Lilly does kind of seem kind of pointless now
I understand why they brought her back because it would be more important to the player to have a character they already knew in that role instead of just some nameless new baddie.
But at the same time it does kind of seem pointless to bring back Lilly just to give players the opportunity to off her that quickly without her even having much screen time in the game.
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Seriously we only got 4 scenes with her. 4 scenes. What the fuck
She served her purpose. Lily was never this grandiose and important character of the series. She was someone that either that was left out on the road or stole your RV.
I don't mind her lack of screentime because she did a lot with the scenes she was given. I'm just glad her character got closure, it's one less unknown status that we have to speculate about for the rest of time.
And now she's either dead or soon to be dead. (possibly).
Stop making excuses,Lilly was the main antagonist of this season,they hyped her character for so long only for her to have 4 fucking scenes in the game,they completely wasted her character.
It's time for the fanboys to admit it,they fucked up.
No, it's more time for people to quit nitpicking every little fucking thing. This season was taken mid completion by new devs after TT went completely under. People pieced together scripts and did an amazing job giving us our episodes. This is more so the reason TT went under. Overly critical dramatization of nonsensical made up issues for the sake of bitching. But I guess just because we didn't sit around a camp fire with her roasting smores she was pointless now
. Who cares if she had only 4 scenes. A real villain can make it's precense felt without being hand held and the center of attention. And Lilly did just that.
Carver was literally only around for 1 episode at most, St. Johns were around for like 1. Two of the best villains in TT history.
This season made me hate the cunt more than I already did. It succeeded in building up her evil without taking away from other character development. I think they did a flawless job. Her evil authoritarian nature. they even managed to pick scenes from the nostalgic first season to remember her by. Their were a lot of mouths to feed and Lilly got plenty of screen time. She had the intro scene with abel in the woods, which was a huge chunk of episode 2 the scene where she comes to capture the kids, pretty much most of episode 2 was Lilly, the scene in the cells with the torturing of Louis and lastly the scene where you off her. The whole premise of episode 3, Those might just be 4 scenes. But name a character that had 4 scenes that were as memorable or important to the plot? She was the last 2 episodes. Their was plenty of lead up but Lilly got too much screen time if you ask me. I wish Tenn got some of that to explain his back story. I assume they will in EP 4.
Main antagonist is not "nitpicking"
It was a waste.
When you provide some substance as to why i'll concur. Until then Clementine was a waste. Between Abel and Lilly, we had plenty of substance in the villain department. We didn't need 300 scenes to get that point.
I'm grateful we got the last two episodes i even enjoyed the third episode i thought it was better than the second one,but Lilly as a villain just doesn't work.
I never asked for any redemption arc or to sit around a camp and smoke "smores" with her,i was fine with her being an antagonist and they couldn't even do that properly.
The plot of this game (The Delta) and Lilly are my only complaint and it's sad because this game pretty much got everything right except those two things.
Here's a video that explains what's wrong with Lilly maybe a video will help you understand better,who knows. (he talks about Lilly at 9:45)
And i talk more in details about Lilly here https://telltale.com/community/discussion/comment/3012484#Comment_3012484
But i'll just say it again,
i love Nicki Rapp and i think she did a really good job but Lilly as a villain in this season doesn't work,she doesn't feel like a real person,she also doesn't try to justify her actions,instead she gives us a sob story about Larry and act like an asshole.
Larry turned off the lights so now i'm EVIL!!!
She gets barely any screentime,you don't hype and bring back a character like Lilly and only give her 4 scenes,that's a complete joke.
her backstory with Clem is barely mentioned,we can't talk about Kenny the guy who killed her dad but we can mention Duck ? Give me a break.
I really think her character was wasted.
Watched the video, sounded like a lot of nitpicking but I respect your opinion. I mean, you can't do it all. If you catered to the whole "The other people are worst than us." scheme that Abel said in the basement (most likely out of fear of dying) than people would say "Lilly wasn't evil enough, she wasn't even bad" than she wouldn't even be an antagonist. She'd be an anti hero in a way.
I do think she should have touched more on the Kenny killing her dad thing, especially since Clem was there. It would have been an emotional ploy. But come on. everything can be better if we nitpick. I did she was an evil cunt. Which is the point of a Villain. I hated her guts. wanted her to die slow. So I think they did good. As a whole she did touch on Larry, she did touch on Lee and being left on the side of the RV. She did touch some points. But it was a point of reuniting them and dwelling on the past. she was clearly stuck in her ways and didn't care about anyone.
Just played episode 3!! This new character is only Lilly in name. The Lilly of season 1 would have never been ok with this type of insanity, much less participate in it. Even after she killed Carley.
Hopefully a DLC have a good lease back story will explain why she joined the Delta.
In Season 1 she was a bitch, she's still a bitch
She's not the main antagonist. She's one of several antagonists.
Uh she is the main antagonist of the game man,we're never gonna meet the Delta leader or see who they're fighting against,that entire storyline was a bait,they got us good.
How do you know we won’t see the leader in the next episode?
can you imagine a scene where Lilly was breaking down and Clem was listening to what she has been through,it would of added so much to the development and story,instead we get this piece of shit ep3 where Lilly is lucky if she manages a sentence.
There should of been someone above Lilly and she was taking orders yet wrestling with her emotions over Clem from years before resulting in a great EP4, Lilly coming to her senses has all been put out because the abysmal WRITING
Exactly only Lilly in name,i can imagine Larry would of been proud of her capturing Kids and cutting tongues out,this isn't her! this is a story of a writer or writers never having played S1 and coming up with this mess
Yep!
To be honest I think the whole season has been a bit of a disappointment, I mean selling a game when it's likely you couldn't complete it is practically fraud.
The writing is all over the place. You have James who admitted killing lots of people, slitting a kids throat for having a different opinion and thinks walkers are 'peaceful and innocent' being a judgemental git because after spending a couple of minutes in a barn, if you don't select the something more to them line then you are close minded, these are the same things which have killed nearly everybody she loved for the last eight years.
The you have the 'badass' admin assistant Lily from season 1, one of the most annoying and grating characters, she just doesn't make a convincing antagonist. The pacing jumps all over the place, we have the tedium of the 'party' and waiting for the singing/piano playing to finish so we can actually progress, same with Lily and her monologue, I'll play the final episode just to see the conclusion or I might just watch it played on YouTube TBH as I'm not expecting anything special or a satisfactory conclusion of Clementines story.
Huh. That's strange.
Could've sworn I visited this thread before, but little of this is ringing a bell.
Ah well, maybe it's just one of those threads I ended up avoiding/ignoring.
there seems to be the same messages all over the place at the moment of the games wasted potential.
So what else is new?
You have a new profile picture. Again.
That's new.
Holy shit why the fuck are people complaining about Lilly being a waste. She has had a ton of intense moments and memorable lines in the two episodes she's been in thus far, hell her inclusion was worth it simply for the parable of the twins monologue. Plus she's determinant so she gets a whole nother episode if you so desire it.
Heh. "New."
Ah well, soak it in for tomorrow, I guess.
At least they didn't make her the main character of the season like they did with Kenny
True.
But they probably could've either left her out or done her(and/or the plotting) better anyway.
Probs because she is so comically evil and has very little screen time with almost no depth to her character.
I mean she fucking goes "Kill it" when talking about killing James and shit, its such pathetically poor character writing. 'Omg guys shes so evil she calls James an it because she is so far detached omg
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Holy shit, are you serious?
Yup, during the end of episode 3 when Lilly gets a hold of Tenn and James she orders her people to "kill it" referring to James. Its so fucking dumb because its so fucking cringe, and also because it defeats the whole purpose of the "kidnap kids and make them fight for you" shes apparently all about.
How? We act like Season 1 Lilly was mother teresa, she was always an authoritarian cunt. She left children to die and stole the RV, murdered someone because they called her a little girl, little fragile bitch that she is. She's evil. This season only reestablishes what we all already knew about good ol Lillith. her sympathizers cant come to grips.
Because there's one episode left,it's pretty much over,we're not going to see the Real Delta Camp and their leader as much as i'd like to see that,there's no time for that anymore,
they just dropped that storyline and decided to focus on Lilly instead.
She's the most well-written villain in the series yet people are complaining.
lol,that's the biggest load of horseshit i've heard,she's one of the weakest antagonist in the entire series.
Weaker than Carver, who was in only two episodes and changed personalities in between them?
Weaker than Badger, basically some random goon who was in like 2 brief scenes total before you kill him?
Weaker than Joan, who was cartoonishly evil/stupid and almost universally loathed by the fanbase and can also escape any kind of justice/closure whatsoever?
Give me a break and just think about what you're saying lol. Lilly has a backstory that was known and shared by the players, an good descent into villainry arc, and she's determinant so her story isn't even done yet... this is better than pretty much every Walking Dead villain ever except the stranger who was exceptionally well done.
But she’ll probably die in the first 5 minutes of the episode, same with James. Determinant characters suck
She probably said that because James called her scared and weak.
Ring any bells?
No. No, she isn't.
Yeah, she's better than Badger, but that's no winning prize.
Would have liked to see more of her (still possible I guess), but she’s been perfectly fine as an antagonist.