I and many other people never asked for a redemption arc,i asked for a good and complex villain,Lilly is literally a fucking Disney villain now,she's so much evil it's completely pathetic,even Abel was a better antagonist than Lilly.
She’s ruthless, unforgiving, and dangerous but that doesn’t mean she’s a bad or uncomplex villain at all. When you either left Lily on the side of the road, or had her steal the RV, she was breaking down from her dads death and was completely unstable. It’s been 8 years since we saw her last in S1, we don’t know what the hell shes been through and what she has become is 100% possible and realistic for her character. Just because she doesn’t constantly doubt her morality or what she’s doing and treat Clem like her fucking long lost daughter doesn’t mean she’s a bad villain at all. The apocalypse has turned her into a monster, seeing how much she’s changed over 8 years of hell on earth is what makes her character interesting.
I still love her story about Larry it's so ridiculous MY DAD TURNED OFF THE LIGHTS SO NOW I'M BAD.
Well you completely missed the point. That’s not why she became who she is in TFS. Lily’s story about her father was simply used to explain her method of teaching by example.
Her backstory with Clem was barely mentioned and when we could talk to her about the past all of our options were so limited it fucking sucked ass,and she barely had any screentime.
It’s been fucking years since they met and why the hell would they chat about that kinda shit when Lily is trying to kidnap and brainwash kids from the boarding school. And it’s not like we saw Clem interacting and talking to Lily that much at all in S1 anyway. Clem talks to Lily about Lee in Suffer the Children and can determinately mention Larry in Broken Toys, I think that’s enough. I find it funny how many of the people who wanted Lily to have more screen time are the same type of people that complained about Kenny being too involved in S2 which led to the new characters not getting enough time to develop. The season wanted to have these new characters be developed nicely which needs time, I think Lily has had enough screen time so far and will most likely have more in Take Us Back.
Everything they've done with her could've been pulled off with another new original antagonist,so no i didn't want a redemption arc,i wanted a good antagonist for once,fuck off.
This is simply not true. By having Lily as the antagonist, It makes Clem’s rivalry to the antagonist more personal. The dialogue exchanged between Lily and Clem in Suffer the Children wouldn’t have been possible with a new character. She is a good antagonist so far and the season isn’t over yet so stop bitching.
I and many other people never asked for a redemption arc,i asked for a good and complex villain,Lilly is literally a fucking Disney villain … morenow,she's so much evil it's completely pathetic,even Abel was a better antagonist than Lilly.
I still love her story about Larry it's so ridiculous MY DAD TURNED OFF THE LIGHTS SO NOW I'M BAD.
Her backstory with Clem was barely mentioned and when we could talk to her about the past all of our options were so limited it fucking sucked ass,and she barely had any screentime.
Everything they've done with her could've been pulled off with another new original antagonist,so no i didn't want a redemption arc,i wanted a good antagonist for once,fuck off.
I honestly don't care,this dude was rude as fuck and insulted all the people who hated Lilly this season because "we wanted a redemption arc" for her and that's bullshit.
Personally i think she's by far the weakest antagonist in the entire series,her motivations just sucks ass she brainwash kids and force them to fight in a war.
Another thing that i hate about this plot Abel makes it seem that these people they're fighting are worse than him and that seemed interesting but they just drop that completely and the entire third act is focused on Lilly.
She doesn't even try to justify her actions she just goes on and gives us some generic villain monologue about how she's a bad person,and then just act like an asshole,that's not a good antagonist to me.
I and many other people never asked for a redemption arc,i asked for a good and complex villain,Lilly is literally a fucking Disney villain … morenow,she's so much evil it's completely pathetic,even Abel was a better antagonist than Lilly.
She’s ruthless, unforgiving, and dangerous but that doesn’t mean she’s a bad or uncomplex villain at all. When you either left Lily on the side of the road, or had her steal the RV, she was breaking down from her dads death and was completely unstable. It’s been 8 years since we saw her last in S1, we don’t know what the hell shes been through and what she has become is 100% possible and realistic for her character. Just because she doesn’t constantly doubt her morality or what she’s doing and treat Clem like her fucking long lost daughter doesn’t mean she’s a bad villain at all. The apocalypse has turned her into a monster, seeing how much she’s changed over 8 years of hell on earth is what makes her cha… [view original content]
I find it funny how many of the people who wanted Lily to have more screen time are the same type of people that complained about Kenny being too involved in S2 which led to the new characters not getting enough time to develop.
They probably are the same people who complained. Never ever satisfied. If Lilly had been on screen most of the time they would still moan saying “she’s hogging the limelight like Kenny”. These people are just never happy are they?
Lilly was however ruined in this game and i knew bringing her back would do that to her character
I and many other people never asked for a redemption arc,i asked for a good and complex villain,Lilly is literally a fucking Disney villain … morenow,she's so much evil it's completely pathetic,even Abel was a better antagonist than Lilly.
She’s ruthless, unforgiving, and dangerous but that doesn’t mean she’s a bad or uncomplex villain at all. When you either left Lily on the side of the road, or had her steal the RV, she was breaking down from her dads death and was completely unstable. It’s been 8 years since we saw her last in S1, we don’t know what the hell shes been through and what she has become is 100% possible and realistic for her character. Just because she doesn’t constantly doubt her morality or what she’s doing and treat Clem like her fucking long lost daughter doesn’t mean she’s a bad villain at all. The apocalypse has turned her into a monster, seeing how much she’s changed over 8 years of hell on earth is what makes her cha… [view original content]
I find it funny how many of the people who wanted Lily to have more screen time are the same type of people that complained about Kenny being too involved in S2 which led to the new characters not getting enough time to develop.
Probably because reworking Lily was actually supposed to actually bring the main plot and conflict of the season that was being built up sprinkler style.
Kenny was thrown into the middle of a myth arc he had nothing to do with, in a season that wasn't supposed to be about him, and just took over everything.
I and many other people never asked for a redemption arc,i asked for a good and complex villain,Lilly is literally a fucking Disney villain … morenow,she's so much evil it's completely pathetic,even Abel was a better antagonist than Lilly.
She’s ruthless, unforgiving, and dangerous but that doesn’t mean she’s a bad or uncomplex villain at all. When you either left Lily on the side of the road, or had her steal the RV, she was breaking down from her dads death and was completely unstable. It’s been 8 years since we saw her last in S1, we don’t know what the hell shes been through and what she has become is 100% possible and realistic for her character. Just because she doesn’t constantly doubt her morality or what she’s doing and treat Clem like her fucking long lost daughter doesn’t mean she’s a bad villain at all. The apocalypse has turned her into a monster, seeing how much she’s changed over 8 years of hell on earth is what makes her cha… [view original content]
God, enough with Kenny. He is not and never was an interesting character, just a guy who the first time you were against him hated you with all his soul. It happened with Lee in the attic of the S1, it happened with Jane in the S2 when even what Jane said had more sense (and I also dislike her for always being so extremist) and I'm sure it would have happened in ANF if he was still alive. Besides that he always spoiled everything. Thank God we will never see it again except in some other flashback.
God, enough with Kenny. He is not and never was an interesting character, just a guy who the first time you were against him hated you with … moreall his soul. It happened with Lee in the attic of the S1, it happened with Jane in the S2 when even what Jane said had more sense (and I also dislike her for always being so extremist) and I'm sure it would have happened in ANF if he was still alive. Besides that he always spoiled everything. Thank God we will never see it again except in some other flashback.
God, enough with Kenny. He is not and never was an interesting character, just a guy who the first time you were against him hated you with … moreall his soul. It happened with Lee in the attic of the S1, it happened with Jane in the S2 when even what Jane said had more sense (and I also dislike her for always being so extremist) and I'm sure it would have happened in ANF if he was still alive. Besides that he always spoiled everything. Thank God we will never see it again except in some other flashback.
I and many other people never asked for a redemption arc,i asked for a good and complex villain,Lilly is literally a fucking Disney villain … morenow,she's so much evil it's completely pathetic,even Abel was a better antagonist than Lilly.
She’s ruthless, unforgiving, and dangerous but that doesn’t mean she’s a bad or uncomplex villain at all. When you either left Lily on the side of the road, or had her steal the RV, she was breaking down from her dads death and was completely unstable. It’s been 8 years since we saw her last in S1, we don’t know what the hell shes been through and what she has become is 100% possible and realistic for her character. Just because she doesn’t constantly doubt her morality or what she’s doing and treat Clem like her fucking long lost daughter doesn’t mean she’s a bad villain at all. The apocalypse has turned her into a monster, seeing how much she’s changed over 8 years of hell on earth is what makes her cha… [view original content]
Just because it's satisfying to kill her does not make her a good antagonist,yeah i hated her fucking guts and i'm happy that she can die (i did not kill her in my main playthrough) but that doesn't make her a good antagonist at all.
She just comes off as comically evil,she doesn't justify her actions,instead she gives us generic villain monologues about how she's a bad person,she determinantly cut Louis's tongue because she's evil,she orders to kill a defenseless James because she's evil
and about that,that's also really stupid because her characher is all about that,she's kidnapping kids to make them fight in a war,she needs soldiers but she orders to kill James ?
She's as evil as Badger and that's not a good thing,pretty much all the villains we had in TWD games were evil,the exception being Norma in the Michonne's mini series,i wish they had an interesting antagonist for this season for once but no they went for the lazy route again good job.
Oh and like i've said many times literally everything they've done with her could've been pulled off with a new original character,Lilly's inclusion in this season is really bad,she just feels so out of place,like she's not supposed to be there and she comes back to just be a villain.
I've seen people saying that "no it wouldn't be the same bringing back Lilly was good because she has history with Clem !" but that "history" is barely mentioned in the game and we can barely talk about it,so again,i just don't see how Lilly is a good antagonist,
the only good thing about Lilly is her VA,Nicki Rapp was great as always but that's pretty much it.
Exactly on the last point.
Lily is a SATISFYING antagonist. It is SATISFYING to kill her.
And that's only because the grudge/relation… moreship/bond we've had with her is is as old as the series itself.
Killing some no-name antagonist in EP3 who was only introduced in EP2 would have meant nothing.
The dialogue between the two would have meant nothing.
The tensions would have meant nothing.
It is SATISFYING to kill her
Just because it's satisfying to kill her does not make her a good antagonist,yeah i hated her fucking g… moreuts and i'm happy that she can die (i did not kill her in my main playthrough) but that doesn't make her a good antagonist at all.
She just comes off as comically evil,she doesn't justify her actions,instead she gives us generic villain monologues about how she's a bad person,she determinantly cut Louis's tongue because she's evil,she orders to kill a defenseless James because she's evil
and about that,that's also really stupid because her characher is all about that,she's kidnapping kids to make them fight in a war,she needs soldiers but she orders to kill James ?
She's as evil as Badger and that's not a good thing,pretty much all the villains we had in TWD games were evil,the exception being Norma in the Michonne's mini series,i wish they had an interesting antagonist for this season for once but… [view original content]
She does justify her motives. She needs to conscripts kids into slave warfare because they're at war with other communities.
Sometimes I think you're not even paying attention to what's happening on screen.
She does justify her motives. She needs to conscripts kids into slave warfare because they're at war with other communities.
Sometimes I think you're not even paying attention to what's happening on screen.
That's my problem with that plot,Abel makes it seem like the community they're fighting are worse people than him
but when you see what Lilly is doing (cutting Louis's tongue for no reasons,brainwashing kids,ordering to kill a defenseless James) well sorry for not really believing that.
Her motivations are just not convincing she's kidnapping kids yeah but why ? What's in it for her ? What does she gain by doing all this ? Power at the Delta or something ?
I'm just not invested in that plot,and Lilly doesn't justify herself instead she just does evil things,because she's evil,it's dumb.
That's my problem with that plot,Abel makes it seem like the community they're fighting are worse people than him
but when you see what L… moreilly is doing (cutting Louis's tongue for no reasons,brainwashing kids,ordering to kill a defenseless James) well sorry for not really believing that.
Her motivations are just not convincing she's kidnapping kids yeah but why ? What's in it for her ? What does she gain by doing all this ? Power at the Delta or something ?
I'm just not invested in that plot,and Lilly doesn't justify herself instead she just does evil things,because she's evil,it's dumb.
Do you know anything about the lore of TWD?
The whole series is an endless loop of militia communities having constant wars with each ot… moreher.
I feel like you're just being facetious.
"wHy DOes Lily NEeD to kIDnap kidS?"
Because armies need people in it even if it means by force, and because being a child soldier is actually a real thing. What the fuck do you mean why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_in_the_military
Abel makes it seem like the community they're fighting is gonna be relevant.
but when you see what Lilly is doing (cutting Louis's tongue for no reasons,brainwashing kids,ordering to kill a defenseless James) well sorry for not really believing that.
Well no, the kidnapping and to an extent some brainwashing makes sense--it's literally every else that makes her portrayal in this so confused.
Also the Delta has been at war for like one year and i think that's a little too much but whatever.
Have they? I didn't realize they gave an exact timeframe.
That's my problem with that plot,Abel makes it seem like the community they're fighting are worse people than him
but when you see what L… moreilly is doing (cutting Louis's tongue for no reasons,brainwashing kids,ordering to kill a defenseless James) well sorry for not really believing that.
Her motivations are just not convincing she's kidnapping kids yeah but why ? What's in it for her ? What does she gain by doing all this ? Power at the Delta or something ?
I'm just not invested in that plot,and Lilly doesn't justify herself instead she just does evil things,because she's evil,it's dumb.
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She’s ruthless, unforgiving, and dangerous but that doesn’t mean she’s a bad or uncomplex villain at all. When you either left Lily on the side of the road, or had her steal the RV, she was breaking down from her dads death and was completely unstable. It’s been 8 years since we saw her last in S1, we don’t know what the hell shes been through and what she has become is 100% possible and realistic for her character. Just because she doesn’t constantly doubt her morality or what she’s doing and treat Clem like her fucking long lost daughter doesn’t mean she’s a bad villain at all. The apocalypse has turned her into a monster, seeing how much she’s changed over 8 years of hell on earth is what makes her character interesting.
Well you completely missed the point. That’s not why she became who she is in TFS. Lily’s story about her father was simply used to explain her method of teaching by example.
It’s been fucking years since they met and why the hell would they chat about that kinda shit when Lily is trying to kidnap and brainwash kids from the boarding school. And it’s not like we saw Clem interacting and talking to Lily that much at all in S1 anyway. Clem talks to Lily about Lee in Suffer the Children and can determinately mention Larry in Broken Toys, I think that’s enough. I find it funny how many of the people who wanted Lily to have more screen time are the same type of people that complained about Kenny being too involved in S2 which led to the new characters not getting enough time to develop. The season wanted to have these new characters be developed nicely which needs time, I think Lily has had enough screen time so far and will most likely have more in Take Us Back.
This is simply not true. By having Lily as the antagonist, It makes Clem’s rivalry to the antagonist more personal. The dialogue exchanged between Lily and Clem in Suffer the Children wouldn’t have been possible with a new character. She is a good antagonist so far and the season isn’t over yet so stop bitching.
Oh it’s not BS and you know it. I’ve seen people say that on here and Reddit multiple times.
She's not imo,and if you really think she is well then i don't know what to tell you man.
"Enough screentime" Lol 4 scenes in the game oh yeah she had "enough screentime"
I don't want to repeat myself so i'll just link you to this comment where i talk about Lilly more in details
https://telltale.com/community/discussion/comment/3012484#Comment_3012484
Personally i think she's by far the weakest antagonist in the entire series,her motivations just sucks ass she brainwash kids and force them to fight in a war.
Another thing that i hate about this plot Abel makes it seem that these people they're fighting are worse than him and that seemed interesting but they just drop that completely and the entire third act is focused on Lilly.
She doesn't even try to justify her actions she just goes on and gives us some generic villain monologue about how she's a bad person,and then just act like an asshole,that's not a good antagonist to me.
But let's just agree to disagree.
They probably are the same people who complained. Never ever satisfied. If Lilly had been on screen most of the time they would still moan saying “she’s hogging the limelight like Kenny”. These people are just never happy are they?
Lilly was however ruined in this game and i knew bringing her back would do that to her character
Probably because reworking Lily was actually supposed to actually bring the main plot and conflict of the season that was being built up sprinkler style.
Kenny was thrown into the middle of a myth arc he had nothing to do with, in a season that wasn't supposed to be about him, and just took over everything.
God, enough with Kenny. He is not and never was an interesting character, just a guy who the first time you were against him hated you with all his soul. It happened with Lee in the attic of the S1, it happened with Jane in the S2 when even what Jane said had more sense (and I also dislike her for always being so extremist) and I'm sure it would have happened in ANF if he was still alive. Besides that he always spoiled everything. Thank God we will never see it again except in some other flashback.
A-fucking men
If even that.
Exactly on the last point.
Lily is a SATISFYING antagonist. It is SATISFYING to kill her.
And that's only because the grudge/relationship/bond we've had with her is is as old as the series itself.
Killing some no-name antagonist in EP3 who was only introduced in EP2 would have meant nothing.
The dialogue between the two would have meant nothing.
The tensions would have meant nothing.
Just because it's satisfying to kill her does not make her a good antagonist,yeah i hated her fucking guts and i'm happy that she can die (i did not kill her in my main playthrough) but that doesn't make her a good antagonist at all.
She just comes off as comically evil,she doesn't justify her actions,instead she gives us generic villain monologues about how she's a bad person,she determinantly cut Louis's tongue because she's evil,she orders to kill a defenseless James because she's evil
and about that,that's also really stupid because her characher is all about that,she's kidnapping kids to make them fight in a war,she needs soldiers but she orders to kill James ?
She's as evil as Badger and that's not a good thing,pretty much all the villains we had in TWD games were evil,the exception being Norma in the Michonne's mini series,i wish they had an interesting antagonist for this season for once but no they went for the lazy route again good job.
Oh and like i've said many times literally everything they've done with her could've been pulled off with a new original character,Lilly's inclusion in this season is really bad,she just feels so out of place,like she's not supposed to be there and she comes back to just be a villain.
I've seen people saying that "no it wouldn't be the same bringing back Lilly was good because she has history with Clem !" but that "history" is barely mentioned in the game and we can barely talk about it,so again,i just don't see how Lilly is a good antagonist,
the only good thing about Lilly is her VA,Nicki Rapp was great as always but that's pretty much it.
She does justify her motives. She needs to conscripts kids into slave warfare because they're at war with other communities.
Sometimes I think you're not even paying attention to what's happening on screen.
sigh.
She said that. That's another reason it's dumb.
After seeing what Kenny devolved into I think it would've been best for Kenny to simply not return.
That's my problem with that plot,Abel makes it seem like the community they're fighting are worse people than him
but when you see what Lilly is doing (cutting Louis's tongue for no reasons,brainwashing kids,ordering to kill a defenseless James) well sorry for not really believing that.
Her motivations are just not convincing she's kidnapping kids yeah but why ? What's in it for her ? What does she gain by doing all this ? Power at the Delta or something ?
I'm just not invested in that plot,and Lilly doesn't justify herself instead she just does evil things,because she's evil,it's dumb.
Do you know anything about the lore of TWD?
The whole series is an endless loop of militia communities having constant wars with each other.
I feel like you're just being facetious.
"wHy DOes Lily NEeD to kIDnap kidS?"
Because armies need people in it even if it means by force, and because being a child soldier is actually a real thing. What the fuck do you mean why?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_in_the_military
Yes.
Also the Delta has been at war for like one year and i think that's a little too much but whatever.
Abel makes it seem like the community they're fighting is gonna be relevant.
Well no, the kidnapping and to an extent some brainwashing makes sense--it's literally every else that makes her portrayal in this so confused.
Have they? I didn't realize they gave an exact timeframe.