reason w… morehy Lee couldn’t have tried telling Larry his side or even to Lilly and maybe just maybe Larry wouldn’t have been as a big a piece of shit as he was.
As for the racist thing, you can argue or moan all you want, whether they “thought” it or not, it was included in the game and hinted that he was racist so that is that and we have to accept that view
Uh no because Larry already tells Lilly anyway, Lee could have talked to both of them to set things straight. Things could have been very different.
And once again, it really doesn’t matter, you can choose to defend that piece of shit racist but the writers clearly gave other characters a belief that he was a racist so that is what we should go by. Now end of convo. Jeez I don’t even know why i bother coming to this forum anymore. It’s dead compared to the way it used to be
Except that telling Lily would be a considerable risk. And he clearly didn't anyway, but whatever.
Regardless, the baseline of Larry's char… moreacter is to be a difficult person for Lee to deal with in the group and hanging the possibility of others knowing his past over his head is the most personal way to do that. And given what a hot-tempered, stubborn, and most importantly provocative asshole he generally is, I think it would've been more explicit if that was also part of the true intent.
As for the racist thing, you can argue or moan all you want, whether they “thought” it or not, it was included in the game and hinted that he was racist so that is that and we have to accept that view
No, we can CHOOSE to accept that interpretation if we really see it as necessary for the character to work. Many people simply don't.
Uh no because Larry already tells Lilly anyway, Lee could have talked to both of them to set things straight. Things could have been very di… morefferent.
And once again, it really doesn’t matter, you can choose to defend that piece of shit racist but the writers clearly gave other characters a belief that he was a racist so that is what we should go by. Now end of convo. Jeez I don’t even know why i bother coming to this forum anymore. It’s dead compared to the way it used to be
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I honestly think this would be too far. If he can condemn Lee for killing a man for banging his woman, Lilly murdering kids would kill him. Murdering Carley would be bad too. Doug was an accident, shooting the actual criminal..but that...was outright murder. Though on some level he might justify the season 1 kill...this Lilly...he'd wonder where is baby girl is. Why she has gone off the deep end.
Larry would have keep her in check...he was an asshole but not a murdering asshole...and the lee thing it was only for protection and possibly racism
Now that you mention it, how much did Larry really know about Lee's crime?
I think all of it. I just don't think he cared about the why. He killed and he is near his Lilly. That was all he needed to know.
Keep in mind the zombie apocalypse was still new. Larry didn't live long enough to learn the new world order...he just fell victim to it. He was perfectly willing to leave Lee to die...but not kill him himself. After all...there would be a chance for him to survive. It is not the same as point and shoot Carley or shanking kids.
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But essentially. Add in that he is a military man and the victim was a senator and yeah, Lee's actually a little lucky.
No, Kenny has referred to mere stereotypes relating to race. If he was a genuine racist he would not date or go near an Indian girl or a woman he married that had foreign relations (Katjaa).
Larry on the other hand made it certainly feel more believable that he was racist. His treatment of Lee was disgusting and far worse than anyone else, even after 3 months when he definitely should have got over his childish resentment towards Lee without ever seeing the other side of the story
I don’t even think he was passive about it. He just referred to stereotypes. An actual racist person wouldn’t have an Indian girlfriend or marry someone who had foreign relations (Katjaa).
Again i disagree. There are a lot of ways to show someone is racist. Plus Lee believed he was and Clem can call Larry a racist in Season 4 so enough said. He is racist
Because Lee and Clem lie about it? It’s not a lie if they believe something is true and i agree with them. Larry in my eyes was a racist
This again?
Larry was crotchety, loudmouthed old asshole(albeit one who was in the military and took his wife's death pretty hard) who was [now] habitually mean to everyone but Clementine and at least directly Lily. Lee being an actual criminal who killed a state official and potentially has eyes on his daughter just gave him legit reasons to hold a special grudge for him in particular. That's the point of his character.
Also note that if you tell Mark you believe it's he's racist, Larry subtly reacts as if that wasn't the simple.
She does tell him “Dad, it’s just a kid!” so she did oppose killing Duck, although she wasn’t the most vocal about it.
He doesn’t advocate for killing an unbitten Duck. He truly believed Duck was bitten. If you stay silent the situation winds down by itself. Katjaa just finishes cleaning him, finds no bite, and Larry apologizes.
Larry had 3 months to accept Lee and at least hear his side of the story about what happened but he didn’t give Lee that opportunity by the sounds of it.
Lee and Clem think he was racist and it was mentioned in the game so we have to go by what it says like it or not
Uh, you do realize that Lee was keeping his past a secret anyway, right?
Besides, that has little to do with the matter anyway.
Keyword there being "think." Again, I'm not sure why Clementeen would think that and/or if it's also determinant or not, but that means little beyond their own fallible opinion.
He’d be disappointed honestly. Larry was a rough, condescending and obnoxious person, but not an evil person. He wouldn't condone Lilly abducting children to fight her wars, much less murdering them. Larry was proud of the daughter he raised because she was a successful, tough woman and she really was. Now she's not.
It wouldn't surprise me if we used her memory of Larry to our advantage to somehow redeem her if that does end up being an option. Kind of like the "family" dialogue option before Louis/Violet trucks her like a linemen.
I mean, she technically still is.
Just not in the way he or any good or better person would approve of.
Uhh you do realise that Larry already knew about Lee’s past so Lee wasn’t keeping it a secret from him, only the group. There is no reason why Lee couldn’t have tried telling Larry his side or even to Lilly and maybe just maybe Larry wouldn’t have been as a big a piece of shit as he was.
As for the racist thing, you can argue or moan all you want, whether they “thought” it or not, it was included in the game and hinted that he was racist so that is that and we have to accept that view
Except that telling Lily would be a considerable risk. And he clearly didn't anyway, but whatever.
Regardless, the baseline of Larry's character is to be a difficult person for Lee to deal with in the group and hanging the possibility of others knowing his past over his head is the most personal way to do that. And given what a hot-tempered, stubborn, and most importantly provocative asshole he generally is, I think it would've been more explicit if that was also part of the true intent.
No, we can CHOOSE to accept that interpretation if we really see it as necessary for the character to work. Many people simply don't.
Uh no because Larry already tells Lilly anyway, Lee could have talked to both of them to set things straight. Things could have been very different.
And once again, it really doesn’t matter, you can choose to defend that piece of shit racist but the writers clearly gave other characters a belief that he was a racist so that is what we should go by. Now end of convo. Jeez I don’t even know why i bother coming to this forum anymore. It’s dead compared to the way it used to be
I was talking about Lee himself there, but whatever.