Why did Violet act the way she did? *SPOILER*
Just to put all of the "theories" to rest:
As written by kmudle, aka Kent Mudle the director behind TFS:
I’ve actually seen some very thoughtful write ups that explain this well, but the gist here is, you need to imagine all this from Violet’s perspective.
When you meet Violet in 401 she’s very closed off and bitter. She opens up to Clementine since she sees something in her, which for Violet no doubt felt like a big risk. She hasn’t been truly close to anyone since Minnie, and probably spends more time thinking about leaving than she does being close with the other kids.
When Marlon dies and 402 happens, Violet through sheer force of “fuck it I’ll do it” becomes a leader and stresses the fuck out for weeks trying to keep everyone alive (because deep down she cares about them all) and if Clementine wasn’t around, she never would have had the strength to even try to fight back against the raiders.
Even if she doesn’t romance/friend date Clementine, she puts a lot of faith in her, faith she clearly didn’t have in Marlon. She risks it all on Clementine being someone worth believing in. (if you do go to the roof, you can see Violet has issues about being left behind by many people she’d cared for, they all leave, but Clementine came back)
Then she SEES Clementine save Louis instead of her. She’s cracked across the head and throw into a cage and taken on what must have been a terrifying ride through the dark woods. She’s brought aboard the ship like an animal, thrown in a different cage, threatened, scared. This is a teenage girl, recall.
And then MINNIE. Alive, and in her now vulnerable state, a face she loved telling her it will all be okay as long as NO ONE fights back. In extreme situations people cling to whatever comfort they know. Who hasn’t looked at your ex’s facebook page when you felt down? Or felt how easy it would be to fall back into their arms and forget all your problems? She became leader, trusted Clementine, and it all blew up in her face. A horrible mixture of shame, regret, fear, exhaustion, and a desire to just make it all go away lead Violet to cooperate.
Violet extended herself farther than she has in years to believe in Clementine, and in her experience it was all a huge mistake. She got that same speech Minnie gives Clementine in the woods, and in her compromised state, she believed it. Her attacking Clem is a desperate desire to stop anyone else from getting hurt. She’s at the beginning stages of the total brainwash we see Minnie suffering from. (especially in the captured Louis side when Minnie is screaming “we just lay down, fall in line, and we get to live! And if you don’t, people die! The people you LOVE, die!”)
I think her reaction is human, and I appreciate the players I see that understand that.
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For a second, I thought this was someone making another thread when this has already been answered.
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She has done that because she is a traitor. You can cover it by some doing sweet talks, talking about her childhood, about her personality and other stuff.
No matter what, the fact still is - Violet is a T R A I T O R.
...you may keep your opinion.
Sure. I just wish that some day I would understand why a solid number of Violetine fans say that turning back on someone, attacking them and generally joining the enemy, isn't betraying. Or it is betraying, but bla bla bla so it isn't really Violet being bad.
This whole case with her is even more funny to me when I remember all the Violetine fans that were saying all the shit on Louis about him playing with that walker pinata for literally one minute...
That meme is priceless. ?
Because, like, you turn your back on Violet when you pick Louis?
She sees you pick Louis over her when she had your back the whole time.
Also, none of the kids who got captured had a way of knowing if they would come back for them.
Her reaction is human. A reaction of a human who has proven to me they can't be trusted. How could I? Lets offer a hypothetical and say that, in the Save Louis vs Save Violet scenario, Louis stands closer to you so you save him. He is the closest, it's reflex, you save him. Violet gets taken. She would still flip her shit because you didn't save her. But muh abandonment issues ok, i hear you... But she couldn't wait for Clem TWO damn days?? Clem was at that school for what, weeks on end and it takes TWO days for Violet to abandon her faith in Clem.
"How easy it would be to fall back into their arms and forget all your problems," not that easy. It souldn't be TWO days easy to "back into the arms" of the enemy. This tells me that, at the smallest hurdle Violet will turn on me. She will bail at the smallest uncertainty or hardship and god knows there are a lot of those in human relationships.
It's not even about hating her, not really.
I just don't trust her. At all. And you can't have any type of relationship with someone if you don't.
Dude please stop with this argument about Clem turning back on her that night. I see you post this 3rd time already (if not more) and it really makes me sick. She had two friends to pick from and many reasons. She could for example pick Louis cause she thought that Violet would manage to handle herself better there.
Louis lost his fucking tongue which is one of the most cruel things that could happen to him and he is grateful when he sees Clem. I don't expect Violet to be happy since I know her bitchy personality, but betraying me? I risk my life in order to save her and she repays me by betraying me? No, fucking, way I will let this slide.
Yeah - the kids indeed couldn't know, but what does it change? Aasim and Omar acted normally. Violet would be mad? Sure, I get it, I really do. Anyway, she betrayed the group there.
Violet is traitor just like Marlon was. What a funny coincidence that Violet talked the biggest amount of shit about him and she ends up doing just the same.
Once a traitor - always a traitor. Goddamn right dude.
...you really seem to be incapable of realizing how other people perceive emotions.
Violet did a whoopsie. Big deal. She couldn't have possibly known that Louis would lose his fricking tongue in some alternative reality.
Louis is tortured physically. Violet obviously got "tortured" mentally.
So now I've read it. I appreciate having something like this to explain Violet's character.
One minor thing though--what if she was the one who attacked Lilith?
...Well damn. It's contagious.
Daily reminder that BIG DICK ENERGY LOUIS doesnt fall for any brain washing after his tongue gets cut out and still fights for his friends unlike LIL DICK ENERGY VIOLET
Louis Gang Rise up.
Ehh... emotions are a thing, sure. Each time I hear Violetine people talk about Violet they say that she is mature, strong and all the other shit. I can bare her saying some shit to me, but you really keep telling me that her BETRAYING me is a "whoopsie" or "not a big deal". It is actually a huge deal and you deep inside know that probably.
It's not about her knowing that Louis got harmed. It's about them both being in the same spot. Well not the same, Louis surely was in a worse one. And he showed values that friend/partner should show. Violet didn't. Not only she didn't, she BETRAYED you. It is something that can not be just forgotten or easily forgiven.
They all got tortured mentally. Louis got simply an additional physical torture.
All I'm saying is that Violet obviously has comitted a very serious thing. I am able to forgive her as I said before. She will have to redeem herself anyway. But pretending that this whole situation was not a big deal? Please dude. Just please...
Betrayal is always a big thing - no matter the reasons or circumstances.
Ah, shit. Here I come get buried.
I'm going down with my ship!
Look, I'm sorry man. I just don't look at things the way you do.
She didn't decide to intervene Clementine for bad reasons. Her actions haven't made her a bad person.
From her eyes, Clem was sending the rest of them out to possible death and she took action to stop her from doing so.
As I've said before, I can't fault her for that.
...let's just agree to disagree. We won't be always able to handle other people's opinions, but we sure as hell can respect them.
Besides, I can see where you're coming from, I just don't necessarily agree with it.
Preach brother!
Loyal mentally superior stable emotionally and pain resilient big dick Louis is way above that edgy weak minded selfish swine called Violet
I would hope it'd be little to nonexistent.
You know, unless being THAT progressive.
WTF is this thread lol.
You should really stop posting about how much of a traitor Violet is if you’re going to accuse people of posting the same thing over and over. Talk about being a hypocrite. All you’ve done since the episode came out is repeat yourself.
This was a great and thoughtful write-up, thanks for sharing it. I was so hurt and angered by Violet’s betrayal, and I still am, but now I understand her. I still think Violet is in the wrong, she did betray us, but everyone keeps comparing her to Bonnie or Arvo and it’s not the same at all.
Honestly though- her turn to the dark side happened wayyyyyy too fast, and I think that might be a bit on the writers. If it took her longer than 2 days I would be more understanding, or if she went through some kind of physical trauma like Louis does if you let him get taken. As it stands, I understand violet not actively helping Clem, but to me it doesn’t make sense that she would actively help Delta.
What else can I say about her? I saw her on screen for 10 minutes and in those 10 minutes she threatened me and attacked me. Nothing else to talk about her in my playthrough.
It's pretty clear that it's not your classic "betrayal".
Like Mudle said: she is at the beginning of her brainwash, like Minnie was at first.
She simply does not want to fight anymore, she thinks that if they fight more people will die, something Lilly / Minnie probably told her multiple times.
It's not like she's all: gimme a gun boys I'll blow Clem and Louis's brains out cuz i switched sides.
She wants to stop Clem from fighting and thus killing more of her friends
Due to Clementine "abandoned" violet at the end of episode 2 if you let her get captured she felt betrayed and trust is a hard thing for violet wanted Clementine to feel the same way about people she did
It's her fault that she got brainwashed. Aasim, Omar and especially Louis didn't. She gave up? Sure. Attacking Clementine when she wants to escape is a betrayal - no matter if you call it a classic one or not.
If she didn't weight 30kg and if she wasn't 1.28cm tall then she could probably do a lot more damage to her. But since she is then beating her down took Clem like how much time? 3-5 seconds? Oh boy, do I have a feeling or we have a new record?
Since you are gonna keep your point and keep calling it betrayal I guess there's no point in discussing it with you any further.
If even after the creative director of the season explained why she acted that way you still dismiss it then why bother commenting and arguing with people ?
I'll leave you to your things.
Dude, the only thing this guy said is WHY has she done what she has done. And what she has done is still a betrayal (if it's not a betrayal then I don't know what is this). She had her reasons? Cool. Is she a victim in this episode? Yeah, just like every single kid. Generaly, I don't want to be around people who will be persuaded to the different side so easily.
You don't find it a problem? You don't have to. But if I were you, I really would ask myself a question - "If it was an other kid who would pull off something like this especially Louis, would I still defend something like this?"
Yeah, I'd defend it, because I know why they would do it
Okay, I highly doubt that you and most of her defenders would, but let's say I believe you.
Do you also defend The Stranger who kidnapped Clementine in Season 1? I mean - he had his reasons didn't he? He also suffered from many bla bla bla, he also was in a difficult situation, he also felt that someone let him down.
That was more Clem's fault than the stranger to be honest.
The stranger took Clementine because he wanted to protect her from Lee after he heard what things he has done along the way. He also had some trauma from when his wife and daughter left him and they died.
What he did is fucked up and I'm not defending him but at least I know why he did it. It's the same with Vi really, I don't defend what she did I just explained why she did it, if you look at my comments you will find that I really don't care about these arguments and I try to stay out of it since it doesn't affect me.
Sure, I said at different topic that we should propably end this whole discussion.
I understand why she felt hurt/betrayed. I was just really hoping she'd switch back to our side after hearing the 'parable of the twins' but then she freakin' attacked me. Super disappointed.
Sorry, not sorry.
"We're all victims."
Didn't Clem said that in S3E1?
That's the reference.
She missed the misery. You people need to start listening to Halestorm more in order to get the joke.
Yeah, I just wasn't sure. Now I remember:
Javi: Hey, I'm the victim here.
Clem: We're all victims.
Yeah i think he makes a lot of good points,i understand the part where Violet is pissed at Clem i do,but i still think Violet attacking Clem was just..bad writing.
But that's just my opinion,i appreciate Kent for trying to justify what Violet's done.
Maybe there will be an opportunity to save Violet and convince her to be on our side again but i doubt it,i think she's going to end up fighting Clem with Minnie.
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